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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:49:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Based on dodixie mineral prices you can make almost 20 mill an hour on mining pyroxeres (these numbers are a couple days old though)
Hulk is a little more then 300 mill atm
It takes a bit more then 15 hours of pyro to make a hulk back. OP fails
Oh and also these numbers are using T1 ships with exhummer 3, T2 strips with crystals and exhummer 4 or 5 does even better.
Lol, you're daft, and my math is spot on.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:10:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Based on dodixie mineral prices you can make almost 20 mill an hour on mining pyroxeres (these numbers are a couple days old though)
Hulk is a little more then 300 mill atm
It takes a bit more then 15 hours of pyro to make a hulk back. OP fails
Oh and also these numbers are using T1 ships with exhummer 3, T2 strips with crystals and exhummer 4 or 5 does even better.
Next time. Read the post - not just the title before posting. |
Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:15:00 -
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Those prices are just ridiculous for a mining ship. and the covetor prices are out of line too. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:13:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Yeah, it takes actual effort and risk to pay for the stuff in EVE.
You can go afk ratting or mission running with a few ships. PI, research, production, trade and transport are also pretty risk free.
Miners are victims and everyone knows it. A mining ship makes you a victim the moment you undock with it. There is no other way to describe it. Why is there still a need to debate this? Hulkageddon would not be possible if it was not so. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:21:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Miners are victims and everyone knows it. A mining ship makes you a victim the moment you undock with it. There is no other way to describe it. Why is there still a need to debate this? Hulkageddon would not be possible if it was not so.
Don't tell them, you'll turn Hulkmegeddon into Hard Mode: No Targets
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
600
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:25:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:
Agreed. Even insta-lock frigates take time to lock because they have to finish warp as they land. It's about a 2-3 second window of opportunity for the miner to get away. Of course, this requires *gasp* attention *gasp again* on the part of the miner.
When I was in 0.0 one of the most used "games" was to cloak => bump people. Some do it in hi sec too. Once you are off align you WILL die.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:25:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:Yeah, it takes actual effort and risk to pay for the stuff in EVE. You can go afk ratting or mission running with a few ships. PI, research, production, trade and transport are also pretty risk free. Miners are victims and everyone knows it. A mining ship makes you a victim the moment you undock with it. There is no other way to describe it. Why is there still a need to debate this? Hulkageddon would not be possible if it was not so.
open overview settings.
select load Default "PvP"
observe that mining barges and exhumers are now visible.
Clearly, they are PvP ships.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:32:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Don't tell them, you'll turn Hulkmegeddon into Hard Mode: No Targets
Impossibru! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:48:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.
Question to miners:
Now that Botpocalypse happened, will it be more profitable to sell refined materials or sell ships built from them?
I ask this because as a part time farmer, the term "value added" comes to mind. For example, if I had a crop of pumpkins (did once, that's a lot of freaking pumpkins) they only sell for so much, but an average pumpkin pie has only 2 cups or 16 oz of "refined" pumpkin in it (boiled and mashed) but costs way more than the material values.
Will miners be more inclined to build stuff from the ores they mine to pull a profit and in that case, would a Hulk pay itself off faster?
My interest is not in mining or industry but in exploring the concept of value added and market factors.
(Austrian economics FTW)
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
606
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:04:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. Question to miners: Now that Botpocalypse happened, will it be more profitable to sell refined materials or sell ships built from them? I ask this because as a part time farmer, the term "value added" comes to mind. For example, if I had a crop of pumpkins (did once, that's a lot of freaking pumpkins) they only sell for so much, but an average pumpkin pie has only 2 cups or 16 oz of "refined" pumpkin in it (boiled and mashed) but costs way more than the material values. Will miners be more inclined to build stuff from the ores they mine to pull a profit and in that case, would a Hulk pay itself off faster? My interest is not in mining or industry but in exploring the concept of value added and market factors. (Austrian economics FTW)
In EvE, ships are related to the insurance cost which in turn since a while it's related to an average of the minerals basket.
There's little added value in manufacturing products (like in most MMOs) and the whole stock sometimes is sold at a loss anyway. This is due to market fluctuations and other factors, including traders outbidding each other with stock bought when it was cheaper (or at a loss).
