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Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:46:00 - [1] So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant... Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?) These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:47:00 - [2] Anti-pirate is a pseudo-roleplay component of the PvPer group IMO.
Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:56:00 - [3] hrmm. That sounds plausible. Wouldnt that mean however that Anti-pie types would want to stay in character and actually only shoot pirates? Mos everyone has come across a "anti-pie" that shoot anything that is not blue (Including each other... which was funny as hell to watch when the crying started in local). Or are these people just half-assing thier RP and thats why it comes undone?
Jonny 101 Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:00:00 - [4] I'm just me, you know.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:01:00 - [5] I think to qualify as an anti-pirate you need to consistently operate with the mission of only engaging flashy reds or members of self-proclaimed pirate corps. But this limits your pool of available targets pretty considerably, and since an anti-pirate is a PvPer at heart they'll eventually lay aside the NRDS policy and just start engaging whoever in order to get their PvP fix.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:47:00 - [6] I'm an anti-pirate. The - stands for Carebear. Karrade-Confirming all pirate babies come from me Surfin's PlunderBunny-I always knew you were a woman Karrade-I am a man of many talents.
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:56:00 - [7] I played an anti-pirate for a while. It's frustrating, especially as I am an ex-pirate, but you get more fights than you'd think. Why did I do it? A couple reasons. I didnt want to elt my sec drop, and also I was sick of all the two-bit pirate corps.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Jonny 101 I'm just me, you know. ahhh, yeah, we know... ;) AK
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.18 02:23:00 - [9] Anti-pirates shoot only those that engage neutrals (neutrals, as in those that mind their own buissniss not agressing first). We do NOT engage flashing reds by default, and you will find alot of anti pirates with neg status/outlaws due to low sec fighting. A organized approach to NRDS means that all "pirates" will be flagged on a list, and if you maintain this list over years, the number of targets available is HUGE. Trust me when I say that NRDS entities has no problems in finding enough targets to keep us busy all day. What it does require is some level of selfrestraint as we dont engage anyone that happens to be within scrambler range .
Raul Watanabe Gallente NQX Innovations	Posted - 2009.01.18 03:32:00 - [10] I am a pirate, i have a peg leg and use it to beat anybody not fast enough to run away
Celestal	Posted - 2009.01.18 04:16:00 - [11] an aweful lot of `pirates` are simply gate campers that rp PVP
Hallan Turrek Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.18 10:30:00 - [12] Gate camping is not the most profitable endeavor unless you know a good target is coming through. More often than not, what's coming through is just a blob that knows a good target is camping the gate. I've yet to encounter real anti-pirates in any local conversations. I imagine they see us as thieves and brigands to be exterminated for the good of all. We see ourselves as free. We see them as agents of the evil empires and alliances. However they enjoy themselves is up to them, I'll keep grinding out a bit of profit and have some fun doing it. I don't even have to RP for that. ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts Check out my blog.
Willem Revolati Minmatar Centrafuge	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:41:00 - [13] Edited by: Willem Revolati on 18/01/2009 11:41:11 Up until recently my corp ran an anti-pirate policy. I guess when you're converting from carebear to pvp like we did a pirate is the s****of the earth and you could not imagine associating with them. But after a few kills we got the blood lust and chating with some pirate mates we converted to NBSI for the sake of getting alot more targets! Yarrr! Anti-Pirate was pretty lame, mostly because once you gank a pirate two or three times they start avoiding you and having your name pop up on the pirate intel every moment you enter low sec. Before long the systems will just be emptied out, or pirates just stay docked up, alot of the time we'd be chasing just one flashy red around for a whole night. So yeah, NBSI is more fun
State Security Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:53:00 - [14] Pirate = Everyone is a target. Yes, it's that simple. Plunder by just blowing you up, destroy your ship and hold pod for ransom, knock out defences and ransom ship or could just Pod kill you for the squishy sound it makes. PvP'er = Duels for the fun of it. They may drop cans with junk in them near stations that have labels "1v1 Duel". PvE'er = Does not fight other players, only AI in belts, missions and/or spawn sites. Mercenary (Merc) = Fights for hire where they have no interest in the cause of the war or who they are fighting. Anti-Pirate = Seeks out and fights anyone with a negitive security rating that is a "Pirate"(see above) Pirate Hunter/Bounty Hunter (PH,BH)= They find and kill Pirates for the bounty. Extortionist (EX) = They obtain from another person or Corp by coercion or intimidation. As in War dec'ing and demanding ISK to drop it. Carebear = Slang used to describe those who play EVE in Empire space exclusivly. Mission Runner = Does Agent missions as main source of income. Industrialist (Indy) = Makes ISK by building and selling items on the EVE market or to other players/Corps. Profiteer (Prof'er) = Makes ISK buy buying and selling on the EVE Market or to other players/Corps. Please note that you can be more then one thing and you can change as often as you like, that's the wonder of EVE. Pirates can sometimes be hired as Mercenaries. Pirate Hunters/Bounty Hunters may PvP to pass the time. Indys and Mercenaries may turn Pirate. There is really no "I'm THIS and will forever be THIS" in EVE. It is really what you make of it, as much or little it's up to you.
