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Reathena	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:13:00 - [1] ESRB? WTF is an ESRB and why does Eve now come with a warning like a pack of cigarettes? Extremely Stupid Regurgitating Buffalo? Especially Silly Ruling Body? Exquisitly Sublime Reality Bliss? Ok, Ok, I know I can look it up and find out that it is some rating service. But really! It's already in the EULA. I don't want to see it every time I log in. Make it go away, please.
Alex Raptos Caldari The Firestorm Millennium	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:14:00 - [2] Entertainment Software Rating Board.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:18:00 - [3] Who is the ESRB? You've never bought a videogame before?! The ESRB is a ratings organization that publishers voluntarily submit their games to. CCP tries to aim for a TEEN rating by ESRB, which means that the content is less mature than, say, Fable II, which is a Mature rated console game in which you can beat your kids, have sex, cheat on your wife, have a same-sex partner and beat your children. As much as I and others would like it, they will probably always aim for "T for Teen" rather than make the game brutal and harsh. After all, we all know EVE is full of fourtee year old kids, because they LOVE spreadsheets! Also, the ESRB is entirely voluntary, so anyone (in America, at least) that suggests to you that it is "illegal" for a retail store to sell a minor an M-rated game is ignorant and full of crap. -- Dirk Magnum's Heartfelt Confession
Reathena	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:32:00 - [4] I see that the sarcasm was lost on some. I just do not like my entertainment labeled like a pack of cigarettes. What's next? "WARNING: Immersion in fantasy world may be hazardous to your mental health" ??? Puhleeeze! It's in the EULA - that should be enough - I don't want to see it every time I log in. point. My opinion. My desire. Only way to let CCP know about it is to cast my vote here.
Alex Raptos Caldari The Firestorm Millennium	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:34:00 - [5] Edited by: Alex Raptos on 16/01/2009 19:34:28 Its a freaking SENTANCE in something like 16 point BOLD at the top of the NEWS SECTION. Its hardly as bad as some of the god-damn recruitment advertising EON is doing on the login screen. Edit; on closer inspection i find it may infact be closer to 20 POINT BOLD.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Reathena I see that the sarcasm was lost on some. I just do not like my entertainment labeled like a pack of cigarettes. What's next? "WARNING: Immersion in fantasy world may be hazardous to your mental health" ??? Puhleeeze! It's in the EULA - that should be enough - I don't want to see it every time I log in. point. My opinion. My desire. Only way to let CCP know about it is to cast my vote here. Silly us. You asked a question that you already knew the answer to and we answered it, not knowing you knew the answer. Including some sort of emphasis may have helped us understand that you were wasting our time asking a rhetorical question. Anyway, the ESRB is a bunch of **** suckers, but there's nothing we can do about it. Also, they've been putting warnings on entertainment for twenty years now. Remember the whole Twisted Sister debacle with Tipper Gore?
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:50:00 - [7] Though I have to say I did wonder why ESRB bothered to rate an online game when every time they say ESRB ratings do not apply when online or some crap like that. Pointless? c/d
Alex Raptos Caldari The Firestorm Millennium	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Kappas. Though I have to say I did wonder why ESRB bothered to rate an online game when every time they say ESRB ratings do not apply when online or some crap like that. Pointless? c/d They rate the content of the game, and then basically say "When playing with other human beings dont sue us if they swear on a PG game"
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Kappas. Though I have to say I did wonder why ESRB bothered to rate an online game when every time they say ESRB ratings do not apply when online or some crap like that. Pointless? c/d They say the interactions can not be rated. The content can be verified to meet a specific idiotic rating, but the interactions with other players does not fall into that classification. Obviously, CCP would have no interest in dealing with the ESRB. Especially since they're an online game and are not a US company. However, they are publishing - through ATARI - a physical version of the product in retail stores where the little ESRB rating on the box means something. What it means, I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps retailers will no longer bother selling a product that doesn't contain a voluntary rating, for all I know.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:21:00 - [10] personally I would go for an AO rating... hmmm more lolz killmails if wallmart is selling it I guess... DILEMMA!!!!!

Karando Random Goods	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton hmmm more lolz killmails if wallmart is selling it I guess... this ESRB american ****tard idiot warning combined with the recent retail distribution announcement is definitly not lolz. at least if they don't decide to remove newbie system griefing rules.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Karando Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton hmmm more lolz killmails if wallmart is selling it I guess... this ESRB american **tard idiot warning combined with the recent retail distribution announcement is definitly not lolz. at least if they don't decide to remove newbie system griefing rules. I see english words, and on their own, they make sense. But when I put them together, it is mind boggling. Originally by:** CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Qordel Also, they've been putting warnings on entertainment for twenty years now. Remember the whole Twisted Sister debacle with Tipper Gore? You do realize that 1.) The ESRB is entirely voluntary. 2.) Aside from it being some sort of guide, is so very unrelated to what happend with the PRMC. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:09:00 - [14] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Qordel Also, they've been putting warnings on entertainment for twenty years now. Remember the whole Twisted Sister debacle with Tipper Gore? You do realize that 1.) The ESRB is entirely voluntary. Considering that's what I wrote, yes, I suppose I do realize that. --
Esna Pitoojee Amarr Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:55:00 - [15] This is most likely a prelude to the "Buy EVE in stores" thing - without an ESRB rating, EVE would be effectively unrated in North America, which is a status that causes certain assumptions (namely, that the game was so nasty that it burned out the eyes of the ratings people and they couldn't finish rating it). It's just move so that fifty gazillion terrified mothers don't decide to boycott CCP and refuse to allow there kids to buy EVE. That said, the average age of an EVE player is what? 23? I suspect the average would be even higher, if it weren't for thousands of Goons dragging it down.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Qordel However, they are publishing - through ATARI - a physical version of the product in retail stores where the little ESRB rating on the box means something. We will find a better place for this notice, but it is not going away. EVE Online is both ESRB and PEGI rated and ESRB has certain requirements that we must fulfill for physical distribution. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:12:00 - [17] In after Explorer. ...but on a serious note, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:20:00 - [18] Think you can post the video you sent to the ESRB, CCP Explorer? I would be curious as to what you consider to be the most brutal and violent parts of EVE -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Qordel Considering that's what I wrote in my very firt response -- yes, I suppose I do realize that. Hey, you should be happy I made it through one post, that was like climbing Mt Everest. I wasn't going back to the base for round two.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Armoured C on 18/01/2009 01:03:12 as long as it not rated by the BBFC i will sell it to all the customer that walk through those GAME doors =) hell i have a eve online tshirt come box day as my manager said i could wear it :) but if there is any CCP employees listening that want to give me stuff to promote there product to everyone that comes through the store i would happily provide my address and return most of the stuff what i said most

