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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:21:00 -
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This is a total nerf to piracy, now I gota go system by system, repair, recharge cap, every time I go threw a damn system man, Including a greater RISK in jumping into a system, what if i crash, node drops, im near a gate, I dont jump, I cant repair or activate anything cause i crashed after i jumped.
There is no point but a annoyance and a muscle out all the small time pirates such as cruisers/frigates and so on.
.4 and lower is semi secure space, how does these robot sentries know what I do in a belt?
If you want to have them, make it so it only effects 1 system. Not EVERY SYSTEM FOR 15 minutes. I feel like going threw .5+ space now in the past when cops werent GOD.
REMOVE IT NOW.
[From Tank CEO]
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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:21:00 -
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This is a total nerf to piracy, now I gota go system by system, repair, recharge cap, every time I go threw a damn system man, Including a greater RISK in jumping into a system, what if i crash, node drops, im near a gate, I dont jump, I cant repair or activate anything cause i crashed after i jumped.
There is no point but a annoyance and a muscle out all the small time pirates such as cruisers/frigates and so on.
.4 and lower is semi secure space, how does these robot sentries know what I do in a belt?
If you want to have them, make it so it only effects 1 system. Not EVERY SYSTEM FOR 15 minutes. I feel like going threw .5+ space now in the past when cops werent GOD.
REMOVE IT NOW.
[From Tank CEO]
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:27:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Redblade
This is a total nerf to piracy, now I gota go system by system, repair, recharge cap, every time I go threw a damn system man, Including a greater RISK in jumping into a system, what if i crash, node drops, im near a gate, I dont jump, I cant repair or activate anything cause i crashed after i jumped.
There is no point but a annoyance and a muscle out all the small time pirates such as cruisers/frigates and so on.
.4 and lower is semi secure space, how does these robot sentries know what I do in a belt?
If you want to have them, make it so it only effects 1 system. Not EVERY SYSTEM FOR 15 minutes. I feel like going threw .5+ space now in the past when cops werent GOD.
REMOVE IT NOW.
[From Tank CEO]
LMAO! 
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Redblade
This is a total nerf to piracy, now I gota go system by system, repair, recharge cap, every time I go threw a damn system man, Including a greater RISK in jumping into a system, what if i crash, node drops, im near a gate, I dont jump, I cant repair or activate anything cause i crashed after i jumped.
There is no point but a annoyance and a muscle out all the small time pirates such as cruisers/frigates and so on.
.4 and lower is semi secure space, how does these robot sentries know what I do in a belt?
If you want to have them, make it so it only effects 1 system. Not EVERY SYSTEM FOR 15 minutes. I feel like going threw .5+ space now in the past when cops werent GOD.
REMOVE IT NOW.
[From Tank CEO]
LMAO!
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:35:00 -
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it's a little overboard..
The Sentry Guns will already fire on people that commit acts of aggression around the guns. And people that commit acts of aggression away from the sentry guns already get a security hit. Not to mention concord in 0.5-1.0 systems.
If someone wants to tank the Sentry Guns in 0.1-0.4.. They become criminally flagged, and this allows other players the ability to fight back against 0.4 gate-campers.
All this Sentry Gun thing does is pick off the criminally flagged players before other players have a chance to pick them off.
Maybe just make 0.9-1.0 Security System guns shoot criminally flagged players.. But leave the sentry guns in 0.1 through 0.8 the way they were before.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:35:00 -
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it's a little overboard..
The Sentry Guns will already fire on people that commit acts of aggression around the guns. And people that commit acts of aggression away from the sentry guns already get a security hit. Not to mention concord in 0.5-1.0 systems.
If someone wants to tank the Sentry Guns in 0.1-0.4.. They become criminally flagged, and this allows other players the ability to fight back against 0.4 gate-campers.
All this Sentry Gun thing does is pick off the criminally flagged players before other players have a chance to pick them off.
Maybe just make 0.9-1.0 Security System guns shoot criminally flagged players.. But leave the sentry guns in 0.1 through 0.8 the way they were before.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:51:00 -
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Yea or even have the criminal flag sentry gun system in .5 or above. But leave .4 and lower out of it.
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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:51:00 -
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Yea or even have the criminal flag sentry gun system in .5 or above. But leave .4 and lower out of it.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:54:00 -
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This is retarded. Not only can I not defend myself because i'm past -5. Sentrys now shoot me all over, which is retarded.
Great way to nerf piracy, especially because once you have chosen that path is rediculous to try and fix your sec.
CCP is not thinking of its customers, they just want to see how it aggrivates them.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:54:00 -
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This is retarded. Not only can I not defend myself because i'm past -5. Sentrys now shoot me all over, which is retarded.
Great way to nerf piracy, especially because once you have chosen that path is rediculous to try and fix your sec.
CCP is not thinking of its customers, they just want to see how it aggrivates them.
