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Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:07:00 - [1] Once again our war targets have jumped to an alliance to avoid us. Initially we dec'd a corp called Industrial Legion of Eve. They had an old war target of ours in corp and since that war target never paid, we told them we would follow them indefinitely until they do. So the dec went through and I was convoed by several people from ILOE claiming to be diplomats. They initiated negotiations but never got back to me. I was going to offer that either they boot the person from corp or pay 250mil. Since they never got back to me, the war raged on. Another corp dec'd us called Terminal Logic. Terminal claims to be friends with ILOE while ILOE claims that is their "pvp" wing. Conflicting stories as usual. Regardless it proved to be a lot of fun. Both of them brought ships aplenty to fight and there were wins and losses on both sides with the wins in our favor overall. I was even convoed by some alliance person who ILOE had applied to. Once I showed him why we decd them and their subsequent smack talk, he opted to not let them in their alliance. Wise choice. Instead they ran and hid into an alliance called Night's Dawn. One of their diplos convoed me and I explained the reason for the war and such. They asked what could be done to end it. I explained at this point ILOE would need to pay up for all their smack talk and such. I was explained to that Night's Dawn doesn't allow smacktalk and they offered to have the ILOE guys apologize. Lt Weiss > I apologize for that Lt Weiss > my guys never should speak in local Lt Weiss > I apologize and if you feel approriate I will have them draft and apology letter Then I was brought into a group convo with REPO attempting to mediate the situation. Lt Weiss > if you wish to continue the war against Night's Dawn that would be your choice Lt Weiss > but the member you said you wanted removed has been removed Hans Gates > Nexa follows some very simple rules, he will stay the course untill it is complete, I know that of him. Lt Weiss > so that should be the end of the issue Nexa Necis > it would originally Nexa Necis > prior to them hiring people, prior to them jumping into your alliance to avoid us Nexa Necis > them paying 250mil is a joke Nexa Necis > thats hella cheap Lt Weiss > if they should continue to stay at war that is ok with us I just simply didnt want to be at war with friends of REPO Lt Weiss > well gentleman thank you for your time the member has been removed as a condition and a courtesy to TRAPS and REPO I hope that this solves the issue Hans as always thank you for your time. Good Evening o7 I never once agreed to end the war at that point based on them removing the original target. So I renewed the war actually and we kept on killing them. Then finally some of the ND people start showing up in local. Guess what follows? Yep, smacktalk. Completely unsolicited mind you. They had popped a Ishkur a few mins prior several jumps away from me. Another guy of mine in an Ishkur jumped in and died. Ishkur vs Harbi and Phoon. Nothing to brag about, right? Wrong! Pyrasanth > when u want to pvp and not let your corp mates die then give me a shout Pyrasanth > u don't even help ur friends Pyrasanth > u and ur corp suck fairly badly Nexa Necis > we suck so bad make the war mutual and leave it running all year :) Pyrasanth > theres no point, u don't even fight Pyrasanth > u don't, even when we enage your so called gangs u sit in stations Pyrasanth > fail is fail dude Pyrasanth > killing a drake every now and then is fine, its not really going to bother anyone Pyrasanth > u and urs are a waste of time lol Pyrasanth > say thanks for the assault frig kills btw Pyrasanth > for the all **** you talk u really can't back anything up With all his smack he refused to fight me alone. He decided to bait me on the station. When he saw his Claymore couldn't take my Domi, he docked and waited for backup.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:08:00 - [2] [ 2009.01.17 17:40:38 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II hits Pyrasanth [DHARM]<ND>(Claymore), doing 46.2 damage. [ 2009.01.17 17:40:39 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable. I mean if I suck so bad, surely a Claymore can kill me and my crappy Dominix, no? Apparently not. I convoed their diplo to ask why such hostile talk since they claimed previously that they don't allow such behavior. He claimed I lied about retracting the war and that I talked smack about them on our killboard. As you can see, I never agreed to dropping the war at any point. If you look at our KB, all it says is that ILOE pulled the typical cheap move of running into an alliance to hide from us. It said nothing about the ND alliance at all. Even the ND diplo conceded that ILOE ended up joining hastily due to the war against them. ILOE also hired several mercs to kill us as well which ND alliance denies. So somehow, 2 completely unrelated random corps dec'd TRAPS and another corp named Muppet Ninja's who also had ILOE decd? Anyone else buying that ILOE had nothing to do with hiring mercs? Me neither. We also ended up decing Terminal Logic as well who also ended up running into the ND alliance. We just renewed the war fees on them and it will go on for a few more weeks at least. I cannot guarantee we will win every fight as we are greatly outnumbered as usual. I can guarantee we will inflict much more damage than the surrender fee that was offered.
Kylezanto Minmatar The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:09:00 - [3] First is an awesome thread!
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:18:00 - [4] 2nd! Looking forward to some fun :) Post with your main!
M'ing Pai Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:22:00 - [5] More smacktalk from an alliance that doesn't smack. Good going, Lt Weiss. I think Major was spot on about you: Neoxi Teta > pai you can uncloak now x_X Pyrasanth > So Falcon, Domi, Astarte and u won't engage? Nexa the FC by chance? Pyrasanth > u guys need a new CEO This was news to me that there were 4 of us, since I was the one in a falcon. Neoxi Teta > and FC xD Pyrasanth > oh look I can wait in station for the mission runners...yawn....oh you're dead? Sorry guys I was docked up as usual Neoxi Teta > lol and autopilot during war awww.... Neoxi Teta > Not sure what he was refering to with the AP comment. I'm guessing he was talking about the first kill against an AF, but since I was in direct communication with that person during the engagement, AP seems unlikely. Kind of funny to be proud of 2 separate AF kills when you're sporting a Harbi and a Phoon. Double webs on an AF and poof. Not something I'd consider smack worthy
Alexis Acantha Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:27:00 - [6] What they're saying is basically that they don't allow smack talk UNLESS it's to someone that smacked first? Since when do smack talk rules have contingencies? What makes it even more ludicrous is Nexa's stand on smalk talk in general. Quote: I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible
Alexis Acantha Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:39:00 - [7] Originally by: M'ing Pai Neoxi Teta > and FC xD Pyrasanth > oh look I can wait in station for the mission runners...yawn....oh you're dead? Sorry guys I was docked up as usual Neoxi Teta > lol and autopilot during war awww.... Neoxi Teta > As the alleged AP pilot, I can assure anyone that reads this that I never use AP, even in peace times. I actually warped to the gate at zero, and tried to jump through before and upon being engaged. Because of lag I was unable to jump or activate my repper, and even after my ship popped, couldn't get away to save my pod. We'll see how that petition goes... Quote: I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible
Kanya Nague Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 20:44:00 - [8] Need more EVE-pirate stories! :D
Vandamsel Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.01.17 20:49:00 - [9] Go TRAPS Go
Haakelen Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Kanya Nague Need more EVE-pirate stories! :D This tbh.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Nexa Necis Once again our war targets have jumped to an alliance to avoid us. Initially we dec'd a corp called Industrial Legion of Eve. They had an old war target of ours in corp and since that war target never paid, we told them we would follow them indefinitely until they do. So the dec went through and I was convoed by several people from ILOE claiming to be diplomats. They initiated negotiations but never got back to me. I was going to offer that either they boot the person from corp or pay 250mil. Since they never got back to me, the war raged on. Another corp dec'd us called Terminal Logic. Terminal claims to be friends with ILOE while ILOE claims that is their "pvp" wing. Conflicting stories as usual. Regardless it proved to be a lot of fun. Both of them brought ships aplenty to fight and there were wins and losses on both sides with the wins in our favor overall. I was even convoed by some alliance person who ILOE had applied to. Once I showed him why we decd them and their subsequent smack talk, he opted to not let them in their alliance. Wise choice. Instead they ran and hid into an alliance called Night's Dawn. One of their diplos convoed me and I explained the reason for the war and such. They asked what could be done to end it. I explained at this point ILOE would need to pay up for all their smack talk and such. I was explained to that Night's Dawn doesn't allow smacktalk and they offered to have the ILOE guys apologize. Lt Weiss > I apologize for that Lt Weiss > my guys never should speak in local Lt Weiss > I apologize and if you feel approriate I will have them draft and apology letter Then I was brought into a group convo with REPO attempting to mediate the situation. Lt Weiss > if you wish to continue the war against Night's Dawn that would be your choice Lt Weiss > but the member you said you wanted removed has been removed Hans Gates > Nexa follows some very simple rules, he will stay the course untill it is complete, I know that of him. Lt Weiss > so that should be the end of the issue Nexa Necis > it would originally Nexa Necis > prior to them hiring people, prior to them jumping into your alliance to avoid us Nexa Necis > them paying 250mil is a joke Nexa Necis > thats hella cheap Lt Weiss > if they should continue to stay at war that is ok with us I just simply didnt want to be at war with friends of REPO Lt Weiss > well gentleman thank you for your time the member has been removed as a condition and a courtesy to TRAPS and REPO I hope that this solves the issue Hans as always thank you for your time. Good Evening o7 I never once agreed to end the war at that point based on them removing the original target. So I renewed the war actually and we kept on killing them. Then finally some of the ND people start showing up in local. Guess what follows? Yep, smacktalk. Completely unsolicited mind you. They had popped a Ishkur a few mins prior several jumps away from me. Another guy of mine in an Ishkur jumped in and died. Ishkur vs Harbi and Phoon. Nothing to brag about, right? Wrong! Pyrasanth > when u want to pvp and not let your corp mates die then give me a shout Pyrasanth > u don't even help ur friends Pyrasanth > u and ur corp suck fairly badly Nexa Necis > we suck so bad make the war mutual and leave it running all year :) Pyrasanth > theres no point, u don't even fight Pyrasanth > u don't, even when we enage your so called gangs u sit in stations Pyrasanth > fail is fail dude Pyrasanth > killing a drake every now and then is fine, its not really going to bother anyone Pyrasanth > u and urs are a waste of time lol Pyrasanth > say thanks for the assault frig kills btw Pyrasanth > for the all **** you talk u really can't back anything up With all his smack he refused to fight me alone. He decided to bait me on the station. When he saw his Claymore couldn't take my Domi, he docked and waited for backup. GG Nexa, and please write more eve-pirate stories. --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Aaron Mirrorsaver Gallente R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:18:00 - [12] traps, the really awful players ------ RECON is recruiting
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:25:00 - [13] :( I'm kinda sad, cause it's preferable you wait till the situation has concluded, that way, once we read your story, we'll have the whole story. Now, once this is all over, and you post it in Eve-Pirate, we'll already know 3/4's of the story, and not enojoy it as much.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:29:00 - [14] yarrr? hating caldari's since... well factional warfare
Major Dickdick Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:12:00 - [15] Lol morons, I can has wardec them too soon, when yours end tbfh.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:22:00 - [16] Yeah I'd rather write a story on Eve-Pirate but I've been working a LOT of overtime so that plus when I log in, I try to kill people as much as I can. I haven't been camped in much, so maybe since Night's Dawn said I will be perma-docked due to their extreme camping abilities, I will have time to write a giant story on Eve Pirate. I will be posting a new thread here though. I just got one of the best threat mails from the head of a large alliance because we stole his mission loot and salvaged his mission. He made a ton of over the top threats which will be comedy gold! Just wait.