Navtiqes Noob Mercs	Posted - 2009.01.18 12:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Dro Nee So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant... Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?) These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out? They all blend into oneanother. Don't strain yourself trying to put people in easy to label boxes.
Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2009.01.18 13:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I think to qualify as an anti-pirate you need to consistently operate with the mission of only engaging flashy reds or members of self-proclaimed pirate corps. But this limits your pool of available targets pretty considerably, and since an anti-pirate is a PvPer at heart they'll eventually lay aside the NRDS policy and just start engaging whoever in order to get their PvP fix. Yeah, being an anti-pirate can be a bit dull sometimes, as it's mostly the same bait-and-gank tactic at gatecamps, and if you've wiped their fleet once, they're unlikely to take the bait a second time. Our corp has also in the past come to the aid of non PvP corps that have been wardecced by extortionists. Empire wars can be fun if both sides want to fight and are of generally equal size. NRDS is a big part of our RoE and we wouldn't accept a pilot who didn't have the discipline and maturity to stick to it.
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.18 13:49:00 - [17] Quote: Anti-Pirate = Seeks out and fights anyone with a negitive security rating that is a "Pirate"(see above) I just want to mention that if you blindly engage people with negative security rating, you will end up on CVA KOS list in a hurry and be labeled a pirate Negative security rating only means you have engaged first under sentries/low sec several times, and its a unavoidable consequence of patroling low sec pipes into 0.0. As mentioned in my first post, alot of people in my own alliance are blinky red/neg sec status even if we run NRDS.
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.18 14:39:00 - [18] finding a big pirate and catching him is a difficult task, normally you can't catch a pirate I wanted to be anti low sec pirate, but they run and don't want to 10 v 1... pirates love the ganking job a lot, but are smart enough to avoid ganking. Best fights to be had are 10 on 10 battleships without falcons. Falcons take away your PvP and fun.
Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.18 19:00:00 - [19] So far I have to agree with Nav... All the groups are the same when it comes down to brass tacks. So Pie= anti-pie= Merc= PvP'er The only difference then is how much RP you want to have in your game (as evidenced by Ayari's comment that they are anti-pie and dont accept people without the maturity to be that.... at least i assume that was RP... otherwise i will LOL)and/or how much keeping your security status high so you can run missions/mine/wutever in safesec is a priority. Given that RP breaks down when there are no flashy's to shoot, this can get simplified to "OMG, I have to keep sec status up so i can keep using my agent in [insert high qual lvl 4 agent system]!!" for most circumstances. Thanks for clearing all this up!
