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Farrell Devin	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:07:00 - [1] So I was thinking and I wanted to get some feed-back. IÆm a pretty new player (just started last Thursday). I am looking for quick ways to make money which lead me to mining. Currently IÆm flying around on a Minmatar Burst and an Iteron. By my lunch break tomorrow IÆll be able to fly an Iteron Mark III. When IÆm playing I mine on my burst and when IÆm not able to micro-manage my character I setup my Iteron to mine and check when I can. Now an Iteron with a CU Vapor Particle Bore Stream I net ~ 1250 veldspar per cycle (60 sec) so if I check back every 20 min IÆll net ~ 25000 ore (assuming there is 25k in the asteroid) which sells at ~10 ISK each if I just find a buyer instead of putting it up on the market. So If I go afk for 20 min I make ~ 250k ISK. What I was thinking was after IÆm in my Retriever and can fly an Iteron Mark V I would start working towards a Erebus (the Gallente Titan) which I would keep in 1.0 sec space. The idea is that when I am home but not able to micro-manage my game I can fly it out to an asteroid belt aim each laser at a different asteroid (8 high bays and 8 possible locks) and go do whatever. If each asteroid averaged 20k ore before depleted and I checked every 30 minutes, IÆd average 320000 ore per hour. Then supposing each ore sold for 8 (much lower than the average) IÆd get 2.56mil ISK per hour while not actually playing the game. The ship has 65000 m^3 capacity when combined with the 7 low fitting slots and 3 rigs that equals out to ~590000 m^3 capacity and if each ore uses .13m^3 space that means that I would only have to dock every 14 hours which would net me ~35.84mil ISK. Basically is that a ******ed investment/idea?
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:19:00 - [2] Oh, I'll half bite. An Erebus will cost you 70 billion isk. I'll just leave it at that.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:21:00 - [3] Most Capital Ships can't enter hi sec space unfortunately so you would be unable to keep Erberus in hi sec. I would suggest however training for Hulk (that is Tech 2 mining barge and also both faster to train for and cheaper than Erberus) that can mine AFK - style around 17 000 m3 (with cargo expanders and rigs) in 15 minutes. That is considerably better than Erberus could do. Or if you need longer time intervals it can do as long as 30 minutes when mining ice before it's cargohold is full. So go for Hulk, m8 it will be better than Erberus for mining. In EVE ships are rather specialized and it's not too effective to use Siege weapon for mining.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:25:00 - [4] Nice, this is really good thinking by the OP. I would never have thought of it myself!
KingCappo Seigers of Doom	Posted - 2009.01.12 22:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Farrell Devin So I was thinking and I wanted to get some feed-back. IÆm a pretty new player (just started last Thursday). I am looking for quick ways to make money which lead me to mining. Currently IÆm flying around on a Minmatar Burst and an Iteron. By my lunch break tomorrow IÆll be able to fly an Iteron Mark III. When IÆm playing I mine on my burst and when IÆm not able to micro-manage my character I setup my Iteron to mine and check when I can. Now an Iteron with a CU Vapor Particle Bore Stream I net ~ 1250 veldspar per cycle (60 sec) so if I check back every 20 min IÆll net ~ 25000 ore (assuming there is 25k in the asteroid) which sells at ~10 ISK each if I just find a buyer instead of putting it up on the market. So If I go afk for 20 min I make ~ 250k ISK. What I was thinking was after IÆm in my Retriever and can fly an Iteron Mark V I would start working towards a Erebus (the Gallente Titan) which I would keep in 1.0 sec space. The idea is that when I am home but not able to micro-manage my game I can fly it out to an asteroid belt aim each laser at a different asteroid (8 high bays and 8 possible locks) and go do whatever. If each asteroid averaged 20k ore before depleted and I checked every 30 minutes, IÆd average 320000 ore per hour. Then supposing each ore sold for 8 (much lower than the average) IÆd get 2.56mil ISK per hour while not actually playing the game. The ship has 65000 m^3 capacity when combined with the 7 low fitting slots and 3 rigs that equals out to ~590000 m^3 capacity and if each ore uses .13m^3 space that means that I would only have to dock every 14 hours which would net me ~35.84mil ISK. Basically is that a ******ed investment/idea? Hi. The only problem that I see with your plan is that the Erebus only has 6 turret slots: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Erebus So you will only be able to have 6 mining lasers going at one time, not 8.
Tandin The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.12 22:50:00 - [6] Originally by: KingCappo The only problem that I see with your plan is that the Erebus only has 6 turret slots: No, the only problem is that there's a snowball's chance in Eve (they've all melted, twice) of getting an Erebus in highsec. Besides Chribba's Veldnaught gets a bit annoyed if it faces competition on that scale.
