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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2009.01.17 00:50:00 -
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By that I mean, is there some legaleeze that defines my rights as a buyer? I know the EULA and Terms of Service state all the rights of CCP, and all the things I cant do. But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
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Illioe
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Posted - 2009.01.17 00:59:00 -
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Your $15 is basically a contract with CCP; the EULA/TOS are the terms of that contract.
You have no rights.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:04:00 -
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that 15 pounds grants you access to the server , although anything on the server is not your property
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
MasterBlasters Inc.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:05:00 -
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Your $15 gets you a turn in the barrel for when your favorite ship gets nerfed 
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Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:08:00 -
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Your 15$ buys nothing according to some blogger that translated the last EULA
Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Your $15 gets you a turn in the barrel for when your favorite ship gets nerfed
*put in money*
*turns barrel*
hey i got a heavy assault cruiser, wow i still need a tranis and a drake to complete my collection
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
By that I mean, is there some legaleeze that defines my rights as a buyer?
Your rights as a renter, you mean. You don't actually buy anything. You rent the (limited) right to access the system and do stuff inside. You never actually own anything inside. CCP magnanimously promises that they won't mess with the character you created on their system and the stuff it (the character) obtained unless you make them really, really angry or feel like messing with you for some reason.
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But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
They have to allow you access to the system for (most of) the time period you paid for, as long as you follow the general rules of conduct. As soon as you breach any of those rules, you forefit the remaining subscription time, and they can block your access at their leisure. They can also refuse to keep granting you access while investigations are conducted, or simply say "you know, we don't want you anymore" without needing to name a reason.
And that's about the extent of the legalese involved.
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:28:00 -
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not bad for a caldari :)
hating caldari's since... well factional warfare |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 17/01/2009 01:36:53
Oh, oh, wait : you DO have a right.
You have the right to quit your subscription at any time without suffering any financial penalty whatsoever 
Hey, it beats the subscription models mobile phone companies or most ISPs have...
P.S. Just imagine it...
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EVE-Online : FREE* for the first 15 days ! Only 10.95 a month** !
* Subscribing means you enter a binding contract for 24 months. The penalty of early contract cancelling is 299.95. Cancellation must be announced in writing 60 days prior to actual cancellation.
** Only if you pay one year in advance.
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:32:00 -
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I'm not entirely sure, but perhaps ask in the "Exploration" Channel to see if they know. Also be sure to mention "waypost" somewhere in the question, that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
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But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
It's nowhere. It doesn't exist, sadly 
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Diek Ran
Amarr
Autonums
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:33:00 -
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You can give yo stuff to other players.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
im guessing it not bill 
hating caldari's since... well factional warfare |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Captain Pompous
that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
im guessing it not bill
sadly it's not...i'd watch out though if you're not a fan of blue language! 
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:37:00 -
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Actually if we are going to get technical here...
When you create an account, you OWN that account. The account is yours, you are not renting it. You own the account because you pay for it.
Whether or not you have access to it however is up to CCP.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Actually if we are going to get technical here...When you create an account, you OWN that account.
And how, pray tell, do you "own" that account ? The actual bits on the server or what ? I mean, since everything posted by you on any of the CCP sites or using any of the in-game methods AUTOMATICALLY becomes CCP IP as per the terms you agreed on.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:54:00 -
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Non transferable =| Own. |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.17 01:56:00 -
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it not thought you account isnt your account as it not your property, it like a log in to the server if you will. nothing is yours. |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.17 02:13:00 -
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American? |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.17 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
I'm not entirely sure, but perhaps ask in the "Exploration" Channel to see if they know. Also be sure to mention "waypost" somewhere in the question, that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
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But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
It's nowhere. It doesn't exist, sadly
I am saddened by your ways, Captain Pompous. |
Taak Coram
Gallente
Outdated Host Productions
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Posted - 2009.01.17 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
I'm not entirely sure, but perhaps ask in the "Exploration" Channel to see if they know. Also be sure to mention "waypost" somewhere in the question, that gets you an extra-special, four-lettered answer!
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But where the stuff that says what CCP has to do for me?
It's nowhere. It doesn't exist, sadly
As one of the members who likes to answer explorer newb questions, I'd like to call you an evil evil person  .
Don't do it kids. Just 'cause it sounds all official and CCP-like doesn't mean it is.
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Apalonius Christ
KANGC Logistics
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Posted - 2009.01.17 05:17:00 -
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You are guaranteed atleast 30hours a month of downtime.
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State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.17 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Apalonius Christ
You are guaranteed atleast 30hours a month of downtime.
Epic Win...thread over |
Victoria Ehr
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.17 07:05:00 -
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this isn't rocket science man...oh wait you are pretending to fly a space ship nm |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.17 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 17/01/2009 07:38:48
A serious answer:
You get to post here, if CCP feel like it.
You can get to the server, if CCP feel like it.
That's it. You own nothing, you get nothing, and basically, you're paying for nothing.
Joy?  |
PirexJar
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Posted - 2009.01.17 07:54:00 -
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EVERYTHING YOU WANT
sorry made me think of that scene
(not a rick roll) |
Nva Ris
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Posted - 2009.01.17 12:16:00 -
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For $15 CCP lets you rent out their virtual creation. No more, no less.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:31:00 -
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Lotta answers, but no actual source. Ive read the TOS and EULA. There is a lot about what I dont get to do, not much on what I do get to do.
For example, legally, if the server is down for 20 days, did I get what I paid for? I pay for access to the server. If its down, am I getting my service?
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Debonair Dan
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:33:00 -
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you get love long time.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
Lotta answers, but no actual source. Ive read the TOS and EULA. There is a lot about what I dont get to do, not much on what I do get to do.
For example, legally, if the server is down for 20 days, did I get what I paid for? I pay for access to the server. If its down, am I getting my service?
My answer was, by all intentions, apt.
It's right there, they can, if notified, close the server for as long as they want. to some extent even without informing people.
Not compensating this would ofcourse be a PR suicide, but legally, you don't have any rights.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Ahunna
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Posted - 2009.01.17 15:45:00 -
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but, if i remember right, in the U.S. a few judges have ruled that software EULA, are not legally binding, it might different for mmo as you have to connect to their servers to play the game, read the EULA on some for your PC games, you'll find, its basically says you paid $50 for a game but they the company can stop letting you play anytime we feel like it
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