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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2009.01.17 00:50:00 -
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By that I mean, is there some legaleeze that defines my rights as a buyer? I know the EULA and Terms of Service state all the rights of CCP, and all the things I cant do. But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
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Illioe
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Posted - 2009.01.17 00:59:00 -
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Your $15 is basically a contract with CCP; the EULA/TOS are the terms of that contract.
You have no rights.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:04:00 -
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that 15 pounds grants you access to the server , although anything on the server is not your property
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
MasterBlasters Inc.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:05:00 -
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Your $15 gets you a turn in the barrel for when your favorite ship gets nerfed 
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Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:08:00 -
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Your 15$ buys nothing according to some blogger that translated the last EULA
Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Your $15 gets you a turn in the barrel for when your favorite ship gets nerfed
*put in money*
*turns barrel*
hey i got a heavy assault cruiser, wow i still need a tranis and a drake to complete my collection
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
By that I mean, is there some legaleeze that defines my rights as a buyer?
Your rights as a renter, you mean. You don't actually buy anything. You rent the (limited) right to access the system and do stuff inside. You never actually own anything inside. CCP magnanimously promises that they won't mess with the character you created on their system and the stuff it (the character) obtained unless you make them really, really angry or feel like messing with you for some reason.
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But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
They have to allow you access to the system for (most of) the time period you paid for, as long as you follow the general rules of conduct. As soon as you breach any of those rules, you forefit the remaining subscription time, and they can block your access at their leisure. They can also refuse to keep granting you access while investigations are conducted, or simply say "you know, we don't want you anymore" without needing to name a reason.
And that's about the extent of the legalese involved.
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:28:00 -
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not bad for a caldari :)
hating caldari's since... well factional warfare |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 17/01/2009 01:36:53
Oh, oh, wait : you DO have a right.
You have the right to quit your subscription at any time without suffering any financial penalty whatsoever 
Hey, it beats the subscription models mobile phone companies or most ISPs have...
P.S. Just imagine it...
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EVE-Online : FREE* for the first 15 days ! Only 10.95 a month** !
* Subscribing means you enter a binding contract for 24 months. The penalty of early contract cancelling is 299.95. Cancellation must be announced in writing 60 days prior to actual cancellation.
** Only if you pay one year in advance.
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:32:00 -
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I'm not entirely sure, but perhaps ask in the "Exploration" Channel to see if they know. Also be sure to mention "waypost" somewhere in the question, that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
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But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
It's nowhere. It doesn't exist, sadly 
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Diek Ran
Amarr
Autonums
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:33:00 -
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You can give yo stuff to other players.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
im guessing it not bill 
hating caldari's since... well factional warfare |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Captain Pompous
that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
im guessing it not bill
sadly it's not...i'd watch out though if you're not a fan of blue language! 
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:37:00 -
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Actually if we are going to get technical here...
When you create an account, you OWN that account. The account is yours, you are not renting it. You own the account because you pay for it.
Whether or not you have access to it however is up to CCP.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Actually if we are going to get technical here...When you create an account, you OWN that account.
And how, pray tell, do you "own" that account ? The actual bits on the server or what ? I mean, since everything posted by you on any of the CCP sites or using any of the in-game methods AUTOMATICALLY becomes CCP IP as per the terms you agreed on.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:54:00 -
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Non transferable =| Own. |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:56:00 -
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it not thought you account isnt your account as it not your property, it like a log in to the server if you will. nothing is yours. |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.17 02:13:00 -
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American? |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.17 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
I'm not entirely sure, but perhaps ask in the "Exploration" Channel to see if they know. Also be sure to mention "waypost" somewhere in the question, that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
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But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
It's nowhere. It doesn't exist, sadly
I am saddened by your ways, Captain Pompous. |
Taak Coram
Gallente
Outdated Host Productions
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Posted - 2009.01.17 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
I'm not entirely sure, but perhaps ask in the "Exploration" Channel to see if they know. Also be sure to mention "waypost" somewhere in the question, that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
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But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
It's nowhere. It doesn't exist, sadly
As one of the members who likes to answer explorer newb questions, I'd like to call you an evil evil person  .
Don't do it kids. Just 'cause it sounds all official and CCP-like doesn't mean it is.
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Apalonius Christ
KANGC Logistics
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Posted - 2009.01.17 05:17:00 -
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You are guaranteed atleast 30hours a month of downtime.
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State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.17 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Apalonius Christ
You are guaranteed atleast 30hours a month of downtime.
Epic Win...thread over |
Victoria Ehr
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.17 07:05:00 -
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this isn't rocket science man...oh wait you are pretending to fly a space ship nm |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.17 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 17/01/2009 07:38:48
A serious answer:
You get to post here, if CCP feel like it.
You can get to the server, if CCP feel like it.
That's it. You own nothing, you get nothing, and basically, you're paying for nothing.
