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Cindy McCain Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 10:09:00 - [31] boosh 2nd page
Karlen Velro Caldari Kurtz's Kommandos	Posted - 2009.01.19 15:08:00 - [32] tbf to traps i was the one that suggested u blobbed, im not complaining about it per se just suggesting that it might be a signal that ur pvp alliance isnt actually a pvp alliance . any tactic that fits within EULA is acceptable in eve (luckily enough ) but perhaps talking of little fish trying to make a splash is one of those pot - kettle situations i hear so much about
M'ing Pai Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.19 15:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Roleplay As for us blobbing , if you guys actually roamed in small groups i promise you that there will be small skirmishes aplenty to be found , cu in tama sometime as i cba to waste my playtime camping a station listening to nothing but smack from you guys in local as you play docking games Obviously you aren't aware that smacktalking is against our rules? Feel free to forward all such smacktalk to Nexa, and I promise disciplinary action will be taken upon the offender. In other words, I don't believe you. Our pilots don't smacktalk from inside the station. In still other words: proof or STFU. As for your Tama comment, why don't you guys come over to Amamake instead? That way, you could meet our friends there instead of us meeting your friends in Tama.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:32:00 - [34] Originally by: M'ing Pai As for your Tama comment, why don't you guys come over to Amamake instead? That way, you could meet our friends there instead of us meeting your friends in Tama. You war dec'd us so naturally you are meant to come to us. War targets are not the pizza delivery boy why should they come to you? The infrastructure is there to replace losses without many problems for any of the more experience players. Some of the, hmm how can I be diplomatic about it, less knowledgable players will die over and over again. This means one of two things they either adapt or leave allaince either way we end up with better players on the whole. War is the pruning process by which you find who actually has it in them to stick it out and do something worth while. Night's Dawn has never claimed to be a PvP allaince, there is no definate direction infact. Some corps are alligned heavier in certain directions than others with there being a split between missioners, pvpers, miners, down right griefers, and a whole bunch of Indy guys. Right now we operate out of 0.0, lowsec and highsec and recruitment is minimal unless its by absorbtion of new corps into the allaince. I don't keep chat logs, after a few years it got messy so now I just dont bother. Hey maybe I am wrong a war targets a war target after all I pay little attention which corp they are from. TL;DR version: -Your war so you come to us. -ND isn't a PvP allaince. -More pewpew k thanks. -Maybe you aren't talking smack but I don't like you anyway.
M'ing Pai Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Jufer You war dec'd us so naturally you are meant to come to us. War targets are not the pizza delivery boy why should they come to you? Actually, we didn't dec you. You harbored 2 corps we had a legitimate beef with. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Originally by: Jufer The infrastructure is there to replace losses without many problems for any of the more experience players. Some of the, hmm how can I be diplomatic about it, less knowledgable players will die over and over again. This means one of two things they either adapt or leave allaince either way we end up with better players on the whole. War is the pruning process by which you find who actually has it in them to stick it out and do something worth while. Is this the policy of your entire alliance? Why did you allow ILOE, who obviously fail at self defense even though they like to run their mouths off instead of negotiate, into your alliance to begin with? Sounds like fail to me. Also sounds like your leadership doesn't care about its members. I hope your alliance mates read this and realize they're worthless to you if they aren't as skilled as you. Originally by: Jufer Night's Dawn has never claimed to be a PvP allaince, there is no definate direction infact. Some corps are alligned heavier in certain directions than others with there being a split between missioners, pvpers, miners, down right griefers, and a whole bunch of Indy guys. Right now we operate out of 0.0, lowsec and highsec and recruitment is minimal unless its by absorbtion of new corps into the allaince. If your alliance has no mission statement and no plans to work together, why have an alliance in the first place? Sounds like more fail waiting to happen. It's obvious from your talk that you guys don't give a rat's ass about your pilots. Originally by: Jufer I don't keep chat logs, after a few years it got messy so now I just dont bother. Hey maybe I am wrong a war targets a war target after all I pay little attention which corp they are from. So you levy accusations without even being sure of them yourself? What kind of person are you? Obviously not an honest one. I think we're wardeccing the right alliance for the right reasons. The attitude you've displayed here is absolutely dispicable.
