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zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:21:00 - [1] well to be honest i'm gonna loose a laptop or 2 to play eve BUT i m all for change and advancing technologie so i needed a reason to buy a x290 when it comes out anyways so this just took the burden of deciting off of me TVM
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:28:00 - [2] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 02:33:35 what you whining about??? tell me wth is the difference i get more fps with the premium then with the classic and why you guys incist on using aincent hardware that keeps the devs from further developing the game and also keep us from more shinyness .....for gods sake spend the 79 bucks on 8600 or 127$ on a 9600 from evga 280 euro WOW i do not know how you live with that i take my hat of my head for that
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:03:00 - [3] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 03:05:45 but also as you might know most laptops in the 400-800 $ range are not made for gaming (imho laptops in general are not designed for hardcore games ) and i can t blame ccp for moving on while also trying to save some money. as somebody before said economy is bad everywhere and even a company like ccp feels the sting. i think it is more then fair that they move on to something that saves them some money even while loosing some stubbern customers that want to hang on to their aincent hardware instead of upgrading some of their hardware also they re giving us a year head start on upgrading
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:31:00 - [4] you talking about intel extreme integrated chipsets i m sorry but if you bought that crap it is your own fault it is known everywhere that those chipsets are not worth the ink they used to print the serial onto it with most everyone knows laptops with integrated intel and ati chipsets are the lowest of the low end plus they got throtteled down so much to save a couple watts it s not even funny also most any game recently does not support integrated graphics why should ccp not follow maybe if all manufacturers and game devs start not supporting this watered down crap maybe we finally get somebody to invent a great chipset for laptops and desktops that use less power while getting more umpf out of it instead of hanging on to obsolete technologie that should have been gone 4 years ago anyways do you have any idea what the hardware developers have in their hidden stash just waiting to be realeased when they finally exploited the market enough and made a killing on stuff that should have been obsolete a long time ago well i guess not .....if you really think about it look at the last 30 years and see for yourself how fast computers evolved in the first 20 it is almost we have come to a complete stop sry i m just ranting to air some anger with the whole computer situation we all are in
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Anaxandros Aquilius Originally by: Koyama Ise Originally by: Anaxandros Aquilius Hello, I've got an Intel Pentium III with 863 MHz and 512MB RAM. Having run GPU-Z.0.3.1, here are my specs. As I understand things, I could still play EVE past March, but would have to discontinue in winter? I plan on getting a custom PC, but it won't be til 2010 or whenever this one breaksdown. Your CPU may be to slow and you may not have enough ram but your GPU would run it from what I understand. This is based off current premium specs so it's all speculation. Thanks. My PC could only support Classic play. Being a Dell PC I bought back in 2000, it was a problem tracking down a compatible graphics card for the last major update. So I've got til winter, plenty of time to decide, this assumes CCP drops SM2 - considering is in bold. this is what i am talking about how can anyone expect a software company to support 10 year old hardware when even the manufacturer dropped support for it years ago what are you all going to do when microsoft dropps support for xp . do you think you can rant and complain about it at microsoft and expect them to listem to a minority that hangs on to obsolete hardware for what ever reason ?? i don t think so guys wake up even 4 6 or 8 year old hardware is so obsolete most of it belongs to a museum this is not a car or a bike you can have for 10-20 years and still get parts for it
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:55:00 - [6] well everything changes games software cameras tv s lets just take the HDTV transition here in the good ol usa what you think how many people in the us still own standard analog tv s and are also declining buying the upgrade for it to be able to keep watching tv cable providers like comcast brighthouse time warner cable are gonna keep the analog side for a while till they need the bandwidth analog tv hogs or the fcc finally steps in and makes em change this example is the same like ccp's decision to dump ancient hardware support they kept the classic client for a while (analog tv) and will be changing to full premium graphics (HDTV and Digital) everyone not willing to buy the conversion upgrade gets left behind and in the case of eve even if they loose 10% of their customers i think they save more money not maintaining the classic client since they do not have to do the work twice it s a win win situation in my eyes
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:07:00 - [7] well spoken