NoMoreLies Caldari Project Nemesis	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:41:00 - [17] Good to see you still having fun Nexa. Give our regards to Night's Dawn __________________________
XJennieX Minmatar Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2009.01.18 09:13:00 - [18] so you are following around and harassing one particular player? pretty much harassment in my opinion. oh well. i hope he understands to petition so you can get what you deserve.
Generalkey Caldari Primary Industries	Posted - 2009.01.18 09:20:00 - [19] Quote: Good to see you still having fun Nexa. Give our regards to Night's Dawn only because pron failed to do so.
herindoors x Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.18 10:29:00 - [20] Originally by: XJennieX so you are following around and harassing one particular player? pretty much harassment in my opinion. oh well. i hope he understands to petition so you can get what you deserve. I see you understand how this game allows players to function. Do please petition your next loss to mission NPCs.
Sorrowed Gallente Shade. Penumbra Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:16:00 - [21] This is an awsome thread. So, if i smack you in your system you will wardec my alliance and then follow me around like a fan boy for the next 2 years? Where do i sighn up?
Karlen Velro Caldari Kurtz's Kommandos	Posted - 2009.01.18 12:03:00 - [22] we dec'ed ND not that long ago and they decided to get a merc alliance to dec us back (all 11 of us ) have fun with these guys but watch yourself, the minute u start getting kills in equal fights they revert to bait traps with epic blobs nearby (4 bc's, 2 bs and a BB for my one little CS )
Lorzion Minmatar IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:43:00 - [23] Edited by: Lorzion on 18/01/2009 16:43:47 Lols p.s. I <3 you ming. convo me sometime you gay.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Karlen Velro we dec'ed ND not that long ago and they decided to get a merc alliance to dec us back (all 11 of us ) have fun with these guys but watch yourself, the minute u start getting kills in equal fights they revert to bait traps with epic blobs nearby (4 bc's, 2 bs and a BB for my one little CS ) I totally believe this. Even though they claim TRAPS sucks and we're a waste of their time, they spent a heckuva lot of time focusing on us this weekend. Their bait traps are total fail and so obvious. Last night I went out hunting and found their blob. Their uber tactic was to undock a Drake on the station and get me toENGAGE, while their BACKUP sat on the gate next door. They make no sense. I mean they say TRAPS suck, they say I suck, they say we're a waste of time. Yet they had 10 of em sitting waiting on camping me and trying to catch me in a weak ass bait tactic? I mean you really need 4 Drakes, Geddon, Mega, Cerb, Phoon and a few others just to take out 1 Dominix piloted by someone you say sucks at pvp? I took their bait and watched them try to bumrush me. They failed of course. They put out the call to anyone in Empire to sit and hang in Poinen because that way, they can easily blob any of us who show up. I did notice there was no smack talk last night. I wonder why?
fugazii Minmatar the undivided Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.01.18 19:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Nexa Necis Originally by: Karlen Velro we dec'ed ND not that long ago and they decided to get a merc alliance to dec us back (all 11 of us ) have fun with these guys but watch yourself, the minute u start getting kills in equal fights they revert to bait traps with epic blobs nearby (4 bc's, 2 bs and a BB for my one little CS ) I totally believe this. Even though they claim TRAPS sucks and we're a waste of their time, they spent a heckuva lot of time focusing on us this weekend. Their bait traps are total fail and so obvious. Last night I went out hunting and found their blob. Their uber tactic was to undock a Drake on the station and get me toENGAGE, while their BACKUP sat on the gate next door. They make no sense. I mean they say TRAPS suck, they say I suck, they say we're a waste of time. Yet they had 10 of em sitting waiting on camping me and trying to catch me in a weak ass bait tactic? I mean you really need 4 Drakes, Geddon, Mega, Cerb, Phoon and a few others just to take out 1 Dominix piloted by someone you say sucks at pvp? I took their bait and watched them try to bumrush me. They failed of course. They put out the call to anyone in Empire to sit and hang in Poinen because that way, they can easily blob any of us who show up. I did notice there was no smack talk last night. I wonder why? If you willingly dec someone who you know can blob you, you cannot complain once they do. It's like smoking then complaining once you get cancer. Buying T2 BPOs, send mail or convo!
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.18 23:49:00 - [26] Seen as the diplo doesn't read CAOD and quite rightly so with the constant blow my own trumpet, whilst making myself look like an idiot, posts from random war dec corps. TRAPS have been well boring to fight to be fair. They fight around the Poinen area, a major mission hub and expect PvP they say. Utter bull**** to be fair they wanted another war dec where they could take out mission runners with ease, an easy fight not to PvP. When we decided to come fight we did and you took losses too, no suprise with Falcon fits such as this: http://killboard.nights-dawn.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8281 So you want a fight come to Tama you will get one, as thats where the majority of PvPers tend to roam around. The war decs you have recieved have nothing to do with Night's Dawn command if random members felt it necessary so be it. Right now we will happily play dock/undock games for as long as we please. We will blob you at will you war dec'd us, theres this nice window that can show you how many ppl an allaince has dont want to get blobbed try using some common sense and pick someone the same size. Tareek always trys to resolve problems in a diplomatic manor for a change a wts demand was reasonable so we met them. We have no problem fighting the war it makes the others not look as lonely on the list. Another little fish thinking they can make splashes in the pond, try looking at our killboard see where we have been and what we are up to instead of making the presumtion that 'WE ARE PWNING THEM!!!11one!!'. GF's and plz come again. :)
Roleplay Caldari Krieger Allianz NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.19 00:39:00 - [27] You guys are extremely boring to fight , your best pvp tactic is keeping within the footprint of the nearest station :( We got a nice even fight with you guys tonight and i hope to see more of that , hell i even lost a BS , but its a small price to pay for a fight to be honest. As for us blobbing , if you guys actually roamed in small groups i promise you that there will be small skirmishes aplenty to be found , cu in tama sometime as i cba to waste my playtime camping a station listening to nothing but smack from you guys in local as you play docking games
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:32:00 - [28] Good to see ND people responding but you failed to read my words. I never said we were owning you. I never said anything about the nature of your alliance. All I said was that your alliance diplos were claiming I lied and dishonored an agreement. The agreement was never made obviously. I pointed out your diplo stated that smack talk is not policy and he offered to have people apologize, yet every time I saw your "pvp" crowd all they did was talk trash right off the bat. I never once complained about them blobbing. I pointed out that when I find them one on one they stall for reinforcements and then smacktalk when I am then outnumbered 10 to 1. I pointed out the obvious bait and blob tactics. I saw you guys had a pretty square fight. Too bad I missed it. Though it was funny because your Domi pilot docked with me and didn't make a move until the rest of you arrived. We're averaging 1 person on each kill whereas you're averaging 3 people per kill. So we do plenty of solo hunting. Moreso than you guys. Not sure what you mean by small gang roaming, but all I see are people in Poinen sitting on stations or groups of 10+ roaming/camping. Not exactly small, but I guess it depends on your definition. As you said though, TRAPS are boring to fight, we suck, we cannot pvp against skilled people like yourselves, so there is nothing to worry about. Go on missioning in your CNR's and jaunt around with haulers filled with hundreds of millions in loot inside them for us to kill. I never claimed we win every fight, every war, and every encounter. I never claimed we don't get camped and outnumbered. It was your alliance you questioned our abilities and insulted our character. Keep harboring corps who can't fight their own battles. You don't see us running and hiding behind an alliance. The war will rage on for a while. Sit in Tama and Geminate while we plunder the carebears. Works for us. I could care less who we kill or what they're in. I took a moment to check out how badass your killboard was looking. It's more laughable than ours. For example, I looked at your last 50 kills. 12 pods, 19 haulers, 1 mining barge, 5 AF/Inty, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 recon, 3 frigs, 2 BS and 1 BC. WOW! Now that is pretty badass. 19 haulers and you're making fun of us for decing people who supposedly can't put up a decent fight? Our last 50 kills show 8 BS, 4 BC, 12 cruisers, 3 pods, 3 frigs, 3 AF/Inty, 12 haulers, 3 barges, 1 HIC, 1 Ibis, 1 destroyer. 14 of those 50 were your alliance. We are definitely putting in the effort. As you said though, TRAPS is a big waste of time. See you out there.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:40:00 - [29] Rofl, I am getting a lot of emails about Night's Dawn. I got this one... 2009.01.18 16:43 Nights Dawn is a blue of ours that to be honest are complete and total noobs that are friends of my ceo. They hangout in Ihakana and w-3 in geminate. Keep em coming!
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.19 10:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Roleplay You guys are extremely boring to fight , your best pvp tactic is keeping within the footprint of the nearest station :( We got a nice even fight with you guys tonight and i hope to see more of that , hell i even lost a BS , but its a small price to pay for a fight to be honest. As for us blobbing , if you guys actually roamed in small groups i promise you that there will be small skirmishes aplenty to be found , cu in tama sometime as i cba to waste my playtime camping a station listening to nothing but smack from you guys in local as you play docking games I'll stop playing docking games if you do :p B1idz's station manager must have been getting dizzy the number of times that Drake undocked and redocked :) Post with your main!
