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Joran Dravius
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:05:00 -
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Really? This needed another thread? |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:44:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:you know neckbears would have sum it up in less words
Neckbears? Are they furry and sparkle in sunlight?
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
490
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:06:00 -
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Mmmmmm furryyyy
EVE is a game for adults. While gaming is now socially accepted pastime, adults often have less free time to dedicate to games.
Oh and your sociopath thing is pure bullshit, btw. But you knew that already, didn't you.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:37:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Tippia wrote:Alyssa Yotosala wrote:EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known. No, it's not. It is full of people who cannot separate game from reality, and who exhibit feelings of victimisation or persecution along with poor emotional controlGǪ almost suggesting some form of BPD or schizophrenia. I actually agree. Mittens seems to have a signficant difficulty with that reality/game thing. "im drunk" defense roflmao
You seem to have a problem with that reading thing. He specifically declined to excuse himself for being drunk. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
337
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:37:00 -
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Actually...
I don't think there are as many sociopaths as people think. It only appears there are due the the amount of people complaining about the few that are there.
The game for the most part is pretty peacefull for most doing their thing, or those fighting sov wars. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:07:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Posting to confirm that I played a Tauren Restoration Shaman, thus I can throw glowing leaves around and spend my afternoons chewing grass in the back-yard. "The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."
I'm a cute gnomish healer (priest) and there are no sociopaths in WoW. |
Gantz Tleilax
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:09:00 -
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I play Eve because it's harder than your average mmo and kicks your ass at times, I've been playing for almost 3 years now and still there is so much to see and learn.
This is what makes it not popular. But if it was any different I wouldn't be playing it. |
Ersteen Hofs
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Alyssa Yotosala wrote:EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known. No, it's not. It is full of people who cannot separate game from reality this argument is kind of old, and it does not work. the person who conducts sociopathic behavior in game obviously compensates for the lack of ability to conduct the same way in real life due to fear of law or the lack of social options or whatever else. but this person still ENJOYS sociopathic behavior which makes it not a likable person for most people. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:36:00 -
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Ersteen Hofs wrote:this argument is kind of old, and it does not work. GǪby which I can only assume that you're referring to the sociopath argument, since it's not something that can be read from a game GÇö especially one where gameplay dictates a different behaviour than real life. In factGǪQuote:the person who conducts sociopathic behavior in game obviously compensates for the lack of ability to conduct the same way in real life due to fear of law or the lack of social options or whatever else. GǪthat pretty much means they're not sociopaths since the defining characteristic of APD is that those RL inhibitions don't exist. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:50:00 -
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Oh Tippits, haven't you learned yet that all your silly "facts" and "logic" just don't mean nearly as much as what I feel to be true? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
135
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:45:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Alyssa Yotosala wrote:EVE isnt as popular as other MMO's because only those who are hard enough to handle being greifed by sociopaths stay on long enough to fall in love with the game.
EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known. Hell, even CCP has some working for them ( Goon members ).
Now some may argue that this is good for EVE, as weak minded people have been so harrassed by sociopathic behaviour that they have been effectively run out of town, leaving only a hardened minority behind.
But that still doesnt change the perception that EVE gets in the gaming world at large. And that is a well deserved perception, as it is based upon years of fact.
It seems to me that CCP does not want EVE to get too popular. Im not even sure that Tranquility can handle millions of active players without immense capital investment.
But at the end of the day, what makes EVE so horrible ( its sociopathic players ), is also what makes it so good. EVE is hard. If EVE was easy, and everybody got along holding hands and singing koom bai ya (sp), it would be as boring as hell. No risk means rewards have no value.
The disturbed people who play this game make it hard, and that is a good thing in the end, as I would much rather have a game overrun by sociopathic behaviour than overrun with the immature childish hate-spweing behaviour you see in other "sing-along" MMO's and multiplayer console games.
Keep EVE hard. This all falls flat because you assume the people playing the game are the same as their characters in-game.
It's hard to doubt that sometimes when you are sitting in a chatroom listening to them. I won't get into specifics, but lets just say there isn't that much difference imo, and the fine line between character and character is actually only defined by what you can do in game and can't do out of game in many cases.
It would be nice to think everybody was roleplaying, but the reality is that many are not and they really aren't much different in real life. Of course that doesn't mean they would or do murder people because there is a big difference between that and shooting ships in a game. Still, in most cases a bully is a bully though.