Alexis Acantha Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 05:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Shaloran Kalior I'll stop playing docking games if you do :p B1idz's station manager must have been getting dizzy the number of times that Drake undocked and redocked :) No kidding! I had point and drones on him a number of times. It's times like that you wish there was a scam for docking! Quote: I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible
IntegralHellsing Gallente Elite Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:23:00 - [37] i had good fights against Night's Dawn last year in Mara system. (0.4 yarr) AFAIK they don't smack if the opponent is willing to fight, and even says 'gf' when they lose. don't remember them smacking me at all for all those months we had fights. maybe you guys need to 'bring it' and they might respect you a bit :P --------------------------------------
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:04:00 - [38] Originally by: IntegralHellsing I had good fights against Night's Dawn last year in Mara system. (0.4 yarr) AFAIK they don't smack if the opponent is willing to fight, and even says 'gf' when they lose. don't remember them smacking me at all for all those months we had fights. maybe you guys need to 'bring it' and they might respect you a bit :P Yeah thats it pretty much, we show respect where it is deserved any war dec corp that dec's random Indy corps like ILOE doesn't deserve respect. If anything they deserve some after a hiccup today where an ILOE member though solo setup/taking down of POS's in a freighter was a good idea. You can imagine how that ended, or just read Pyra's blog entry: http://www.nights-dawn.com/ The smack is an issue against these wts but not something ND is known for, we can't be perfect can we. In reply to the points raised by M'ing Pai: 1-Your the one paying the bill hence its your war, you can cancel it at anytime. This makes it your war dec so you dec'd us even if it was simply by the fact ILOE joined ND. 2-They learn by dying, this is the same for everyone who plays EVE if its too harsh a world for you then either quit EVE or live in a noob corp. It isn't simply that I don't care about the noobs, the point I was making is the ones who can survive war stay the ones who die leave. This makes us a better alliance. With regards to ILOE, they are new if they struggle in our allaince they will leave its happened before will probally happen again. I am quite happy with their participation and what they have to offer right now making them a useful part of the allaicne especially for our 0.0 ventures. 3-I never said there was was no joint targets or goals. As you can see we have a 0.0 venture right now so there is that along with some production plans headed by the indy corps. Then theres the usual small gang PvP thing that binds us together as corps I said we have no unified direction but that never meant we don't work together. The alliance is a jack of all trades expert at none good at many. 4-Yes I am a bad person do I bend over now or later? Morals isn't exactly high on my list of priorities when it comes to internet spaceships sorry I don't meet your high expectations. I really have no problem with the war its all good reduces the fat in the allaince and keeps me with something to do.
Nirtulys Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver traps, the really awful players confirming, I'm really awfull player
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Jufer Originally by: IntegralHellsing they don't smack if the opponent is willing to fight, and even says 'gf' when they lose. don't remember them smacking me at all for all those months we had fights. maybe you guys need to 'bring it' and they might respect you a bit :P Yeah thats it pretty much, we show respect where it is deserved any war dec corp that dec's random Indy corps like ILOE doesn't deserve respect. Your guys instantly started smacktalking the second they saw me in a system. We had no chance to "prove our worth" or "bring it". The smack was heavy and immediate. This is where you make no sense either. ILOE was not a random dec. Secondly, if you think that decing random corps is so bad and not deserving of respect, how is it you sit and can flip people in high sec and kill them? I am talking mission runners and miners. That is basically the same thing. Picking on people who have no clue what they're doing or what's going on. When you do stuff like that and then act disrespectful towards us, it's a bit hypocritical if you ask me. Originally by: Jufer If anything they deserve some after a hiccup today where an ILOE member though solo setup/taking down of POS's in a freighter was a good idea. They deserve respect for taking down a POS alone in a freighter? How do you figure? I can guarantee if TRAPS did that, there would be plenty of smacking about how stupid and sucky we are in doing something so foolish. Originally by: Jufer The smack is an issue against these wts but not something ND is known for, we can't be perfect can we. No, you can't be perfect. I noticed the smack has stopped from some of the pilots who were quite mouthy when I first met them. I did enjoy the Drake pilot who was ratting in high sec with his ship named "Grow balls, Stop Hiding" who, when