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Bamfordi Falling On Deaf Ears Cascade Imminent 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote Ok so I've ended up in some nice angel space, hooray \o/. however the legion i was previously using for ratting isnt very efficient at all for ratting vs. angels even when fit with HAMs (17km range and average dps make the fact it has incredible resists vs angels pretty useless) I can fly all amarr sub cap ship and most caldari with the support skills and laser/missile skills to boot. I would like your input on what alternatives are out there for me. I have considered the nighthawk (seems to suffer from bad base resists to angel rats), tengu (30days training subs to level 5 :( ), archon (for anomolies with explosive fighters- intel is pretty good round where i rat). I realise that the minmatar ships and machariel are probably the best suited to killing these guys but i dont want to train a whole new race/weaponry, i also mainly run the plexes and only do sanctums/havens when i cant find a good plex so perhaps thats leaning toward the tengu. any advice is appreciated, to me its all just a bit of a headache finding out what is best
Orlacc Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.04.17 16:32:00 - [2] - Quote CNR would be good if you have the skills.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 802	Posted - 2012.04.17 16:37:00 - [3] - Quote If you have the ISK to blow, a Tengu or some form of shield tanked long range battleship (Raven, CNR, Rokh, Maelstrom) would work well. Nighthawk would also work. If you're on a budget and have a friend, get a Sacrilege to tank the rats, while a friend in a Thrasher or Hurricane fit for max-DPS blitzes everything. If you're on a budget and have no friends, deal with the low damage of Sacrilege/Legion, or get a Drake and deal with its issues. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members!
Bamfordi Falling On Deaf Ears Cascade Imminent 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 16:46:00 - [4] - Quote I'm not too fussed about isk as long as its reasonable for the task i.e i'll buy a tengu and faction fit it if its a big step up from what i got atm. I looked into a nighthawk because I was under the impression it had a really good tank and its dps is similar to tengu however when fitted for passive tank its several times worse than a drake! Of course this was on eft so i havent actually used anything in practice but i was under the impression the NH had a really good tank fitted in this way, maybe this is just vs guristas i dno.
Skorpynekomimi Omega Vector 173	Posted - 2012.04.17 16:47:00 - [5] - Quote Mael. Minmatar shields are very good against angels, and Fusion ammo hits their weaknesses nicely. Generally, just take a L4 mission fit, tweak it a little, and you're set. Maybe a Vargur if you're rich; it saves looting and salvaging in something else.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 802	Posted - 2012.04.17 16:55:00 - [6] - Quote Bamfordi wrote: I'm not too fussed about isk as long as its reasonable for the task i.e i'll buy a tengu and faction fit it if its a big step up from what i got atm. I looked into a nighthawk because was under the impression it had a really good tank however when fitted for passive tank its several times worse than a drake! Of course this was on eft so i havent actually used anything in practice but i was under the impression the NH had a really good tank, maybe this is just vs guristas i dno. Not even looking at the NH, I can tell you that it is going to have a better "default" tank against Guristas. It's a T2 Caldari combat ship, which means its resists will be Thermal > Kinetic > Explosive > EM in shields. As Angels deal mainly Exp/Kin damage, it will require a bit of tweaking (explosive hardener) to make it effective at tanking that. It's still going to be a trade-off between tank and damage, though, especially if passive tanked. EFT it up and see how it looks? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members!
Bamfordi Falling On Deaf Ears Cascade Imminent 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 16:58:00 - [7] - Quote minmatar ships are well over a month of training to do it well (t2 large guns) and i'm not really wanting to do that. I'm interested in the most efficient ship for my skills (amarr/caldari) for running angel plexes and sanctums. i have tweaked the nh but i got 320 defence efficiency against my angel profile with the specific hardeners, and im not sure that is enough for the sanctums or higher end plexes. a tengu is a step up but is that worth the extra isk? heres the fit i made: [Nighthawk, angel] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Photon Scattering Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Warrior II x5
mxzf Shovel Bros 1249	Posted - 2012.04.17 17:04:00 - [8] - Quote Well, T2 large guns aren't mandatory, they just help. And I think that Tengu might be your best bet. Keep in mind that you don't have to take every SS skill to 5 right away (or even ever). Getting them to 4 will have you running at ~90% efficiency and only takes a week. As to taking things to 5, the offensive one is the only one that helps no matter what; there's no need to train defensive SS 5 if your tank is fine with 4, etc.
