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David Grogan Gallente The Motley Crew	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:46:00 - [1] Hi i think ccp needs to keep classic for all of us players with multiple accounts. i have active 4 accounts 2 accounts are run from my vista x64 amd x2 6000+ dual core 3.0ghz with 4gb ram geforces 8300 hybrid sli to 8500gt with 1gb vram gaming pc (yer i am saving for a new 9800 series gcard)(these are both miners and pve acs) 1 account is run from my newer but still oldish toshiba intel dual core 1.8ghz with 2gb ram laptop 128mb ati radeon (this is used by my hauler ac) 1 account is run from my ancient dell inspiron laptop p4 1.8ghz with 1gb ram 32mb geforce 2 (this ac is mainly used to mine in a barge) it looks like ill be forced to buy a new laptop to replace the old one if u pull classic.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:47:00 - [2] I DEMAND THAT CCP KEEP THROWING MONEY AND RESOURCES TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING MY OCCASIONAL EVE GAMING FROM MY TRAVEL-ABACUS.
Battleclash	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:49:00 - [3] I gotta stop signing things for a while, I'm having trouble getting the ink off my monitor.
mentalmonkey Gallente Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:49:00 - [4] My laptop which I spend 90% of my EVE time on can't run premium, if CCP pulls classic, I will most likely quit, or have to buy a new desktop and just play a lot less. Either way I will no longer have any reason to keep my alt, that will go.
The Tzar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:52:00 - [5] Yup same here, love the game but im not upgrading my computer for it. I will definately quit if classic gets pulled, my stuff has already been spoken for
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:53:00 - [6] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 14/01/2009 16:54:54 Originally by: mentalmonkey My laptop which I spend 90% of my EVE time on can't run premium, if CCP pulls classic, I will most likely quit, or have to buy a new desktop and just play a lot less. Either way I will no longer have any reason to keep my alt, that will go. Or you could actually read the devblog and find out what they are changing. edit: okay, that apparently goes for everyone in this thread. Go read the devblog then ***** about the killing of classic.
permion	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:56:00 - [7] I'd much rather sign for a web client that lets me change skills.
Lt Angus Caldari End Game.	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:05:00 - [8] I can run both but much prefer classic dont take away my green astarte
Dickens Cider	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:18:00 - [9] I'm going back to TradeWars 2002 if this happens ASCII games = no lag
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:20:00 - [10] upgrade you cheap bastages. Please, jump into traffic
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:22:00 - [11] Have a top notch computer, clean windows install with updated drivers and 4GB memory, if I run my 4 accounts in Premium they crash at times so I run in classic. They can remove classic once premium works properly.
W3370Pi4 Caldari Lords Of Kaos	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:23:00 - [12] by the end of 2009 they wont need to keep the classic version as most up to date computers will be able to run 3 instance of eve premium without a problem _______ Join the "Legit Trading" Channel ★Monitored WTB★WTA★WTT★WTS★Contracts★Trade ADs★★ Scams free channel★
Commander Criton Gallente Surrender The Booty	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:28:00 - [13] Quote: Out with Classic, in with Premium Lite Currently we have two content packs, Classic and Premium. Classic has the low barrier of entry, and Premium requires modern ShaderModel 3.0 hardware. To accommodate older PCs and those who prefer to run twenty clients of EVE while they run SETI@Home and ray trace while compressing HD movies, we will deliver what we refer to as "Premium Lite." Premium Lite will only require ShaderModel 2.0 hardware, and far less texture memory than the current Premium, ensuring good framerates on older hardware. We won't stop there - we are providing two flavors of ShaderModel 2.0 compatible shaders, currently named "lo" and "hi". What does this mean? It means that framerate enthusiasts can get even more performance when running under ShaderModel 2.0. We will also allow people to select any ShaderModel below what their hardware supports - thus allowing players to trade quality for performance and vice versa. Due to instruction limits within each ShaderModel we will have to use different techniques to render the ships but the goal is the same in every scenario: beautiful. Now, this does sound like extra work for us and in a way it is - however, what we gain is: 1. We can use the same assets as Premium. Admittedly people will most likely choose to run with textures that have lower resolution as well, but these will simply be downsampled (lower resolution mipmaps) from the existing Premium textures. Some textures will also be skipped entirely like, for instance, normal maps. This means less content for us to maintain as we get rid of all the classic content. 2. We can use the same rendering pipeline - the only fork in the road is the different ShaderModels. This means less code for us to maintain once we sunset the classic rendering path. To summarize: older hardware will use the same assets as Premium - they just won't look as detailed and shiny. I dont see any problems with the changes its not going to add any new requirements or load to your current system and in fact it will perform better and look better according to CCP if it works as they say, but yeah no need to cry the world is coming to an end.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:28:00 - [14] Originally by: **ens Cider I'm going back to TradeWars 2002 if this happens ASCII games = no lag ***. Real men graduated to Barren Realms Elite! :P -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Kilostream Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:29:00 - [15] I've got two PC's - both can run premium but only one does - I keep classic on the other one because I like a lot of the old models better - the pink Gallente t2 stuff, all the t2 models with twizzly bits and so on. It won't be the end of my world if classic goes, but I appreciate having the choice right now because while the crispness of the gfx on the Premium client is awesome, a lot of the ships still don't look anywhere near as good.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:40:00 - [16] All the people who think premium lite will need a premium level computer need to read the dev blog. I would be very suprised if there was a huge amount of people who don't have sm2 support on thier laptop and for pc users you can pick up a brand new sm4 dx10 card that will run the full blown premium client for less than $25 sometimes alot less. So check your laptop stats before you start panicking.