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Mikalya Originally by: zombu2 even if they loose 10% of their customers i think they save more money not maintaining the classic client since they do not have to do the work twice Here is the whole issue though; with the changes they are making in the March expansion they are no longer maintaining 2 versions! A simple fork, like many other games already support, keeps the same assets functional for both low and high graphics machines. Why add it in March, then remove it in November? Those that can't afford to upgrade now aren't going to do it later either. Those machines in the public that don't support it aren't going to die and be replaced by then either because your average computer user is on a 4-6 year replacement cycle and ONLY upgrade when they have too. In hard economic times, wanting to play a game is not the same thing. And any company willing to kiss off 10% of their customers has my sympathy. Eve already has a bad enough reputation in the industry with percieved Dev indiscretions, massive lag, wierd rulesets, etc that it can't afford the perception that it won't support Grandma's computer when you spend the weekend there. I know of 15 accounts that close the day SM 3 is needed, including mine. It just isn't feasable for me to play on my desktop due to needs of family, hence my work-provided laptop can't play, I can't play. I hope if they do follow this path it doesn't bite them too hard, 25k (your 10%) subscriptions is a chunk of change to lose, over a year's worth of growth. well i do not belive that you can not use the family pc to play your game also you are not supposed to play on your company laptop anyways if you would have read the policy on it in most companys it is a terminable offence to install not authorised 3rd party software also i am tired of ppl threatening ccp to leave the game on every change they make also ccp does not have a bad rep in the game world (not more or less then other software game companys) wow has more cheating devs and they re still cheating we only had 1 problem with it another thing is how many ppl got themselves a new pc for chrismas for gaming with decent hardware and how many of them will find eve and sign up to also how many accounts does ccp loose everyday we do not have the facts to make any assumptions so we can only guess ccp probably already ran all the guesswork and statistics and still decited to go this route if they would not see profit in it they would not do it
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:57:00 - [9] sales of laptops are up so high because manufacturers sell their cheap crap at dumping prices and ppl fall for that then later they are wondering why the stuff don t work right and they can t play on it crap is crap any way you turn it and if i where ccp i would not care about the bestbuy cheapos like i said earlyer you get what you pay for and if you cheap out on your hardware you don t need to play the game
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:01:00 - [10] well it don t take much to see that manufacturers trying to get rid of their obsolete stuff and ppl buy it blind because its cheap

zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:17:00 - [11] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 05:18:55 every game has increased requirements from month to month and they all want ppl to play their game stuff gets old and obsolete and needs to be replaced nothing to do with logic it s a question how the whole economy is run increased system requirements = more high end system sales ... more high end systems = better games well sad to see players gone but if you think about leaving because you can not sit and play while watching tv sorry i got no symphathy for you
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:26:00 - [12] eve has survived many whining threats and it will survive this one and many others to come
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 06:06:00 - [13] hmm as far as i can tell hardware prices are falling well i m off to bed it s like 2 here o/
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:05:00 - [14] well this goes out to all of you whiners PLZ cancel your subscription and play something else if you think you can pressure a company into doing what you want by telling em you drop 2-5 accounts if they do not keep the old stuff PLZ MOVE ON and leave us alone your whining uses up valuable bandwidth we need for the game give us the ppl that actually upgrade their systems every 2-4 yeas a chance to enjoy the game even more with updated technologie and without having to wait even longer because they have to maintain 2 clients and codebase and again PLZ MOVE ALONG and do not stop advancement
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:16:00 - [15] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 15:16:18 heh fast forward huh you might wanna get your stuff straight sm3 is out since years many games only support sm3 what do you want? take you r 10 year old junk and play cs or doom and quit bothering us here
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:27:00 - [16] i don t know where your dual screen support is but i don t have a problem running 2 premium clients graphics on full blast and still get 83 fps per client and that on an old 7950
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:25:00 - [17] ccp might loose some players but i say let them go if their unwilling to a couple bucks for upgrades all unwilling to upgrade please go away and stop blocking eve's advancement to the greatest game ever finally admitt your computers are crap and do something about it invest the 50 bucks to all that bought those cheapo laptops ...you knew what you where buying and you always get what you pay for next time spend a couple hundred more on a laptop
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Pichonsita give me the money, because i dont ahve what about you get a job ???