Jazerus	Posted - 2009.01.18 04:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Qordel They say the interactions can not be rated. The content can be verified to meet a specific idiotic rating, but the interactions with other players does not fall into that classification. Obviously, CCP would have no interest in dealing with the ESRB. Especially since they're an online game and are not a US company. However, they are publishing - through ATARI - a physical version of the product in retail stores where the little ESRB rating on the box means something. What it means, I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps retailers will no longer bother selling a product that doesn't contain a voluntary rating, for all I know. American retailers don't sell games that are not rated by the ESRB except under very unusual circumstances, so pandering to the ESRB is essentially necessary to gain access to the physical American market. The retailers were burned too many times years ago before ESRB was mandatory by people who would buy violent games for their kids and then try to cause legal trouble for the store they bought it from.
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.18 04:58:00 - [22] Edited by: Jesslyn Daggererux on 18/01/2009 05:00:12 The ESRB was an American made organization that was made by the gaming industry to self regulate so the government wouldn't get involved. If a store chooses to follow it and not allow a 12 year old to buy GTA8: Californication thats their prerogative. It's their store, they have the right to refuse service in some instances. There's nothing wrong with that. If a parent thinks their child can handle Hot Coffee then they can buy it for them, but it's at least a little helpful barrier and guideline to help parents who don't want to research every game their child wants. In America, no game is truly 'Banned', but re-releases have been made. Get over it?
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:02:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Qordel However, they are publishing - through ATARI - a physical version of the product in retail stores where the little ESRB rating on the box means something. We will find a better place for this notice, but it is not going away. EVE Online is both ESRB and PEGI rated and ESRB has certain requirements that we must fulfill for physical distribution. This. What this really means though is that because Walmart refuses to sell any game with the M or AO rating attached to it the game must be rated T if they ever hope to see any kind of meaningful retail distribution. Since Walmart rules the retail world they get the say what lives or dies.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:09:00 - [24] Can't you hide the ESRB warning for subscribers not in the US or other countries that use that rating system?

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:14:00 - [25] EVE has had a ESRB and PEGI rating since release I believe, as it was originally sold in stores back then. The ratings didn't go away but were less important when we only had digital distribution. While there are no legal requirements to have a rating most stores won't sell a game without one, and many stores won't sell games above Teen rated ones, or at least Mature rated ones. Personally I don't think ratings are such a bad thing, at least for parents with kids.

Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:15:00 - [26] Can you throw the ERSB notice either in the splash screen or the "about" section of the escape menu?
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:20:00 - [27] Why does it matter? It's on a page you probably view for less than 1 minute a day, even if you log out and switch characters once in awhile. This isn't a glitch, or a broken mechanic, it's a small little notice. Compared to most games, it is nothing at all. It sounds like it has to be in a readily viewable area, in 2 weeks you wont even notice it. How about we get answers to some real questions, like how can we further nerf Caldari? I want them to be the new "lol Amarr".
Dahak2150 Rowdy Ramblers	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Reathena ESRB? WTF is an ESRB and why does Eve now come with a warning like a pack of cigarettes? Extremely Stupid Regurgitating Buffalo? Especially Silly Ruling Body? Exquisitly Sublime Reality Bliss? Ok, Ok, I know I can look it up and find out that it is some rating service. But really! It's already in the EULA. I don't want to see it every time I log in. Make it go away, please. Welp, it's official, EVE is such a perfect game that this is the worst thing we have to complain about. We salute you CCP.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.18 06:35:00 - [29] When Eve was first released, it was boxed. they changed the name of drugs to boosters to get the T rating so Walmart would sell the game. True story. Eve is a t rated game. that is some effective rating system, ain't it? -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.18 06:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Dahak2150 Originally by: Reathena ESRB? WTF is an ESRB and why does Eve now come with a warning like a pack of cigarettes? Extremely Stupid Regurgitating Buffalo? Especially Silly Ruling Body? Exquisitly Sublime Reality Bliss? Ok, Ok, I know I can look it up and find out that it is some rating service. But really! It's already in the EULA. I don't want to see it every time I log in. Make it go away, please. Welp, it's official, EVE is such a perfect game that this is the worst thing we have to complain about. We salute you CCP. My leg hurts. Fix it CCP! ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.



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