I engaged, warped out due to stabs then sat there and said how lame I was and all that good stuff. More hypocrisy. In reply to the points raised by M'ing Pai: Originally by: Jufer 1-Your the one paying the bill hence its your war, you can cancel it at anytime. This makes it your war dec so you dec'd us even if it was simply by the fact ILOE joined ND. No, it really makes it just as much your war since you accepted not one, but two corps knowing full well we had war against them. Originally by: Jufer 2-They learn by dying, this is the same for everyone who plays EVE if its too harsh a world for you then either quit EVE or live in a noob corp. It isn't simply that I don't care about the noobs, the point I was making is the ones who can survive war stay the ones who die leave. This makes us a better alliance. This sounds a bit different than your original statement. Originally by: Jufer With regards to ILOE, they are new if they struggle in our allaince they will leave its happened before will probally happen again. I am quite happy with their participation and what they have to offer right now making them a useful part of the allaicne especially for our 0.0 ventures. Sounds to me like you're using each other. Them to hide behind you and you using them as meatshields and production ***s. Whatever works though. Originally by:** Jufer 3-I never said there was was no joint targets or goals.Then theres the usual small gang PvP thing that binds us together as corps I said we have no unified direction but that never meant we don't work together. Dunno, it seemed to take a while before any of the pvp came out and around. Originally by: Jufer 4-Yes I am a bad person do I bend over now or later? Morals isn't exactly high on my list of priorities when it comes to internet spaceships sorry I don't meet your high expectations. To each their own. Say one thing and do another, that's fine. We're not like that. We have set rules the corp abides by. We're very well known for it and I take a bit of pride in that.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Nexa Necis Your guys instantly started smacktalking the second they saw me in a system. We had no chance to "prove our worth" or "bring it". The smack was heavy and immediate. This was after the AF kill I believe where we had got a fleet of (care)bears together to come hunt. After hours of fruitless searching and far too much effort to kill lame AF it doesn't suprise me they were trying to provoke a fight. Originally by: Nexa Necis This is where you make no sense either. ILOE was not a random dec. Secondly, if you think that decing random corps is so bad and not deserving of respect, how is it you sit and can flip people in high sec and kill them? I am talking mission runners and miners. That is basically the same thing. Picking on people who have no clue what they're doing or what's going on. Well from the version of the story I heard you was chasing a corp hopper, a fruitless act anyway and your past war decs have been very carebear orientated. Yes I have suicided and can flipped but it isn't the only thing I do. Check the killboard you will see very few non war target kills. It is all part of the game one offs are not an issue its making it the basis to your game play that is wrong. Originally by: Nexa Necis They deserve respect for taking down a POS alone in a freighter? How do you figure? I can guarantee if TRAPS did that, there would be plenty of smacking about how stupid and sucky we are in doing something so foolish. Think you misread this bit a tad, check the link and Pyras associated blog. Pfft wartargets can't even tell when your showing a degree of respect whats wrong in New Eden today. Originally by: Nexa Necis No, it really makes it just as much your war since you accepted not one, but two corps knowing full well we had war against them. We don't mind the war we got 2 new corps out of it, they have strong ties to each other so when one wanted to join the other came too. Originally by: Nexa Necis This sounds a bit different than your original statement. In which case either I didn't make myself clear enough in which case I appologise or you didn't read what I said carefully. Originally by: Nexa Necis Sounds to me like you're using each other. Them to hide behind you and you using them as meatshields and production ***s. Whatever works though. You just hit the purpose of an allaince bang on the head. Together we complete each other :). Originally by:** Nexa Necis Dunno, it seemed to take a while before any of the pvp came out and around. Yep due to the deployment in 0.0 there is a lot less people around its a bit better now things are setup but still it seems like PvPer+0.0=Carebear its instanteous reaction wont last long tho. Originally by: Nexa Necis To each their own. Say one thing and do another, that's fine. We're not like that. We have set rules the corp abides by. We're very well known for it and I take a bit of pride in that. Rules... what is this madness. We are very libral in return we get plenty of war dec's due to stupid people being stupid not the end of the world really. Free war decs ftw.
Benedic Minmatar The Aftermath	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:55:00 - [42] This amount of crying is precisely the reason that people smack to begin with.
