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Leana Darkrider
Creatio -ex- nihilo
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Posted - 2009.01.16 06:55:00 -
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Hi guys,
I've checked the differences between the ORE ice harvester and Ice Harvester II, and it seems the ORE harvester only has a different range. 12km to 10km of the Ice harvester II.
I couldn't find that the ORE ice harvesters has a better cycle.
Is it true that the cycle's of these two are the same?
If so, why would you pay around 125-150 mils for an ORE ice Harvester that only has 2km more range.
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Esab
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 07:08:00 -
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4 Lvls of skill that are needed for the Tech 2 version are not reqd to use the ORE version.
Some people are prepared to pay a lot to avoid the long skill trains I guess
Esab
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.01.16 08:35:00 -
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and the price has to do with the (insane) amount of LP involved. there's only a few ORE agents in even fewer ORE stations in outer ring - and most of them arent famous for their LP-rich kill missions.
apart from that, i'm sure macro miners prefer the implant set from the same LP store, effectively leaking the value over to the harvesters aswell - just another problem why these pools of ingredients distort good ole' supply&demand
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Clansworth
Blackwater USA Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 11:35:00 -
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This isn't a distortion of supply and demand at all. This is S&D, pure and simple. There is little demand for the harvesters, but at the same time, because of this, and because the same resources can be used to create items that DO have a higher demand (implants), the harvesters are never created, therefore, they have a supply that is even lower than their miniscule demand. This leads to the high prices (and, extremely low volumes).
At least the ORE Ice Harvester is on par with the Ice Harvester II... The ORE Strip Miner is instead on par with the Strip Miner I. This makes it COMPLETELY useless. They really need to seed an ORE Modulated Strip Miner, and put it on par with the MSM II, with the extra range boost.. this might actually get it used a bit... |
Oday Darkcrest
Minmatar
Veldspar International
Imperial Defense Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:41:00 -
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ok, so reading over this I still don't see an answer to the OP's question 
What is the advantage of using Ice harvesters tech II over tech I?? |
Callista Omenswarm
Astronautical Engineering
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Callista Omenswarm on 16/01/2009 13:51:40
Oday :
 Originally by: Esab
4 Lvls of skill that are needed for the Tech 2 version are not reqd to use the ORE version.
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Oday Darkcrest
Minmatar
Veldspar International
Imperial Defense Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.16 14:01:00 -
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I understand that mate, But Ice and Ore harvesting are 2 different ball games so that's a given.
What I am wondering is if I had the capability to slap on tech II ice harvesters on my Mackinaw instead of the tech I's, what difference would it make to me yeild wise for example? Or is there a difference? Is it just the range? |
ingenting
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:28:00 -
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learn to read the attributes and skill requirements. |
Callista Omenswarm
Astronautical Engineering
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Oday Darkcrest
I understand that mate...
ORE is capitalised for a reason.
Tech II Ice Harvesters - Duration 500s, Optimal 10,000KM, Requires Ice Harvesting V
ORE Ice Harvesters - Duration 500s, Optimal 12,000KM, Requires Ice Harvesting I
As first post stated, the difference, other than the range being the 4 levels of skill. |
Leana Darkrider
Creatio -ex- nihilo
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Posted - 2009.01.17 07:18:00 -
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thanx for your comments ppl.
But I still have a question, the duration of both harvesters is 500s.
that is with ice harvesting at lvl1 for the ORE harvester and with ice harvesting lvl5 for the tech2 version.
What will the duration be if I have ice harvesting lvl5 and use the ORE version?
Because the ice harvesting skill gives 5% reduction in cycle time per lvl.
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Thenoran
Caldari
Hegemony Enterprises
HEGEM0NY
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Posted - 2009.01.17 13:32:00 -
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Not having Ice Harvesting at V when you are Ice Mining is a gigantic waste, killing kittens on a galactic scale...
The only reason you might want to get the ORE variant is to use it while you are training for Ice Harvesting V.
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Clansworth
Blackwater USA Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.17 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Leana Darkrider
thanx for your comments ppl.
But I still have a question, the duration of both harvesters is 500s.
that is with ice harvesting at lvl1 for the ORE harvester and with ice harvesting lvl5 for the tech2 version.
What will the duration be if I have ice harvesting lvl5 and use the ORE version?
Because the ice harvesting skill gives 5% reduction in cycle time per lvl.
The 500s listed is the Base cycle time before any skills, ship bonuses, upgrades, implants, leadership effects, etc.
All those things will affect the Ice Harvester II and the Ore Ice Harvester the same. All things being equal, there is no difference in Yield between the Ice Harvester II and the ORE Ice Harvester. The ORE version simply only adds the 2km to range.
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Leana Darkrider
Creatio -ex- nihilo
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth
Originally by: Leana Darkrider
thanx for your comments ppl.
But I still have a question, the duration of both harvesters is 500s.
that is with ice harvesting at lvl1 for the ORE harvester and with ice harvesting lvl5 for the tech2 version.
What will the duration be if I have ice harvesting lvl5 and use the ORE version?
Because the ice harvesting skill gives 5% reduction in cycle time per lvl.
The 500s listed is the Base cycle time before any skills, ship bonuses, upgrades, implants, leadership effects, etc.
All those things will affect the Ice Harvester II and the Ore Ice Harvester the same. All things being equal, there is no difference in Yield between the Ice Harvester II and the ORE Ice Harvester. The ORE version simply only adds the 2km to range.
Thanx, that's the answer i was looking for.
So it's just a waste of isk to buy ORE ice Harvesters when you already have ice harvesting lvl5
Now the other question that popped into me.
does this also count for regular strip miners?
Has the ORE strip miner the same cycle as the strip miner II with t2 crystals?
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Clansworth
Blackwater USA Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.18 02:27:00 -
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The ORE Strip miner is significantly inferior to the Modulated Strip Miner II, as it does not use crystals. It basically has the same stats as the Strip Miner I, with slightly longer range.
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Omnia Opera
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Posted - 2009.01.18 05:13:00 -
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Its also the seize
Strip Miner I: 100 m3
ORE Strip Miner: 5 m3
a strange faction bonus. |
Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.01.18 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth
At least the ORE Ice Harvester is on par with the Ice Harvester II... The ORE Strip Miner is instead on par with the Strip Miner I. This makes it COMPLETELY useless. They really need to seed an ORE Modulated Strip Miner, and put it on par with the MSM II, with the extra range boost.. this might actually get it used a bit...
Originally by: Leana Darkrider
does this also count for regular strip miners?
Has the ORE strip miner the same cycle as the strip miner II with t2 crystals?
Read up ;)
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.01.18 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Omnia Opera
Its also the seize
Strip Miner I: 100 m3
ORE Strip Miner: 5 m3
a strange faction bonus.
Mineral compression :o Strip Miner I's used to be fairly decent at compressing trit ;)
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