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MyOwnSling
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: Sokratesz There *ARE* buses driving around with religious bull**** on them about sin and repent and hell.
Where do you live? I don't doubt what you are saying, it's just that I have never seen such a thing on any bus I have encountered and I'm a bit curious as to where this is occuring.
The entire bus advert campaign was started because of a religious advert with a website address, and on the website it said that non-Christians would damned to spend eternity in hell.
In Manchester we have buses driving round advertising Jesus and King's Church.
Ok, that makes more sense to me then, thank you. I'm not getting any of that on the other side of the Atlantic. ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Vabjekf But anti-religion ****es me off with its smug fanaticism.
Warning incoming derail....
Yeah I definately see all the anti-religious fanatics blowing **** up and killing people in the name of anti-religion
I see the angle you are coming from, but your choice of words rubs me the wrong way. Smug I may give you, but fanaticism is a joke.
Slade
Fanaticism: Excessive, irrational zeal.
Your argument makes no sense, you don't need to 'blow stuff up' to be a fanatic.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal Drivers allowed to expresses his opinion as much as the signs on the side of the bus if he doesn't want to be associated or an instrument to spread those beliefs that's completely within his rights under freedom of worship laws.
Word. At least someone in this thread has some sense.
He's the busdriver (not just a passenger), and while "shock horror" is a bit too much the guy is not insane or fanatical to not want to drive a bus featuring messages that he strongly objects to. It's not like the guy is saying "OMG, you have to remove all of those adverts!", he just refuses to drive a bus with that sign. I'm pretty hard to offend, but I can understand his viewpoint. If I was a busdriver I would probably not want to drive a bus promoting for example Hamas or maybe the local right-wing extremist party. In the mind of the public I, as the driver, am a representative of the company, and while the company isn't pro every commercial on their buses they're not against either. I would object as well to wearing a ton of religious imagery as a protest, it's not in line with what I view as the actions of a good company employee. Thus the course of action that remains is to request a different bus. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:25:00 -
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If an atheist was similarly offended by Christian posters, would you support the same course of action for them? |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro If an atheist was similarly offended by Christian posters, would you support the same course of action for them?
I would, but then i don't think there should be any religious advertisements on a bus at all, actually no ads whatsoever. i request a popup blocker for reality. |
Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:43:00 -
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Interstingly, this fellow's reaction is actually an outlier.
Most British Christians could care less.
Although, as another poster stated, he is well within his rights to not wish to be associated with the Atheist sentiment.
Sounds to me like some of you guys need to take a tolerance lesson from Britain's Christians. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Malusae
Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:48:00 -
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I live under the belief that if I don't bother you about my faith in God, you shouldn't bother me on your lack of faith in God (Or of God in this case).
But I do think that this guy is within his right to refuse to drive the bus. Just like I would expect an atheist to be in their right to refuse to drive a bus if it had some religious advertisement on it. We all have the right to be offended, I suppose.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:50:00 -
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I lolled uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.16 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
("What if every driver.../every time...?" That's unlikely to happen.)
Originally by: Qui Shon
I already addressed your question in the parenthesis of the post you quoted If you wanted to argue that point, you should have addressed it directly, all those examples are certainly not neccessary.
My apolgies for missing that. I did not comprehend what was in those paranthesis.
So to approach it directly. How does not wanting to drive a bus for a petty reason have to do with not "promoting corporate slavery or blind obedience?
Originally by: Vabjekf
Fanaticism: Excessive, irrational zeal.
Your argument makes no sense, you don't need to 'blow stuff up' to be a fanatic.
I would agree that not all fanatics blow stuff up. I think you would also agree that blowing something up due to your belief system would be a qualifier for being a fanatic.
Point being that atheists do not typically even come close to the definition you typed out. Theists on the other hand more often qualify by that definition in current times.