Cindy McCain Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.19 10:09:00 - [31] boosh 2nd page
Karlen Velro Caldari Kurtz's Kommandos	Posted - 2009.01.19 15:08:00 - [32] tbf to traps i was the one that suggested u blobbed, im not complaining about it per se just suggesting that it might be a signal that ur pvp alliance isnt actually a pvp alliance . any tactic that fits within EULA is acceptable in eve (luckily enough ) but perhaps talking of little fish trying to make a splash is one of those pot - kettle situations i hear so much about
M'ing Pai Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.19 15:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Roleplay As for us blobbing , if you guys actually roamed in small groups i promise you that there will be small skirmishes aplenty to be found , cu in tama sometime as i cba to waste my playtime camping a station listening to nothing but smack from you guys in local as you play docking games Obviously you aren't aware that smacktalking is against our rules? Feel free to forward all such smacktalk to Nexa, and I promise disciplinary action will be taken upon the offender. In other words, I don't believe you. Our pilots don't smacktalk from inside the station. In still other words: proof or STFU. As for your Tama comment, why don't you guys come over to Amamake instead? That way, you could meet our friends there instead of us meeting your friends in Tama.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.19 18:32:00 - [34] Originally by: M'ing Pai As for your Tama comment, why don't you guys come over to Amamake instead? That way, you could meet our friends there instead of us meeting your friends in Tama. You war dec'd us so naturally you are meant to come to us. War targets are not the pizza delivery boy why should they come to you? The infrastructure is there to replace losses without many problems for any of the more experience players. Some of the, hmm how can I be diplomatic about it, less knowledgable players will die over and over again. This means one of two things they either adapt or leave allaince either way we end up with better players on the whole. War is the pruning process by which you find who actually has it in them to stick it out and do something worth while. Night's Dawn has never claimed to be a PvP allaince, there is no definate direction infact. Some corps are alligned heavier in certain directions than others with there being a split between missioners, pvpers, miners, down right griefers, and a whole bunch of Indy guys. Right now we operate out of 0.0, lowsec and highsec and recruitment is minimal unless its by absorbtion of new corps into the allaince. I don't keep chat logs, after a few years it got messy so now I just dont bother. Hey maybe I am wrong a war targets a war target after all I pay little attention which corp they are from. TL;DR version: -Your war so you come to us. -ND isn't a PvP allaince. -More pewpew k thanks. -Maybe you aren't talking smack but I don't like you anyway.
M'ing Pai Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Jufer You war dec'd us so naturally you are meant to come to us. War targets are not the pizza delivery boy why should they come to you? Actually, we didn't dec you. You harbored 2 corps we had a legitimate beef with. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Originally by: Jufer The infrastructure is there to replace losses without many problems for any of the more experience players. Some of the, hmm how can I be diplomatic about it, less knowledgable players will die over and over again. This means one of two things they either adapt or leave allaince either way we end up with better players on the whole. War is the pruning process by which you find who actually has it in them to stick it out and do something worth while. Is this the policy of your entire alliance? Why did you allow ILOE, who obviously fail at self defense even though they like to run their mouths off instead of negotiate, into your alliance to begin with? Sounds like fail to me. Also sounds like your leadership doesn't care about its members. I hope your alliance mates read this and realize they're worthless to you if they aren't as skilled as you. Originally by: Jufer Night's Dawn has never claimed to be a PvP allaince, there is no definate direction infact. Some corps are alligned heavier in certain directions than others with there being a split between missioners, pvpers, miners, down right griefers, and a whole bunch of Indy guys. Right now we operate out of 0.0, lowsec and highsec and recruitment is minimal unless its by absorbtion of new corps into the allaince. If your alliance has no mission statement and no plans to work together, why have an alliance in the first place? Sounds like more fail waiting to happen. It's obvious from your talk that you guys don't give a rat's ass about your pilots. Originally by: Jufer I don't keep chat logs, after a few years it got messy so now I just dont bother. Hey maybe I am wrong a war targets a war target after all I pay little attention which corp they are from. So you levy accusations without even being sure of them yourself? What kind of person are you? Obviously not an honest one. I think we're wardeccing the right alliance for the right reasons. The attitude you've displayed here is absolutely dispicable.
Alexis Acantha Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 05:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Shaloran Kalior I'll stop playing docking games if you do :p B1idz's station manager must have been getting dizzy the number of times that Drake undocked and redocked :) No kidding! I had point and drones on him a number of times. It's times like that you wish there was a scam for docking! Quote: I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible
IntegralHellsing Gallente Elite Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:23:00 - [37] i had good fights against Night's Dawn last year in Mara system. (0.4 yarr) AFAIK they don't smack if the opponent is willing to fight, and even says 'gf' when they lose. don't remember them smacking me at all for all those months we had fights. maybe you guys need to 'bring it' and they might respect you a bit :P --------------------------------------
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:04:00 - [38] Originally by: IntegralHellsing I had good fights against Night's Dawn last year in Mara system. (0.4 yarr) AFAIK they don't smack if the opponent is willing to fight, and even says 'gf' when they lose. don't remember them smacking me at all for all those months we had fights. maybe you guys need to 'bring it' and they might respect you a bit :P Yeah thats it pretty much, we show respect where it is deserved any war dec corp that dec's random Indy corps like ILOE doesn't deserve respect. If anything they deserve some after a hiccup today where an ILOE member though solo setup/taking down of POS's in a freighter was a good idea. You can imagine how that ended, or just read Pyra's blog entry: http://www.nights-dawn.com/ The smack is an issue against these wts but not something ND is known for, we can't be perfect can we. In reply to the points raised by M'ing Pai: 1-Your the one paying the bill hence its your war, you can cancel it at anytime. This makes it your war dec so you dec'd us even if it was simply by the fact ILOE joined ND. 2-They learn by dying, this is the same for everyone who plays EVE if its too harsh a world for you then either quit EVE or live in a noob corp. It isn't simply that I don't care about the noobs, the point I was making is the ones who can survive war stay the ones who die leave. This makes us a better alliance. With regards to ILOE, they are new if they struggle in our allaince they will leave its happened before will probally happen again. I am quite happy with their participation and what they have to offer right now making them a useful part of the allaicne especially for our 0.0 ventures. 3-I never said there was was no joint targets or goals. As you can see we have a 0.0 venture right now so there is that along with some production plans headed by the indy corps. Then theres the usual small gang PvP thing that binds us together as corps I said we have no unified direction but that never meant we don't work together. The alliance is a jack of all trades expert at none good at many. 4-Yes I am a bad person do I bend over now or later? Morals isn't exactly high on my list of priorities when it comes to internet spaceships sorry I don't meet your high expectations. I really have no problem with the war its all good reduces the fat in the allaince and keeps me with something to do.
Nirtulys Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver traps, the really awful players confirming, I'm really awfull player
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Jufer Originally by: IntegralHellsing they don't smack if the opponent is willing to fight, and even says 'gf' when they lose. don't remember them smacking me at all for all those months we had fights. maybe you guys need to 'bring it' and they might respect you a bit :P Yeah thats it pretty much, we show respect where it is deserved any war dec corp that dec's random Indy corps like ILOE doesn't deserve respect. Your guys instantly started smacktalking the second they saw me in a system. We had no chance to "prove our worth" or "bring it". The smack was heavy and immediate. This is where you make no sense either. ILOE was not a random dec. Secondly, if you think that decing random corps is so bad and not deserving of respect, how is it you sit and can flip people in high sec and kill them? I am talking mission runners and miners. That is basically the same thing. Picking on people who have no clue what they're doing or what's going on. When you do stuff like that and then act disrespectful towards us, it's a bit hypocritical if you ask me. Originally by: Jufer If anything they deserve some after a hiccup today where an ILOE member though solo setup/taking down of POS's in a freighter was a good idea. They deserve respect for taking down a POS alone in a freighter? How do you figure? I can guarantee if TRAPS did that, there would be plenty of smacking about how stupid and sucky we are in doing something so foolish. Originally by: Jufer The smack is an issue against these wts but not something ND is known for, we can't be perfect can we. No, you can't be perfect. I noticed the smack has stopped from some of the pilots who were quite mouthy when I first met them. I did enjoy the Drake pilot who was ratting in high sec with his ship named "Grow balls, Stop Hiding" who, when I engaged, warped out due to stabs then sat there and said how lame I was and all that good stuff. More hypocrisy. In reply to the points raised by M'ing Pai: Originally by: Jufer 1-Your the one paying the bill hence its your war, you can cancel it at anytime. This makes it your war dec so you dec'd us even if it was simply by the fact ILOE joined ND. No, it really makes it just as much your war since you accepted not one, but two corps knowing full well we had war against them. Originally by: Jufer 2-They learn by dying, this is the same for everyone who plays EVE if its too harsh a world for you then either quit EVE or live in a noob corp. It isn't simply that I don't care about the noobs, the point I was making is the ones who can survive war stay the ones who die leave. This makes us a better alliance. This sounds a bit different than your original statement. Originally by: Jufer With regards to ILOE, they are new if they struggle in our allaince they will leave its happened before will probally happen again. I am quite happy with their participation and what they have to offer right now making them a useful part of the allaicne especially for our 0.0 ventures. Sounds to me like you're using each other. Them to hide behind you and you using them as meatshields and production ***s. Whatever works though. Originally by:** Jufer 3-I never said there was was no joint targets or goals.Then theres the usual small gang PvP thing that binds us together as corps I said we have no unified direction but that never meant we don't work together. Dunno, it seemed to take a while before any of the pvp came out and around. Originally by: Jufer 4-Yes I am a bad person do I bend over now or later? Morals isn't exactly high on my list of priorities when it comes to internet spaceships sorry I don't meet your high expectations. To each their own. Say one thing and do another, that's fine. We're not like that. We have set rules the corp abides by. We're very well known for it and I take a bit of pride in that.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Nexa Necis Your guys instantly started smacktalking the second they saw me in a system. We had no chance to "prove our worth" or "bring it". The smack was heavy and immediate. This was after the AF kill I believe where we had got a fleet of (care)bears together to come hunt. After hours of fruitless searching and far too much effort to kill lame AF it doesn't suprise me they were trying to provoke a fight. Originally by: Nexa Necis This is where you make no sense either. ILOE was not a random dec. Secondly, if you think that decing random corps is so bad and not deserving of respect, how is it you sit and can flip people in high sec and kill them? I am talking mission runners and miners. That is basically the same thing. Picking on people who have no clue what they're doing or what's going on. Well from the version of the story I heard you was chasing a corp hopper, a fruitless act anyway and your past war decs have been very carebear orientated. Yes I have suicided and can flipped but it isn't the only thing I do. Check the killboard you will see very few non war target kills. It is all part of the game one offs are not an issue its making it the basis to your game play that is wrong. Originally by: Nexa Necis They deserve respect for taking down a POS alone in a freighter? How do you figure? I can guarantee if TRAPS did that, there would be plenty of smacking about how stupid and sucky we are in doing something so foolish. Think you misread this bit a tad, check the link and Pyras associated blog. Pfft wartargets can't even tell when your showing a degree of respect whats wrong in New Eden today. Originally by: Nexa Necis No, it really makes it just as much your war since you accepted not one, but two corps knowing full well we had war against them. We don't mind the war we got 2 new corps out of it, they have strong ties to each other so when one wanted to join the other came too. Originally by: Nexa Necis This sounds a bit different than your original statement. In which case either I didn't make myself clear enough in which case I appologise or you didn't read what I said carefully. Originally by: Nexa Necis Sounds to me like you're using each other. Them to hide behind you and you using them as meatshields and production ***s. Whatever works though. You just hit the purpose of an allaince bang on the head. Together we complete each other :). Originally by:** Nexa Necis Dunno, it seemed to take a while before any of the pvp came out and around. Yep due to the deployment in 0.0 there is a lot less people around its a bit better now things are setup but still it seems like PvPer+0.0=Carebear its instanteous reaction wont last long tho. Originally by: Nexa Necis To each their own. Say one thing and do another, that's fine. We're not like that. We have set rules the corp abides by. We're very well known for it and I take a bit of pride in that. Rules... what is this madness. We are very libral in return we get plenty of war dec's due to stupid people being stupid not the end of the world really. Free war decs ftw.