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:56:00 -
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REMOVE IT !
Centuria > whoot?
Centuria > you stalking me? :)
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:56:00 -
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REMOVE IT !
Centuria > whoot?
Centuria > you stalking me? :)
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Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Widow on 27/07/2004 22:59:30
Read this post by Rho I really like how hes solved this.
Originally by: Wild Rho
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Ok heres just a rough idea to try out.
0.0 - free for all (woot)
0.0 - empire, free for all but you take sec hits and faction hits etc for being naughty, (sorta woot).
0.1 - Weak sentry guns at the gates and statons. Range approximatly 30kms, do not respond to criminal flag but will act on an aggressive act carried out infront of it.
While it allows PC rats to camp the gate easily enough it also allows for some players to organise a counter attack since the PC rats will probably be criminally flagged meaning "tally ho chaps, choks away!".
0.2 - Stronger Sentry guns at gates and stations. Range approximatly 60kms, slightly more damage or better r.o.f. Same reasoning as above for both pirate and anti pirate.
0.3 - Sentry guns are same range and power. However, criminal flag will carry to guns in the entire system from any aggressive act. Can be avoided with some caution ut there is the risk for the careless pirate. Also more sentry guns at gates and stations (say 4 to 6).
0.4 - Same as above but with a new feature. Aggressive acts commited outside the station will cause the station to launch small groups of frigates (local station defences) that will attack criminals who initiated aggression or are criminally flagged. Each time a wing of frigates is destroyed a new wing is spawned. As criminal actions continue the station keep launching more and more frigate wings until it reaches a set amount.
These wings will be like mid range npc frigates that can warp scramble and webbify a target.
This will mean any form of station camping in this sec system will require good organisation and also means the attackers are at risk of being jumped by anti pirate players while being warp scrmabled by the frigate wings.
0.5 - Same as above again but this time a wing of concord warps in anywhere where an aggressive act has been commited. For each criminally flagged player a wing is generated. The strength of the wing is based on the ship the player is in, for example, a PC rat in a frigate/interceptors would be attacked by a small wing of concord frigates or interceptors, a cruiser would mean a larger group of frigates, a battlship would mean a wing of cruisers and frigates etc.
0.6 - Same as above again but this time the concord wing is stronger than before for each ship class.
0.7 - Same yet again but this time sentry guns have an effective range of 100kms and are much more damamging.
0.8 - Very powerful concord response, sentries remain the same but this time the number is upped to 8 per gate.
0.9 and 1.0 - Sentry gun ranges are at 150kms and leathel even to battleships. Concord is not subtle and will send in a full fleet regardless of size or strength. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Well thats my idea anyway, maybe could do with some balance but it makes piracy and anti piracy possible without crippling either profession, I think.
Id probally tone down the .4 sectors punishment a bit but overall this sounded good to me.
Criticisms welcome, flame will be ignored.
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.27 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Widow on 27/07/2004 22:59:30
Read this post by Rho I really like how hes solved this.
Originally by: Wild Rho
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Ok heres just a rough idea to try out.
0.0 - free for all (woot)
0.0 - empire, free for all but you take sec hits and faction hits etc for being naughty, (sorta woot).
0.1 - Weak sentry guns at the gates and statons. Range approximatly 30kms, do not respond to criminal flag but will act on an aggressive act carried out infront of it.
While it allows PC rats to camp the gate easily enough it also allows for some players to organise a counter attack since the PC rats will probably be criminally flagged meaning "tally ho chaps, choks away!".
0.2 - Stronger Sentry guns at gates and stations. Range approximatly 60kms, slightly more damage or better r.o.f. Same reasoning as above for both pirate and anti pirate.
0.3 - Sentry guns are same range and power. However, criminal flag will carry to guns in the entire system from any aggressive act. Can be avoided with some caution ut there is the risk for the careless pirate. Also more sentry guns at gates and stations (say 4 to 6).
0.4 - Same as above but with a new feature. Aggressive acts commited outside the station will cause the station to launch small groups of frigates (local station defences) that will attack criminals who initiated aggression or are criminally flagged. Each time a wing of frigates is destroyed a new wing is spawned. As criminal actions continue the station keep launching more and more frigate wings until it reaches a set amount.
These wings will be like mid range npc frigates that can warp scramble and webbify a target.
This will mean any form of station camping in this sec system will require good organisation and also means the attackers are at risk of being jumped by anti pirate players while being warp scrmabled by the frigate wings.
0.5 - Same as above again but this time a wing of concord warps in anywhere where an aggressive act has been commited. For each criminally flagged player a wing is generated. The strength of the wing is based on the ship the player is in, for example, a PC rat in a frigate/interceptors would be attacked by a small wing of concord frigates or interceptors, a cruiser would mean a larger group of frigates, a battlship would mean a wing of cruisers and frigates etc.
0.6 - Same as above again but this time the concord wing is stronger than before for each ship class.