Slade
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mercyonman
Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.16 17:27:00 -
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wow this is what EVERYONE is trying to say about christians right?
christian troubles |
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:22:00 -
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I blame the labour party. |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
My apolgies for missing that. I did not comprehend what was in those paranthesis.
So to approach it directly. How does not wanting to drive a bus for a petty reason have to do with not "promoting corporate slavery or blind obedience?
The fault was mine, I go too far in my efforts to be concise sometimes.
"Do exactly as you're told without complaints, or get fired." That is the sentiment in a lot of the posts here, and that, as I hope you can see, is promoting such things. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/01/2009 18:37:57
Originally by: Qui Shon
The fault was mine, I go too far in my efforts to be concise sometimes.
"Do exactly as you're told without complaints, or get fired." That is the sentiment in a lot of the posts here, and that, as I hope you can see, is promoting such things.
Trust me, I am all for voicing ones opinion. But the minute you refuse to do your job you refuse the opportunity to maintain that position. I would also have the same viewpoint for an atheist in the opposite situation.
Slade
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:41:00 -
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Well SURPRISE SURPRISE
Ok, so we expected this. I'm gonna go grab some coffee, anyone want some? |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Trust me, I am all for voicing ones opinion. But the minute you refuse to do your job you refuse the opportunity to maintain that position. I would also have the same viewpoint for an atheist in the opposite situation.
Slade
He's not neccesarily refusing to do his job, just doing it with one of the "afflicted" busses. Giving him another bus wouldn't neccesarily inconvenience the bus company in any significant way.
That's the blind obediance that so many here prescribe to, it doesn't need to be that way at all. The company could well work with their employees, instead of offering ultimatums. It doesn't need to, nor can it, bend over backwards, but that's not the case here.
I'm an atheist btw, and don't have much respect for religion. However, I do try to keep some respect for basically good people, even if they have invisible friends. |
Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
"WE ARE WATCHING. ALWAYS." (That one will come across when...)
Wasn't that the creepy Orange network ad campaign years back? Link to photo on internet nutjob site. |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Raptos
Hell i dont know how many adverts there are on the TV about christian charities and all that fluff.
I don't know where you live, but Christian charities over here are certainly not fluff. Many of them do a great deal to improve the lives of people facing hardship of one type or another. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
He's not neccesarily refusing to do his job, just doing it with one of the "afflicted" busses. Giving him another bus wouldn't neccesarily inconvenience the bus company in any significant way.
That's the blind obediance that so many here prescribe to, it doesn't need to be that way at all. The company could well work with their employees, instead of offering ultimatums. It doesn't need to, nor can it, bend over backwards, but that's not the case here.
I'm an atheist btw, and don't have much respect for religion. However, I do try to keep some respect for basically good people, even if they have invisible friends.
Well to be honest, per usual, I only have the shady article to go by. He asked for a new bus. The company said we do not have another bus at this time. Said individual walked out of work.
""I felt that I could not drive that bus, I told my managers and they said they haven't got another one and I thought I better go home, so I did."
He walked out on his job. He was unable to bite the bullet for one day to see if the company would give his grievances any thought. He should not maintain that position.
If this is not really what happened then my opinions could be different, but how it was presented, I do not think he should have a job the next day.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle Linkage
This chap has refused to drive his bus because of a sign. His apparent reaction was "Shock Horror".
If it was Goatse, then yes. SHOCK HORROR would be what drifts into ones mind - but a few words that publicly state a doubt of existance to something that still has not been solidly proven to exist... makes me think this dude just wanted a day off.
It seems a bit odd to put this on a bus anyway. This is in the UK actually.. maybe it's not.
Still - How long until we see banners on the sides of busses not unlike those seen in "Children of Men"?
