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Dro Nee
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Posted - 2009.01.17 23:46:00 -
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So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant...
Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?)
These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out? |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.17 23:47:00 -
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Anti-pirate is a pseudo-roleplay component of the PvPer group IMO. |
Dro Nee
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Posted - 2009.01.17 23:56:00 -
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hrmm. That sounds plausible.
Wouldnt that mean however that Anti-pie types would *want* to stay in character and actually only shoot pirates? Mos everyone has come across a "anti-pie" that shoot anything that is not blue (Including each other... which was funny as hell to watch when the crying started in local). Or are these people just half-assing thier RP and thats why it comes undone? |
Jonny 101
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:00:00 -
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I'm just me, you know. |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:01:00 -
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I think to qualify as an anti-pirate you need to consistently operate with the mission of only engaging flashy reds or members of self-proclaimed pirate corps. But this limits your pool of available targets pretty considerably, and since an anti-pirate is a PvPer at heart they'll eventually lay aside the NRDS policy and just start engaging whoever in order to get their PvP fix. |
Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:47:00 -
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I'm an anti-pirate. The - stands for Carebear.
Karrade-Confirming all pirate babies come from me Surfin's PlunderBunny-I always knew you were a woman Karrade-I am a man of many talents.
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Kehmor
Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:56:00 -
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I played an anti-pirate for a while. It's frustrating, especially as I am an ex-pirate, but you get more fights than you'd think. Why did I do it? A couple reasons. I didnt want to elt my sec drop, and also I was sick of all the two-bit pirate corps. |
Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.01.18 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny 101 I'm just me, you know.
ahhh, yeah, we know... ;)
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Niding
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.18 02:23:00 -
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Anti-pirates shoot only those that engage neutrals (neutrals, as in those that mind their own buissniss not agressing first).
We do NOT engage flashing reds by default, and you will find alot of anti pirates with neg status/outlaws due to low sec fighting.
A organized approach to NRDS means that all "pirates" will be flagged on a list, and if you maintain this list over years, the number of targets available is HUGE.
Trust me when I say that NRDS entities has no problems in finding enough targets to keep us busy all day.
What it does require is some level of selfrestraint as we dont engage anyone that happens to be within scrambler range . |
Raul Watanabe
Gallente NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.01.18 03:32:00 -
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I am a pirate, i have a peg leg and use it to beat anybody not fast enough to run away
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Celestal
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Posted - 2009.01.18 04:16:00 -
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an aweful lot of `pirates` are simply gate campers that rp PVP |
Hallan Turrek
Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.01.18 10:30:00 -
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Gate camping is not the most profitable endeavor unless you know a good target is coming through.
More often than not, what's coming through is just a blob that knows a good target is camping the gate.
I've yet to encounter real anti-pirates in any local conversations. I imagine they see us as thieves and brigands to be exterminated for the good of all.
We see ourselves as free. We see them as agents of the evil empires and alliances. However they enjoy themselves is up to them, I'll keep grinding out a bit of profit and have some fun doing it.
I don't even have to RP for that. ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts
Check out my blog. |
Willem Revolati
Minmatar Centrafuge
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Posted - 2009.01.18 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Willem Revolati on 18/01/2009 11:41:11 Up until recently my corp ran an anti-pirate policy. I guess when you're converting from carebear to pvp like we did a pirate is the s****of the earth and you could not imagine associating with them. But after a few kills we got the blood lust and chating with some pirate mates we converted to NBSI for the sake of getting alot more targets! Yarrr!
Anti-Pirate was pretty lame, mostly because once you gank a pirate two or three times they start avoiding you and having your name pop up on the pirate intel every moment you enter low sec. Before long the systems will just be emptied out, or pirates just stay docked up, alot of the time we'd be chasing just one flashy red around for a whole night. So yeah, NBSI is more fun |
State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.18 11:53:00 -
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Pirate = Everyone is a target. Yes, it's that simple. Plunder by just blowing you up, destroy your ship and hold pod for ransom, knock out defences and ransom ship or could just Pod kill you for the *squishy* sound it makes. PvP'er = Duels for the fun of it. They may drop cans with junk in them near stations that have labels "1v1 Duel". PvE'er = Does not fight other players, only AI in belts, missions and/or spawn sites. Mercenary (Merc) = Fights for hire where they have no interest in the cause of the war or who they are fighting. Anti-Pirate = Seeks out and fights anyone with a negitive security rating that is a "Pirate"(see above) Pirate Hunter/Bounty Hunter (PH,BH)= They find and kill Pirates for the bounty. Extortionist (EX) = They obtain from another person or Corp by coercion or intimidation. As in War dec'ing and demanding ISK to drop it. Carebear = Slang used to describe those who play EVE in Empire space exclusivly. Mission Runner = Does Agent missions as main source of income. Industrialist (Indy) = Makes ISK by building and selling items on the EVE market or to other players/Corps. Profiteer (Prof'er) = Makes ISK buy buying and selling on the EVE Market or to other players/Corps.