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3386
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:44:00 -
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Dr Silkworth wrote:Those prices are just ridiculous for a mining ship. and the covetor prices are out of line too.
I say they aren't. What now?
What's the payback time on a mission Tengu compared to, say, a Drake?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:41:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
Pyroxers are currently the best hisec belt roids
Prime Arkonor, Bistot, Crystalline Crokite or Spodumain, otherwise I'm not mining because it's a waste of time.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3387
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:48:00 -
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Spod is good now?
Man, times change
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
479
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:59:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Spod is good now?
Man, times change
Spodumain
3,349,065 (per jetcan)
(121.78) (isk/cubic meter)
Veldspar
5,112,592 (can)
(185.91) (cubic meter)
No, its not. The only thing its worth more than is Omber.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:12:00 -
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I don't support people switching out of their hulks, because the lesser ships are no fun to gank.
However this thread is so full of people with massive lack of readin comprehension it made my head hurt.
The 50 hours is not the time it would take to replace a hulk, it's the time needed for the isk investment in a hulk, relative to a covetor to pay off due to the extra yield. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1131
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dr Silkworth wrote:Those prices are just ridiculous for a mining ship. and the covetor prices are out of line too. I say they aren't. What now? What's the payback time on a mission Tengu compared to, say, a Drake?
I'm not understanding your point of view with this Drake/Tengu argument, specially if those announced changes are done drake will probably be closer to Tengu for lvl4's (closer doesn't mean alike we're ok on that)
50M BC on one side and 700M Cruiser on the other, t'il then I'm ok.
Now I can play about 2 to 3 hours 3 times a week so yes there's a little difference for me but I suppose you were talking about those Chinese farmers playing all day long?
*Chinese farmer* - I'm not insulting Chinese dudes, it's rather the idea associated with binocular smelly pale 23.5H/d nerd in front of it's screen.
Edit because it's my sign: Now if you ask me how much a faction/officer fitted Tengu can do around VFK or some other Alliances main system, I'd say by the number of wrecks in some systems: "waaaaaa tha hell" |
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:53:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Malcanis wrote:Spod is good now?
Man, times change Spodumain 3,349,065 (per jetcan) (121.78) (isk/cubic meter) Veldspar 5,112,592 (can) (185.91) (cubic meter) No, its not. The only thing its worth less than is Omber.
To say nothing of the severe decline in collectability now that there's an actual supply of the stuff! I wonder if the low value is some sort of conservationist plot to ensure we never again find ourselves singing, "where has all the Spodumain gone?"
That does somewhat point out what I think is one of the bigger problems with mining, in that it's only really worth bothering with the "ends" of the ore-spectrum, and in both cases there's not much incentive to do anything but pile as many mining lasers as you possibly can into any mining effort- for hisec because there's not really anything escort ships can do against any credible threat (unless you're talking war targets, but current mechanics promote "do something else" during a war rather than "beef up the escorts"), for nullsec because there's not really any credible threat you *need* escort ships to deal with and *won't* have a ton of advance warning for so everyone can go dock/safe up and maybe even swap for combat vessels (granted not all of nullsec is on big intel channels in locked-up systems but even then I don't hear of too many people putting together mining ops they intend to defend in-place).
The only place I'd really think a "real" fleet would be useful is lowsec because you're more likely to not see raiders until they're in local, and really... what is there in lowsec that's worth taking 25%-50% of your mining lasers and sitting them in combat ships these days, just so you can chase off pirates (and likely take a sec hit doing so)? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
428
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Posted - 2012.04.20 06:05:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Don't tell them, you'll turn Hulkmegeddon into Hard Mode: No Targets Impossibru!As long as CCP thinks EVE Online needs ships designed for victims will there be targets.
Mining supercapital time. I wanna get on that killmail(s).
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
428
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Posted - 2012.04.20 06:08:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Edit because it's my sign: Now if you ask me how much a faction/officer fitted Tengu can do around VFK or some other Alliances main system, I'd say by the number of wrecks in some systems: "waaaaaa tha hell"
Yep. Rat in VFK :)
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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