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Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Vampasha Anti-Pi just likes to play "pop the blinkie". Its a sport like fox hunting. Ok this i understand. Its like a pirate playing "pop the hauler".
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:33:00 - [32] Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 19/01/2009 17:33:54 Well, at the lowest level, it's "people shoot others", so yes, they're pretty much the same. What it boils down to is target selection. The main difference, between what people commonly call "pirate" and "anti-pirate", is how you deal with someone you have no history at all with. Never seen him, his corp, his alliance... The "pirate" will shoot (usually), the "anti-pirate" will not shoot (usually). There are subgroups in each. For example, a bunch of "NBSI" people, mainly from 0.0, will not shoot non-flashies in low-sec because of the global flag. Others might refrain from shooting obvious non-combatants because that is against their notion of "honor". Or they shoot mainly non-combatants and avoid obvious combat pilots because that is how they roll. In the "NRDS" camp, you have people who shoot outlaws, or don't. You have people who shoot people with a "hostile history" - "three days ago he was in a corp we had red, kill him" - or don't. Basically, all of the target selection comes down to politics, as I mentioned in my first post here. If you despise politics, you have to keep your target selection very wide. Oh, and one more thing that is very much the same in all groups: For some reason I have not yet understood fully, there are a large number of people in all of those groups that have to tell themselves continuously that their way is the only true / right / good / fun / manly / etc. way, the others are for wussies / wimps / carebears / griefers / kids who still live with their parents / people who can't get anything done in RL and hence need to compensate in internet spaceships / etc.. I would consider that the OOC/OOG more important separation, even.
Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2009.01.19 21:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Dro Nee Originally by: Haalanii The term pirate seems to mean "someone who killed me when I didn't want to fight." This only accentuates (sp?) my statement that ant-pie and pie are the same. I am sure that there have been numerous occasions when a pie was, for whatever reason, not looking for a fight and was shot down by anti-pie blobs. Or you can visualize the scenario that a solo pie is engaged by a ship or set of ships that he stands NO chance of surviving or even harming. In both of these situations the anti-pie are the pie given your statement. The difference is, you at least have guns fitted, unlike that badger pilot you just podded. You chose to be -5, anti-pirates are there to make sure there are consequences. It's all about Risk vs Reward. Is that BS that just jumped through the gate a juicy target full of T2 loot, or is it the bait for an anti-pirate gang on the other side? Makes things more interesting for you, and makes it less easy for you to sit on a lowsec gate and harvest kills all day. Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.19 23:21:00 - [34] Edited by: Dro Nee on 19/01/2009 23:21:54 Originally by: Ayari The difference is, you at least have guns fitted, unlike that badger pilot you just podded. You chose to be -5, anti-pirates are there to make sure there are consequences. It's all about Risk vs Reward. Is that BS that just jumped through the gate a juicy target full of T2 loot, or is it the bait for an anti-pirate gang on the other side? Makes things more interesting for you, and makes it less easy for you to sit on a lowsec gate and harvest kills all day. LOL 1) Badgers never fit guns/ are bait? No real difference seen here imo. Besides, even with guns fit on my ishkur, the 10 cruisers that might come hunt me yields the same net result as shooting a itty... no risk on the part of the attacker. Therefore no difference can be found at the core level. 2) Anti- pie are there to make sure there are consequences?? So if i am red-flashy I dont have to worry about some other pirate ganking me.... Funny, I live in losec and consider everyone to be hostile, so i dont see what you mean with this comment. There is nothing to distinguish anti-pie from anyone else. 3) Only just gotten into gate work so I cant say i camp.... its really hard to camp in a cruiser or AF. Regardless, sitting on a gate harvesting kills only seems like a way to either A) get what you really want (real fight) or B) easy way of making quick cash... like farming AE or WC. If anti-pie are dirupting the B) scenario then they are no different than the "griefers" they supposedly are fighting against.
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.01.19 23:37:00 - [35] I don't particularly care about the "you shoot defenseless haulers" attack. A hauler is not defenseless. PvP is not only about shooting each other. Avoiding unfavorable fights is a great part of PvP, and that is what haulers do. And a good hauler pilot can be very good at this. It's what hauler pilots should aspire to: Being very difficult to impossible to catch by pirates. Then it's just the same pvp engagement. Pirates win if they catch it, haulers win if they escape. But: Originally by: Dro Nee sitting on a gate harvesting kills only seems like a way to [...] B) easy way of making quick cash... like farming AE or WC. If anti-pie are dirupting the B) scenario then they are no different than the "griefers" they supposedly are fighting against. This is some impressively warped logic right there! :-) But meh, on an OOC level, it's not about the moral upper hand. It's a game, and piracy is part of the game, and the game would be damn dull if it weren't for piracy. Same without anti-piracy.
Odessima Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Arkady Sadik For those interested, there's also a very nice post about NRDS by the leader of the FOUNDATI0N alliance, who are NRDS in 0.0: FDN forum link Yes, so they set people either Red or Blue and anything else is accidental friendly fire, and sometimes the Blue should be Reds and the Reds Blue. TBH the main difference is that Pirates dont hide the fact that they are Pirates and dont care about security hits. IF you put griefers into the mix which I wouldnt term pirates, they are just in it to make their targets time in eve as uncomfortable as possible, as it gives them a power trip. Basically we are all here to have fun unfortunately all to often one persons definition of fun doesnt mean the person on the receiveing end is going to enjoy it quite so much.
