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Oday Darkcrest Minmatar Veldspar International Imperial Defense Coalition	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:47:00 - [1] While I never actually played LOTR MMO I did hear about the life time memberships at the time from a friend who was playing. Seems like a great idea. (If this has thread already been done please don't get your panties in a twist, just be nice or ignore it) I would like to suggest that CCP consider allowing people to buy life time memberships. I mean the game is going no where and people would for sure know that they were going to get their moneys worth down the road. It seems something that would bring in nice capital for CCP and also reward us who are willing to commit to CCP. I was thinking about how much it should be and LOTR (if I remember correctly what I was told) was around Ç100 but I personally think that its too cheap. Anyways not sure about that game. Eve is something much better and more stable with a large pop and is almost 100% guaranteed to be around for years to come. So I was thinking that you should have to pay some where in the region of 1-2 years. 1 year is around Ç130, would I be willing to spend Ç260 and never have to pay for Eve again.... to be honest its quite a lot when I look on my screen now but tbh I still think I would go ahead with it. I am almost 100% sure I'd be around for that if not longer, much longer. Anyways, what about you? Any thoughts? -------------------------------------------------- Do it today, tomorrow it might be Illegal :D
Vabjekf	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:51:00 - [2] Yes, this way every time i 'quit' i can still keep my skills training because 'i may as well'
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:52:00 - [3] No. The Ghost-training vote thread
InSession Shuugouteki	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:54:00 - [4] Why would CCP charge that, when they can continue to make more by monthly payments, or yearly at most.
Slab Squatthrust	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:54:00 - [5] Yes
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:55:00 - [6] 2 years would be way way too cheap back 3 and a half years ago i banked on myself still playng now and eve still being around and chances are it wtill will be in another 4 years (by then we might have half the things ccp has had ideas for so far ingame).
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:56:00 - [7] Possibly, depending on the price. Oh and the LOTRO lifetime membership is $300. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:00:00 - [8] I'd pay $300 to play EVE forever, but not any other MMO. Once you've played through other MMOs, why would you continue playing them? They aren't open-ended and varied like EVE is. They have limited playability. But CCP wouldn't do that, because it would be a major loss for them to accept some cash now for nothing later. And unlike other companies, they don't have to sink to that level of desperation to get people to play. Also, unlike other games, "LIFE" here means "indefinitely". Life for most of the other MMOs means "one to three years, followed by five more years with 5% of the playerbase remaining".
Victoria Ehr Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Qordel I'd pay $300 to play EVE forever, but not any other MMO. Once you've played through other MMOs, why would you continue playing them? They aren't open-ended and varied like EVE is. They have limited playability. But CCP wouldn't do that, because it would be a major loss for them to accept some cash now for nothing later. And unlike other companies, they don't have to sink to that level of desperation to get people to play. Also, unlike other games, "LIFE" here means "indefinitely". Life for most of the other MMOs means "one to three years, followed by five more years with 5% of the playerbase remaining". that about sums it up. EVE is poised to have the longest legs of any MMO currently out there. CCP would make far more money just sticking to its subscription plans. Lifetime subscriptions for EVE would be like frequent flyer programs for airlines, good cash at first then disastrous years down the road. As long as CCP doesn't pull a SWG kind of nerf, EVE will be around far longer than LOTRO or any other current MMO. -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
Oday Darkcrest Minmatar Veldspar International Imperial Defense Coalition	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia Oh and the LOTRO lifetime membership is $300. I've been thinking about it more since I posted the thread. And I would go higher. I was thinking about the average life of a Eve gamer and thinking that it would have to be more like 3 or 4 years for CCP to consider it worth while. Personally, it would largely depend on how much but I would most certainly be up for it if it was not like Ç500+ I think if it was too much above Ç500 I would not take it. -------------------------------------------------- Do it today, tomorrow it might be Illegal :D

Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:24:00 - [11] Only if they deducted anything you have already paid. They'd owe me money.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:42:00 - [12] Originally by: InSession Why would CCP charge that, when they can continue to make more by monthly payments, or yearly at most. Because they could take everyone's lifetime subs, and close the game. It's their game, they can do what they want, right? The Ghost-training vote thread
