Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

i dunno i only mine arkonor

I don't quite understand your point but would say your 50 hours are off.

At the moment a can of veldspar is worth about 7 mill isk putting it above kernite in value per can. It's been a long time since I mined in a hulk with fleet/orca bonuses but when I did I'm pretty sure I was pullling at least 4 cans an hour.

Let's assume I'm wrong and it was 3 cans that's 21 mill an hour and your hulk is paid for in around 16 hours and if I'm right 4 cans an hour gives you 28 mill and the hulk is paid for in about 12 hours.

Either of those is no where near your over exaggerated 50 hours..

V.

What's with all the Covertor luv / Hulk hate..?

And really, WHY do people keep bringing this up? WHO CARES?!
Mostly, no one cares.

Go away.

I don't quite understand your point but would say your 50 hours are off.

At the moment a can of veldspar is worth about 7 mill isk putting it above kernite in value per can. It's been a long time since I mined in a hulk with fleet/orca bonuses but when I did I'm pretty sure I was pullling at least 4 cans an hour.

Let's assume I'm wrong and it was 3 cans that's 21 mill an hour and your hulk is paid for in around 16 hours and if I'm right 4 cans an hour gives you 28 mill and the hulk is paid for in about 12 hours.

Either of those is no where near your over exaggerated 50 hours..

V.

50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer.

lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass

listening to a guy whine about how a destroyer suicided his hulk is like listening to a guy complain about how it's the belt manufacturer's fault he crapped his own pants.

Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Actually a very good comparison.

lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass

Or mine aligned. Problems solved.

Have you not mined lately? Trit and other materials are now 2 to 3 times more expensive then they were a few months ago. Means you make about 15 mil to 30 mil an hour depending on your skills by just sitting their afk all day killing a rock that doesn't move. I think isk is getting too easy to make these days. Back in my day hulks cost 400 mill so I wouldn't be complaining about the cost to replace a hulk. But I would be happy to gank it for you. We take a loss too and its just for the kill mail. I can't wait for inferno when they get rid of the dang popup windows that warn you, that you are ganking somebody with no way to turn them off. Finally fixing that in inferno. I'd rather not fight the UI to play a game feature and mechanic.

Or mine aligned. Problems solved.

If we are going to use RL examples, I get kind of tired of the wife beater bullshit myself.

"It's your fault I beat you, you know that makes me mad"
"I do it because I love you so, so much"

Some how it's my fault I got ganked because I didn't tank my hulk when we all know you can't tank a Hulk and worse case scenario the ganker needs to bring 2 Catalysts to kill you.

If you meant active alignment, then consider that most miners will not even stop being afk nevermind constantly change flight directions around an asteroid.

which is why if i ever mined it would be in a covetor.

Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Let's see:

Assuming you mine 5mil/hour with a Hulk and that the Hulk costed you 260mil, it will take 52 hours to recuperate the ISK spent.

Assuming one only spends 2 hours on average per day, assuming you have a life, it will take 26 days or less than one month to complete the 52 hours of mining at 5mil/hr.

One month doesn't sound so bad.

Zero percent chance of aligning saving you if I am the one ganking. Just saying.

Passive alignment doesn't do anything except show your enemy where you want to warp off to. From 0 velocity you will warp in any direction at the same speed. If you meant active alignment, then consider that most miners will not even stop being afk nevermind constantly change flight directions around an asteroid.

c: Pet Peeeeve about passive alignment, too many FCs telling people to passive align to something makes you :c inside.

I would be gone before you finished coming out of warp.

I've been chased plenty of times by some determined gankers. You're no different. Except you look better.

Or mine aligned. Problems solved.

fit tanking mods to your hulk

Fit tornado, scan haulers at gate, target, shoot and make a few billions per hour instead. Stop being lazy, stop mining

For myself I'd estimate about 10 hours to mine the minerals to raise enough ISK to buy a new Hulk.


Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp.


This, I have yet to lose a Hulk to gankers.

Zero percent chance of aligning saving you if I am the one ganking. Just saying.