Jettax Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:04:00 - [37] And another term that gets thrown around a bit lately is terrorist. I've assumed it just means someone that comes into an area with a primary objective of causing destruction, isk and loot is not the primary motivation. From my experience they tend to be outnumbered and rely on skirmish tactics. Their goals could be to destabilise a region, as a kinda unofficial war to weaken their enemies, or just simple anarchy and pvping. Well that's what I think it means, if anyone can comment on it if I'm mistaken I'd appreciate it.
mining mime	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:41:00 - [38] Electus Matari = anti-pirate rp
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2009.01.22 02:15:00 - [39] Anti-Pirate is either due to RP reasons, or due to some weird sense of videogame "morality", whereby the anti-pies are really just PvPers who are too afraid to handle gateguns and lack alts to get stuff from highsec for them when their sec status drops too low. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group ACSG Open Recruitment- AU/NZ/AsiaPac/Late Nighters- Come kill with us. Or a
Lucia Wilber Minmatar The Steel Vipers	Posted - 2009.01.22 05:01:00 - [40] Ultimately, a "pirate" is someone that is in it for profits. While the dictionary definition of pirate is very loosely defined, the profession of piracy has always placed profits and financial gain above all else. Pirates didn't attack ships unless they had a good chance of winning or were desperate, and they never destroyed other ships "just because". They picked and chose targets based on the potential loot they could come away with, and many pirates were known to ransom off their captives or demand payment in exchange for letting the crew live, and lo' and behold, they often honored these agreements, because a pirate's reputation was usually important to him. Of course, internet anonymity being what it is, you're bound to encounter a larger number of dishonorable pirates since they really don't have to answer to anyone. However, people that kill you "just because" and only take profit if it happens to occur are not pirates, they are PKs.
Sollana Amarr Davy Jones Locker Enforcers of Serenity	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:42:00 - [41] THE view of an anti-pi. my view on this as a pilot who operates on NRDS, is that we are the regions militia, an allaince of alliances and corporations to protect those who wish to mine and rat and mission in relative safety. We generally have enuff combat pilots stationed within the low sec pocket to immediately come to the aid of a neut or blue in trouble. We dont generally hunt pirates, unless we have them as red.... thats another thing, pirates changing corps every darn week to avoid standings is lame, just because your in a different corp your still red to us unless to replace the assets you destroyed. I personally view killing pirates as redemption for all the time i got killed in my game career. also anti-pies in my opinion are those trying to make peace in the eve universe. A lost cause? WE dont think so. Pirates, i know loads of them and have good relationships with lots that i have encountered in the past, we all play the game, we all know where we stand and that also adds to the enjoyment of the game. Pirates love to come to our pocket knowing they will get a fight, be they win or loose... respect is shown. We love to chase pirates and play the investigation game and locate there home systems, ratting systems etc to perform skirmish attacks.... it makes the game interesting and when you kill i pirate after a long history of fights the respect is shown, we all say gf and move on. We dont smack talk, you get pirates that do, all in fun. my view its a game and we all play it our own way....
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:55:00 - [42] Edited by: H Lecter on 22/01/2009 17:55:26 Originally by: Sollana I personally view killing pirates as redemption for all the time i got killed in my game career. That's how I started, then I got killed by the pies I tried to engage and decided I'd learn from them and joined them I like your attitude towards the game - Eve needs more people like you and less stupid smack. [Edit: need to learn quoting...] My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.01.22 18:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Dro Nee So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant... Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?) These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out? The line between anti pie and regular pie is so thin its hard to define. I would say from being on both side of this as i have done both the advantages to being anti pie is that you can trap some pies at high sec gates to where they cant jump threw some will just to deny a kill.And if your lucky maybe they will aggro you and you get sentry's on your side which is nice sometimes as well.But think just boils down to your personal play style and we spend too much time trying to define everything .
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2009.01.22 22:49:00 - [44] I guess I'm none of the above choices then. :S I like to PvP, but I pvp my way an donly my way >:]
Marius Deterium Caldari The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2009.01.22 23:02:00 - [45] I wish there were more anti-pirates. Please, come fight.