Most of what is translates between game and real life is simply attitude and basic psychology. Actions in game are sort of like words in real life. Words in game are somewhere between that and personal thoughts that you might not actually say in real life.
Doesn't apply to everybody of course. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Ersteen Hofs
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ersteen Hofs wrote:this argument is kind of old, and it does not work. GǪby which I can only assume that you're referring to the sociopath argument, since it's not something that can be read from a game GÇö especially one where gameplay dictates a different behaviour than real life. In factGǪ what gameplay dictates to go and suicide gank newbie mining barges en masse? there is no profit in this other than pervert enjoyment of causing other people troubles. unless it's a bot barge of course.
Quote:Quote:the person who conducts sociopathic behavior in game obviously compensates for the lack of ability to conduct the same way in real life due to fear of law or the lack of social options or whatever else. GǪthat pretty much means they're not sociopaths since the defining characteristic of APD is that those RL inhibitions don't exist. I never said otherwise.
all those formal definitions are only good for law, but if you want to know what the person really is, it's enough to know that he enjoys the same activities sociopaths enjoy (even though not in the same world) which means that they have something in common. that's enough for me.
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
336
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:02:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Xanthia Grint
Phoenix Security Consolidated
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:05:00 -
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Alyssa Yotosala wrote:EVE isnt as popular as other MMO's because only those who are hard enough to handle being greifed by sociopaths stay on long enough to fall in love with the game.
EVE is chock full of sociopaths. This is known. Hell, even CCP has some working for them ( Goon members ).
Now some may argue that this is good for EVE, as weak minded people have been so harrassed by sociopathic behaviour that they have been effectively run out of town, leaving only a hardened minority behind.
But that still doesnt change the perception that EVE gets in the gaming world at large. And that is a well deserved perception, as it is based upon years of fact.
It seems to me that CCP does not want EVE to get too popular. Im not even sure that Tranquility can handle millions of active players without immense capital investment.
But at the end of the day, what makes EVE so horrible ( its sociopathic players ), is also what makes it so good. EVE is hard. If EVE was easy, and everybody got along holding hands and singing koom bai ya (sp), it would be as boring as hell. No risk means rewards have no value.
The disturbed people who play this game make it hard, and that is a good thing in the end, as I would much rather have a game overrun by sociopathic behaviour than overrun with the immature childish hate-spweing behaviour you see in other "sing-along" MMO's and multiplayer console games.
Keep EVE hard.
Fanboi Spotted
And i agree with none of the above, eve is small because the tutorials are pure **** and even friends of mine who have played harder games than this and have played countless MMO's could not understand it.
Where doe's it say u need tanks? How to fit your ships?
Doesnt
Your is just a fanboi post :) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6186
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:26:00 -
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Ersteen Hofs wrote:what gameplay dictates to go and suicide gank newbie mining barges en masse? Not dictates as in GÇ£forcesGÇ¥, but dictates as in GÇ£says that it's acceptableGÇ¥. That's the entire issue with trying to use the term in a game: what is considered not conforming to normality when normality means beating your opponent to a pulp as early and as often as possible, or otherwise trying to gain any advantage possible? Trying to bankrupt your friends is very anti-social, but it's the norm in Monopoly.
Shooting people in the face is morally reprehensible; in CS, it's actively rewarded (as is knifing people in the neck). Making people drown in the pool is very very nasty; in The Sims, it's hilarious and will help you satisfy some of your sims' aspirations. Ethnic cleansing is pretty much the worst crime defined; in Civ, it's how you lord it over your room-mate who chose the bookish approach.
Quote:all those formal definitions are only good for law, but if you want to know what the person really is, it's enough to know that he enjoys the same activities sociopaths enjoy (even though not in the same world) which means that they have something in common. that's enough for me. But then you're not talking about APD any more, but about your personal preference in how others should interact with you, which are so far from being normative that it becomes unmeasurable and meaningless for everyone else. As a result, it is also not knowable, since the evaluation on what you think is GÇ£enough to knowGÇ¥ becomes entirely subjective and open to interpretation and perceived context GÇö again, see Monopoly, CounterStrike, The Sims, Civ. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:47:00 -
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Trolling, locked. ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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