Lui Kai Logistics Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.12 22:50:00 - [7] Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Farrell Devin	Posted - 2009.01.12 22:54:00 - [8] Originally by: KingCappo Hi. The only problem that I see with your plan is that the Erebus only has 6 turret slots: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Erebus So you will only be able to have 6 mining lasers going at one time, not 8. Mining Lasers don't require Turret slots, those are required for weapons otherwise how would you explain Hulks mining when they have 0 Turret slots. All a mining Laser requires is a High energy slot and enough CPU and Power to run it. I didn't know about capital ships not being alowed in High Sec areas...why is that? as long as I havn't done anything that would upset the governing body what would it matter?
Lui Kai Logistics Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.12 23:23:00 - [9] Edited by: Lui Kai on 12/01/2009 23:24:10 Originally by: Farrell Devin Originally by: KingCappo Hi. The only problem that I see with your plan is that the Erebus only has 6 turret slots: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Erebus So you will only be able to have 6 mining lasers going at one time, not 8. Mining Lasers don't require Turret slots, those are required for weapons otherwise how would you explain Hulks mining when they have 0 Turret slots. All a mining Laser requires is a High energy slot and enough CPU and Power to run it. I didn't know about capital ships not being alowed in High Sec areas...why is that? as long as I havn't done anything that would upset the governing body what would it matter? I'm going to pretend this isn't a troll, and just a very, very mislead new guy. 1. Capital ships are not allowed into Highsec because of the chaos they could cause. Especially a Titan. 2. Supercapitals (Titans and Motherships) can only be built in Sovereign 0.0, with great effort and even greater expense, at the cost of billions in isk and months in time. 3. Barges are able to mine without turrets because they don't use mining lasers. They use strip miners. Normal mining lasers do require turrets. 4. You can not dock in a supercapital, ever. 5. Even ignoring all of the above - The obscene amount of cost and work involved in creating a Titan, using your earning figures, would take around 133,072 YEARS for you to break even on the cost. 6. Titans are combat ships. They're neither designed for, nor particularly good at mining. There are far, far, FAR less expensive ships that are better than your proposed scenario. A rigged and cargoexpanded hulk will pull in a good quantity of ore with minimal supervision. ----------------
ohhahh	Posted - 2009.01.12 23:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Farrell Devin Mining Lasers don't require Turret slots, those are required for weapons otherwise how would you explain Hulks mining when they have 0 Turret slots. All a mining Laser requires is a High energy slot and enough CPU and Power to run it. This is actually a good point. It explains why kestrels are the best mining frigates in the game.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Farrell Devin Originally by: KingCappo Hi. The only problem that I see with your plan is that the Erebus only has 6 turret slots: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Erebus So you will only be able to have 6 mining lasers going at one time, not 8. Mining Lasers don't require Turret slots, those are required for weapons otherwise how would you explain Hulks mining when they have 0 Turret slots. All a mining Laser requires is a High energy slot and enough CPU and Power to run it. I didn't know about capital ships not being alowed in High Sec areas...why is that? as long as I havn't done anything that would upset the governing body what would it matter? Mining barges and exhumers are special. Besides can they fit mining lasers? I know they can fit strip miners, but those are different beasts.
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.01.13 06:14:00 - [12] Sounds like a good plan to shoot for. Did you also use mining drones to help your yeild?
Acertits 1	Posted - 2009.01.13 10:41:00 - [13] LOL, this is a troll right? Have you thought about reading the various mining guides? Mining in an Erebus?! LMFAO!!!!
You Want	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Farrell Devin Originally by: KingCappo Hi. The only problem that I see with your plan is that the Erebus only has 6 turret slots: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Erebus So you will only be able to have 6 mining lasers going at one time, not 8. Mining Lasers don't require Turret slots, those are required for weapons otherwise how would you explain Hulks mining when they have 0 Turret slots. All a mining Laser requires is a High energy slot and enough CPU and Power to run it. I didn't know about capital ships not being alowed in High Sec areas...why is that? as long as I havn't done anything that would upset the governing body what would it matter? Mining lasers do require turret slots, and a hulk cant use mining lasers. CCP decided that rp had to give way to game mechanics, seeing as concord can not break a capital tank in a single spawn, said erebus could shut that system down. I'm sure there were other considerations as well, such as the health of the servers in a situation where a fleet fight would have an audience. As for a mining titan, it's not the most efficient way to mine, but somewhere out there, in the depths of 0.0 space, some drunk titan pilot has afk mined in one. If anyone has a screenshot of a titan mining, even if from FD- or something, i'd love to see it.