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:32:00 - [43] If we're going to talk about respect, how about having the respect to post your losses on your killboard? TRAPS kb vs Night's Dawn shows 30 kills and 13 losses. Yours shows you have killed 11 (not posting all kills??) and lost 15(!).
M'ing Pai Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:51:00 - [44] Edited by: M''ing Pai on 20/01/2009 16:53:27 Originally by: Jufer 4-Yes I am a bad person do I bend over now or later? Morals isn't exactly high on my list of priorities when it comes to internet spaceships sorry I don't meet your high expectations. I really have no problem with the war its all good reduces the fat in the allaince and keeps me with something to do. Making accusations without being sure of them yourself has little to do with internet spaceships my friend. It also has little to do with you personally being a bad person. All it does is hurt your credibility, and if you can't see that, far be it from me to explain it to you. Go right ahead, you'll be the laughingstock, not any of us. I will hand this to you: Lying and cheating in game don't necessarily reflect your personal mores, this is true. When those lies are made public, however, it does reflect in your in game reputation. For instance, you'd be a fool to trust a Goon. I'll let you work it out from there.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 17:12:00 - [45] Originally by: M'ing Pai Edited by: M''ing Pai on 20/01/2009 16:53:27 Originally by: Jufer 4-Yes I am a bad person do I bend over now or later? Morals isn't exactly high on my list of priorities when it comes to internet spaceships sorry I don't meet your high expectations. I really have no problem with the war its all good reduces the fat in the allaince and keeps me with something to do. Making accusations without being sure of them yourself has little to do with internet spaceships my friend. It also has little to do with you personally being a bad person. All it does is hurt your credibility, and if you can't see that, far be it from me to explain it to you. Go right ahead, you'll be the laughingstock, not any of us. I will hand this to you: Lying and cheating in game don't necessarily reflect your personal mores, this is true. When those lies are made public, however, it does reflect in your in game reputation. For instance, you'd be a fool to trust a Goon. I'll let you work it out from there. Goonies aint all that bad. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, I can never be 100% certain whether I am right or not, the same can be said for everyone. I will go back to thinking that you smack in local quite happily if thats how you preferred it. This is how I remeber it so I'll just stick with it then. Also with regards to me being a bad person I role played and never realised, the second I start writing a post I write in character.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 17:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Shaloran Kalior If we're going to talk about respect, how about having the respect to post your losses on your killboard? TRAPS kb vs Night's Dawn shows 30 kills and 13 losses. Yours shows you have killed 11 (not posting all kills??) and lost 15(!). CBA to edit so I'm double posting go me. Yes we are aware of the issue and its currently being resolved. Several corps are API linked and the remaining will be when our KB guy gets all the CEO full API's, you can spell out how to post a kill but some people just won't or don't know how to post them. API linking was our answer to this problem and will be implemented asap.
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:19:00 - [47] Would you like some help? I'll evemail you all the lossmails you're missing (hell, I'll throw in the killmails too) starting with Pyrasanth's Domi killed on 2009.01.18 at 20:35:00
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:29:00 - [48] I wouldn't say their smack was to provoke a fight. Not when it's blatantly obvious there is a blob on the other sides of the gates and I am all alone. The smack came from several different people at several different encounters. As I said, the smack from the original ND people seems to have stopped, however the ILOE and Terminal guys are quite happy to keep it up for the rest of the alliance. I looked at your KB and see quite a few high sec kills against non-war targets, most of which look like they were missioning or mining. I don't get how that makes you any better than us. With us, corps are given fair warning by Concord and they also have a chance to negotiate. You go around picking on random self-defenseless noobs just as much as we do. To say we suck for doing so and deserve no respect due to our play style is absurd when you're doing something that's almost identical. I have to say, you mentioned the cohesiveness of ILOE and Terminal and the alliance as a whole. I think the ball was dropped at some point and what seems to be a reoccurring situation, the details are rarely shared within the corp and/or alliance. The reason I say this is that the Fenrir pilot Udran convoed me after we blew up his freighter. He was extremely upset. Now, mind you, I am going off of what he has told me. He asked why the war started to begin with. Now that is a pretty stupid to me. I think it would've been answered long before in corp emails or joint ops chat between ILOE and Terminal, or even after they joined the alliance because I filled the alliance diplos in on the situation as well. He claims that no one in ILOE ever mentioned that TRAPS was open to negotiations or that they had attempted to negotiate and dropped the ball by never getting