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Polinus
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Helison
CCP Explorer (or any other Dev), could you please answer the question about what will happen with the Linux client? Or did I just miss the answer?
I would guess that you should wait on the results of MAC beta. Programming for a mac is very very close to programming for linux. If they make the engine work ok on mac OpenGl it will work ok for linux easily. Its just logical that they focus fist on MAc.
But When that is working OK should be easy to achieve a linux premium client. |
Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.16 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mikalya
Surprised no one has linked this.
For those of you that believe that high-tech sales are doing great and the industry isn't going to be affected by the economic downturns, I present this:
Bye Bye Circuit City
Maybe you missed the news this week that last trimester of 2008 was the best trimester in HISTORY of game industry with a bit over 28 BIL $ |
Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.16 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: zombu2
finally admitt your computers are crap and do something about it invest the 50 bucks
to all that bought those cheapo laptops ...you knew what you where buying and you always get what you pay for next time spend a couple hundred more on a laptop
My "cheapo" laptop was over $2000 and purchased because it was well in excess of the requirements for Eve.
As of March I will no longer be able to use it to play Eve, one of the main reasons I choose that specific machine.
Just because this change is not impacting on you is no reason to belittle those who go have genuine concerns.
If getting a new laptop is such a trivial thing, you are quite welcome to buy me one.
Well then you were not very smart on your choosing. If you had choosen a laptop to play eve you would have choosen one with SM3 already because of premium. You were not smart and now trying to blame others for it. |
Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.16 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mikalya
Originally by: Polinus
Maybe you missed the news this week that last trimester of 2008 was the best trimester in HISTORY of game industry with a bit over 28 BIL $
Maybe YOU missed the news that in the COMPUTER industry sales were down for both parts and new machines, except for laptops which were up 40% for Q3.
You know, those machines that multiple people on these boards are saying aren't supposed to play Eve 
You know, there is a reason why NVIDIA proffits is 80% + from the traditional standalone cards...not from Notebook ones...
how the machines used to WRITE EMAILS are sold means nothing on the GAME industry. |
Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.16 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: Polinus on 16/01/2009 22:51:22
Edited by: Polinus on 16/01/2009 22:45:19
Originally by: Mikalya
Originally by: Polinus
how the machines used to WRITE EMAILS are sold means nothing on the GAME industry.
Other than the FACT that those machines are what your potential customer base is buying, right now. And the highest selling portion of the industry.
Which is what we are trying to explain to all the "you don't run games on a laptop" crowd: Laptops are the current popular choice of the average computer user. The "geeks" already have their higher-end machines if they can afford them so the customers you are trying to draw in are the non-geeks. Which are <wait for it......>
Buying laptops and machines with integrated graphics cards.
If your game doesn't support their hardware, they will go somewhere else even if they are interested. "All other games require this hardware too" doesn't work, because there are a lot fewer games in the potential competition with Eve, and the grand daddy of them all (WoW) doesn't require higher-end cards.....
Is it worth it to exclude a sizable portion of your potential player-base, not to speak of current players that don't have the hardware, for a game where graphics is NOT the primary draw?
I don't think so. And I doubt CCP has really considered it when they make comments like 97% of all machines will be SM 3.0 capable by November when every other survey of hardware says no way....
Quite sure CCP numbers RE wrong but...
A lot of people are failing to grasp to the fact that the game industry cannot be halted by people WRONG decisions on game rigs.
The game industry is a competitive and evolving one. Their techniques demand certain hardware class. They simply cannot hope to continue to have success unless they evolve their graphics. Its simple FACT Very VERY few games can resist long without high quality graphics. UO is still gameplay superior to MOST MMOs around, but its nearly DEAD as a economic possibility of MMO, main reason? Graphics, pure and simple
Games must evolve. To evolve games must require better hardware. To support better hardware needs more work, work that eventually will be removed form the lower hardware options.
Its the very same as you complaining the government changed the simple road between city A and city B into a highway and now you cannot use your 1917 vehicle because it doe snot reach the menimum safety requirements to run on those. Its not fault of the rest of the world that you cannot choose a car for the specific purpose of going from city A to city B. And you really cannot expect the world to be halted of their improved experience just because of your decision!
Also the development of games needs investment, very few game houses can develop titles on their own resources. So few that I will call the names of most of them: Blizzard and ID....
Most development houses need investment, and just after the big publishers the MAJOR investors are HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS. NVIDIA, INTEL etc.. those are major players on that game. If you don 't please them, you get no cash.
Its the cruel reality of the capitalism, if you can' t cope with it, well The world choose to live in this system.
I repeat, your lack of understanding of what gaming is is no reason at all to prevent people with better understanding of enjoying the improvements the game industry can provide! |
Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.16 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mikalya
Originally by: Polinus
Stuff
And you are right in all those points, but that fails to take in account one minor detail: World-wide economic downturn.
If CCP was making the decision during good economic times, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Making this decision during this time is a poor business decision, especially when all economic indicators show serious potential issues for the entertainment areas; when times get hard non-essential expenses get cut.
It would be a lot wiser to let attrition run its course and kill off a good portion of those 2-3 year old machines by waiting until Winter 2010 to make this large of a change in hardware requirements.