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.01.18 19:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Dro Nee The only difference then is how much RP you want to have in your game (as evidenced by Ayari's comment that they are anti-pie and dont accept people without the maturity to be that.... at least i assume that was RP... otherwise i will LOL) I think you misunderstood that comment there (or I did, but the following is my opinion). If you say "yes, I will be NRDS," it requires maturity to stick to it. The comment is not about people who never say "I will be NRDS" - if you say "yarrr!" from the beginning, that's cool, too. I see two differences between pirates and anti-pirates. One is the "RP" already mentioned, though it exists on multiple levels. We're a full RP alliance, CVA also has mainly RP reasons for their stance, etc., but there are also alliance that are anti-pirate without a big RP background (FOUNDATI0N comes to mind, I'm sure there are others). The important part is not the RP, but the ability to differentiate between in-game and out-of-game stuff. Just because I hunt pirates doesn't mean I think the players of pirates are idiots (please, more pirates, else this boring part thingy starts happening ;-)). Roleplayers have a much easier time doing that, as we already do it for IC/OOC separation. Others need to learn to do that first. (Or succumb to a rather immature "players of pirates are bad!" attitude, which I really can't recommend to anyone) The other big difference between pirates and anti-pirates is politics. Pirates usually do much less politics. Anti-pirates necessarily need to do a lot of politics, or end up with very few possible targets. This can be seen as an advantage (I like politics in EVE!), or as a disadvantage. Either way, it's something to consider when you choose your side.
Thyza Groundbite	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:30:00 - [21] I sort them out in 4 categories: Shooters: Poeple who concentrate their efforts on shooting stuff either in belts or in pvp BlendShooters: Poelpe who concentrate on shooting but enjoy the occasional trading or mining Blendnoshooters: Primarily miners or trades who enjoy the occassional shootouts. No-Shooties: Only trade or mine.
Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2009.01.18 22:16:00 - [22] That's exactly what I meant Arkady, thanks. Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't mean to. Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Willem Revolati Minmatar Centrafuge	Posted - 2009.01.18 23:47:00 - [23] Yeah nice post Arkady. Eve PvP certanly is very unique thing, and is never really a very concrete thing in terms of defining how to group people. For exmaple the NRDS thing might become meaningless if, like you say Arkady, the politics isnt fair, and they could just set reds for the sake of having more targets but keeping 'NRDS' for the sake of staying out of anti-pi trouble in the area. A few weeks ago I have even seen an anti-pi faction attempt to bait my fleet whilst we were on anti-pi sweep of our own, they even refused blue standings and to fleet up, certainly odd behavior for 'anti-pirates'. And an NBSI pilot is not neccasarily someone who is going to shoot every neutral they see (though for most this is the case). I have a mate of mine who is NBSI just for the sake of shooting people who grief and people he knows have not been playing fair, I think the only difference between him and an anti-pi is the fact he does not care about taking security hits, GCC's, or whether they are flashy to get his targets, this is a view I adopt when on my own NBSI hunts. Some pirates even go for the 'Robin Hood' type RP thing, targetting large corps for the sake of 'helping' the small abnd avoiding the 'oppressive' empires and all that jazz. Then you have the whole mercanary pvper group, the FW'ers and all the 0.0 pvp politics, which is just as complicated and I cant be bothered to go into :) Above all it just seems to me that it all just boils down to the single catagory of 'pvper' and their targets, reasoning, the locations they choose, and the politics behind their actions can be inspired by many factors, and I enjoy chatting to people and finding this kind of info out... after all it is just a game :)
Haalanii	Posted - 2009.01.19 00:19:00 - [24] A anti-pie is a pvp'er, but one has a need to be constantly reassured he's fighting on the side of justice / good / magical pixies of light, etc. Most eventually grow frustrated with defending macro haulers and the two-month-old CNR pilots. Then, in most cases, they either join a NBSI alliance or start roaming (with NRDS in tact) in search of reds in other regions, which causes them to struggle with the shortcomings NRDS system outside your own space. Since all the neuts are actually hostile, you miss kills or end giving the other guy a leg up because the other guy "wan't red... yet." Eventually, most hardcore pvp'ers abandon it. Pirate? They just know better than to trust neutrals.