back to me. He said Terminal people never mentioned it either. I asked if the alliance explained the reasons of the war and how to settle it, he said there was no such email or discussion. He said basically the head guys of ILOE branched out into their own corps and jumped ship on ILOE leaving him with the top spot of CEO and never once mentioned we would negotiate. To me, that's a crappy way to run a corp. Udran said he wanted to pay then claimed he was flat broke and didn't have enough ISK to cover the fees. He finally agreed to pay, and reneged and lied so he will be hunted for his entire Eve life by us, our alts and our friends who do favors for us. So a word to the wise, do not trust any negotiations by a Night's Dawn member. They will lie and try to scam you to their advantage. We will of course be decing the splinter corps from ILOE and Terminal. We will also eventually sneak in alts/friends to pop people from witin. Last time we got a guys fully loaded freighter with about 8bil in goodies in it using that tactic. Hans Gates warned you about us. He said we are tenacious and have a very long memory and will always be out to get you one way or another. I mean the guy we dec'd ILOE over was in a corp several months ago that we had dec'd. We never let it die. If anyone wants to dec a few small corps who might run into an alliance and provide you with alliance wars on the cheap, convo/email me for details.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:30:00 - [49] Shal, enough with their KB issues. They're aware of it. The horse is long dead.
pentinor Minmatar Project Nemesis	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:10:00 - [50] Lol Nights dawn.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:10:00 - [51] Originally by: Nexa Necis I wouldn't say their smack was to provoke a fight. Not when it's blatantly obvious there is a blob on the other sides of the gates and I am all alone. We didn't know whether you did or didn't use scouts, now we have found that you do you will have seen a lot less effort from us in terms of 'smack enough and hopefully he will undock and try to pwn the bait' tactics. Please evemail names of people smack talking to both Lt Weiss, and their respective CEO. It is a CEO's responsibility to make sure some sort of standard are kept, failing that Lt Weiss is your man. Originally by: Nexa Necis I looked at your KB and see quite a few high sec kills against non-war targets, most of which look like they were missioning or mining. I don't get how that makes you any better than us. With us, corps are given fair warning by Concord and they also have a chance to negotiate. You go around picking on random self-defenseless noobs just as much as we do. To say we suck for doing so and deserve no respect due to our play style is absurd when you're doing something that's almost identical. Yes we kill noobs, yes we can flip, yes we bait missioners into a painful death. These all rely on one thing the agro mechanic a painful learning experience but one that is often appreciated by the victim. Most victims that don't instantly smack on local are treated with respect and I have often told them where their mistakes were made. Wars are slightly different as there is no easy way out if you want to stay in your corp or atleast not one governed by CCP. Does this make us morally better than you or vica-versa no, I wasn't trying to claim the moral high ground. Regarding communication the freighter pilot obviously has serious mental issues if that is his claim; he is either trying to play you or is one clown short of a circus. We were willing to accept ILOE in as well as Terminal Logic with very little knowledge of them on good faith. If they really are that bad it will come to the surface in some epic drama, explode for a week, and they end up removed and all is happy again. I remember a corp joining the allaince who were all girls... they turned out to all be guys pretending to be girls getting the horn over doing so. Now that was an epic drama! In short we can good trust your word against them at face value so we give them a chance see what happens, whilst having a war against active targets. Originally by: Nexa Necis So a word to the wise, do not trust any negotiations by a Night's Dawn member. They will lie and try to scam you to their advantage. Sorry but thats a generalisation right there, theres a big difference between a corp and allaince. Alliance CEO's run the allaince as a whole, with a core group the founding corps having the major say, if in doubt once again speak to Lt Weiss. I would like to emphasise also ransoms have been honored and fee's to end wars once paid have promptly ceased hostilities. Originally by: Nexa Necis We will of course be decing the splinter corps from ILOE and Terminal. We will also eventually sneak in alts/friends to pop people from witin. Last time we got a guys fully loaded freighter with about 8bil in goodies in it using that tactic. Glad to hear you are decing the splinters, with regards to getting spies in its easy enough go for it but the chance of finding assets worth shooting are minimal. Trade on large levels is done with neutral freighter alts, I personally have a couple and will not reveal their names even to people I have trusted for several years. You can continue the war as long as you wish but I doubt it will ever result in a disbandment of the allaince. Friends, and friends of friends would be called in when times get tough to ensure survival. A lot of effort has been put into the running of ND and its not another Triumvirate no matter how tough it gets the core will still remain. Good luck, I am sure you will see plenty of me soon.
