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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 14/01/2009 15:45:13
Can someone explain this one for me?
I keep hearing people moaning about the lag in Motsu & surrounding systems, the ninja salvaging, etc. Is it simply the case that these people are just one step removed from the idiots who fall for "Raven dressed up as CNR" et al contract scams? (i.e. they can't think for themselves and just have to follow the herd blindly?)
Surely the more popular something is in the game the more diminished the rewards are? With so many people missioning in Motsu and the surrounding systems doesn't that ultimately mean that Caldari Navy LP value is in the toilet?
I can count on one hand the number of times someone has turned up in my mission to ninja-salvage (they're welcome to it frankly, but that's an aside), and those occasions have been when I have foolishly ran missions in the Motsu mission belt - everywhere else, never a problem.
I'm not being facetious - I fundamentally don't understand why people put themselves through it and I'd love it if someone explained the great mystery to me why 200+ people routinely run missions in Motsu with all the s**t that happens there, and for crappy value LP as well?
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Cors
It's A Trap
White Core
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:52:00 -
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Most new players play as caldari. So they start out doing caldari missions.
Most vets make caldari alts because they are the fastest to train up for cyno alts. This leads natually to an alt for hauling that's caldari(Becuase of jita). They then train it to run Caldari missions for isk.
Most people who want to run missions for isk, know that with LP, Loot drops, Salvage, they need to be near a market hub or risk having to haul it tens of jumps through highsec. And being lazy, most won't.
And several times you said for "Crappy value LP". How is one race's LP worth more then another... simple. Caldari items are in higher demand then other races. Hense they sell faster.
And for a mission runner, loot/salvage/LP reward turn over is important, then want to sell it the fastest.
And finally, they go to the agent that has the highest quality in Highsec they can find.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:53:00 -
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People are mindless lemmings.
That is the answer to a lot of things.. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:54:00 -
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Stupidity coagulates. |
MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:06:00 -
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Agent system is built in a way that efficently puts all people running high-end missions in the same areas, causing lag and frustration
This could quickly be solved by allowing agent missions from anywhere, but that would make sense and henceforth be competly insane |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:06:00 -
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…actually, the Caldari combat-corp LP store still has some value to it — it's just not in ye olde obvious CNR, CN Antimatter and CN Invuln Field.
Also, the thing about Motsu is that it's not just Motsu — it's the whole Motsu/Aramachi/Saila/Isenaros cluster. It's a whole slew of L4 agents within one or two jumps from each other, making it prime farming area since you can keep so many missions going at once. |
Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:11:00 -
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"The Motsu Phenomenon" sounds like a chemical brothers song |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Durzel
Edited by: Durzel on 14/01/2009 15:45:13
Can someone explain this one for me?
I keep hearing people moaning about the lag in Motsu & surrounding systems, the ninja salvaging, etc. Is it simply the case that these people are just one step removed from the idiots who fall for "Raven dressed up as CNR" et al contract scams? (i.e. they can't think for themselves and just have to follow the herd blindly?)
Surely the more popular something is in the game the more diminished the rewards are? With so many people missioning in Motsu and the surrounding systems doesn't that ultimately mean that Caldari Navy LP value is in the toilet?
I can count on one hand the number of times someone has turned up in my mission to ninja-salvage (they're welcome to it frankly, but that's an aside), and those occasions have been when I have foolishly ran missions in the Motsu mission belt - everywhere else, never a problem.
I'm not being facetious - I fundamentally don't understand why people put themselves through it and I'd love it if someone explained the great mystery to me why 200+ people routinely run missions in Motsu with all the s**t that happens there, and for crappy value LP as well?
Let me tell you a story.
A few days ago, a hapless miner in a war undocked in an orca with 1.2 bil in its cargo, one jump away from the home system of their enemies. It got popped.
A day or so later, he undocked in a 3x cargo rigged Itty V, got popped
Day later, went mining in a hulk. Got popped
2 days later, went mining again in another hulk, got popped.
Moral of this story: People are stupid. Yes, the conclusions you reached in the OP are correct. On top of it, Caldari missions go against Guristas, which give absolutely **** salvage (whereas, say, Sansha/blood/angel salvage is worth a crapton).
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
Terradyne Networks Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:32:00 -
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Call me crazy but I'm pretty sure they've re-arranged the triangle of doom and it's not even a triangle anymore. Plus I'm quite positive that they moved a few of the agents.
On that note, we don't go to Jita Motsu anymore
But for those who like taking 5 minutes to undock then be my guest. |
Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:50:00 -
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Most of them barely speak english, how they are supposed to know that there are other great systems?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cors
And several times you said for "Crappy value LP". How is one race's LP worth more then another... simple. Caldari items are in higher demand then other races. Hense they sell faster.
To add, most Caldari Navy items are good for a mission runner and not bad for a player doing PvP, while some other race LP store items are not so useful, especially for the PvE people, so they have a lesser market.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
On top of it, Caldari missions go against Guristas, which give absolutely **** salvage (whereas, say, Sansha/blood/angel salvage is worth a crapton).
…actually, my caldari agent hasn't sent me up against Guristas for ages (which annoys me since my fastest mission ship eats through Gurista missions, in particular, like Homer through a donut factory). Instead, it's been a metric crapton of merc and sansha missions. 