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:42:00 - [19] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 16:42:59 Originally by: Casey Windstrom Okay, I understand that games have to move forward to 'keep up with the times', and I certainly understand that maintaining two totally seperate code bases and artwork bases can be an utter pain in the ass.... but CCP? PLEASE don't drop support for the shader 2.0 model in winter 2009, if you do drop the classic version. Some of Eve's charm is the fact that I do not have to make my computer burst into flame to run it. I love the fact that you support older hardware, and considered it one of your greatest assets for supporting your players, not just trying to run screaming forward like the rest of the industry that thinks graphics is the best thing ever, and plot and content is secondary to bling. Bling is not what makes EVE Online great. I might suggest putting an option into the client to let us report our graphics capabilities back to you, then you could get a good feeling for what your users are capable of, and what percentage you have using what, AND see perhaps what they're got themselves set to.. If a user can run premium, but still chooses to run classic, there's probably a damn good reason. (My roomates computer has a graphics card capable, but his disk IO sucks, so he runs classic.) Casey Windstrom i on t see the problem here are the specs fom the oldest pc i got and i run premium on it intel p4 2.2 1 gig ram 20 gig hdd running pio4 6200 nvidia agp 8x slot don t tell me anything about disk io since it has no problem running the premium with hdr on med i suggest your buddy cleans his pc from malware and other stuff that accumulated over the years or month of looking for xxx
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:50:00 - [20] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 16:53:08 Quote: why u want less ppl in the server? play urself in premium and leave the rest alone. why u defend ccp to allow have less ppl playing and screw us? less ppl = less lag in jita and it won t be less ppl anyways it is just as simple as upgrading video 40$ maybe if you have only 512 ram you can invest in a set of 2x512 easily avaiable at compusa for 9.95$ so total cost of upgrade 49.95 and everybody that can afford to play a subscription based game can afford 50 bucks

zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Pichonsita Originally by: zombu2 Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 16:53:08 Quote: why u want less ppl in the server? play urself in premium and leave the rest alone. why u defend ccp to allow have less ppl playing and screw us? less ppl = less lag in jita and it won t be less ppl anyways it is just as simple as upgrading video 40$ maybe if you have only 512 ram you can invest in a set of 2x512 easily avaiable at compusa for 9.95$ so total cost of upgrade 49.95 and everybody that can afford to play a subscription based game can afford 50 bucks what part that i cant pay that money u dont understand? not everyone has the finnancial flexibity as u do, im from a country when we got the dolar devaluated 3.5 times higher than the usual. less ppl less lag? ua re a damm selfish man u are not looking into the topic CCP puted in u are jsut and idiot that only cares about himself. if u gona play just fine? why u post here? i suggest you STFU and GTFO if all you can do is cussing and call ppl names at least i keep this conversation at a civilised level which obviously you can not
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Avon Originally by: zombu2 finally admitt your computers are crap and do something about it invest the 50 bucks to all that bought those cheapo laptops ...you knew what you where buying and you always get what you pay for next time spend a couple hundred more on a laptop My "cheapo" laptop was over $2000 and purchased because it was well in excess of the requirements for Eve. As of March I will no longer be able to use it to play Eve, one of the main reasons I choose that specific machine. Just because this change is not impacting on you is no reason to belittle those who go have genuine concerns. If getting a new laptop is such a trivial thing, you are quite welcome to buy me one. look m8 no pun intended but you know as good as i do that the life of a laptop is even shorter then desktop pc's in regard of playing games also you know as good as i do that the laptop you payed 2k for is older then 1.5 years maybe 2 and you can not say because you payed so much money back in the day that ccp has to support outdated technology be honest we will have the same conversation everytime ccp changes something on the client affecting either convienience or older hardware and we always will be here complaining and arguing back and forth
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:33:00 - [23] well this is something we probably can all argee to run a voluntary system check on the machines and see how it turnes out
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:09:00 - [24] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 22:12:54 Originally by: angulion Originally by: Polinus Originally by: Helison CCP Explorer (or any other Dev), could you please answer the question about what will happen with the Linux client? Or did I just miss the answer? I would guess that you should wait on the results of MAC beta. Programming for a mac is very very close to programming for linux. If they make the engine work ok on mac OpenGl it will work ok for linux easily. Its just logical that they focus fist on MAc. But When that is working OK should be easy to achieve a linux premium client. While your answer about Mac and Linux being similar is true, there is deeper problems at least on the Linux side of things. Wine currently runs the Premium client and my laptop supports SM3, unfortunately premium client is a no-no for me since the whole screen gets crazy flickering, even when Eve is in windowed mode, due to ATI drivers being rather horrible (using latest catalyst 8.12). To say I'm a bit worried about the changes is a fact. Personally I would love CCP to make a native OpenGL client, or at the very least ditch transgamings old thing which never worked for me, don't do premium, and instead have a dedicated developer working with the Wine community ensuring compatibility. For main topic though, dropping SM1 is ok, dropping SM2 seems a bit premature even at end of 2009 imo. i have to agree with him on the transgaming thing i do belive transgaming is a bunch of bandits and pirates work with the winehq to make wine support eve in the full extent instead of giving it to transgaming who are making money of open source code turning it into a subscription based thing then stating they only charge for forum access YOU WANNA GAIN MORE PLAYERS HELP WINEHQ TO MAKE IT WORK 100% UNDER LINUX AND YOU WILL GAIN THOUSANDS (btw transgaming is not really seen as a good example in the open source community) think about it ccp it would be a great projct and really would help out wine as for linux and ati you better off getting a nvidia card the ati drivers are buggy and crap also ati does not care .Nvidia on the other hand has ppl that constantly work on the linux side of the drivers constantly fixing bugs (also most linux users use nvidia anyways)