Thank you for the announcement. Now every ganker who read this will find you and put your claim to the test.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15468128

indeed how could a hulk be fit to tank over 4100 damage

clearly this is a game balance problem and not an ID 10 T problem

Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

It's ok I carry a spare hulk in my Orca anyway... I know I will lose one sooner or later.

Hulks are quite slow even when aligned, try warping out after the gankers land ontop of you in a belt, I bet they can lock you and press F1 before you enter warp.
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If aligned (which in EVE means moving towards something) you warp the instant (give about a second for server tick) you click "warp". So no, I will be in warp before they finish dropping out.

Not really a good comparision because the Hulk really is built for 0.0 mining which can pay it off much quicker. Where as the covetor is built more for high-sec/some low-sec mining and can't survive on its own in 0.0.

Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Clearly everyone who replies cares deeply, or they would not reply.

Try mining high end ore in your high end mining ship. What you're doing is basically like complaining about how long it takes to pay for a marauder doing level 1 missions.

Based on dodixie mineral prices you can make almost 20 mill an hour on mining pyroxeres (these numbers are a couple days old though)

Hulk is a little more then 300 mill atm

It takes a bit more then 15 hours of pyro to make a hulk back. OP fails

Oh and also these numbers are using T1 ships with exhummer 3, T2 strips with crystals and exhummer 4 or 5 does even better.

Based on dodixie mineral prices you can make almost 20 mill an hour on mining pyroxeres (these numbers are a couple days old though)

Hulk is a little more then 300 mill atm

It takes a bit more then 15 hours of pyro to make a hulk back. OP fails

Oh and also these numbers are using T1 ships with exhummer 3, T2 strips with crystals and exhummer 4 or 5 does even better.

Yeah, it takes actual effort and risk to pay for the stuff in EVE.

Miners are victims and everyone knows it. A mining ship makes you a victim the moment you undock with it. There is no other way to describe it. Why is there still a need to debate this? Hulkageddon would not be possible if it was not so.

Agreed. Even insta-lock frigates take time to lock because they have to finish warp as they land. It's about a 2-3 second window of opportunity for the miner to get away. Of course, this requires *gasp* attention *gasp again* on the part of the miner.

You can go afk ratting or mission running with a few ships. PI, research, production, trade and transport are also pretty risk free.

Miners are victims and everyone knows it. A mining ship makes you a victim the moment you undock with it. There is no other way to describe it. Why is there still a need to debate this? Hulkageddon would not be possible if it was not so.

Don't tell them, you'll turn Hulkmegeddon into Hard Mode: No Targets

Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.

That.s a lot of mining.

So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.

Question to miners:

Now that Botpocalypse happened, will it be more profitable to sell refined materials or sell ships built from them?

I ask this because as a part time farmer, the term "value added" comes to mind. For example, if I had a crop of pumpkins (did once, that's a lot of freaking pumpkins) they only sell for so much, but an average pumpkin pie has only 2 cups or 16 oz of "refined" pumpkin in it (boiled and mashed) but costs way more than the material values.

Will miners be more inclined to build stuff from the ores they mine to pull a profit and in that case, would a Hulk pay itself off faster?

My interest is not in mining or industry but in exploring the concept of value added and market factors.

(Austrian economics FTW)

Those prices are just ridiculous for a mining ship. and the covetor prices are out of line too.

Pyroxers are currently the best hisec belt roids

Spod is good now?


Man, times change

I say they aren't. What now?

What's the payback time on a mission Tengu compared to, say, a Drake?

Spodumain
3,349,065 (per jetcan)
(121.78) (isk/cubic meter)

Veldspar
5,112,592 (can)
(185.91) (cubic meter)

No, its not. The only thing its worth less than is Omber.

Impossibru!

As long as CCP thinks EVE Online needs ships designed for victims will there be targets.

Edit because it's my sign: Now if you ask me how much a faction/officer fitted Tengu can do around VFK or some other Alliances main system, I'd say by the number of wrecks in some systems: "waaaaaa tha hell"