Please note that you can be more then one thing and you can change as often as you like, that's the wonder of EVE. Pirates can sometimes be hired as Mercenaries. Pirate Hunters/Bounty Hunters may PvP to pass the time. Indys and Mercenaries may turn Pirate. There is really no "I'm THIS and will forever be THIS" in EVE. It is really what you make of it, as much or little it's up to you.
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Navtiqes
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.01.18 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dro Nee So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant...
Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?)
These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out?
They all blend into oneanother. Don't strain yourself trying to put people in easy to label boxes.
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Ayari
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2009.01.18 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum I think to qualify as an anti-pirate you need to consistently operate with the mission of only engaging flashy reds or members of self-proclaimed pirate corps. But this limits your pool of available targets pretty considerably, and since an anti-pirate is a PvPer at heart they'll eventually lay aside the NRDS policy and just start engaging whoever in order to get their PvP fix.
Yeah, being an anti-pirate can be a bit dull sometimes, as it's mostly the same bait-and-gank tactic at gatecamps, and if you've wiped their fleet once, they're unlikely to take the bait a second time. Our corp has also in the past come to the aid of non PvP corps that have been wardecced by extortionists. Empire wars can be fun if both sides want to fight and are of generally equal size.
NRDS is a big part of our RoE and we wouldn't accept a pilot who didn't have the discipline and maturity to stick to it. |
Niding
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.18 13:49:00 -
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Quote: Anti-Pirate = Seeks out and fights anyone with a negitive security rating that is a "Pirate"(see above)
I just want to mention that if you blindly engage people with negative security rating, you will end up on CVA KOS list in a hurry and be labeled a pirate
Negative security rating only means you have engaged first under sentries/low sec several times, and its a unavoidable consequence of patroling low sec pipes into 0.0. As mentioned in my first post, alot of people in my own alliance are blinky red/neg sec status even if we run NRDS. |
Opertone
Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.01.18 14:39:00 -
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finding a big pirate and catching him is a difficult task, normally you can't catch a pirate
I wanted to be anti low sec pirate, but they run and don't want to 10 v 1...
pirates love the ganking job a lot, but are smart enough to avoid ganking. Best fights to be had are 10 on 10 battleships without falcons.
Falcons take away your PvP and fun. |
Dro Nee
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Posted - 2009.01.18 19:00:00 -
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So far I have to agree with Nav... All the groups are the same when it comes down to brass tacks. So Pie= anti-pie= Merc= PvP'er
The only difference then is how much RP you want to have in your game (as evidenced by Ayari's comment that they are anti-pie and dont accept people without the maturity to be that.... at least i assume that was RP... otherwise i will LOL)and/or how much keeping your security status high so you can run missions/mine/wutever in safesec is a priority.
Given that RP breaks down when there are no flashy's to shoot, this can get simplified to "OMG, I have to keep sec status up so i can keep using my agent in [insert high qual lvl 4 agent system]!!" for most circumstances.
Thanks for clearing all this up!
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.01.18 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dro Nee The only difference then is how much RP you want to have in your game (as evidenced by Ayari's comment that they are anti-pie and dont accept people without the maturity to be that.... at least i assume that was RP... otherwise i will LOL)
I think you misunderstood that comment there (or I did, but the following is my opinion).
If you say "yes, I will be NRDS," it requires maturity to stick to it. The comment is not about people who never say "I will be NRDS" - if you say "yarrr!" from the beginning, that's cool, too.
I see two differences between pirates and anti-pirates.
One is the "RP" already mentioned, though it exists on multiple levels. We're a full RP alliance, CVA also has mainly RP reasons for their stance, etc., but there are also alliance that are anti-pirate without a big RP background (FOUNDATI0N comes to mind, I'm sure there are others). The important part is not the RP, but the ability to differentiate between in-game and out-of-game stuff. Just because I hunt pirates doesn't mean I think the players of pirates are idiots (please, more pirates, else this boring part thingy starts happening ;-)). Roleplayers have a much easier time doing that, as we already do it for IC/OOC separation. Others need to learn to do that first. (Or succumb to a rather immature "players of pirates are bad!" attitude, which I really can't recommend to anyone)
The other big difference between pirates and anti-pirates is politics. Pirates usually do much less politics. Anti-pirates necessarily need to do a lot of politics, or end up with very few possible targets. This can be seen as an advantage (I like politics in EVE!), or as a disadvantage. Either way, it's something to consider when you choose your side.