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Gunnanmon Originally by: InSession Why would CCP charge that, when they can continue to make more by monthly payments, or yearly at most. Because they could take everyone's lifetime subs, and close the game. It's their game, they can do what they want, right? Heh. Zing. -- Dirk Magnum's Heartfelt Confession
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:47:00 - [14] Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 16/01/2009 18:50:07 I didn't go to the '08 fanfest, but in the '07 fanfest I saw a silent auction on a life time membership for EvE. I bid $500 (iirc) but didn't win. I was always curious what the winning bid was, but such are silent auctions. Maybe someone from CCP could say what it was given its been over a year? As for why CCP would do it -> Companies that offer limited one time deals tend to do so when they need a large infusion of capital right now instead of steady amounts over longer periods. Its like when TiVO first started. I was one of those early adopters and I went for the life time membership. Now I don't pay monthly fees and every-time my TiVO starts having issues (been twice in 6 years), they send me a new one for free. -------------------
Janssen	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:53:00 - [15] At Eve Fanfest 2007 there was a lifetime membership being auctioned. I took my annual subscription fee and multiplied by 10 - US$1350.00 approximately. I did not win the auction. I was outbid by almost 2x that amount. That's just to give you an idea of how much value some fans thought it had then. The idea has merit, however CCP would have to price it so high or limit the number sold per year so as to ensure that they (CCP) would be able to grow and prosper. I want CCP to be around in 10 years. Don't you? Live long and prosper CCP _\\// <-- um, no, that's not a chicken
Grarr Dexx Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:54:00 - [16] Lifetime memberships is something for new MMO's that overshot their market and were doomed before they were even published. It's not really an MMO, but: ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Ocih Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:03:00 - [17] If they gave me the option I would. I'm not expecting it. We could have lifetime accounts just to mill out 15 mill SP chars for ISK. It would kill subs and GTCs.
Nerrollus Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:17:00 - [18] Last I saw the LOTRO life time sub was $199 ... If CCP offered it, I'd more than likely take it, but it would depend on the price. --------------------------------------------- /wave My EVE Blog: nerrollus.wordpress.com
Kembla Shed Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:52:00 - [19] EVE Online already has lifetime subscription. For the average Australian male it would cost AU$15,370.38. This is assuming people play from birth until 78.5 years of age. Though, the forum does look as if it is filled with toddlers.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Kembla EVE Online already has lifetime subscription. For the average Australian male it would cost AU$15,370.38. This is assuming people play from birth until 78.5 years of age. Though, the forum does look as if it is filled with toddlers. Wow, aussies live a long time. That's like six years more than us dumbass Americans. Most of us even pray to teh baby jesus instead of all that hospital garbage, too.. and yet we don't live as long as you. Damn! --

Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:01:00 - [21] There's just no way to calculate a decent fee for a lifetime membership. What if some catastrophic business problem forces CCP to end Eve five years from now, and people had paid a four-digit sum with the expectation of having a decade or more of playtime? Or what if CCP set the price too low and lose profits? I'm quite comfortable with the one-year discounted subscription, personally.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:03:00 - [22] EVE lifetime membership is around 4500 Euro. Stick those in a bank as a yearly deposit, use the interest to pay for the 12-month subscription. TADA ! _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Andrea Erlang Caldari Erlang Biolabs	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:10:00 - [23] leave it to Akita to find an economical solution
Vabjekf	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:14:00 - [24] I have a lifetime subscription to HG:L I bought it reasoning that 'one day the game will be good and i can just come back and start playing with out worrying about subscriptions' I still think it was a good investment.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:17:00 - [25] Please move this to the "Ideas and Features" forum. Thanks.
Hegbard	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:18:00 - [26] Edited by: Hegbard on 16/01/2009 20:25:36 When you read some subscription based company announcing "life time membership", it means they are doomed. Or are trying to get cash to make a new and better product. Or they are preparing to run with the money. There's absolutely no reason for a company to sit on a pile of cash instead of getting a steady income. Actually, it's a very bad thing because you're losing cash to cover future operational expenses and instead have to pay taxes on sudden profit. If some other games do it, it's because they have liquidity problems, no other reason. I can see it makes sense to do something like this once or twice as a PR gimmick, but never as a source of income for a company that wants to stay in business. Btw. This is also the same reason why cars rust.
oingo Gallente Pedestrian Wolves	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:36:00 - [27] I would pay a couple thousand to do this!!! Sign me up. (Can I make monthly payments of 10 bucks a month on it?)