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Stikato
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:02:00 -
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Remove mission agent "quality." Problem solved.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:53:00 -
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Those who call the Motsu missionrunners stupid simply don't know all the facts.
It's like if you suck at maths, a complicated maths formula might look stupid for you aswell, but it's not the formulas fault, it's yours.
Unless it was changed recently, Motsu and the neighbour systems have a large ammount of caldari level 4 agents. This allows to pick only the best missions and stay withint the 4 hour free rejection time. Missionrunners know that there is a huge diffrence of profitability between level 4 missions. Not everyone has the state standing to cherry-pick missions by rejection more than one time within 4 hours. So it's a natural behaviour to do missions in a place that allows a selection of only the best missions.
Thats why people go to Motsu, to get more "world collides" and "gurista/angel extravaganzas".
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:57:00 -
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They need to move to a system where agent quality is dynamic and either based on total use or individual use of an agent the quality degrades over time. Agent that aren't use gain in quality. At least that way people would be forced to move around somewhat.
I am sure that would also give a boost to low sec in away as the agent quality would stay higher then high sec.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Stupidity coagulates.
Indeed. Though without the 80% lemmings running safe missions in empire to pay the bills and fund all the new shiney eve would still be 5000 people in frigates and cruisers pew pewing each other.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Anubis Assassin
Caldari
Orgasmotech
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Posted - 2009.01.15 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Stupidity coagulates.
Lmao
As for the agents though, I've never actually ran a mission for an agent in that Motsu area. I do missions elsewhere. I don't get many Guristas missions either, mostly drones, Sansha and Angels (seem to get AE quite a bit).
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Battleclash
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Posted - 2009.01.15 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Thats why people go to Motsu, to get more "world collides" and "gurista/angel extravaganzas".
9 out 10 ninja salvagers agree with this statement |
Phenomena X
Galactic PeaceMaking
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.15 01:40:00 -
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I'm the only Phenomena in this thread
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Assistant Beaker
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Posted - 2009.01.15 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Stikato
Remove mission agent "quality." Problem solved.
Yeah, less emphasis on agent quality at least, and more on faction standings, rather than agent/corp standings. That would make missioning more of a fluid arrangement as opposed to a "Here I am and here I stay" thing.
Heck, varying agent quality over time wouldn't be a bad thing. Not all the way from +20 to -20 purely because of overuse, but a 10-point swing wouldn't be so bad. |
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5yndr0m3
Caldari
Letiferi Praedones
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Posted - 2009.01.15 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
"The Motsu Phenomenon" sounds like an Armand Van Helden song
fixed.
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:08:00 -
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actually from what I have seen you can make decent money with caldari LP if you want to and the isk is fine, try shield boosters missile mods ammo maybe (note most of these CNR scam lemmings will just trade the LP in for the CNR so don't try turning your LP into isk via the CNR). Minmatar LP whent down the toilet pretty hard with the nano nerf, barely possible to make 1k isk per LP (3 of the 4 items I used to use are now not worth it). |
ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
"The Motsu Phenomenon" sounds like a chemical brothers song
I have to disagree. Sounds more drum n bass then the Chems.
oh and just a reminder, just a few more months till INVADERS MUST DIE! by The Prodigy :P .
Fat of the Land > all music before and after but i hope Invaders will be just as good. |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:24:00 -
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I ratted in high sec last night for 5 hrs straight.
No trit bars, no armor plates, no faction spawns.
Made about 1.5 mill.
I have no idea why people even bother. |
Shenko Minara
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:32:00 -
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yo are you the Durz that hangs out in #q2.uk w/ teardrop etc?
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99% of Eve-o posters should stop posting. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you. |
the Entity
testicular Fortitude
Sherwood Forest
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih
I ratted in high sec last night for 5 hrs straight.
No trit bars, no armor plates, no faction spawns.
Made about 1.5 mill.
I have no idea why people even bother.
im stupified at ur post, really
Originally by: Acama Asante
so clearly this thread is my punishment but what was my crime I wonder
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih
I ratted in high sec last night for 5 hrs straight.
No trit bars, no armor plates, no faction spawns.
Made about 1.5 mill.
I have no idea why people even bother.
Here's the biggest part of your problem.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
Terradyne Networks Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Fat of the Land
Good times that cd. It was the first one I used to break in my subs when they were new.
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Fyrewyre
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:28:00 -
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"Never let anyone stop you having fun"
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.01.16 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Karrade Krise
Originally by: Ocih
I ratted in high sec last night for 5 hrs straight.
No trit bars, no armor plates, no faction spawns.
Made about 1.5 mill.
I have no idea why people even bother.
Here's the biggest part of your problem.
Double fixed that for you.
Nobody RATS in high-sec (or even in low-sec).
Only 0.0 ratting/mining challenges the profitability of lvl3 and lvl4 missions.
On the other hand lvl4 missions doesn't even come close to challenging ratting/mining when we're talking about the good areas of 0.0.
That is unless we're talking lvl4 multi-billion officerloot loadouts (and then it's riskier to run missions in high-sec than to 0.0 rat thanks to suiciders being drawn to you like flies to honey).
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