Benedic Minmatar The Aftermath	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:55:00 - [42] This amount of crying is precisely the reason that people smack to begin with.
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:32:00 - [43] If we're going to talk about respect, how about having the respect to post your losses on your killboard? TRAPS kb vs Night's Dawn shows 30 kills and 13 losses. Yours shows you have killed 11 (not posting all kills??) and lost 15(!).
M'ing Pai Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:51:00 - [44] Edited by: M''ing Pai on 20/01/2009 16:53:27 Originally by: Jufer 4-Yes I am a bad person do I bend over now or later? Morals isn't exactly high on my list of priorities when it comes to internet spaceships sorry I don't meet your high expectations. I really have no problem with the war its all good reduces the fat in the allaince and keeps me with something to do. Making accusations without being sure of them yourself has little to do with internet spaceships my friend. It also has little to do with you personally being a bad person. All it does is hurt your credibility, and if you can't see that, far be it from me to explain it to you. Go right ahead, you'll be the laughingstock, not any of us. I will hand this to you: Lying and cheating in game don't necessarily reflect your personal mores, this is true. When those lies are made public, however, it does reflect in your in game reputation. For instance, you'd be a fool to trust a Goon. I'll let you work it out from there.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 17:12:00 - [45] Originally by: M'ing Pai Edited by: M''ing Pai on 20/01/2009 16:53:27 Originally by: Jufer 4-Yes I am a bad person do I bend over now or later? Morals isn't exactly high on my list of priorities when it comes to internet spaceships sorry I don't meet your high expectations. I really have no problem with the war its all good reduces the fat in the allaince and keeps me with something to do. Making accusations without being sure of them yourself has little to do with internet spaceships my friend. It also has little to do with you personally being a bad person. All it does is hurt your credibility, and if you can't see that, far be it from me to explain it to you. Go right ahead, you'll be the laughingstock, not any of us. I will hand this to you: Lying and cheating in game don't necessarily reflect your personal mores, this is true. When those lies are made public, however, it does reflect in your in game reputation. For instance, you'd be a fool to trust a Goon. I'll let you work it out from there. Goonies aint all that bad. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, I can never be 100% certain whether I am right or not, the same can be said for everyone. I will go back to thinking that you smack in local quite happily if thats how you preferred it. This is how I remeber it so I'll just stick with it then. Also with regards to me being a bad person I role played and never realised, the second I start writing a post I write in character.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 17:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Shaloran Kalior If we're going to talk about respect, how about having the respect to post your losses on your killboard? TRAPS kb vs Night's Dawn shows 30 kills and 13 losses. Yours shows you have killed 11 (not posting all kills??) and lost 15(!). CBA to edit so I'm double posting go me. Yes we are aware of the issue and its currently being resolved. Several corps are API linked and the remaining will be when our KB guy gets all the CEO full API's, you can spell out how to post a kill but some people just won't or don't know how to post them. API linking was our answer to this problem and will be implemented asap.
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:19:00 - [47] Would you like some help? I'll evemail you all the lossmails you're missing (hell, I'll throw in the killmails too) starting with Pyrasanth's Domi killed on 2009.01.18 at 20:35:00
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:29:00 - [48] I wouldn't say their smack was to provoke a fight. Not when it's blatantly obvious there is a blob on the other sides of the gates and I am all alone. The smack came from several different people at several different encounters. As I said, the smack from the original ND people seems to have stopped, however the ILOE and Terminal guys are quite happy to keep it up for the rest of the alliance. I looked at your KB and see quite a few high sec kills against non-war targets, most of which look like they were missioning or mining. I don't get how that makes you any better than us. With us, corps are given fair warning by Concord and they also have a chance to negotiate. You go around picking on random self-defenseless noobs just as much as we do. To say we suck for doing so and deserve no respect due to our play style is absurd when you're doing something that's almost identical. I have to say, you mentioned the cohesiveness of ILOE and Terminal and the alliance as a whole. I think the ball was dropped at some point and what seems to be a reoccurring situation, the details are rarely shared within the corp and/or alliance. The reason I say this is that the Fenrir pilot Udran convoed me after we blew up his freighter. He was extremely upset. Now, mind you, I am going off of what he has told me. He asked why the war started to begin with. Now that is a pretty stupid to me. I think it would've been answered long before in corp emails or joint ops chat between ILOE and Terminal, or even after they joined the alliance because I filled the alliance diplos in on the situation as well. He claims that no one in ILOE ever mentioned that TRAPS was open to negotiations or that they had attempted to negotiate and dropped the ball by never getting back to me. He said Terminal people never mentioned it either. I asked if the alliance explained the reasons of the war and how to settle it, he said there was no such email or discussion. He said basically the head guys of ILOE branched out into their own corps and jumped ship on ILOE leaving him with the top spot of CEO and never once mentioned we would negotiate. To me, that's a crappy way to run a corp. Udran said he wanted to pay then claimed he was flat broke and didn't have enough ISK to cover the fees. He finally agreed to pay, and reneged and lied so he will be hunted for his entire Eve life by us, our alts and our friends who do favors for us. So a word to the wise, do not trust any negotiations by a Night's Dawn member. They will lie and try to scam you to their advantage. We will of course be decing the splinter corps from ILOE and Terminal. We will also eventually sneak in alts/friends to pop people from witin. Last time we got a guys fully loaded freighter with about 8bil in goodies in it using that tactic. Hans Gates warned you about us. He said we are tenacious and have a very long memory and will always be out to get you one way or another. I mean the guy we dec'd ILOE over was in a corp several months ago that we had dec'd. We never let it die. If anyone wants to dec a few small corps who might run into an alliance and provide you with alliance wars on the cheap, convo/email me for details.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:30:00 - [49] Shal, enough with their KB issues. They're aware of it. The horse is long dead.
pentinor Minmatar Project Nemesis	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:10:00 - [50] Lol Nights dawn.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:10:00 - [51] Originally by: Nexa Necis I wouldn't say their smack was to provoke a fight. Not when it's blatantly obvious there is a blob on the other sides of the gates and I am all alone. We didn't know whether you did or didn't use scouts, now we have found that you do you will have seen a lot less effort from us in terms of 'smack enough and hopefully he will undock and try to pwn the bait' tactics. Please evemail names of people smack talking to both Lt Weiss, and their respective CEO. It is a CEO's responsibility to make sure some sort of standard are kept, failing that Lt Weiss is your man. Originally by: Nexa Necis I looked at your KB and see quite a few high sec kills against non-war targets, most of which look like they were missioning or mining. I don't get how that makes you any better than us. With us, corps are given fair warning by Concord and they also have a chance to negotiate. You go around picking on random self-defenseless noobs just as much as we do. To say we suck for doing so and deserve no respect due to our play style is absurd when you're doing something that's almost identical. Yes we kill noobs, yes we can flip, yes we bait missioners into a painful death. These all rely on one thing the agro mechanic a painful learning experience but one that is often appreciated by the victim. Most victims that don't instantly smack on local are treated with respect and I have often told them where their mistakes were made. Wars are slightly different as there is no easy way out if you want to stay in your corp or atleast not one governed by CCP. Does this make us morally better than you or vica-versa no, I wasn't trying to claim the moral high ground. Regarding communication the freighter pilot obviously has serious mental issues if that is his claim; he is either trying to play you or is one clown short of a circus. We were willing to accept ILOE in as well as Terminal Logic with very little knowledge of them on good faith. If they really are that bad it will come to the surface in some epic drama, explode for a week, and they end up removed and all is happy again. I remember a corp joining the allaince who were all girls... they turned out to all be guys pretending to be girls getting the horn over doing so. Now that was an epic drama! In short we can good trust your word against them at face value so we give them a chance see what happens, whilst having a war against active targets. Originally by: Nexa Necis So a word to the wise, do not trust any negotiations by a Night's Dawn member. They will lie and try to scam you to their advantage. Sorry but thats a generalisation right there, theres a big difference between a corp and allaince. Alliance CEO's run the allaince as a whole, with a core group the founding corps having the major say, if in doubt once again speak to Lt Weiss. I would like to emphasise also ransoms have been honored and fee's to end wars once paid have promptly ceased hostilities. Originally by: Nexa Necis We will of course be decing the splinter corps from ILOE and Terminal. We will also eventually sneak in alts/friends to pop people from witin. Last time we got a guys fully loaded freighter with about 8bil in goodies in it using that tactic. Glad to hear you are decing the splinters, with regards to getting spies in its easy enough go for it but the chance of finding assets worth shooting are minimal. Trade on large levels is done with neutral freighter alts, I personally have a couple and will not reveal their names even to people I have trusted for several years. You can continue the war as long as you wish but I doubt it will ever result in a disbandment of the allaince. Friends, and friends of friends would be called in when times get tough to ensure survival. A lot of effort has been put into the running of ND and its not another Triumvirate no matter how tough it gets the core will still remain. Good luck, I am sure you will see plenty of me soon.
Lorzion Minmatar IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:27:00 - [52] wow ND gets decced, and they havn't asked us to dec traps to help?