Iosue Brau Haus	Posted - 2009.01.13 14:46:00 - [15] if you want to mine in a capital, you should pursue a Rorqual, that way you also get the benefit of ore compression.
Rillian Black Lance	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Iosue if you want to mine in a capital, you should pursue a Rorqual, that way you also get the benefit of ore compression. Rorquals are also limited to low sec and 0.0 . perhaps an Orca might be more to your liking but if i recall they can not mount mining lasers so you have to afk mine with mining drones
padraig animal Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:38:00 - [17] Mining Titan
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:11:00 - [18] I had no idea this thread would be this entertaining when I clicked on it.
Amantus Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:15:00 - [19] Cute newbie :3 Anyway OP, I suggest training up for a Retriever or Covetor (don't bother with the Procurer; it's shite) and using that to mine. They're a damn sight cheaper, and much more effective, than a titan.
Uncle Dick Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 21:24:00 - [20] I would suggest you first go for a Moros, to start your mining. Being only 2 Billion your afk adventures should have you in one in no time. I also tossed together a mining fit for you to try out. [Moros, Mining Dread] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Capital Armor Repairer I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Stasis Webifier II Large Shield Extender II Miner II Miner II Miner II Small Tractor Beam I [empty rig slot] Drone Mining Augmentor II Drone Mining Augmentor II Mining Drone II x5 Please let me know when your ready to try this out i would love to see this in action. And with the improved yield from this setup that Titan is only a matter of a few afk years away :) CEO of Harbingers of Chaos INC.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.14 01:28:00 - [21] It was as if a thousand people /facepalmed...and suddenly nerfed...
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.01.14 02:28:00 - [22] Mining lasers require turret slots. Strip Miners as used by mining barges do not require turret slots, but they do require more CPU than any single ship in the game can support. The mining barges have a class bonus that reduces the CPU requirement of the Strip Miner module so it can actually be used. You could try mining in an Exequror - they have a bunch of high slots for mining lasers, a huge drone bay for your mining drones, and about 2k m3 for ore. This isn't AFK mining on the scale that can be achieved with an Industrial though.
Jerkat	Posted - 2009.01.14 03:42:00 - [23] I would go with a Nyx, they don't cost that much for someone starting out mining. [Nyx, Mining] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Capital Shield Booster I Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Cormack's Modified Large Plasma Smartbomb Drone Mining Augmentor II Drone Mining Augmentor II Drone Mining Augmentor I Harvester Mining Drone x25 With perfect skills it will mine 2576 units/minute.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.01.14 04:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Jerkat Harvester Mining Drone x25 With perfect skills it will mine 2576 units/minute. How many drones can a carrier actually fly? With the DCUs you can control 1 extra drone, right? Does the ship bonus let you fly 3 extra drones per level, or just fighters?
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.14 04:33:00 - [25] Edited by: Warrio on 14/01/2009 04:34:19 Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Jerkat Harvester Mining Drone x25 With perfect skills it will mine 2576 units/minute. How many drones can a carrier actually fly? With the DCUs you can control 1 extra drone, right? Does the ship bonus let you fly 3 extra drones per level, or just fighters? Both. Oh, and this thread is awesome. I'd like to see it made into a series. Remember to keep us informed of your progress in Eve Mr OP.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.01.14 10:08:00 - [26] Wow, this is wrong on so many levels it's not even funny. Even if it's a troll, I'll bite. 1. Mining lasers DO require a turret slot. Strip miners don't. Unfortunately, those require about 10000 CPU when fitted on anything but a mining barge. Not even a Titan can handle that. 2. Supercapitals, like the Titan, are denied access to high sec due to them being unable to use jumpgates. They have to use their jumpdrive in coupling with a cyno field, and all of high sec is cynojammed. So no go there. 3. Supercapitals requires ridiculus amounts of resources to be built, and can only be built in 0.0 where an alliance have claimed constellation sovereignty. Those things make prices of titans approach 100 billion isk. There's simply no way in hell you are going to be able to afford one. And if you are, you would know not to mine in it. 4. Mining in a TITAN WTF? 5. Titans require omgzomg skills. It's gonna take you a fair bit to do it. 6. Titans have NO bonuses for mining whatsoever. You're gonna end up with a LOL yield for insane amounts of money. And as someone said, it'll take you 133 years to even break even on the investment. I doubt you'll play that long. 7. Just get a cargoexpanded Hulk and mine ICE instead. That thing can go for 15-20 minutes without emptying the hold and you'll make a crapload of more money.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Ancy Denaries Wow, this is wrong on so many levels it's not even funny. Even if it's a troll, I'll bite. Some people are so desperate to show off their eminent internet spaceship knowledge they don't care how absurd the poast to which they are replying may be.

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