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Rob Mattacks
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Posted - 2004.07.26 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Rob Mattacks on 26/07/2004 15:03:26
Hi, I recently found more time to read again and reading these forums made me think to start to read a series of sci-fi books. I have seen the dune saga and ender's saga (orsen scott card ? sp?)mentioned and recomemended. Would it be better to read one saga before the other ? do you folks have a preference ? any other sci-fi saga's you think would be a better choice ?
I have not read many sci-fi books so i dont really know anything about the style of the author's or type of book etc so any advice would be appreciated. I kinda like dark material also 
Cheers
edit: i have just been bought the book Redemption Ark (Alastair Reynolds) and was wondering is this a standalone book or part of a series ?
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Rob Mattacks
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Posted - 2004.07.26 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Rob Mattacks on 26/07/2004 15:03:26
Hi, I recently found more time to read again and reading these forums made me think to start to read a series of sci-fi books. I have seen the dune saga and ender's saga (orsen scott card ? sp?)mentioned and recomemended. Would it be better to read one saga before the other ? do you folks have a preference ? any other sci-fi saga's you think would be a better choice ?
I have not read many sci-fi books so i dont really know anything about the style of the author's or type of book etc so any advice would be appreciated. I kinda like dark material also
Cheers
edit: i have just been bought the book Redemption Ark (Alastair Reynolds) and was wondering is this a standalone book or part of a series ?
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.07.26 15:03:00 -
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You can't go wrong with the Enders' saga, starting off with Enders Game - one hell of a classic.
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.07.26 15:03:00 -
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You can't go wrong with the Enders' saga, starting off with Enders Game - one hell of a classic.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.07.26 23:18:00 -
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DUNE! I live eat slepp and breathe Dune. I dream in Arrakavision, too. Nothing beats Paul-Muad'dib and Harkonnen killing goodness. BTW, Harry Potter is a vile Harkonnen! He is, look at his damned House sybol. He's a Harkonnen I tell you!
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.07.26 23:18:00 -
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DUNE! I live eat slepp and breathe Dune. I dream in Arrakavision, too. Nothing beats Paul-Muad'dib and Harkonnen killing goodness. BTW, Harry Potter is a vile Harkonnen! He is, look at his damned House sybol. He's a Harkonnen I tell you!
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Muad' Dib
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Posted - 2004.07.26 23:43:00 -
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Muad' Dib
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Posted - 2004.07.26 23:43:00 -
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Kennian
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Posted - 2004.07.27 00:02:00 -
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weeeeellll
the orignal dune is outstanding, but after that...it starts to go down hill, it's like the writer decided he didnt like the first book and changed history in the second. the books cover six thousand years of history, people appear and dissipear, major plot points evaporate.....realy unprofessional in my oppinion.
however, ender is extremely well written. very good stuff, i'd start with it..
also i'd reccomend Muteneer's moon <sp> series and Honor herrington by david weber, <i think> both very good scifi...
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Kennian
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Posted - 2004.07.27 00:02:00 -
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weeeeellll
the orignal dune is outstanding, but after that...it starts to go down hill, it's like the writer decided he didnt like the first book and changed history in the second. the books cover six thousand years of history, people appear and dissipear, major plot points evaporate.....realy unprofessional in my oppinion.
however, ender is extremely well written. very good stuff, i'd start with it..
also i'd reccomend Muteneer's moon <sp> series and Honor herrington by david weber, <i think> both very good scifi...
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.07.27 17:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Kennian
weeeeellll
the orignal dune is outstanding, but after that...it starts to go down hill, it's like the writer decided he didnt like the first book and changed history in the second. the books cover six thousand years of history, people appear and dissipear, major plot points evaporate.....realy unprofessional in my oppinion.
however, ender is extremely well written. very good stuff, i'd start with it..
also i'd reccomend Muteneer's moon <sp> series and Honor herrington by david weber, <i think> both very good scifi...
Thats because Frank Herbert did it intentionally. The history preceding Dune is written to make the Corrino's look good. The history touched upon in Dune Massiah and Children of Dune is mostly about Muad'Dib's Great Jihad. God Emporer was way to short, and it had NO history. Finally, you have Chapter House and Heritics. The history in there is all screwy because no one knows the truth anymore. The pint Herbert was making is ALL history is revisionist. No mater what, the victorious write it, and thier enemies twist it.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.07.27 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kennian
weeeeellll
the orignal dune is outstanding, but after that...it starts to go down hill, it's like the writer decided he didnt like the first book and changed history in the second. the books cover six thousand years of history, people appear and dissipear, major plot points evaporate.....realy unprofessional in my oppinion.
however, ender is extremely well written. very good stuff, i'd start with it..
also i'd reccomend Muteneer's moon <sp> series and Honor herrington by david weber, <i think> both very good scifi...