Marius Deterium Caldari The Hull Miners Union Primary.	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:29:00 - [53] TRAPS, you guys rule. Your shinanagins never cease to entertain me. NIght's Dawn.... hmmm, can't even hold the shift key at the right time. Fail. --- Mining hulls for the juicy goods inside. Good...bad, I'm the guy with the gun.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Lorzion wow ND gets decced, and they havn't asked us to dec traps to help? If you bought like 100rr bs they would never undock, were having too much fun to be sucking up quite yet. <3 IDLE Originally by: Marius Deterium NIght's Dawn.... hmmm, can't even hold the shift key at the right time. Fail. /me points at Lt Weiss, it was Night's Dawn until someone didn't pay the bill.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 05:56:00 - [55] Here's the proof of the lie and scam that Udran pulled... EVE System > Channel changed to Ivih Local Channel Udran > o come on Udran > you want money Nexa Necis > you had your chance to pay Nexa Necis > now you die He foolishly attempted to logoffski well into structure. We probe him out and pop his pod. He then convos me having a bit of a meltdown.... Udran > what **in payment? Nexa Necis > apparently your diplos didnt tell you Nexa Necis > they asked if they could negotiate Nexa Necis > i said yes Nexa Necis > they said they would get back to me Nexa Necis > and never did Nexa Necis > i said either boot adenallen or pay 250mil Udran > hes GONE! He doesn't seem to understand that just because my original surrender offer was to boot Adenallen or pay up 250mil ISK doesn't mean that offer is still on the table. I mean ILOE hired several mercs and joined an alliance to avoid us. The fee would go up and be a bit higher as was explained to the ND diplos several times. Nexa Necis > you want the tower and stuff? you can pay for it Udran > how much? Nexa Necis > figure its worth at least 500mil Udran > 400? fine thats all I have Nexa Necis > once sec Udran > hello? Udran > either now or not? Nexa Necis > im confering with corp Udran > off then Someone is not happy to say the least. Nexa Necis > if all you got is 400mil thats fine Nexa Necis > we wont agress you and you can come clear out your stuff Nexa Necis > ask around, we keep our word Udran > hell no Nexa Necis > so you dont want it? Udran > I do Udran > but I don't trust you Nexa Necis > bro dishonoring deals is bad for business Udran > you're bad for this game Nexa Necis > ok Nexa Necis > im trying to make a deal since it looks like your corp didnt fill you in on everything Udran > nope told me nothin at all Nexa Necis > thats pretty bad man Nexa Necis > i talked to celardore too Udran > I just took the reins Nexa Necis > talked to morpheus Nexa Necis > talked to 2 others in ILOE Udran > 250M? Udran > since I wasn't told of the reason of how to drop the dec in the first place Nexa Necis > thats pretty ty they didnt share it Udran > ya I know He thinks I am making stuff up about talking to ILOE and Terminal and ND diplos. So I link him the chat logs. He agrees to pay. Nexa Necis > you gonna pay then? Udran > hold on Nexa Necis > as i said soon as you send the isk we leave and let only you come and go Udran > hold on, I need to restart the EVE client Nexa Necis > k hurry then Udran > 10 minutes? Nexa Necis > sounds like stall tactics Nexa Necis > no offense Udran > its not So he logs out, logs his alt in, snags stuff out of the POS, logs back in, tries small talk to keep stalling, then blocks me and the corp from mailing him. I'd email the CEO of his corp, but it's his alt. Direct Weiss over to the thread to see. As far as no worthwhile targets to shoot at while in corp, there are always those mission runners with their faction BS's who would be plenty **ed to lose a ship like that to a corpmate who's actually a spy. I have no problem being civil and good sports with your alliance. You just have to realize that smack talking right off the bat with completely unjustified insults regardless of the reason for them is in poor character, especially when your alliance head specifically told me that smack talk isn't tolerated. Insulting us for picking on newbs when you do the same thing is also a bit silly and makes you look like idiots. We seem to play along similar paths with somewhat similar ethics so no reason not to be civil. I don't expect you guys to disband. I do hope to keep generating some tears, defectors and extremely fun events like the freighter kill which was my first on Nexa if you can believe it.
Udran Caldari Industrial Legion of EVE NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.21 07:16:00 - [56] Ms. Necis, All I have to say is one day you're going to get your time! Go ahead post you're stuff to keep the pirates stroking their epeen and how small it is. I admit I did something stupid/wrong, its life and you learn from you're mistakes. I almost gave up on this game just because of how you're "grieving" tactics had me to the end, but hey its a game and I'M HERE TO STAY! O by the way I heard that you left Ivih after BSs from ND came. All you are able to do is run like a ***** with you're tail between your legs and hide in Seil. Afraid to lose another ship? One more thing I know you're other alts now.
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 07:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Nexa Necis Shal, enough with their KB issues. They're aware of it. The horse is long dead. Sorry boss. Pet hate o' mine. Done here
Karlen Velro Caldari Kurtz's Kommandos	Posted - 2009.01.21 09:07:00 - [58] [" I remember a corp joining the allaince who were all girls... they turned out to all be guys pretending to be girls getting the horn over doing so. Now that was an epic drama!" thats messed up man , i would have kept the name of the corp and sold the information on the forums "corp of females who love to chat with lads and want to join YOUR alliance!!", sort of like one of those " do u want to meet fit singles in ur area?... txt "suck my ****" to 078737337 and send us ur mortgage details and we'll give u a call". its funny, seems the KD guys and nexa are starting to agree on stuff () and then the udran idiot comes along and loses eve. no one cares if u stay or go mate and bragging about ur alliance scaring people off and nexa having his "..tail between his legs" when ud just spent the day hiding from him and had to be saved by ur corpies is pretty weak. nothing wrong with what happened in game but coming on the forums to throw your metaphorical weight around is fail in many regards
StrikerStarr Gallente Industrial Legion of EVE NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:22:00 - [59] So someone posted a link i came here to see this. I would like to first point out i was the only Diplomat for ILOE and not once did any traps member contact me, and still have yet to talk to me. A note was sent to a CEO who had not been on for 3 weeks. Secondly Traps has dec'ed almost 50 small indy corps since April. All with the same story. you have a man in your corp we want him out. then it turns to he has an alt we want him out to. then the list grows. Thats how it works, the person who Nexa had a mark on had left the corp and he still wont leave that person alone. And for the other corps out there. ILOE had long been looking for low sec ops. Traps seems to believe for some reason that every action we take now is in direct relation to them. We have actaully moved on weeks ago to get busy doing what an indy corp does build. We dont feed this stuff as Nexa really enjoys feedback. We have now gotten used to reds in high sec and have learned to manuever around that. Striker
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:50:00 - [60] Originally by: Udran Ms. Necis, All I have to say is one day you're going to get your time! Go ahead post you're stuff to keep the pirates stroking their epeen and how small it is. I admit I did something stupid/wrong, its life and you learn from you're mistakes. I almost gave up on this game just because of how you're "grieving" tactics had me to the end, but hey its a game and I'M HERE TO STAY! O by the way I heard that you left Ivih after BSs from ND came. All you are able to do is run like a *** with you're tail between your legs and hide in Seil. Afraid to lose another ship? One more thing I know you're other alts now. Posting to confirm that Udran is possibly the worst CAOD poster in EVE, never mind ND. The no smack talk think you agreed to wasn't for the s and giggles! They are playing the game how it is meant to be played, now you have to adapt or die. If things carry on how they are ILOE will be ripped apart from the inside due to simply moving along the same way as you always have at a time when something obviously has to change. You **ed up, you died, if I was you I would have dropped a gf and that been the end of it. Your corp has a spy in it, and Nexa is making good use of that fact to know who you are where you are and what you are flying. To be fair I would be stroking my epeen too they are doing a great job of ripping you apart another show of Darwinism in EVE. Underhand tactics aren't the way we play the game, don't like that then go else where.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:59:00 - [61] Originally by: StrikerStarr So someone posted a link i came here to see this. I would like to first point out i was the only Diplomat for ILOE and not once did any traps member contact me, and still have yet to talk to me. A note was sent to a CEO who had not been on for 3 weeks. Secondly Traps has dec'ed almost 50 small indy corps since April. All with the same story. you have a man in your corp we want him out. then it turns to he has an alt we want him out to. then the list grows. Thats how it works, the person who Nexa had a mark on had left the corp and he still wont leave that person alone. And for the other corps out there. ILOE had long been looking for low sec ops. Traps seems to believe for some reason that every action we take now is in direct relation to them. We have actaully moved on weeks ago to get busy doing what an indy corp does build. We dont feed this stuff as Nexa really enjoys feedback. We have now gotten used to reds in high sec and have learned to manuever around that. Striker Look at our killboard. You will see plenty of the same pilots in several corps that we've killed. Why? Because they never paid the surrender fee offered. Adenallen helped kill us and once his corp closed down because we kept them decd for three months, he ran to a new corp but before we could dec it, he ended up leaving it and joining yours. Your corp contacted me for diplo stuff. I don't contact the corps we dec generally because they think we want easy ISK. So I wait for them to contact me or I contact them once they suffered enough losses. Your corp dropped the ball. Your corp had an easy out. Kick Adenallen or pay 250mil. 250mil is peanuts to the combined ISK of your corp. Morpheus HayaBusa > Hello. Morpheus HayaBusa > Opening diplo channels. Morpheus HayaBusa > What are your terms Morpheus HayaBusa > ? Nexa Necis > sorry what? Nexa Necis > who are you? Nexa Necis > nm Nexa Necis > hehe Morpheus HayaBusa > As you are aware. You've war dec'd us. Nexa Necis > yeah got a few wars on and sleepy :) Morpheus HayaBusa > What are your terms? Nexa Necis > you are haroring a fugitive Nexa Necis > harboring Nexa Necis > man im tired Morpheus HayaBusa > whom is? Nexa Necis > adenallen Morpheus HayaBusa > how so? Nexa Necis > hes in your corp, he has committed crimes, so your corp suffers Morpheus HayaBusa > as I said, how so? what crimes? Nexa Necis > his corp attacked us and hired mercs Nexa Necis > and then ran and never paid Nexa Necis > i promised to dec any corp they jumped to Morpheus HayaBusa > hmm. first I've heard of it. Morpheus HayaBusa > So just one fugitive? Nexa Necis > so far, dunno who else all your other members are Morpheus HayaBusa > Well as I know you've done your intel, as all good pvp players and corps do. You'd have a member count and list. Nexa Necis > we have a few but since you have no killboards its a bit hard Morpheus HayaBusa > I know the former CEO personally, we'll have a chat. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? Nexa Necis > my killboard Nexa Necis > i have nothing to prove to you or anyone Nexa Necis > ill just keep your corp decd for 3+ months like i did to adenallen Nexa Necis > ill be decing his ceos new lame alliance soon as well Morpheus HayaBusa > If your claiming that a member of this corp caused foul deeds, I'd like to see it. Morpheus HayaBusa > What alliance are you referring to? Nexa Necis > he is guilty by association Nexa Necis > well if you know his former ceo then you should know his alliance Morpheus HayaBusa > Well his corp disbanned after someone stole most of their assests. Had nothing to do with a war dec. Nexa Necis > funny the corp bio says otherwise Morpheus HayaBusa > Must have been a few corps back then. Morpheus HayaBusa > I've got work now, but I'll be back, hopefully to resume talks. Morpheus HayaBusa > until then fly safe. He never got back to me. Another guy contacted me, and I didn't want to repeat everything so I referred him back to Morph.