Bamfordi Falling On Deaf Ears Cascade Imminent 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 17:26:00 - [9] - Quote ok i shall train for a tengu i think since all the other options seems significantly worse for qhat i wana do.does the CNR compare?
FT Diomedes Factio Paucorum 47	Posted - 2012.04.18 03:08:00 - [10] - Quote Bamfordi wrote: Fit Why are you putting an EM hardener on against Angels. I tank heavy DPS Angel missions (e.g. AE Bonus Room) just fine with Exp + Invuln. Never tried in a higher end plex, but the Nighthawk has ample tank against Angels. PS - with that said, the Tengu is better. Much better. The Nighthawk just compares favorably at the price.
Crellion Parental Control 13	Posted - 2012.04.18 07:11:00 - [11] - Quote This should be par for the course.... 832 dps of pure explosive goodness... no doubt can be tweaked a bit more if needed... [Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Target Painter II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Valkyrie II x5
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3387	Posted - 2012.04.18 08:42:00 - [12] - Quote Bamfordi wrote: ok i shall train for a tengu i think since all the other options seems significantly worse for qhat i wana do.does the CNR compare? As long as you're retraining for an expensive ship, then a Machariel is easily the best for angel anoms. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Crellion Parental Control 13	Posted - 2012.04.18 09:19:00 - [13] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Bamfordi wrote: ok i shall train for a tengu i think since all the other options seems significantly worse for qhat i wana do.does the CNR compare? As long as you're retraining for an expensive ship, then a Machariel is easily the best for angel anoms. Same fitting as CNR posted above ... a bit better tank ... some 40-50% more dps at 4kms a wee bit more dps up to 50-60kms less dps outside that... whatever... [Machariel, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Shield Boost Amplifier II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Berserker II x4
Osvaldr Adridian Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.04.18 11:07:00 - [14] - Quote Sleipnir http://i.imgur.com/wGQin.jpg
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 310	Posted - 2012.04.18 12:54:00 - [15] - Quote The good ship 'Friendship' works a treat in a situation like this! :D
Dato Koppla Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2012.04.18 14:17:00 - [16] - Quote Mach is best, if you want to stick to Caldari CNR will get you the most bang for your buck, here's what I use: [Raven Navy Issue, PvE] Cruise Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Cruise Missile Auto Targeting System I Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5 A little pricey but all the pimp is in the rigs, if you want you can downgrade to t1 in which case I'd go for 3 rigors. The CN BCUs and DG booster is actually required to fit everything and its tight on cpu so no space for a tractor though extra targets is useful.
Jewel Noret Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.05.15 06:46:00 - [17] - Quote How are your drone skills? I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Gila, or a passive shield tanked Ishtar. Both have phenomenal passive shield tanks vs. angels, low sig radius, and decent dps. Neither requires training a new weapon tree. Both are (somewhat) reasonably priced, and don't require expensive pimped fits to be do good. Also, you save the expense/hassle of ammo, and if you do need to gtfo, you can do so much more quickly than in a BS.
Tenga Halaris Exit Strategies Mordus Angels 25	Posted - 2012.05.15 08:40:00 - [18] - Quote Gorki Andropov wrote: The good ship 'Friendship' works a treat in a situation like this! :D Stop spamming this... How will it work? Let sb else do the ratting and get the ISK from him, I guess? Op has Amarr and Caldari trained and clearly stated, he doesn't want to train Minmatar. Tengu and NH are only average, because of the kinetic bonus. A Raven or CNR will be best, because you have the full dmg for explo missiles.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1505	Posted - 2012.05.15 18:00:00 - [19] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: Bamfordi wrote: Fit Why are you putting an EM hardener on against Angels. I tank heavy DPS Angel missions (e.g. AE Bonus Room) just fine with Exp + Invuln. Never tried in a higher end plex, but the Nighthawk has ample tank against Angels. PS - with that said, the Tengu is better. Much better. The Nighthawk just compares favorably at the price. Different Angel BSes do different Damage types. The highest bounty Battleships do either EM or Thermal damage. When CCP buffed the anoms, they added a crapload of the highest bounty Battleships. Angels in Anoms now deal primarily EM and Thermal damage. Machariel is the way to go. Before that, a CNR and a Maelstrom are probably around equal in efficiency, depending on skills. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.

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