Lorzion Minmatar IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:27:00 - [52] wow ND gets decced, and they havn't asked us to dec traps to help?
Marius Deterium Caldari The Hull Miners Union Primary.	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:29:00 - [53] TRAPS, you guys rule. Your shinanagins never cease to entertain me. NIght's Dawn.... hmmm, can't even hold the shift key at the right time. Fail. --- Mining hulls for the juicy goods inside. Good...bad, I'm the guy with the gun.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Lorzion wow ND gets decced, and they havn't asked us to dec traps to help? If you bought like 100rr bs they would never undock, were having too much fun to be sucking up quite yet. <3 IDLE Originally by: Marius Deterium NIght's Dawn.... hmmm, can't even hold the shift key at the right time. Fail. /me points at Lt Weiss, it was Night's Dawn until someone didn't pay the bill.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 05:56:00 - [55] Here's the proof of the lie and scam that Udran pulled... EVE System > Channel changed to Ivih Local Channel Udran > o come on Udran > you want money Nexa Necis > you had your chance to pay Nexa Necis > now you die He foolishly attempted to logoffski well into structure. We probe him out and pop his pod. He then convos me having a bit of a meltdown.... Udran > what **in payment? Nexa Necis > apparently your diplos didnt tell you Nexa Necis > they asked if they could negotiate Nexa Necis > i said yes Nexa Necis > they said they would get back to me Nexa Necis > and never did Nexa Necis > i said either boot adenallen or pay 250mil Udran > hes GONE! He doesn't seem to understand that just because my original surrender offer was to boot Adenallen or pay up 250mil ISK doesn't mean that offer is still on the table. I mean ILOE hired several mercs and joined an alliance to avoid us. The fee would go up and be a bit higher as was explained to the ND diplos several times. Nexa Necis > you want the tower and stuff? you can pay for it Udran > how much? Nexa Necis > figure its worth at least 500mil Udran > 400? fine thats all I have Nexa Necis > once sec Udran > hello? Udran > either now or not? Nexa Necis > im confering with corp Udran > off then Someone is not happy to say the least. Nexa Necis > if all you got is 400mil thats fine Nexa Necis > we wont agress you and you can come clear out your stuff Nexa Necis > ask around, we keep our word Udran > hell no Nexa Necis > so you dont want it? Udran > I do Udran > but I don't trust you Nexa Necis > bro dishonoring deals is bad for business Udran > you're bad for this game Nexa Necis > ok Nexa Necis > im trying to make a deal since it looks like your corp didnt fill you in on everything Udran > nope told me nothin at all Nexa Necis > thats pretty bad man Nexa Necis > i talked to celardore too Udran > I just took the reins Nexa Necis > talked to morpheus Nexa Necis > talked to 2 others in ILOE Udran > 250M? Udran > since I wasn't told of the reason of how to drop the dec in the first place Nexa Necis > thats pretty ty they didnt share it Udran > ya I know He thinks I am making stuff up about talking to ILOE and Terminal and ND diplos. So I link him the chat logs. He agrees to pay. Nexa Necis > you gonna pay then? Udran > hold on Nexa Necis > as i said soon as you send the isk we leave and let only you come and go Udran > hold on, I need to restart the EVE client Nexa Necis > k hurry then Udran > 10 minutes? Nexa Necis > sounds like stall tactics Nexa Necis > no offense Udran > its not So he logs out, logs his alt in, snags stuff out of the POS, logs back in, tries small talk to keep stalling, then blocks me and the corp from mailing him. I'd email the CEO of his corp, but it's his alt. Direct Weiss over to the thread to see. As far as no worthwhile targets to shoot at while in corp, there are always those mission runners with their faction BS's who would be plenty **ed to lose a ship like that to a corpmate who's actually a spy. I have no problem being civil and good sports with your alliance. You just have to realize that smack talking right off the bat with completely unjustified insults regardless of the reason for them is in poor character, especially when your alliance head specifically told me that smack talk isn't tolerated. Insulting us for picking on newbs when you do the same thing is also a bit silly and makes you look like idiots. We seem to play along similar paths with somewhat similar ethics so no reason not to be civil. I don't expect you guys to disband. I do hope to keep generating some tears, defectors and extremely fun events like the freighter kill which was my first on Nexa if you can believe it.