Joy?  |
PirexJar
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Posted - 2009.01.17 07:54:00 -
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EVERYTHING YOU WANT
sorry made me think of that scene
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Nva Ris
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Posted - 2009.01.17 12:16:00 -
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For $15 CCP lets you rent out their virtual creation. No more, no less.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:31:00 -
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Lotta answers, but no actual source. Ive read the TOS and EULA. There is a lot about what I dont get to do, not much on what I do get to do.
For example, legally, if the server is down for 20 days, did I get what I paid for? I pay for access to the server. If its down, am I getting my service?
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Debonair Dan
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:33:00 -
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you get love long time.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
Lotta answers, but no actual source. Ive read the TOS and EULA. There is a lot about what I dont get to do, not much on what I do get to do.
For example, legally, if the server is down for 20 days, did I get what I paid for? I pay for access to the server. If its down, am I getting my service?
My answer was, by all intentions, apt.
It's right there, they can, if notified, close the server for as long as they want. to some extent even without informing people.
Not compensating this would ofcourse be a PR suicide, but legally, you don't have any rights.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Ahunna
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:45:00 -
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but, if i remember right, in the U.S. a few judges have ruled that software EULA, are not legally binding, it might different for mmo as you have to connect to their servers to play the game, read the EULA on some for your PC games, you'll find, its basically says you paid $50 for a game but they the company can stop letting you play anytime we feel like it
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Illioe
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ahunna
but, if i remember right, in the U.S. a few judges have ruled that software EULA, are not legally binding, it might different for mmo as you have to connect to their servers to play the game, read the EULA on some for your PC games, you'll find, its basically says you paid $50 for a game but they the company can stop letting you play anytime we feel like it
It also matters since you can't actually play the game without connecting to CCP's servers. Even if the EULA doesn't apply, that won't get you anywhere because CCP does not have any legal obligation to provide the service. The caveat to this is that if CCP decided to shut down EVE without refunding remaining subscription time, the right court may order them to do that, but no more.
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Incendi
Gracious Bodily Harm
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:08:00 -
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It gives you the right to get drunk and lose everything you spent 6 months to accumulate, in one stupid engagement.
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Bintalla
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:21:00 -
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Simply put the the $15 dollars a month technically is for having an account and keeping it active beyond the Trial period.
Your characters information is stored in their servers database and you are paying for the little bit of storage your character and all it's items earned in game hold.
So while people can try to get nit picky and legal over what rights you have that is basically what you are getting.
Break their EULA/TOS and they can deny you the ability to access that storage area.
THey could if they wanted to delete and reuse the space your character holds when your $15 a month rent on it is not paid but majority of online games do not do this although they state that they may after a set period of time but i have yet seen one that does and the time period is usually stated in the TOS.
So in the interest of banning and non-payment the only thing that is truly denied access to the server is your account on which the characters reside.
You the real person on the otherhand are still not banned and since your character has no rights at all you can't say your rights have been violated.
I see all the people that throw up laws from all different countries and what not but they fail to realize that those rights apply to the real person and in no way shape or form apply to the account/characters that reside in the game and that is what truly gets blocked.
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Joe Pesci
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:22:00 -
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$15 gives you 30 days of character training time and access to the server should it be up and working over the same period. |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Pesci
$15 gives you 30 days of character training time and access to the server should it be up and working over the same period.
Stealth downtime whine? |
CHAOS100
Black Plague.
Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:56:00 -
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All EULAs mention that you own no right to the game and do not have the right to crack it/reverse engineer it/etc. It also usually mentions that they can revoke your right at any time and hold no responsibility to keep the online servers online.
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CCP does not guarantee that it will continue to offer access to the System or support the Game. CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any or all of the services offered in connection with EVE (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game), terminate the EULA, close all Accounts and cancel all of the rights granted to you under the EULA. CCP may communicate such termination to you upon 30 days notice in any of the following manners: (i) when you log into your Account; (ii) in a notice on CCP's website; (iii) via electronic mail; or (iv) in another manner that CCP deems suitable to inform you of the termination. If CCP terminates the EULA pursuant to this section, you will not receive a refund of prepaid subscription fees.
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i. Suspension of Account
Without limiting CCP's rights or remedies, CCP may immediately, and without notice, discontinue or suspend access to the System through your Account, and any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the discontinued or suspended Account, in the event of (i) a breach of the EULA (including the Rules of Conduct) by you or any user under your Account; or (ii) unauthorized access to the System or use of the Game by you or any user under your Account.
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While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
You don't have rights to jack.
In a RL case, a university in my city right now has its workers on strike. All classes are canceled, and has been on strike since november and continues now, so that means they have lost their entire academic year. So all 60,000 students have paid several thousand dollars for tuition for the year that they were supposed to get, and they wont be getting it back.
Most organizations and businesses don't have to do anything for you unless it is specifically stated in the contract. |
Ezael Whiteshadow
Caldari
Divine Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.01.17 19:05:00 -
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A banana, a pony and a trumpet. |
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