0.7 - Same yet again but this time sentry guns have an effective range of 100kms and are much more damamging.
0.8 - Very powerful concord response, sentries remain the same but this time the number is upped to 8 per gate.
0.9 and 1.0 - Sentry gun ranges are at 150kms and leathel even to battleships. Concord is not subtle and will send in a full fleet regardless of size or strength. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Well thats my idea anyway, maybe could do with some balance but it makes piracy and anti piracy possible without crippling either profession, I think.
Id probally tone down the .4 sectors punishment a bit but overall this sounded good to me.
Criticisms welcome, flame will be ignored.
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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:14:00 -
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I dont like the idea of .4 systems.
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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:14:00 -
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I dont like the idea of .4 systems.
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:15:00 -
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Sentry guns protect the citizens of the empires. So, they shoot at naughty people. What is so strange about that?
The only thing I find strange is why CCP allow so many pirates to be in empire compared to non-empire (because it doesn't makes sense from a subscription point of view -- I have nothing against piracy but the current situation is not financially helpful to CCP). I suspect this change is just the first "hint" for the pirates to move out.
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:15:00 -
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Sentry guns protect the citizens of the empires. So, they shoot at naughty people. What is so strange about that?
The only thing I find strange is why CCP allow so many pirates to be in empire compared to non-empire (because it doesn't makes sense from a subscription point of view -- I have nothing against piracy but the current situation is not financially helpful to CCP). I suspect this change is just the first "hint" for the pirates to move out.
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Widow on 27/07/2004 23:20:50
(agreeing that about the .4 comment made by RedBlade)
I agree I think that needs to be toned downed close to the .3 type of defense but overall you have to admit that helps pirates get into the lower sec systems if they try. and lets the empire space travelers have a measure of saftey. It works out much better then haveing uber turrets all round.
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Widow on 27/07/2004 23:20:50
(agreeing that about the .4 comment made by RedBlade)
I agree I think that needs to be toned downed close to the .3 type of defense but overall you have to admit that helps pirates get into the lower sec systems if they try. and lets the empire space travelers have a measure of saftey. It works out much better then haveing uber turrets all round.
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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:27:00 -
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Lets just make .4 and lower 1.0 with concord shall we.
Change the sentry gun system back the way it was. This upgrade is a nerf to piracy, remove it. Here I am, hunting the way you want me too, system to system, belt to belt. Leave me be man, why is this upgrad needed, whats its purpose?
All i does to me is slow down my travel, why is that needed?
[From Tank CEO]
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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:27:00 -
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Lets just make .4 and lower 1.0 with concord shall we.
Change the sentry gun system back the way it was. This upgrade is a nerf to piracy, remove it. Here I am, hunting the way you want me too, system to system, belt to belt. Leave me be man, why is this upgrad needed, whats its purpose?
All i does to me is slow down my travel, why is that needed?
[From Tank CEO]
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:34:00 -
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I would imagine the change wasn't meant to allow you to have an easier time flying around.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:34:00 -
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I would imagine the change wasn't meant to allow you to have an easier time flying around.
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The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:57:00 -
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Well no duh. But im not asking for 'easier' travel, im just asking for the nerf to go away because its not nec.
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Redblade
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Posted - 2004.07.27 23:57:00 -
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Well no duh. But im not asking for 'easier' travel, im just asking for the nerf to go away because its not nec.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.07.28 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: AsheRaven on 28/07/2004 00:27:22
*smiles*
No one is creative these days. If I can survive the criminal flag, I'm sure you seasoned pirates will find a way one day.
Be creative :p
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.07.28 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: AsheRaven on 28/07/2004 00:27:22
*smiles*
No one is creative these days. If I can survive the criminal flag, I'm sure you seasoned pirates will find a way one day.
Be creative :p
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.07.28 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Claus
Sentry guns protect the citizens of the empires. So, they shoot at naughty people. What is so strange about that?
The only thing I find strange is why CCP allow so many pirates to be in empire compared to non-empire (because it doesn't makes sense from a subscription point of view -- I have nothing against piracy but the current situation is not financially helpful to CCP). I suspect this change is just the first "hint" for the pirates to move out.
well i always thought the guns were there to protect the structure not fire on ppl for fun and also what do you think would cause more loss for ccp alot of the pirates population quiting or the odd person who over reacts about dieing
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.07.28 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Claus
Sentry guns protect the citizens of the empires. So, they shoot at naughty people. What is so strange about that?
The only thing I find strange is why CCP allow so many pirates to be in empire compared to non-empire (because it doesn't makes sense from a subscription point of view -- I have nothing against piracy but the current situation is not financially helpful to CCP). I suspect this change is just the first "hint" for the pirates to move out.
well i always thought the guns were there to protect the structure not fire on ppl for fun and also what do you think would cause more loss for ccp alot of the pirates population quiting or the odd person who over reacts about dieing
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