Taylor timenenzi	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:06:00 - [17] My computer is about 6 years old. In that time Ive made two upgrades. I added 2 gigs of ram that cost about 80 dollars. The other was a new video card last year and that cost about 120 dollars and I run the premium client no problems at all. If you havent been able to scrounge up 200 bucks in how ever many years I think you need to find a new job. If your problem is that its a labtop thing. Well they go out of date every couple of years and thats your problem not CCP's. Sorry but its the way of the world. Keep up with the times or fall behind and die.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Taylor timenenzi Sorry but its the way of the world. Keep up with the times or fall behind and die. Christ, if dying's the alternative, I better upgrade my PC. It's a hard world indeed. The Ghost-training vote thread
Ron Bacardi SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:10:00 - [19] I run two Eve accounts, Premium graphics on both, either windowed or full screen with absolutely no problems at a solid 75 FPS. My laptop is three years old and supports SM3. F*ck classic.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:13:00 - [20] Originally by: David Grogan i have active 4 accounts If you can afford 4 accounts you can afford a new sm3 laptop for 300-400 bucks. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:28:00 - [21] Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that premium actually runs better than classic for the most part?
Arestan	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Ron Bacardi F*ck classic. Because obviously having your GPU run at 100% while spinning the ships while docked is the correct way to use your PC and electricity. Running 2 clients with Classic graphics taxes the GPU for 30-40% if even that, Premium takes it up to 100% and offers no real benefits except some fancy effects and a lot of heat coming from the back of your PC.
Sleepkevert Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.14 18:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Sleepkevert on 14/01/2009 19:07:30 Edited by: Sleepkevert on 14/01/2009 18:59:57 Srsly, CCP should just rename premium light back to classic to stop people from thinking the requirements are the same as premium has now... WAKE UP PEOPLE, THE NEW CLIENT WILL PROBABLY RUN JUST AS WELL ON YOUR CRAPPY COMPUTER If it has pixel shader 2 that is: nvidia GeForce FX series and up ATI Radeon R300 (9500-9800, X300-X600) and up Intel GMA 900, 950, 3000, 3100 and up Source If you have a crappier videocard then listed here, you'r **ed (and you have a pc thats well over 6 years old, and in dire need of an upgrade). If you have anything better, not to worry, "classic" will return with less bugs then ever since CCP will only have to fix bugs in ONE render engine instead of 2... Originally by:** Highwind Cid Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that premium actually runs better than classic for the most part? Yes, premium actually uses your GPU to render stuff while classic is still heavily dependant on the CPU. So, think premium engine with lots of shiny effects removed. It only gets better because it's like classic is now, lightweight, but actually using the GPU for calculations as well.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Sleepkevert Edited by: Sleepkevert on 14/01/2009 18:59:57 Srsly, CCP should just rename premium light back to classic to stop people from thinking the requirements are the same as premium has now... WAKE UP PEOPLE, THE NEW CLIENT WILL PROBABLY RUN JUST AS WELL ON YOUR CRAPPY COMPUTER If it has pixel shader 2 that is: One of us is misinformed. Perhaps it is me as I might not have read the dev blog correctly. As I understood it, they would like to do away with SM1 and SM2 support by the end of 2009. That means SM3 would be necessary (which is supported by a GF 6600).