Udran Caldari Industrial Legion of EVE NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.21 07:16:00 - [56] Ms. Necis, All I have to say is one day you're going to get your time! Go ahead post you're stuff to keep the pirates stroking their epeen and how small it is. I admit I did something stupid/wrong, its life and you learn from you're mistakes. I almost gave up on this game just because of how you're "grieving" tactics had me to the end, but hey its a game and I'M HERE TO STAY! O by the way I heard that you left Ivih after BSs from ND came. All you are able to do is run like a ***** with you're tail between your legs and hide in Seil. Afraid to lose another ship? One more thing I know you're other alts now.
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 07:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Nexa Necis Shal, enough with their KB issues. They're aware of it. The horse is long dead. Sorry boss. Pet hate o' mine. Done here
Karlen Velro Caldari Kurtz's Kommandos	Posted - 2009.01.21 09:07:00 - [58] [" I remember a corp joining the allaince who were all girls... they turned out to all be guys pretending to be girls getting the horn over doing so. Now that was an epic drama!" thats messed up man , i would have kept the name of the corp and sold the information on the forums "corp of females who love to chat with lads and want to join YOUR alliance!!", sort of like one of those " do u want to meet fit singles in ur area?... txt "suck my ****" to 078737337 and send us ur mortgage details and we'll give u a call". its funny, seems the KD guys and nexa are starting to agree on stuff () and then the udran idiot comes along and loses eve. no one cares if u stay or go mate and bragging about ur alliance scaring people off and nexa having his "..tail between his legs" when ud just spent the day hiding from him and had to be saved by ur corpies is pretty weak. nothing wrong with what happened in game but coming on the forums to throw your metaphorical weight around is fail in many regards
StrikerStarr Gallente Industrial Legion of EVE NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:22:00 - [59] So someone posted a link i came here to see this. I would like to first point out i was the only Diplomat for ILOE and not once did any traps member contact me, and still have yet to talk to me. A note was sent to a CEO who had not been on for 3 weeks. Secondly Traps has dec'ed almost 50 small indy corps since April. All with the same story. you have a man in your corp we want him out. then it turns to he has an alt we want him out to. then the list grows. Thats how it works, the person who Nexa had a mark on had left the corp and he still wont leave that person alone. And for the other corps out there. ILOE had long been looking for low sec ops. Traps seems to believe for some reason that every action we take now is in direct relation to them. We have actaully moved on weeks ago to get busy doing what an indy corp does build. We dont feed this stuff as Nexa really enjoys feedback. We have now gotten used to reds in high sec and have learned to manuever around that. Striker
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:50:00 - [60] Originally by: Udran Ms. Necis, All I have to say is one day you're going to get your time! Go ahead post you're stuff to keep the pirates stroking their epeen and how small it is. I admit I did something stupid/wrong, its life and you learn from you're mistakes. I almost gave up on this game just because of how you're "grieving" tactics had me to the end, but hey its a game and I'M HERE TO STAY! O by the way I heard that you left Ivih after BSs from ND came. All you are able to do is run like a *** with you're tail between your legs and hide in Seil. Afraid to lose another ship? One more thing I know you're other alts now. Posting to confirm that Udran is possibly the worst CAOD poster in EVE, never mind ND. The no smack talk think you agreed to wasn't for the s and giggles! They are playing the game how it is meant to be played, now you have to adapt or die. If things carry on how they are ILOE will be ripped apart from the inside due to simply moving along the same way as you always have at a time when something obviously has to change. You **ed up, you died, if I was you I would have dropped a gf and that been the end of it. Your corp has a spy in it, and Nexa is making good use of that fact to know who you are where you are and what you are flying. To be fair I would be stroking my epeen too they are doing a great job of ripping you apart another show of Darwinism in EVE. Underhand tactics aren't the way we play the game, don't like that then go else where.

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