Wesley Baird Caldari BURN EDEN	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:06:00 - [62] Originally by: StrikerStarr So someone posted a link i came here to see this. I would like to first point out i was the only Diplomat for ILOE and not once did any traps member contact me, and still have yet to talk to me. A note was sent to a CEO who had not been on for 3 weeks. Secondly Traps has dec'ed almost 50 small indy corps since April. All with the same story. you have a man in your corp we want him out. then it turns to he has an alt we want him out to. then the list grows. Thats how it works, the person who Nexa had a mark on had left the corp and he still wont leave that person alone. And for the other corps out there. ILOE had long been looking for low sec ops. Traps seems to believe for some reason that every action we take now is in direct relation to them. We have actaully moved on weeks ago to get busy doing what an indy corp does build. We dont feed this stuff as Nexa really enjoys feedback. We have now gotten used to reds in high sec and have learned to manuever around that. Striker What is the point of your post? Everyone knows what TRAPS do, and I guess now you do as well...and its funny how corps suddenly become "indy corps" the moment they get dec'd...can flipping smack talking ***gots are all suddenly poor emo miners when someone pokes them in the chest back...
Bunnehrawr Rawr Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Udran Ms. Necis, All I have to say is one day you're going to get your time! Go ahead post you're stuff to keep the pirates stroking their epeen and how small it is. I admit I did something stupid/wrong, its life and you learn from you're mistakes. I almost gave up on this game just because of how you're "grieving" tactics had me to the end, but hey its a game and I'M HERE TO STAY! O by the way I heard that you left Ivih after BSs from ND came. All you are able to do is run like a *** with you're tail between your legs and hide in Seil. Afraid to lose another ship? One more thing I know you're other alts now. In reply to this "a day late".. sorry :) mainly this "O by the way I heard that you left Ivih after BSs from ND came. All you are able to do is run like a * with you're tail between your legs and hide in Seil. Afraid to lose another ship?" part Yes.. yes we did leave when bs's came in .. infact it was a hyperion / falcon at first.. not a blob like i was expecting .. and at that point it was 20/15 minutes till downtime,there was 4 of us left and 3 of us were pre-alligned and got tfo pretty sharpish , unfortunatly one of our mega's didnt. http://traps.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=5486 But if you Acctually looked.. we were all in pos bashing, non pvp fits.. i mean really now? what would you have done :P stayed to fight at pointblanc in a rail boat ? against a blaster boat and a falcon ;) if so your obviously alot more guttsy than me :P Also .. we arent afraid to lose ships.. we just prefer to avoid** losing ships ;) by watching local.. and not flying around alone taking down pos's ;) On a side note I myself havent seen much smack from most the ND guys
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:30:00 - [64] Originally by: Udran Ms. Necis, All I have to say is one day you're going to get your time! Go ahead post you're stuff to keep the pirates stroking their epeen and how small it is. I admit I did something stupid/wrong, its life and you learn from you're mistakes. I almost gave up on this game just because of how you're "grieving" tactics had me to the end, but hey its a game and I'M HERE TO STAY! O by the way I heard that you left Ivih after BSs from ND came. All you are able to do is run like a ***** with you're tail between your legs and hide in Seil. Afraid to lose another ship? One more thing I know you're other alts now. ROFL, I actually just read your post. Typical carebear comments. If I am afk in a station when they're around, I am a loser who is camped and can't pvp. If they are afk when I camp their station I am a loser wasting time on someone not worth killing. If I leave the POS shooting to go to bed, it means I cowered from the mighty forces of ND, if I stayed to fight in a non-pvp setup and died, I would be called a moron who sucks at pvp who wasn't smart enough to get out when I should have. There is no winning with people such as yourself. Your tears of anger were quite refreshing. Your lame attempt at logging out is indicative of your character. We still got your pod and implants much to your chagrin I am sure. You will quit Eve in a rage eventually. Once we get more spies into the corp and blow you up again, you will be thrilled I am sure. So once again, thanks for the smack talk. Too bad ND will keep you in the alliance no matter how much smack, lies and deceiving you pull. As far as knowing my alts, I wasn't using any. Thankfully due to my stories on Eve-Pirate I get a lot of assistance with intel and such from fans and friends. We have a private intel channel with a slew of persons always willing to assist with stuff like this. People who are more than happy to infiltrate your corp 6 months from now and blow up your Hulk or mission boat or hauler and pod you back to a clone vat. For now though, follow alliance instructions and relocate to Geminate or Poinen and avoid all fighting unless you're gonna join the roaming gangs.
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.22 03:03:00 - [65] Originally by: StrikerStarr So someone posted a link i came here to see this. I would like to first point out i was the only Diplomat for ILOE and not once did any traps member contact me, and still have yet to talk to me. A note was sent to a CEO who had not been on for 3 weeks. Nothing like catching people making up more lies. They will of course claim this is all made up. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2138492082 Channel Name: Private Chat (StrikerStarr) Listener: Nexa Necis Session started: 2008.12.18 21:46:31 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2008.12.18 21:46:44 ] StrikerStarr > afternoon [ 2008.12.18 21:48:23 ] StrikerStarr > catch you when your not afk I tried to get you back.. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2138494672 Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) Listener: Nexa Necis Session started: 2008.12.18 23:06:32 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2008.12.18 23:06:37 ] Nexa Necis > yes? [ 2008.12.18 23:08:11 ] Nexa Necis > tag, you're it Then you got back to me shortly thereafter. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2138497434 Channel Name: Private Chat (StrikerStarr) Listener: Nexa Necis Session started: 2008.12.19 00:49:01 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2008.12.19 00:49:15 ] StrikerStarr > NexA [ 2008.12.19 00:49:21 ] Nexa Necis > sup [ 2008.12.19 00:49:40 ] StrikerStarr > i saw an interesting email this morning [ 2008.12.19 00:49:54 ] StrikerStarr > was hoping to discuss this [ 2008.12.19 00:50:06 ] Nexa Necis > discuss away [ 2008.12.19 00:50:35 ] StrikerStarr > we would like to know what prompted the emial we got =) [ 2008.12.19 00:50:42 ] StrikerStarr > someone smack talking etc [ 2008.12.19 00:50:53 ] Nexa Necis > i dont know what you're talking about [ 2008.12.19 00:51:05 ] Nexa Necis > i didnt read your email so no clue what youre refering to [ 2008.12.19 00:51:30 ] StrikerStarr > seems we got war dec'ed [ 2008.12.19 00:51:47 ] Nexa Necis > yeah and i already talked to your ceo [ 2008.12.19 00:51:52 ] Nexa Necis > im not going to keep repeating myself [ 2008.12.19 00:51:55 ] StrikerStarr > seabasskul? [ 2008.12.19 00:52:04 ] StrikerStarr > or morpheus? [ 2008.12.19 00:52:25 ] Nexa Necis > morpheus [ 2008.12.19 00:52:50 ] StrikerStarr > ok he is cutting the convo to me now [ 2008.12.19 00:53:12 ] StrikerStarr > sorry we had not chatted as most of us are really busy folks [ 2008.12.19 00:53:51 ] StrikerStarr > aden eh [ 2008.12.19 00:57:28 ] StrikerStarr > ok well then [ 2008.12.19 00:57:39 ] StrikerStarr > seems mprheus has filled me in [ 2008.12.19 00:57:45 ] StrikerStarr > not much else to talk about then i see [ 2008.12.19 00:57:59 ] StrikerStarr > Thanks for your time I did too try to contact you when you contacted me and I was afk. Don't sit here and lie to people and acting all innocent that you got decd and had no way out. You hired several mercs who didn't last long and then your last resort was running to an alliance to avoid us. It's funny that the Night's Dawn folks are so eager to have people who smacktalk, lie, and dishonor agreements in their corp. I have never seen you undock once. You sat docked in Sinid, Mimen and Remoriu constantly and once you moved to the alliance, you sit docked in Poinen. You're not on our KB in losses or kills so you don't do a whole heckuva lot it seems. So instead of claiming no one made an effort to talk to and that no one properly filled you in, undock and do something to make a difference. As it is, you look like an asshat and so does your corp and alliance since you're blatantly lying on the forums.
Lorzion Minmatar IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.22 04:26:00 - [66] Edited by: Lorzion on 22/01/2009 04:26:54 Originally by: Nexa Necis You hired several mercs who didn't last long and then your last resort was running to an alliance to avoid us. It's funny that the Night's Dawn folks are so eager to have people who smacktalk, lie, and dishonor agreements in their corp. I have never seen you undock once. You sat docked in Sinid, Mimen and Remoriu constantly and once you moved to the alliance, you sit docked in Poinen. You're not on our KB in losses or kills so you don't do a whole heckuva lot it seems. So instead of claiming no one made an effort to talk to and that no one properly filled you in, undock and do something to make a difference. As it is, you look like an asshat and so does your corp and alliance since you're blatantly lying on the forums. He sits docked in Ihak. lol :-)
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.22 06:32:00 - [67] Udran is still going bonkers over that loss. Your former member Seabasskull convoed me and said he will be rejoining because he's tired of being dec'd in his splinter corp. Udran is hands down, one of the oddest people I've met in a while. Good lulz though.