Thats because Frank Herbert did it intentionally. The history preceding Dune is written to make the Corrino's look good. The history touched upon in Dune Massiah and Children of Dune is mostly about Muad'Dib's Great Jihad. God Emporer was way to short, and it had NO history. Finally, you have Chapter House and Heritics. The history in there is all screwy because no one knows the truth anymore. The pint Herbert was making is ALL history is revisionist. No mater what, the victorious write it, and thier enemies twist it.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Rob Mattacks
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Posted - 2004.07.27 18:04:00 -
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Thanks for replies. Think i will read the ender saga first but will give both a go
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Rob Mattacks
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Posted - 2004.07.27 18:04:00 -
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Thanks for replies. Think i will read the ender saga first but will give both a go
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Anatolius
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:13:00 -
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Read both. In the case of the Dune Chronicles, a functional brain is required after the first book - far less action, more talk of politics, sociology, social engineering, topics that cannot be mentioned or they'd pretty much give spoilers, et cetera. 
Keep up through Dune Messiah, I'd say it's probably the weakest book of the series. It only gets better after that. Children of Dune is brilliant, God Emperor even moreso - though you'll either love or hate God Emperor. Heretics and Chapterhouse are where the series begins to wrap up nicely. More importantly, if you didn't like God Emperor for some crazy reason, they're nothing like it.
Unfortunately, Herbert kind of had an encounter with this guy wearing a fruity cape and carrying a scythe, so there are a few loose ends left over after Chapterhouse. With a bit of thought, however, you can guess fairly well where the end was leading.
Herbert's son and another author whose name I can't recall have been working on a series of prequels to the Dune Chronicles; do not read these first. I'm not normally one to scream my head off about sacred canon, but in my opinion, the prequels could easily destroy Frank Herbert's work for you if read first.
Originally by: Muad' Dib
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Bi-la kaifa.
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Having recently acquired a lab slot (thank you, rental bug), I wholeheartily concur, there's absolutely no problem with lab slots! |
Anatolius
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:13:00 -
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Read both. In the case of the Dune Chronicles, a functional brain is required after the first book - far less action, more talk of politics, sociology, social engineering, topics that cannot be mentioned or they'd pretty much give spoilers, et cetera.
Keep up through Dune Messiah, I'd say it's probably the weakest book of the series. It only gets better after that. Children of Dune is brilliant, God Emperor even moreso - though you'll either love or hate God Emperor. Heretics and Chapterhouse are where the series begins to wrap up nicely. More importantly, if you didn't like God Emperor for some crazy reason, they're nothing like it.
Unfortunately, Herbert kind of had an encounter with this guy wearing a fruity cape and carrying a scythe, so there are a few loose ends left over after Chapterhouse. With a bit of thought, however, you can guess fairly well where the end was leading.
Herbert's son and another author whose name I can't recall have been working on a series of prequels to the Dune Chronicles; do not read these first. I'm not normally one to scream my head off about sacred canon, but in my opinion, the prequels could easily destroy Frank Herbert's work for you if read first.
Originally by: Muad' Dib
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Bi-la kaifa.
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Having recently acquired a lab slot (thank you, rental bug), I wholeheartily concur, there's absolutely no problem with lab slots! |
Vidtorin
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:29:00 -
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Haven't read the Dune books, but the Ender's series is just amazing. READ IT!  <--- these new smilies are cute.
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Vidtorin
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:29:00 -
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Haven't read the Dune books, but the Ender's series is just amazing. READ IT! <--- these new smilies are cute.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.07.28 01:11:00 -
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I just read Enders game, what are the other books titles?
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.07.28 01:11:00 -
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I just read Enders game, what are the other books titles?
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Vidtorin
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Posted - 2004.07.28 11:36:00 -
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Wrangler, do you mean in the Ender's series? Then it's (in this order): Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind. I would also reccommend the story about Bean and the aftermath of the war with the books of: Ender's Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadowpuppets. All are great reads.
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Vidtorin
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Posted - 2004.07.28 11:36:00 -
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Wrangler, do you mean in the Ender's series? Then it's (in this order): Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind. I would also reccommend the story about Bean and the aftermath of the war with the books of: Ender's Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadowpuppets. All are great reads.
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Poldarn Joaq
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Posted - 2004.07.28 19:40:00 -
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I agree with Anatolius. The Dune books are superb but take a bit of thinking through. Also you often find a new slant on the storys every time you read them
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Poldarn Joaq
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Posted - 2004.07.28 19:40:00 -
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I agree with Anatolius. The Dune books are superb but take a bit of thinking through. Also you often find a new slant on the storys every time you read them
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Bele gorri
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Posted - 2004.07.28 20:35:00 -
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By far, very far, the Culture books
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Bele gorri
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Posted - 2004.07.28 20:35:00 -
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By far, very far, the Culture books
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.08.01 13:08:00 -
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I read all the Ender's Saga books, and I loved them all. Ender's Shadow was good too, and maybe it's just me, but I didn't enjoy Shadow of the Hegemon as much as I did the others. I've got Shadow Puppets sitting on the shelf waiting to be read eventually. |
Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.08.01 13:08:00 -
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I read all the Ender's Saga books, and I loved them all. Ender's Shadow was good too, and maybe it's just me, but I didn't enjoy Shadow of the Hegemon as much as I did the others. I've got Shadow Puppets sitting on the shelf waiting to be read eventually. |
Projected
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Posted - 2004.08.08 07:34:00 -
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I found Legacy of Heoroth also an good book to read
When you dream, there are no rules. People can fly. Anything can happen. |
Projected
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Posted - 2004.08.08 07:34:00 -
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I found Legacy of Heoroth also an good book to read
When you dream, there are no rules. People can fly. Anything can happen. |
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