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:01:00 - [25] For those interested, there's also a very nice post about NRDS by the leader of the FOUNDATI0N alliance, who are NRDS in 0.0: FDN forum link
Ryoken McKeon	Posted - 2009.01.19 03:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I think to qualify as an anti-pirate you need to consistently operate with the mission of only engaging flashy reds or members of self-proclaimed pirate corps. But this limits your pool of available targets pretty considerably, and since an anti-pirate is a PvPer at heart they'll eventually lay aside the NRDS policy and just start engaging whoever in order to get their PvP fix. This is true, I spent my first 6 months or so as an anti-pirate, but my thirst for blood eventually led me to piracy along with my entire 'anti-pirate' corporation.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.19 04:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Dro Nee So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant... Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?) These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out? They are all PVP'ers first and most importantly. Whatever they call themselves in local to make themselves look good, is not. Just remember: Undocked mean Unsafe. /me looks around all paranoid like
craig0ss	Posted - 2009.01.19 09:13:00 - [28] Edited by: craig0ss on 19/01/2009 09:13:49 Originally by: Dro Nee Pvp'er = fights in 0.0 Pirate= Fights in low se Merc = Fights in high sec Anti-pie = carebear
Vampasha	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:33:00 - [29] Anti-Pi just likes to play "pop the blinkie". Its a sport like fox hunting. -------------- I am Zsa Zsa of Borg. Prepare to be assimilated dahling
Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Haalanii The term pirate seems to mean "someone who killed me when I didn't want to fight." This only accentuates (sp?) my statement that ant-pie and pie are the same. I am sure that there have been numerous occasions when a pie was, for whatever reason, not looking for a fight and was shot down by anti-pie blobs. Or you can visualize the scenario that a solo pie is engaged by a ship or set of ships that he stands NO chance of surviving or even harming. In both of these situations the anti-pie are the pie given your statement.
Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Vampasha Anti-Pi just likes to play "pop the blinkie". Its a sport like fox hunting. Ok this i understand. Its like a pirate playing "pop the hauler".
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:33:00 - [32] Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 19/01/2009 17:33:54 Well, at the lowest level, it's "people shoot others", so yes, they're pretty much the same. What it boils down to is target selection. The main difference, between what people commonly call "pirate" and "anti-pirate", is how you deal with someone you have no history at all with. Never seen him, his corp, his alliance... The "pirate" will shoot (usually), the "anti-pirate" will not shoot (usually). There are subgroups in each. For example, a bunch of "NBSI" people, mainly from 0.0, will not shoot non-flashies in low-sec because of the global flag. Others might refrain from shooting obvious non-combatants because that is against their notion of "honor". Or they shoot mainly non-combatants and avoid obvious combat pilots because that is how they roll. In the "NRDS" camp, you have people who shoot outlaws, or don't. You have people who shoot people with a "hostile history" - "three days ago he was in a corp we had red, kill him" - or don't. Basically, all of the target selection comes down to politics, as I mentioned in my first post here. If you despise politics, you have to keep your target selection very wide. Oh, and one more thing that is very much the same in all groups: For some reason I have not yet understood fully, there are a large number of people in all of those groups that have to tell themselves continuously that their way is the only true / right / good / fun / manly / etc. way, the others are for wussies / wimps / carebears / griefers / kids who still live with their parents / people who can't get anything done in RL and hence need to compensate in internet spaceships / etc.. I would consider that the OOC/OOG more important separation, even.
Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2009.01.19 21:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Dro Nee Originally by: Haalanii The term pirate seems to mean "someone who killed me when I didn't want to fight." This only accentuates (sp?) my statement that ant-pie and pie are the same. I am sure that there have been numerous occasions when a pie was, for whatever reason, not looking for a fight and was shot down by anti-pie blobs. Or you can visualize the scenario that a solo pie is engaged by a ship or set of ships that he stands NO chance of surviving or even harming. In both of these situations the anti-pie are the pie given your statement. The difference is, you at least have guns fitted, unlike that badger pilot you just podded. You chose to be -5, anti-pirates are there to make sure there are consequences. It's all about Risk vs Reward. Is that BS that just jumped through the gate a juicy target full of T2 loot, or is it the bait for an anti-pirate gang on the other side? Makes things more interesting for you, and makes it less easy for you to sit on a lowsec gate and harvest kills all day. Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.19 23:21:00 - [34] Edited by: Dro Nee on 19/01/2009 23:21:54 Originally by: Ayari The difference is, you at least have guns fitted, unlike that badger pilot you just podded. You chose to be -5, anti-pirates are there to make sure there are consequences. It's all about Risk vs Reward. Is that BS that just jumped through the gate a juicy target full of T2 loot, or is it the bait for an anti-pirate gang on the other side? Makes things more interesting for you, and makes it less easy for you to sit on a lowsec gate and harvest kills all day. LOL 1) Badgers never fit guns/ are bait? No real difference seen here imo. Besides, even with guns fit on my ishkur, the 10 cruisers that might come hunt me yields the same net result as shooting a itty... no risk on the part of the attacker. Therefore no difference can be found at the core level. 2) Anti- pie are there to make sure there are consequences?? So if i am red-flashy I dont have to worry about some other pirate ganking me.... Funny, I live in losec and consider everyone to be hostile, so i dont see what you mean with this comment. There is nothing to distinguish anti-pie from anyone else. 3) Only just gotten into gate work so I cant say i camp.... its really hard to camp in a cruiser or AF. Regardless, sitting on a gate harvesting kills only seems like a way to either A) get what you really want (real fight) or B) easy way of making quick cash... like farming AE or WC. If anti-pie are dirupting the B) scenario then they are no different than the "griefers" they supposedly are fighting against.
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.01.19 23:37:00 - [35] I don't particularly care about the "you shoot defenseless haulers" attack. A hauler is not defenseless. PvP is not only about shooting each other. Avoiding unfavorable fights is a great part of PvP, and that is what haulers do. And a good hauler pilot can be very good at this. It's what hauler pilots should aspire to: Being very difficult to impossible to catch by pirates. Then it's just the same pvp engagement. Pirates win if they catch it, haulers win if they escape. But: Originally by: Dro Nee sitting on a gate harvesting kills only seems like a way to [...] B) easy way of making quick cash... like farming AE or WC. If anti-pie are dirupting the B) scenario then they are no different than the "griefers" they supposedly are fighting against. This is some impressively warped logic right there! :-) But meh, on an OOC level, it's not about the moral upper hand. It's a game, and piracy is part of the game, and the game would be damn dull if it weren't for piracy. Same without anti-piracy.
Odessima Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Arkady Sadik For those interested, there's also a very nice post about NRDS by the leader of the FOUNDATI0N alliance, who are NRDS in 0.0: FDN forum link Yes, so they set people either Red or Blue and anything else is accidental friendly fire, and sometimes the Blue should be Reds and the Reds Blue. TBH the main difference is that Pirates dont hide the fact that they are Pirates and dont care about security hits. IF you put griefers into the mix which I wouldnt term pirates, they are just in it to make their targets time in eve as uncomfortable as possible, as it gives them a power trip. Basically we are all here to have fun unfortunately all to often one persons definition of fun doesnt mean the person on the receiveing end is going to enjoy it quite so much.
Jettax Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:04:00 - [37] And another term that gets thrown around a bit lately is terrorist. I've assumed it just means someone that comes into an area with a primary objective of causing destruction, isk and loot is not the primary motivation. From my experience they tend to be outnumbered and rely on skirmish tactics. Their goals could be to destabilise a region, as a kinda unofficial war to weaken their enemies, or just simple anarchy and pvping. Well that's what I think it means, if anyone can comment on it if I'm mistaken I'd appreciate it.
mining mime	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:41:00 - [38] Electus Matari = anti-pirate rp
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2009.01.22 02:15:00 - [39] Anti-Pirate is either due to RP reasons, or due to some weird sense of videogame "morality", whereby the anti-pies are really just PvPers who are too afraid to handle gateguns and lack alts to get stuff from highsec for them when their sec status drops too low. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group ACSG Open Recruitment- AU/NZ/AsiaPac/Late Nighters- Come kill with us. Or a
Lucia Wilber Minmatar The Steel Vipers	Posted - 2009.01.22 05:01:00 - [40] Ultimately, a "pirate" is someone that is in it for profits. While the dictionary definition of pirate is very loosely defined, the profession of piracy has always placed profits and financial gain above all else. Pirates didn't attack ships unless they had a good chance of winning or were desperate, and they never destroyed other ships "just because". They picked and chose targets based on the potential loot they could come away with, and many pirates were known to ransom off their captives or demand payment in exchange for letting the crew live, and lo' and behold, they often honored these agreements, because a pirate's reputation was usually important to him. Of course, internet anonymity being what it is, you're bound to encounter a larger number of dishonorable pirates since they really don't have to answer to anyone. However, people that kill you "just because" and only take profit if it happens to occur are not pirates, they are PKs.