Alexis Acantha Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Nexa Necis Udran is still going bonkers over that loss. Your former member Seabasskull convoed me and said he will be rejoining because he's tired of being dec'd in his splinter corp. Udran is hands down, one of the oddest people I've met in a while. Good lulz though. lol! Does it really matter which of us got the killmail? He was on the killmail, even if was M'ing Pai that fired the last shot. Besides, as far as I'm concerned, Nexa speaks for us as a group. Anything to stroke a bruised ego, I guess. Even if it does little more than make you look even worse. Quote: I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.22 19:27:00 - [69] Originally by: Jufer Originally by: M'ing Pai As for your Tama comment, why don't you guys come over to Amamake instead? That way, you could meet our friends there instead of us meeting your friends in Tama. You war dec'd us so naturally you are meant to come to us. War targets are not the pizza delivery boy why should they come to you? The infrastructure is there to replace losses without many problems for any of the more experience players. Some of the, hmm how can I be diplomatic about it, less knowledgable players will die over and over again. This means one of two things they either adapt or leave allaince either way we end up with better players on the whole. War is the pruning process by which you find who actually has it in them to stick it out and do something worth while. Night's Dawn has never claimed to be a PvP allaince, there is no definate direction infact. Some corps are alligned heavier in certain directions than others with there being a split between missioners, pvpers, miners, down right griefers, and a whole bunch of Indy guys. Right now we operate out of 0.0, lowsec and highsec and recruitment is minimal unless its by absorbtion of new corps into the allaince. I don't keep chat logs, after a few years it got messy so now I just dont bother. Hey maybe I am wrong a war targets a war target after all I pay little attention which corp they are from. TL;DR version: -Your war so you come to us. -ND isn't a PvP allaince. -More pewpew k thanks. -Maybe you aren't talking smack but I don't like you anyway. You should read your alliance mails and your forums more often, the part about PvP alliance just shows that you do not have access to them. --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.22 19:38:00 - [70] Originally by: Muad' Dib You should read your alliance mails and your forums more often, the part about PvP alliance just shows that you do not have access to them. Infact I do and was one of the first to register, I have been alongside ND even prior to their formation. They have and always will be a bit of everything allaince, noone is forced to PvP infact some people point blank refuse to do so. The question is what sort of % of our fleets are spies, everyone seems to have a ND spy these days.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.22 20:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Jufer Originally by: Muad' Dib You should read your alliance mails and your forums more often, the part about PvP alliance just shows that you do not have access to them. Infact I do and was one of the first to register, I have been alongside ND even prior to their formation. They have and always will be a bit of everything allaince, noone is forced to PvP infact some people point blank refuse to do so. The question is what sort of % of our fleets are spies, everyone seems to have a ND spy these days. If i still had an alt in ND, i wouldn't be posting this on CAOD. But we all know that spies are not that important when it comes to ND. ND is Weiss' alliance, he does with it as he pleases, and he has no problem keeping the war up - he will probably be called upon by RL duties and start playing his alts anyway. :) PS: NIght's Dawn is the 3rd alliance actually. 2nd one was Night's Dawn, and there was another before that.
Jufer Minmatar Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.22 21:31:00 - [72] Originally by: Muad' Dib If i still had an alt in ND, i wouldn't be posting this on CAOD. But we all know that spies are not that important when it comes to ND. ND is Weiss' alliance, he does with it as he pleases, and he has no problem keeping the war up - he will probably be called upon by RL duties and start playing his alts anyway. :) PS: NIght's Dawn is the 3rd alliance actually. 2nd one was Night's Dawn, and there was another before that. Capt is my *****, he knows that. The one before was Helghast allaince, which wasn't run by Capt Weiss, infact that was pretty much the reason Night's Dawn was started because the guy dictating Helghast was an utter tool. Right now its a pretty good place to be, the PvPers have never been told no stuff you when we request wars etc so keeps us happy. If people aren't happy with the way things are run then they leave and so be it. Personally I quite like the Weiss brothers they make a good job of running the allaince between them.
M'ing Pai Caldari The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.22 21:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Muad' Dib ND is Weiss' alliance, he does with it as he pleases, and he has no problem keeping the war up - he will probably be called upon by RL duties and start playing his alts anyway. :) PS: NIght's Dawn is the 3rd alliance actually. 2nd one was Night's Dawn, and there was another before that. Things tend to come full circle, don't they? The first player corp I was ever in was Dark Horses, which happened to be a splinter corp from Weiss'. We were actually at war with him several times, and got nothing but talk out of him the entire time. Now I'm in TRAPS, and I'm at war with him again. I've waited 2 long years to have his corpsicle in my meat locker, and every time I see him he's docked. I've tried to get Major Stallion in on the action, but he's had his hands full with other wardecs. I don't think it would matter. Weiss would still be docked or playing on his alts.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.23 00:07:00 - [74] Originally by: Jufer Originally by: Muad' Dib If i still had an alt in ND, i wouldn't be posting this on CAOD. But we all know that spies are not that important when it comes to ND. ND is Weiss' alliance, he does with it as he pleases, and he has no problem keeping the war up - he will probably be called upon by RL duties and start playing his alts anyway. :) PS: NIght's Dawn is the 3rd alliance actually. 2nd one was Night's Dawn, and there was another before that. Capt is my ***, he knows that. The one before was Helghast allaince, which wasn't run by Capt Weiss, infact that was pretty much the reason Night's Dawn was started because the guy dictating Helghast was an utter tool. Right now its a pretty good place to be, the PvPers have never been told no stuff you when we request wars etc so keeps us happy. If people aren't happy with the way things are run then they leave and so be it. Personally I quite like the Weiss brothers they make a good job of running the allaince between them. I have to agree with you right there, they do make a good job of running the alliance. Alliances that don't go up and down in numbers like yo-yo's every few months with their leader shouting that 'all non-pvp-ers out' every time they get a wardecc are not worth remembering imho. I'm curious to see what ND's pvp capabilities are now, but looking at not posting 50% losses - you even made the KB private once because the losses were to embarassing, the really ****ed smack - last time i saw it come from your alliance heavily i think it was during the V I R U S war, and having been present - though on an alt, at the transformation of ND from 'the scourge of pirates' in Hysera as you liked to fancy yourselves to ransoming random corps for fun - Nexa goes for those that smack him be them pvp or industry while you started by deccing everyone in the area that was 100% industrial and could not fight back, i am not expecting much.
Lt Weiss Caldari Krieger Allianz NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:17:00 - [75] [ 2009.01.08 04:46:33 ] Lt Weiss > I feel at this time we need a third party to assist [ 2009.01.08 04:46:40 ] Hans Gates > me? [ 2009.01.08 04:46:45 ] Lt Weiss > yes sir [ 2009.01.08 04:46:50 ] Nexa Necis > i had no idea [ 2009.01.08 04:46:55 ] Hans Gates > ok, what we gonna do :) [ 2009.01.08 04:47:20 ] Lt Weiss > from my understanding there has been some smack talking which I apologize for even so it was not ND at the time [ 2009.01.08 04:47:37 ] Lt Weiss > these guys have been camping and killing these members [ 2009.01.08 04:47:58 ] Lt Weiss > but now I feel that since they are firends of yours and we hold you gentleman in great reguard [ 2009.01.08 04:48:14 ] Lt Weiss > we have tried to solve the issue as a professional courtesy [ 2009.01.08 04:48:35 ] Lt Weiss > however that does not seem to be enough for this corporation [ 2009.01.08 04:49:15 ] Hans Gates > k, what are your ties to the "target" corp that entered your alliance? [ 2009.01.08 04:49:44 ] Lt Weiss > we have had ealings with them for some time as I have explained to Nexa [ 2009.01.08 04:49:48 ] Lt Weiss > dealings [ 2009.01.08 04:50:16 ] Lt Weiss > they have constucted cap ships for us [ 2009.01.08 04:50:32 ] Lt Weiss > the same ones that we were bringing to help you guys when you asked for the assitance [ 2009.01.08 04:52:01 ] Hans Gates > nexa, what are your terms? [ 2009.01.08 04:53:22 ] Nexa Necis > well original attempts at diplomacy were dropped by ILOE [ 2009.01.08 04:53:34 ] Nexa Necis > i was told "yeah we will get back to you" [ 2009.01.08 04:53:44 ] Nexa Necis > then we got decd by their friends in terminal logic [ 2009.01.08 04:53:53 ] Lt Weiss > the original level of diplomacy was the randsom of 250,000,000 [ 2009.01.08 04:53:55 ] Nexa Necis > then a month of smack and sore winning goes by [ 2009.01.08 04:54:17 ] Nexa Necis > well i was going to offer them 250mil or boot the player that jumped into their corp to aviod us [ 2009.01.08 04:54:22 ] Nexa Necis > but they never resumed talks [ 2009.01.08 04:54:29 ] Nexa Necis > and as you know, we always are willing to negotiate [ 2009.01.08 04:54:45 ] Nexa Necis > when i talked to their ceo the other day prior to them joining ND [ 2009.01.08 04:54:47 ] Lt Weiss > No sir that is not what you explained to me earlier [ 2009.01.08 04:54:49 ] Nexa Necis > all he said was LOL [ 2009.01.08 04:55:05 ] Nexa Necis > i told you they contacted me [ 2009.01.08 04:55:10 ] Nexa Necis > i was willing to negotiate [ 2009.01.08 04:55:11 ] Lt Weiss > and those players have all been booted [ 2009.01.08 04:55:15 ] Nexa Necis > they said we will get back to you [ 2009.01.08 04:55:19 ] Nexa Necis > i never heard from em again [ 2009.01.08 04:55:28 ] Nexa Necis > they convoed me a few weeks later [ 2009.01.08 04:55:30 ] Lt Weiss > which is I think fair and should end the issue [ 2009.01.08 04:55:34 ] Nexa Necis > ****ed that it was only 250mil [ 2009.01.08 04:55:39 ] Nexa Necis > and said i never told them [ 2009.01.08 04:55:52 ] Nexa Necis > i linked the chat where he said "i will get back to you, i gotta go" and then never did [ 2009.01.08 04:55:54 ] Lt Weiss > I even offered to compensate them for the money they had spent to keep the war going [ 2009.01.08 04:56:08 ] Nexa Necis > adenallen has not been booted [ 2009.01.08 04:56:10 ] Nexa Necis > that is a lie [ 2009.01.08 04:56:18 ] Lt Weiss > he has roles it takes 24 hours sir [ 2009.01.08 04:56:48 ] Nexa Necis > it cost us 232mil to maintain their war [ 2009.01.08 04:56:55 ] Nexa Necis > since it drives up the price of our alliance wars [ 2009.01.08 04:57:29 ] Lt Weiss > if you wish to continue the war against Night's Dawn that would be your choice [ 2009.01.08 04:58:12 ] Lt Weiss > but the member you said you wanted removed has been removed [ 2009.01.08 04:58:17 ] Hans Gates > Nexa follows some very simple rules, he will stay the course untill it is complete, I know that of him.