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Thyza Groundbite
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Posted - 2009.01.18 21:30:00 -
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I sort them out in 4 categories: Shooters: Poeple who concentrate their efforts on shooting stuff either in belts or in pvp BlendShooters: Poelpe who concentrate on shooting but enjoy the occasional trading or mining Blendnoshooters: Primarily miners or trades who enjoy the occassional shootouts. No-Shooties: Only trade or mine. |
Ayari
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2009.01.18 22:16:00 -
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That's exactly what I meant Arkady, thanks.
Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't mean to.
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve |
Willem Revolati
Minmatar Centrafuge
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Posted - 2009.01.18 23:47:00 -
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Yeah nice post Arkady.
Eve PvP certanly is very unique thing, and is never really a very concrete thing in terms of defining how to group people. For exmaple the NRDS thing might become meaningless if, like you say Arkady, the politics isnt fair, and they could just set reds for the sake of having more targets but keeping 'NRDS' for the sake of staying out of anti-pi trouble in the area. A few weeks ago I have even seen an anti-pi faction attempt to bait my fleet whilst we were on anti-pi sweep of our own, they even refused blue standings and to fleet up, certainly odd behavior for 'anti-pirates'.
And an NBSI pilot is not neccasarily someone who is going to shoot every neutral they see (though for most this is the case). I have a mate of mine who is NBSI just for the sake of shooting people who grief and people he knows have not been playing fair, I think the only difference between him and an anti-pi is the fact he does not care about taking security hits, GCC's, or whether they are flashy to get his targets, this is a view I adopt when on my own NBSI hunts. Some pirates even go for the 'Robin Hood' type RP thing, targetting large corps for the sake of 'helping' the small abnd avoiding the 'oppressive' empires and all that jazz.
Then you have the whole mercanary pvper group, the FW'ers and all the 0.0 pvp politics, which is just as complicated and I cant be bothered to go into :)
Above all it just seems to me that it all just boils down to the single catagory of 'pvper' and their targets, reasoning, the locations they choose, and the politics behind their actions can be inspired by many factors, and I enjoy chatting to people and finding this kind of info out... after all it is just a game :)
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Haalanii
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Posted - 2009.01.19 00:19:00 -
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A anti-pie is a pvp'er, but one has a need to be constantly reassured he's fighting on the side of justice / good / magical pixies of light, etc. Most eventually grow frustrated with defending macro haulers and the two-month-old CNR pilots.
Then, in most cases, they either join a NBSI alliance or start roaming (with NRDS in tact) in search of reds in other regions, which causes them to struggle with the shortcomings NRDS system outside your own space. Since all the neuts are actually hostile, you miss kills or end giving the other guy a leg up because the other guy "wan't red... yet."
Eventually, most hardcore pvp'ers abandon it. Pirate? They just know better than to trust neutrals. |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.01.19 01:01:00 -
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For those interested, there's also a very nice post about NRDS by the leader of the FOUNDATI0N alliance, who are NRDS in 0.0:
FDN forum link |
Ryoken McKeon
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Posted - 2009.01.19 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum I think to qualify as an anti-pirate you need to consistently operate with the mission of only engaging flashy reds or members of self-proclaimed pirate corps. But this limits your pool of available targets pretty considerably, and since an anti-pirate is a PvPer at heart they'll eventually lay aside the NRDS policy and just start engaging whoever in order to get their PvP fix.
This is true, I spent my first 6 months or so as an anti-pirate, but my thirst for blood eventually led me to piracy along with my entire 'anti-pirate' corporation.
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.19 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dro Nee So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant...
Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?)
These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out?
They are all PVP'ers first and most importantly. Whatever they call themselves in local to make themselves look good, is not. Just remember: Undocked mean Unsafe.
/me looks around all paranoid like |
craig0ss
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Posted - 2009.01.19 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: craig0ss on 19/01/2009 09:13:49
Originally by: Dro Nee
Pvp'er = fights in 0.0 Pirate= Fights in low se Merc = Fights in high sec Anti-pie = carebear
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Vampasha
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Posted - 2009.01.19 16:33:00 -
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Anti-Pi just likes to play "pop the blinkie". Its a sport like fox hunting. -------------- I am Zsa Zsa of Borg. Prepare to be assimilated dahling |
Dro Nee
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Posted - 2009.01.19 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Haalanii The term pirate seems to mean "someone who killed me when I didn't want to fight."
This only accentuates (sp?) my statement that ant-pie and pie are the same. I am sure that there have been numerous occasions when a pie was, for whatever reason, not looking for a fight and was shot down by anti-pie blobs. Or you can visualize the scenario that a solo pie is engaged by a ship or set of ships that he stands NO chance of surviving or even harming. In both of these situations the anti-pie are the pie given your statement.
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