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Qordel One of us is misinformed. Perhaps it is me as I might not have read the dev blog correctly. As I understood it, they would like to do away with SM1 and SM2 support by the end of 2009. That means SM3 would be necessary (which is supported by a GF 6600). I would imagine that if a sufficiently sized threadnaught with enough unique(not 12 alts backing up the op with an old radioshack laptop) annoyed sm2 users appeared and not the few random posts we have seen so far that ccp would postpone the jump to only sm3. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Sleepkevert Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:16:00 - [26] Edited by: Sleepkevert on 14/01/2009 19:16:18 Originally by: Qordel One of us is misinformed. Perhaps it is me as I might not have read the dev blog correctly. As I understood it, they would like to do away with SM1 and SM2 support by the end of 2009. That means SM3 would be necessary (which is supported by a GF 6600). Originally by: Dev Blog To accommodate older PCs and those who prefer to run twenty clients of EVE while they run SETI@Home and ray trace while compressing HD movies, we will deliver what we refer to as "Premium Lite." Premium Lite will only require ShaderModel 2.0 hardware, and far less texture memory than the current Premium, ensuring good framerates on older hardware. We won't stop there - we are providing two flavors of ShaderModel 2.0 compatible shaders, currently named "lo" and "hi". What does this mean? It means that framerate enthusiasts can get even more performance when running under ShaderModel 2.0. We will also allow people to select any ShaderModel below what their hardware supports - thus allowing players to trade quality for performance and vice versa. Originally by: Dev Blog Step 1: In Apocrypha, March 10th, we discontinue support for ShaderModel 1, making ShaderModel 2 (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) the minimum requirement and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite" Source ShaderModel 3, will NOT be required for premium lite _ Add your own line!
bio collector	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:19:00 - [27] I was running premium on a single core agp machine which was fine for all but massive fleet ops. I'm not signing this as I've just upgraded to an I7 pc with gtx280 card. You'll have to upgrade one day, might as well be now.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:20:00 - [28] This is the same debate that was had over eq1 almost a decade ago.... MMOs that do not periodically increase their systems reqs die a slow death. And in all cases there will be a very vocal minority that will rage against the devs because their commodore64 won't run the game and either that means 1 less alt (UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!) or in a few cases their main (in which case it will be because the developers hate them personally). I'm suprised that it has come down to an issue as specific as SM3 but same difference..... thank god I have 2 cards that support it already
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Sleepkevert Edited by: Sleepkevert on 14/01/2009 19:16:18 Originally by: Qordel One of us is misinformed. Perhaps it is me as I might not have read the dev blog correctly. As I understood it, they would like to do away with SM1 and SM2 support by the end of 2009. That means SM3 would be necessary (which is supported by a GF 6600). Originally by: Dev Blog To accommodate older PCs and those who prefer to run twenty clients of EVE while they run SETI@Home and ray trace while compressing HD movies, we will deliver what we refer to as "Premium Lite." Premium Lite will only require ShaderModel 2.0 hardware, and far less texture memory than the current Premium, ensuring good framerates on older hardware. We won't stop there - we are providing two flavors of ShaderModel 2.0 compatible shaders, currently named "lo" and "hi". What does this mean? It means that framerate enthusiasts can get even more performance when running under ShaderModel 2.0. We will also allow people to select any ShaderModel below what their hardware supports - thus allowing players to trade quality for performance and vice versa. Originally by: Dev Blog Step 1: In Apocrypha, March 10th, we discontinue support for ShaderModel 1, making ShaderModel 2 (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) the minimum requirement and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite" Source ShaderModel 3, will NOT be required for premium lite So Step 2 under The Plan only applies to the full premium client? I thought that was with regard to the entire client across the board. In other words, that the SM2 requirement in Lite would evolve by the end of the year to SM3. I guess I definitely did read it incorrectly, then. And I suspect a lot of others did, too. Then, even more than before, all I have to say to anyone who doesn't have SM2 support today and won't have it within a year is "quit your ****ing whining". Thanks for clearing that up, because it is VERY clear that a lot of us on both sides of the stupid argument thought CCP was stating SM3 would be the new minimum after a year.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Sleepkevert BUT, I missed this part Originally by: Dev blog Step 2: In the Winter Expansion 2009 we are considering discontinuing support for ShaderModel 2 and make the minimum specification ShaderModel 3(GeForce 6 class cards or ATi x1300 or compatible) Looks like they are indeed CONSIDERING to let go of sm2 support at the end of the year... Fail... Well, at least they'v got a full year to realize their mistake... Right, that's what is unclear to me as well. I thought that applied across the board to the client. Even if it does, then that is still a full year for people to get up to par and SM3 isn't exactly a high requirement. If it's SM2, however, then the whines are even more ridiculous.

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