Nope I am not forgetting that. But you seem to forget that CCP is part of the world economy and they are on one of the countries that suffered most with it. They might need to cut costs and focus on a way to make their economy survive?
Also the world crisis is on CREDIT offer. That has a large effect for companies, but should have near zero effect for SMART persons. because smart persons know to not depend on credit. People need to learn to not use credit to buy everything. The sooner they learn that the better they will get.
I live in a 3rd world country and earn a little bit over 150$ per week. I never EVEr had ANY debts, never EVER used a credit card to buy anything except online stuff that requires it. And even then I pay the credit card bill ASAP. You know why this crisis suddenly made "hard" for people to buy new stuff? because they fail at money handling.
People that need to use credit to buy a piece of computer hardware have MUCH more serious problems than playing eve. They should forget this stuff and go spend money on a home economy class and learn how to deal with their income.
With the very little I earn, very little compared to any US our european player, I have 2 computer, a house I fully own (and without any bills to pay for it, 100% mine) and a car. Then I can buy very easily a new graphic card. Simply by saving 12% of my month income for 1 month. Or if I split in the next 10 months only 1.2% of my income.
I know how to handle my income. The difficulty on buying stuff on the " economy crisis" its consumer fault. People that know how to handle and use money might be facing problems to buy a house or a car. But zero change they have problems to buy a new video card.
Again people cannot push their own mistakes and low capabilities guilt upon others.
Wonder why Brazilian banks and companies are among the few that have suffered nothing with crisis? Because in our crazy economic past they learned. Do not spend more than you have. The ones that learned that have on this economic crisis nothing more than a little inconvenience. So do not blame an immaterial concept on anything. The blamed people are the ones that exactly reach for credit to upgrade a gaming machine. And if you don 't do it, then you with 99% chance are not affected by it to buy the card, with the very exception of people that lost their jobs. But those should not be playing an MMO....
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Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.17 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Polinus
Well then you were not very smart on your choosing. If you had choosen a laptop to play eve you would have choosen one with SM3 already because of premium. You were not smart and now trying to blame others for it.
man your so stupid it hurts
Nope its the simple truth. If you choose a computer specifically to play a game you then select a computer that can play that game well. If you don't do it its YOUR fail.
I bought a machine to play even when premium was announced and specified as SM3. I wanted to play eve so I selected a SM3 capable machine. And as I already posted earlier I really doubt many eve players earn much less money than I do (or pay 80% import taxes as I do) so the "it was too expensive"card doe snot FIT!
If you bought a machine to do other stuff and then decide to play eve is a completely different thing. But HE said he choosen it specifically to play eve. SO he failed big time!
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Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.17 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 17/01/2009 13:26:56
Originally by: Sky Marshal
Originally by: Polinus
Nope its the simple truth. If you choose a computer specifically to play a game you then select a computer that can play that game well. If you don't do it its YOUR fail.
If he selected his computer to play at Classic, then he didn't fail.
Considering Premium hadn't even been thought of at the time, and SM3 didn't even exist, I find it hard to see how I could have choosen differently.
It was, at the time, much more powerful than most desktop PC's.
The guy is a troll, ignore him.
I remember when Premium was being talked about being worried, and then reassured when CCP stated they would continue to support Classic.
Now they have a tight deadline, and need to drop something to meet it.
If you bought your PC BEFORE premium was announced then i retract what I wrote. But that means your system is very old and needs an upgrade anyway. SM3 was released almost 5 years ago. Granted not on notebooks, so you can say around 3.5-4 years old notebook. It is old and at the SM3 change will be VERY old.
A game developer must keep a game usable for not HIGH end machines, but cannot have the luxury to get stuck with VERY old systems. Its evolution fault (maybe you should talk to a certain corp in your alliance about this:P)
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Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.17 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Polinus
Well then you were not very smart on your choosing. If you had choosen a laptop to play eve you would have choosen one with SM3 already because of premium. You were not smart and now trying to blame others for it.
man your so stupid it hurts
Nope its the simple truth. If you choose a computer specifically to play a game you then select a computer that can play that game well. If you don't do it its YOUR fail.
I bought a machine to play even when premium was announced and specified as SM3. I wanted to play eve so I selected a SM3 capable machine. And as I already posted earlier I really doubt many eve players earn much less money than I do (or pay 80% import taxes as I do) so the "it was too expensive"card doe snot FIT!
if you had botherd to actually read his posts before you started posting crap you would have noticed that he bought the pc before there ever was any premium graphics in eve
imagine that, some of us actually played this game quite a few years before they updated the graphics
So its time to change sorry but its reality then your machine IS too old to be a gamer. Face it. Some of us use our time to work hard save some money so we can have a GOOD pc to play games with GOOD graphics quality that we should expect from a high level company like CCP. I agree that the official warnign came TOO close to the date, but its far from unreasonable as the proposition itself goes, it should just have been warned like 3-4 months ago.
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Polinus
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State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.17 17:57:00 -
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I really think the DOCKED client with minimal requierments is such a BASIC and NEEDED idea that its impossible CCP never tought of it. They just very likely has some dumb concept that some impossible bad effect would happen if this was implemented (like their peak subscribers online number droped)
But CCP must face they NEED this and its NOT complicated stuff. At least a client for iphone and Android cell phones as well. Come on the first decade of this century is almost over and some companies are still thinking is 2001.
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