Ticondrius	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:38:00 - [28] Lifetime? No. 5 year plans? Oh hell yes. CCP, please? ~$5-8/mo for 5 years all in advance would pwn so much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Chaos Incarnate's Face MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
Apoctasy Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:47:00 - [29] Originally by: InSession Why would CCP charge that, when they can continue to make more by monthly payments, or yearly at most. this tbh "Life time memberships" are for failing MMOs that need money.
Rufus MacMaranth Gallente Shadow Front	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:11:00 - [30] No, tbh, unless it cost 6 months of subs - which is just ridiculous. Plus, as has been said, I'm really not sure why CCP would want to.

Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Vabjekf I have a lifetime subscription to HG:L I bought it reasoning that 'one day the game will be good and i can just come back and start playing with out worrying about subscriptions' I still think it was a good investment. um... Originally by: Grarr Dexx Hellgate closure mail The main difference between a lifetime sub and paying monthly - Once you've paid that lifetime sub, they have your money. They don't need you anymore. They could shutdown a week later leaving your "Lifetime" very, very short. Pay monthly and you don't have this problem.
ZephyrLexx Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Gunnanmon Originally by: InSession Why would CCP charge that, when they can continue to make more by monthly payments, or yearly at most. Because they could take everyone's lifetime subs, and close the game. It's their game, they can do what they want, right? they'd have a class-action lawsuit up in their face from 250,000 subscribers faster than you can say kazooie
Dreamwalker	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:08:00 - [33] I would bank on Eve living out til 9-10 years, at that point it will spiral down. So CCP and Devs you have some work to do to keep Eve up and running.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:14:00 - [34] Eve would be the only MMO I would consider such an offer for. Mainly because I can see Eve lasting long enough for it to be worth it.
Haakelen Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Eve would be the only MMO I would consider such an offer for. Mainly because I can see Eve lasting long enough for it to be worth it. Which is precisely why they won't do it
Michaela Hunt Gallente Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:58:00 - [36] They could do that but they'd take a loss if it was priced anywhere under around 4 years worth of subscription.
Vabjekf	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Vabjekf I have a lifetime subscription to HG:L I bought it reasoning that 'one day the game will be good and i can just come back and start playing with out worrying about subscriptions' I still think it was a good investment. um... Originally by: Grarr Dexx Hellgate closure mail The main difference between a lifetime sub and paying monthly - Once you've paid that lifetime sub, they have your money. They don't need you anymore. They could shutdown a week later leaving your "Lifetime" very, very short. Pay monthly and you don't have this problem. But now i can be an internet elitist. I was a FOUNDER of HG:L man, a FOUNDER! I even had TWO preorder dyes, because i was sneeky and tricky and awesome. My guardian was cute too ;_; Why cant ships look like hot women? I like looking at them while i play my video games. Lets change eve so every ship is a gigantic space robot girl in a metal bikini.
wickedpheonix	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:34:00 - [38] I would definitely pay for a lifetime membership, but I doubt it's going to happen since it would be extremely unprofitable for CCP - it basically banks on people creating a new alt every so often in order to keep the game running, because otherwise a couple years down the line they're going to find themselves with their excess money spent and half their current revenue gone. That said, if it makes sense for a game going against the curve, it's WoW - they'd have people signing up for lifetime memberships over time, rather than all at once pretty much with EVE, since EVE has a much slower growth curve than WoW.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:35:00 - [39] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 16/01/2009 23:35:46 Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Roy Batty68 Eve would be the only MMO I would consider such an offer for. Mainly because I can see Eve lasting long enough for it to be worth it. Which is precisely why they won't do it This really. EVE online have the longest turnover rate when it comes to players. You have those highly dedicated players, like the people who have been playing for 5-6 years now. Even I have passed 3 years of gametime in EVE! So I would not hesitate signing up on a lifetime membership! The problem is CCP would loose on it. And in the end the players would loose on it! Because there where not enough monty to keep 400 people in work if everyone paied 300 dollar and was "done with it". A few years, yes, but after that CCP might have some probs. Cant say for sure since I am not an professor in economics, but if I was in Hellmars shoes, and knowing the growing popularity of EVE I would say "Hell no" to introducing a lifetime membership for lousy 300 dollar! 1000 dollar! THEN maybe! maybe... Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:41:00 - [40] how about a new 2 year option? 9$ a month x 24 months save a little bit of money :P

Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:52:00 - [41] Right now money is tight, but I'd seriously consider it when flush.