Lt Weiss Caldari Krieger Allianz NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:18:00 - [76] [ 2009.01.08 04:58:19 ] Lt Weiss > so that should be the end of the issue [ 2009.01.08 04:58:32 ] Nexa Necis > it would originally [ 2009.01.08 04:58:43 ] Nexa Necis > prior to them hiring people, prior to them jumping into your alliance to avoid us [ 2009.01.08 04:59:01 ] Nexa Necis > them paying 250mil is a joke [ 2009.01.08 04:59:10 ] Nexa Necis > thats hella cheap [ 2009.01.08 04:59:26 ] Lt Weiss > if they should continue to stay at war that is ok with us I just simply didnt want to be at war with friends of REPO [ 2009.01.08 04:59:47 ] Lt Weiss > this is all simply a courtesy because of our dealings with you [ 2009.01.08 04:59:55 ] Hans Gates > yea my fear is TRAPS joining the alliance again, [ 2009.01.08 05:00:48 ] Lt Weiss > if they join your alliance that would be fine as we are blue to one another [ 2009.01.08 05:00:53 ] Lt Weiss > : ) [ 2009.01.08 05:01:12 ] Nexa Necis > if we were in REPO we respect standings [ 2009.01.08 05:06:57 ] Lt Weiss > well gentleman thank you for your time the member has been removed as a condition and a courtesy to TRAPS and REPO I hope that this solves the issue Hans as always thank you for your time. Good Evening o7 [ 2009.01.08 05:07:49 ] Hans Gates > 07
Lt Weiss Caldari Krieger Allianz NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:55:00 - [77] It has become apparent to me that there is some level of conversation needed in requards to this post. I can appreciate the fact that Nexa chooses to manipulate the chat logs to put himself and his corp in some sort of state of greatness. However this is not the case, here is what I have seen to be more the truth when we come with the pvp fleet 26 I think it was last time when we popped your faction fitted hyperion that was worth 475 million, and that time we had to sit two jumps away so you would engage. Mostly however you guys dock and talk a great deal of "smack" in local which isnt needed as local never seems to bother me and watching you go off in it gets good laughs on our vent. The smack talk includes but is not limited to complaining about the ratio even though you decd us, then your not happy about how much ECM we use soon you will complain that we use ships and just not our pods. In refernce to the killboard they should be api key loaded so if there are issues with that we are not attempting to hide our losses and everyone takes losses. We dont mind that you keep the war going in fact if you should continue to keep it going for time and eternity we are as we have always said even so you fleet it needed to be censored out of the convo which I know muct have been a copy and paste error, so I posted the actual entire convo and you would like I could post all the actual convos as I have noticed that some of yours lack some of the key sentences that make you look less then what I would say would be anywhere near accurate. But I understand that wars have to won in the minds of the men before they are ever fought on the field of battle. I hope that this has helped clear up some of the questions and wonders that some of the people in this post have made apparent. I wish everyone all of you well - Lt Weiss - Night's Dawn o7
DUCKFEATHERS Amarr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.27 05:08:00 - [78] Originally by: Lt Weiss It has become apparent to me that there is some level of conversation needed in requards to this post. I can appreciate the fact that Nexa chooses to manipulate the chat logs to put himself and his corp in some sort of state of greatness. However this is not the case, here is what I have seen to be more the truth when we come with the pvp fleet 26 I think it was last time when we popped your faction fitted hyperion that was worth 475 million, and that time we had to sit two jumps away so you would engage. Mostly however you guys dock and talk a great deal of "smack" in local which isnt needed as local never seems to bother me and watching you go off in it gets good laughs on our vent. The smack talk includes but is not limited to complaining about the ratio even though you decd us, then your not happy about how much ECM we use soon you will complain that we use ships and just not our pods. In refernce to the killboard they should be api key loaded so if there are issues with that we are not attempting to hide our losses and everyone takes losses. We dont mind that you keep the war going in fact if you should continue to keep it going for time and eternity we are as we have always said even so you fleet it needed to be censored out of the convo which I know muct have been a copy and paste error, so I posted the actual entire convo and you would like I could post all the actual convos as I have noticed that some of yours lack some of the key sentences that make you look less then what I would say would be anywhere near accurate. But I understand that wars have to won in the minds of the men before they are ever fought on the field of battle. I hope that this has helped clear up some of the questions and wonders that some of the people in this post have made apparent.It has become apparent to me that there is some level of conversation needed in requards to this post. I can appreciate the fact that Nexa chooses to manipulate the chat logs to put himself and his corp in some sort of state of greatness. However this is not the case, here is what I have seen to be more the truth when we come with the pvp fleet 26 I think it was last time when we popped your faction fitted hyperion that was worth 475 million, and that time we had to sit two jumps away so you would engage. Mostly however you guys dock and talk a great deal of "smack" in local which isnt needed as local never seems to bother me and watching you go off in it gets good laughs on our vent. The smack talk includes but is not limited to complaining about the ratio even though you decd us, then your not happy about how much ECM we use soon you will complain that we use ships and just not our pods. In refernce to the killboard they should be api key loaded so if there are issues with that we are not attempting to hide our losses and everyone takes losses. We dont mind that you keep the war going in fact if you should continue to keep it going for time and eternity we are as we have always said even so you fleet it needed to be censored out of the convo which I know muct have been a copy and paste error, so I posted the actual entire convo and you would like I could post all the actual convos as I have noticed that some of yours lack some of the key sentences that make you look less then what I would say would be anywhere near accurate. But I understand that wars have to won in the minds of the men before they are ever fought on the field of battle. I hope that this has helped clear up some of the questions and wonders that some of the people in this post have made apparent. I wish everyone all of you well - Lt Weiss - Night's Dawn o7 That was unreadable, I really hope you're not a diplomat for your alliance. ♥
Aveng3X Caldari Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2009.02.01 00:56:00 - [79] Edited by: Aveng3X on 01/02/2009 00:59:22 Originally by: fugazii If you willingly dec someone who you know can blob you, you cannot complain once they do. It's like smoking then complaining once you get cancer. I don't post here often, but I think this is worth a QFT :) Also, juicy.
Major Stallion Caldari The Dark Horses	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:11:00 - [80] Originally by: DUCKFEATHERS Originally by: Lt Weiss It has become apparent to me that there is some level of conversation needed in requards to this post. I can appreciate the fact that Nexa chooses to manipulate the chat logs to put himself and his corp in some sort of state of greatness. However this is not the case, here is what I have seen to be more the truth when we come with the pvp fleet 26 I think it was last time when we popped your faction fitted hyperion that was worth 475 million, and that time we had to sit two jumps away so you would engage. Mostly however you guys dock and talk a great deal of "smack" in local which isnt needed as local never seems to bother me and watching you go off in it gets good laughs on our vent. The smack talk includes but is not limited to complaining about the ratio even though you decd us, then your not happy about how much ECM we use soon you will complain that we use ships and just not our pods. In refernce to the killboard they should be api key loaded so if there are issues with that we are not attempting to hide our losses and everyone takes losses. We dont mind that you keep the war going in fact if you should continue to keep it going for time and eternity we are as we have always said even so you fleet it needed to be censored out of the convo which I know muct have been a copy and paste error, so I posted the actual entire convo and you would like I could post all the actual convos as I have noticed that some of yours lack some of the key sentences that make you look less then what I would say would be anywhere near accurate. But I understand that wars have to won in the minds of the men before they are ever fought on the field of battle. I hope that this has helped clear up some of the questions and wonders that some of the people in this post have made apparent.It has become apparent to me that there is some level of conversation needed in requards to this post. I can appreciate the fact that Nexa chooses to manipulate the chat logs to put himself and his corp in some sort of state of greatness. However this is not the case, here is what I have seen to be more the truth when we come with the pvp fleet 26 I think it was last time when we popped your faction fitted hyperion that was worth 475 million, and that time we had to sit two jumps away so you would engage. Mostly however you guys dock and talk a great deal of "smack" in local which isnt needed as local never seems to bother me and watching you go off in it gets good laughs on our vent. The smack talk includes but is not limited to complaining about the ratio even though you decd us, then your not happy about how much ECM we use soon you will complain that we use ships and just not our pods. In refernce to the killboard they should be api key loaded so if there are issues with that we are not attempting to hide our losses and everyone takes losses. We dont mind that you keep the war going in fact if you should continue to keep it going for time and eternity we are as we have always said even so you fleet it needed to be censored out of the convo which I know muct have been a copy and paste error, so I posted the actual entire convo and you would like I could post all the actual convos as I have noticed that some of yours lack some of the key sentences that make you look less then what I would say would be anywhere near accurate. But I understand that wars have to won in the minds of the men before they are ever fought on the field of battle. I hope that this has helped clear up some of the questions and wonders that some of the people in this post have made apparent. I wish everyone all of you well - Lt Weiss - Night's Dawn o7 That was unreadable, I really hope you're not a diplomat for your alliance. ♥ not only is he a Diplomatic contact, he's the Co-CEO of that horror show
Generalkey Caldari Primary Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.07 12:04:00 - [81] Quote: PS: NIght's Dawn is the 3rd alliance actually. 2nd one was Night's Dawn, and there was another before that. Helghast :)
Nexa Necis Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.02.07 18:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Lt Weiss WALL OF TEXT!!!@! How exactly did I manipulate the chat logs? I was stating that I never agreed to stop the war. I stated what was needed to end it, which was boot ILOE or pay up. You did neither. You're claiming all we do is smack and complain about your tactics/fittings, then where pray tell are those chat logs? If you like, I can post all the chat's from your member's in local that show some smack talk. I can post the emails too. If you really think I edited the convoes to make me somehow look better then post it in a coherent format that normal people can read. You may have noticed, people do not like to read a gigantic wall of text. The same thing goes for 5 pages of chat logs. So I edit for consumption, not for appearances. So be specific. Show where I "manipulated" the chat logs. Show the differences in what I posted and what you have. We would love to see it. I suspect you will say it's a waste of time to show me up. The director of REPO was there. They understood the situation fully once the convo was closed. You refused to pay, you were banking on REPO's friendship to help squash the beef, then you thought booting the initial person we were following would suffice when I had already told ILOE, Terminal and you guys that booting would not be sufficient at this stage of the game. I don't really understand your insults either. You're saying we suck because we don't engage when we're way outnumbered? Who does that? I know you guys certainly don't. I get into a system and it was 4 vs 1 and I was in a Taranis vs a Merlin, Caracal and 2 unknowns. I keep playing around and they get a Rapier to try and catch me and they miss. I dock up and a few minutes later there's another 6 people arriving to help. Then I get emails and smack in local whilst AFK for not engaging when it's pointless to do so. We're way outnumbered, it's costing hundreds of millions to keep you dec'd, we fielded faction BS's for fun, we're killing way more than losing and I can guarantee you, you won't find this type of tenaciousness with many other corps. Most corps get bored after a week or two. We've been taking it to your corps and alliance for almost 2 months. We've completed our goal which was to inflict 10x the damage of the initial surrender fee. I bet your alliance never gets dec'd for over a month by a single corp who is outnumbered 10 to 1.

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