Athas Darksun Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.01.23 02:27:00 - [46] Edited by: Athas Darksun on 23/01/2009 02:30:37 Originally by: Lucia Wilber Ultimately, a "pirate" is someone that is in it for profits. While the dictionary definition of pirate is very loosely defined, the profession of piracy has always placed profits and financial gain above all else. Pirates didn't attack ships unless they had a good chance of winning or were desperate, and they never destroyed other ships "just because". They picked and chose targets based on the potential loot they could come away with, and many pirates were known to ransom off their captives or demand payment in exchange for letting the crew live, and lo' and behold, they often honored these agreements, because a pirate's reputation was usually important to him. Of course, internet anonymity being what it is, you're bound to encounter a larger number of dishonorable pirates since they really don't have to answer to anyone. However, people that kill you "just because" and only take profit if it happens to occur are not pirates, they are PKs. This is (Pirate)... Originally by: Jettax And another term that gets thrown around a bit lately is terrorist. I've assumed it just means someone that comes into an area with a primary objective of causing destruction, isk and loot is not the primary motivation. From my experience they tend to be outnumbered and rely on skirmish tactics. Their goals could be to destabilise a region, as a kinda unofficial war to weaken their enemies, or just simple anarchy and pvping. Well that's what I think it means, if anyone can comment on it if I'm mistaken I'd appreciate it. This is those that just shoot (Terrorist)..and the thought of a ransom never enters their mind.
Triksterism Gallente z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity	Posted - 2009.01.26 09:03:00 - [47] I made this to help you out. http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3549/evewutjt3.jpg
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.01.26 18:21:00 - [48] Anti-pirates are the missionrunners who claim to be antipies, but at most they just smack a bit when you pop their ratting ship. Their only real act of antipiracy is popping those evil NPC pirates in missions and belts. What we need is more real, aggressive anti-pies or even counter-pirates who live only to pop as many flashy reds as possible.
Greenbolt Minmatar The Suicide Kings True Reign	Posted - 2009.01.26 18:33:00 - [49] Edited by: Greenbolt on 26/01/2009 18:35:06 I went anti-pirate in the beginning of my pvp career for the pure reason that hunting a hunter is alot more enjoyable and challanging than hunting a prey creature. Most pirates know how to avoid ganks..know what a bait ship is..are fit to fight..and have an idea of situational awareness. They are hunters. Finding..and ganking such was a very satisfying event. Much more fun than randomly ganking idiots in belts or flying through the wrong gate that had no clue how to fly their ships. Ive recently in my career (after a couple years in space) moved to pure 0.0 NRDS group where most the fights we get are also against roaming gangs or other organized combatents that are looking for a fight. Its alot more fun and challanging. Unfortantely for me unlike a pirate...I have to make isk on the side because the targets I usually go after are not high profit..a few T2 mods maybe a faction mod now n then if im lucky. And there is a much higher risk of my ship going splat. --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Bruce Scythe Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:16:00 - [50] I played an Anti-Pirate when I accidentally joined an Anti-Pirate corporation for a day. Didn't realise and I told them I was stealing peoples ore in high sec and they didn't like me. Now Anti-Pie, on the other hand, is defined as: "The Mass Consumption of zee Pies" Ala Weebl and Bob. But they can't afford the pie usually, so they are antianti-pie, which is unfortunate. I only the other hand, am an Anti-Pie of Apple pies, and steak pies. Om nom nom. When I find a person who is a pie I kill him, by eating him. But really I am not killing him, I am his revelation, and his reward. And he embraceth unto me, and I giveth him thine sauce, and I taketh one bite. More om noms. Arriba! Atomico Mexicano! Quote: So thus i will sip ****tails and give them the Vs
Bruce Scythe Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:18:00 - [51] THE BOOK OF PIE: CHAPTER ONE: THE BEGGINING... Oh **it Arriba! Atomico Mexicano! Quote: So thus i will sip **tails and give them the Vs
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Sons-Of-Anarchy	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:48:00 - [52] Edited by: Adeptus mecanicus on 26/01/2009 23:49:05 anti pirates have a short life span dute to them selves turn flashy red and either: 1. turn pirate (due to local coments "oi your red!!! your a piwat!!....guess i am then") 2. selfdestructing (due to paranoia fore seeing flashy red all the time) 3. modefying overview setting and grapics so they aint red flashies anymore Recruitment Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Draeca What we need is more real, aggressive anti-pies or even counter-pirates who live only to pop as many flashy reds as possible. In other words, Moar Pirates!
HySider Caldari Filthy Scum	Posted - 2009.01.27 12:10:00 - [54] Originally by: Dro Nee So I was just trying to figure out what these catagories meant... Pirate= Fights for ransom money PvP'er= Fights for fight Merc = Fights for contract ISK Anti-pie= fights for enhanced corp cohesion (?) These were the only things that I could come up with that really were defining of the groups. Someone care to help me figure this out? you missed out griefers
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2009.01.27 18:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Arkady Sadik For those interested, there's also a very nice post about NRDS by the leader of the FOUNDATI0N alliance, who are NRDS in 0.0: FDN forum link Just read through this - excellent read. Thanks for posting the link. These guys are classy - the kind of group that I would be proud to be associated with.
Bruce Scythe Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.01.27 18:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Ka Jolo Originally by: Draeca What we need is more real, aggressive anti-pies or even counter-pirates who live only to pop as many flashy reds as possible. In other words, Moar Pirates! Except they won't really be pirates, because they would have good standing if they only popped flashies, amirite? Arriba! Atomico Mexicano! Quote: So thus i will sip ****tails and give them the Vs
Dro Nee	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:02:00 - [57] Is this really still going?? Damn me and my apathy, I cant even be bothered to read/post in my own troll thread consitantly. /me fails EVE

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