permion	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:58:00 - [42] Well it can't be more than the value of a 3 years worth a subbing. Since as we all know the world is ending in 2012
Grarr Dexx Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:29:00 - [43] Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 17/01/2009 02:32:02 Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Vabjekf I have a lifetime subscription to HG:L I bought it reasoning that 'one day the game will be good and i can just come back and start playing with out worrying about subscriptions' I still think it was a good investment. um... Originally by: Grarr Dexx Hellgate closure mail The main difference between a lifetime sub and paying monthly - Once you've paid that lifetime sub, they have your money. They don't need you anymore. They could shutdown a week later leaving your "Lifetime" very, very short. Pay monthly and you don't have this problem. Premium in Hellgate was a crock, I'm glad I was refrained from impulse buying it as a fan of the Blizzard North team. EDIT: There's one game I'd have considered buying lifetime for... Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates by Three Rings. That game was the ****, but when they added stuff like item deterioration and hell I don't know what else it sort of ruined the game for me. And now, it's just not worth the money anymore, I believe their temporary lifetime sub when the completed version was released was around $70. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Charney deGeoff Caldari Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Ticondrius Lifetime? No. 5 year plans? Oh hell yes. I wouldn't take lifetime either. But 5 years would be rocking.
JamesS Eve University	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:19:00 - [45] I'd do it, save me money in the long run and I'd always have a great game to play
Mynxee Hellcats The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.20 19:09:00 - [46] I don't believe CCP's long term financial interests would be served by selling lifetime subscriptions. They have no way to predict what their development, maintenance and delivery costs will be years from now. Consider the fact that by Dad bought my brother a lifetime subscription to National Geographic in 1965 for $300. Every month, my brother gets his NG, for all these years. This has been a losing proposition for NG for a long time now. CCP should not risk that kind of exposure. Instead, I wish they'd offer 3 and 5 year subscriptions. I'd sure buy a 3-year, possibly a 5-year and it's got to be better for their bottom line to do that over time vs. lifetime subscriptions. Life in Low Sec \| Hellcats
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:03:00 - [47] i'd buy one for my main, and one for my cap ship alt. at this point if it's less than 4 years it would have saved me money.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:28:00 - [48] Given I have been playing EVE for 5 years already, I'd pay for a lifetime account. Depends a bit on price though compared to my sub. -- 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Charney deGeoff Originally by: Ticondrius Lifetime? No. 5 year plans? Oh hell yes. I wouldn't take lifetime either. But 5 years would be rocking. If lifetime were the same price as 5 years I might :) -- 249km locking?
Silicon Buddha Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:28:00 - [50] I'd totally do it. As far as if it's good for CCP... Who the hell am I to judge what's good for them and what isn't. Can I see their balance sheet? No. Do I know what their 3-5 year plan is? No. That's up to CCP to determine if it's good for their business or not. All I can do is say that Yes, if it were possible I'd buy it. Especially if there was some little added perk like my name is different in the forums, or some such garbage as that. _________________________________________________________ Click here for Fly Reckless Podcast

Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:39:00 - [51] Yes please! Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:47:00 - [52] No. "Why?", you may ask... Fear of commitment? ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness.
Caylle	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:44:00 - [53] Absolutely! I wouldn't mind paying $300 us or even a little more.
Rakkar Than Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:03:00 - [54] Absolutely. I'd buy two.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:49:00 - [55] I liek this. I buy lefitiem for 1000. It si only monii. Pwese CCP, look this. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief
Shandir Minmatar Scargills Red Army Faction	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:12:00 - [56] I think the closest they'd come to this is auctioning out a few lifetime subs, or using them as prizes in a huge tournament or competition. It would be interesting to see how much the most dedicated (or simply most rich) EvE player would pay for a lifetime sub.


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