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:22:00 - [25] Edited by: zombu2 on 17/01/2009 04:24:21 Originally by: angulion Edited by: angulion on 17/01/2009 01:38:27 Originally by: zombu2 Originally by: angulion While your answer about Mac and Linux being similar is true, there is deeper problems at least on the Linux side of things. Wine currently runs the Premium client and my laptop supports SM3, unfortunately premium client is a no-no for me since the whole screen gets crazy flickering, even when Eve is in windowed mode, due to ATI drivers being rather horrible (using latest catalyst 8.12). To say I'm a bit worried about the changes is a fact. Personally I would love CCP to make a native OpenGL client, or at the very least ditch transgamings old thing which never worked for me, don't do premium, and instead have a dedicated developer working with the Wine community ensuring compatibility. For main topic though, dropping SM1 is ok, dropping SM2 seems a bit premature even at end of 2009 imo. i have to agree with him on the transgaming thing i do belive transgaming is a bunch of bandits and pirates work with the winehq to make wine support eve in the full extent instead of giving it to transgaming who are making money of open source code turning it into a subscription based thing then stating they only charge for forum access YOU WANNA GAIN MORE PLAYERS HELP WINEHQ TO MAKE IT WORK 100% UNDER LINUX AND YOU WILL GAIN THOUSANDS (btw transgaming is not really seen as a good example in the open source community) think about it ccp it would be a great projct and really would help out wine as for linux and ati you better off getting a nvidia card the ati drivers are buggy and crap also ati does not care .Nvidia on the other hand has ppl that constantly work on the linux side of the drivers constantly fixing bugs (also most linux users use nvidia anyways) heh another thing is the transgaming client is bugged as hell and my wine install actually runs premium and hdr it s ocasionally missing a texture or 2 but i can live with that instead of the constant hangs and crashes from transgaming My laptop having an ATI card - it is/was a high-end laptop that I got from work, so I couldn't choose between Ati/Nvidia. My desktop of course has a Nvidia, unfortunately it is out of order for the time being (no extra bucks to fix it). Transgaming isn't actually bandits per se anymore, they had to fork wine to their own version in March 2002 when Wine changed license to LGPL. Since this time though, Cedega (Transgamings fork of Wine, aka WineX) have constantly been developed at a slower pace than Wine and for quite some time Wine have outdone it in all areas and more. From this perspective CCP paying Transgaming isn't quite wise either - in a year or two Cedega will likely be hopelessly outdated and will not support 64bit, pulseaudio etc.. And I agree transgamings client is buggy.. With the official linux Eve client I could never get even to the login screen. Wine worked almost without any tweaking. And yes, from my relatively short Eve time, I am somewhat disappointed with their "Linux support".. to put it mildly. To everyone else, sorry this went a little bit off-topic. Edit: Since AMD acquired ATI, the drivers have acctually gotten better, they are just not good yet. ] well transgaming is still stolen from wine in my opinion and ccp should have never done anything with them in the first place if they would have asked the wine developers they would have helped them out for free (well i guess prolly expecting a lil donation ) but still way less then transgaming since wine devs are actually interested in making their stuff better instead of milking as much money out of it as they can with ***ty software ccp get your money back transgaming will never be able to fix it right give it to wine and see what they come up with in 3 month i garantee they will have a solution to the problem with premium graphics on nix system we have hdr working ..does transgaming????
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.17 09:29:00 - [26] Edited by: zombu2 on 17/01/2009 09:31:14 Originally by: Zakgram Premium client on a 1.5 year laptop gets 15FPS. This laptop has a GeForce 7900GTX card, RAID 0 dual 7200rpm drives, and an FX60 cpu, so isn't exactly a lightweight. To compare with the classic engine I'm getting >60FPS (I'm running with interval one so 60 is the monitor limit). And the laptop display is 1900x1400. Sure, I can drop the resolution to get more FPS out of premium but laptop displays don't scale back well and it seems a shame to have spent all that money to run a game in 1024x768. Oh - and the premium graphics are just as dull / exciting as the classic ones. I see little difference that I care about. I'd also second requests for an elite style graphics so that I can use my works laptop when needed - even modern business laptops have entirely useless graphics cards. i belive you are referring to the ORCA FX-260 well the specs are not as great anymore but should work well with premium amd fx-60 nVidia Go 7900 GTX Video Adapter with 512MB of DDR3 Video Memory the go version of the 7900 is badly watered down anyways your system will support sm3 and you should not have a problem with it Funny how ppl are allowed to sell computers while having no idea about Mb MHZ Mbit read and laugh
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.19 02:32:00 - [27] as formerly stated ati is not the hardware you want to run your games on right at this time since drivers for ati/amd are a mess and do not work right we had a lot of discussions on whats better but as for my opinion use nvidia (less problems better hardware) also ever tried to rma something with ati it s pure insanity what you have to do to get your stuff back after you send it in as for the hardware for a laptop any amd dual core or intel will do just make sure you ask the sales person what shader model it supports

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