Sollana Amarr Davy Jones Locker Enforcers of Serenity	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:42:00 - [41] THE view of an anti-pi. my view on this as a pilot who operates on NRDS, is that we are the regions militia, an allaince of alliances and corporations to protect those who wish to mine and rat and mission in relative safety. We generally have enuff combat pilots stationed within the low sec pocket to immediately come to the aid of a neut or blue in trouble. We dont generally hunt pirates, unless we have them as red.... thats another thing, pirates changing corps every darn week to avoid standings is lame, just because your in a different corp your still red to us unless to replace the assets you destroyed. I personally view killing pirates as redemption for all the time i got killed in my game career. also anti-pies in my opinion are those trying to make peace in the eve universe. A lost cause? WE dont think so. Pirates, i know loads of them and have good relationships with lots that i have encountered in the past, we all play the game, we all know where we stand and that also adds to the enjoyment of the game. Pirates love to come to our pocket knowing they will get a fight, be they win or loose... respect is shown. We love to chase pirates and play the investigation game and locate there home systems, ratting systems etc to perform skirmish attacks.... it makes the game interesting and when you kill i pirate after a long history of fights the respect is shown, we all say gf and move on. We dont smack talk, you get pirates that do, all in fun. my view its a game and we all play it our own way....
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:55:00 - [42] Edited by: H Lecter on 22/01/2009 17:55:26 Originally by: Sollana I personally view killing pirates as redemption for all the time i got killed in my game career. That's how I started, then I got killed by the pies I tried to engage and decided I'd learn from them and joined them I like your attitude towards the game - Eve needs more people like you and less stupid smack. [Edit: need to learn quoting...] My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.01.22 18:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Dro Nee So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant... Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?) These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out? The line between anti pie and regular pie is so thin its hard to define. I would say from being on both side of this as i have done both the advantages to being anti pie is that you can trap some pies at high sec gates to where they cant jump threw some will just to deny a kill.And if your lucky maybe they will aggro you and you get sentry's on your side which is nice sometimes as well.But think just boils down to your personal play style and we spend too much time trying to define everything .
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2009.01.22 22:49:00 - [44] I guess I'm none of the above choices then. :S I like to PvP, but I pvp my way an donly my way >:]
Marius Deterium Caldari The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2009.01.22 23:02:00 - [45] I wish there were more anti-pirates. Please, come fight.
Athas Darksun Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.01.23 02:27:00 - [46] Edited by: Athas Darksun on 23/01/2009 02:30:37 Originally by: Lucia Wilber Ultimately, a "pirate" is someone that is in it for profits. While the dictionary definition of pirate is very loosely defined, the profession of piracy has always placed profits and financial gain above all else. Pirates didn't attack ships unless they had a good chance of winning or were desperate, and they never destroyed other ships "just because". They picked and chose targets based on the potential loot they could come away with, and many pirates were known to ransom off their captives or demand payment in exchange for letting the crew live, and lo' and behold, they often honored these agreements, because a pirate's reputation was usually important to him. Of course, internet anonymity being what it is, you're bound to encounter a larger number of dishonorable pirates since they really don't have to answer to anyone. However, people that kill you "just because" and only take profit if it happens to occur are not pirates, they are PKs. This is (Pirate)... Originally by: Jettax And another term that gets thrown around a bit lately is terrorist. I've assumed it just means someone that comes into an area with a primary objective of causing destruction, isk and loot is not the primary motivation. From my experience they tend to be outnumbered and rely on skirmish tactics. Their goals could be to destabilise a region, as a kinda unofficial war to weaken their enemies, or just simple anarchy and pvping. Well that's what I think it means, if anyone can comment on it if I'm mistaken I'd appreciate it. This is those that just shoot (Terrorist)..and the thought of a ransom never enters their mind.