"CONSUME" "BUY" "PROCREATE" "HAIL BRITANNIA" (That one is very unlikely.. as much as I'd love England to be like it's loose portrayal in Code Geass.. it unfortunately will never be.) "WE ARE WATCHING. ALWAYS." (That one will come across when the government finally admits that the tiny little cameras in the front of most mobiles are indeed recording your every action... *tinfoilhat*)
You say things that get into the face of someones core beliefs and your shocked to see them retaliate? If someone put an ad that said your mother was a ***** and your boss told you to drive it would you? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:39:00 -
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oh, i see. Ill just put these people in ovens for a little while, so my company can process my grievances about not wanting to final solution.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
You say things that get into the face of someones core beliefs and your shocked to see them retaliate? If someone put an ad on your bus (assuming you were a bus driver that is) that said your mother was a ***** and your boss told you to drive it would you?
Well you should be able to prove you mother is not a *****, or at least prove that they have no evidence for the claim, and sue them for slander. As for the message in this article, it is a belief, a theory that can not be proven or dis proven. Something that, in my opinion, does not justify walking out on your job.
[/sarcasm]This message is got to be one of the most vile attacks aganist religion.[/end]
It did not even attack a single religion. Heck, the sign even included the word, probably.
This is laughable I am out of this thread
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.01.16 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal He won't get sacked because there are no grounds to sack him on that wouldn't lead to the company been held up on a variety of legal charges.
Sure there are grounds to sack him, he's refusing to do his job. You legally have a right to believe whatever you want, but you do NOT have a right to keep your job and your paycheck even though you won't do the work it requires. If he does not wish to drive the bus as instructed to by his employer, he is perfectly free to find a new job that is less offensive to him. ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.16 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Still - How long until we see banners on the sides of busses not unlike those seen in "Children of Men"?
"CONSUME" "BUY" "PROCREATE"
you mean the movie/short story "They live" ------
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2009.01.16 21:21:00 -
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The Humanist Organisations' intention was for these adverts to get people talking, the kind of people who would otherwise not give that much thought to all the implications of organised religion and whether there is a God (which are two different things)- you know, the guy in the pub in the evening says "you'll never guess what was on the side of my bus to work today, what do you think about that?"
So this incident and its attendant publicity is like manna from heaven for the Humanists, because now people have another topic to talk (and think!) about, namely whether the Bus Driver should have been sacked or not.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.16 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Well to be honest, per usual, I only have the shady article to go by. He asked for a new bus. The company said we do not have another bus at this time. Said individual walked out of work.
""I felt that I could not drive that bus, I told my managers and they said they haven't got another one and I thought I better go home, so I did."
He walked out on his job. He was unable to bite the bullet for one day to see if the company would give his grievances any thought. He should not maintain that position.
If this is not really what happened then my opinions could be different, but how it was presented, I do not think he should have a job the next day.
Slade
Well, I'm not a bus driver, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get sacked if I missed a day of work because I had a problem with something we were doing. If it was something critical that ended up costing the company loads of money, then maybe, but a bus driver missing a day of work doesn't sound like it.
And they seem to have come to an agreement the next workday, as can be read in the article.
"When he returned to work on Monday he was called into a meeting with managers and agreed to go back to work with the promise he would only have to drive the buses if there were no others available."
I see you intended to leave the thread, but on the off chance that you didn't, I'm curious as to whether you're a student or if you're working somewhere? Large company? Small one? Manager? Self employed, contractor of some sort? I'm not looking to prove anything one way or the other, I'm just curious. |
Neyro7830
Gallente Axxeon
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:38:00 -
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I love it me some Cults now...
Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:52:00 -
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I'd fire him just to be an ass |
Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2009.01.17 02:12:00 -
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"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy life."
Apparently, he just couldn't get past the first line, and the second was completely lost on him. |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.17 02:27:00 -
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Fire him, he knew he had no input in what commercials were on the side of the bus when he took the job.
Delenda est achura. |
Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.17 02:45:00 -
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What next, cabbies refusing to drive FT-branded cabs because they look vaguely pink and are an affront to their masculinity? Vegetarian pizza delivery staff refusing to deliver pizzas containing meat?
Fire this joker. Let him try to find a job where he does not have to make compromises.
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