Triksterism Gallente z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity	Posted - 2009.01.26 09:03:00 - [47] I made this to help you out. http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3549/evewutjt3.jpg
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.01.26 18:21:00 - [48] Anti-pirates are the missionrunners who claim to be antipies, but at most they just smack a bit when you pop their ratting ship. Their only real act of antipiracy is popping those evil NPC pirates in missions and belts. What we need is more real, aggressive anti-pies or even counter-pirates who live only to pop as many flashy reds as possible.
Greenbolt Minmatar The Suicide Kings True Reign	Posted - 2009.01.26 18:33:00 - [49] Edited by: Greenbolt on 26/01/2009 18:35:06 I went anti-pirate in the beginning of my pvp career for the pure reason that hunting a hunter is alot more enjoyable and challanging than hunting a prey creature. Most pirates know how to avoid ganks..know what a bait ship is..are fit to fight..and have an idea of situational awareness. They are hunters. Finding..and ganking such was a very satisfying event. Much more fun than randomly ganking idiots in belts or flying through the wrong gate that had no clue how to fly their ships. Ive recently in my career (after a couple years in space) moved to pure 0.0 NRDS group where most the fights we get are also against roaming gangs or other organized combatents that are looking for a fight. Its alot more fun and challanging. Unfortantely for me unlike a pirate...I have to make isk on the side because the targets I usually go after are not high profit..a few T2 mods maybe a faction mod now n then if im lucky. And there is a much higher risk of my ship going splat. --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Bruce Scythe Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:16:00 - [50] I played an Anti-Pirate when I accidentally joined an Anti-Pirate corporation for a day. Didn't realise and I told them I was stealing peoples ore in high sec and they didn't like me. Now Anti-Pie, on the other hand, is defined as: "The Mass Consumption of zee Pies" Ala Weebl and Bob. But they can't afford the pie usually, so they are antianti-pie, which is unfortunate. I only the other hand, am an Anti-Pie of Apple pies, and steak pies. Om nom nom. When I find a person who is a pie I kill him, by eating him. But really I am not killing him, I am his revelation, and his reward. And he embraceth unto me, and I giveth him thine sauce, and I taketh one bite. More om noms. Arriba! Atomico Mexicano! Quote: So thus i will sip ****tails and give them the Vs
Bruce Scythe Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:18:00 - [51] THE BOOK OF PIE: CHAPTER ONE: THE BEGGINING... Oh **it Arriba! Atomico Mexicano! Quote: So thus i will sip **tails and give them the Vs
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Sons-Of-Anarchy	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:48:00 - [52] Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 26/01/2009 23:49:05 anti pirates have a short life span dute to them selves turn flashy red and either: 1. turn pirate (due to local coments "oi your red!!! your a piwat!!....guess i am then") 2. selfdestructing (due to paranoia fore seeing flashy red all the time) 3. modefying overview setting and grapics so they aint red flashies anymore Recruitment Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Draeca What we need is more real, aggressive anti-pies or even counter-pirates who live only to pop as many flashy reds as possible. In other words, Moar Pirates!
HySider Caldari Filthy Scum	Posted - 2009.01.27 12:10:00 - [54] Originally by: Dro Nee So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant... Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?) These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out? you missed out griefers
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2009.01.27 18:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Arkady Sadik For those interested, there's also a very nice post about NRDS by the leader of the FOUNDATI0N alliance, who are NRDS in 0.0: FDN forum link Just read through this - excellent read. Thanks for posting the link. These guys are classy - the kind of group that I would be proud to be associated with.
Bruce Scythe Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.01.27 18:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Ka Jolo Originally by: Draeca What we need is more real, aggressive anti-pies or even counter-pirates who live only to pop as many flashy reds as possible. In other words, Moar Pirates! Except they won't really be pirates, because they would have good standing if they only popped flashies, amirite? Arriba! Atomico Mexicano! Quote: So thus i will sip ****tails and give them the Vs
Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:02:00 - [57] Is this really still going?? Damn me and my apathy, I cant even be bothered to read/post in my own troll thread consitantly. /me fails EVE

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