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Victoria Ehr Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.19 07:58:00 - [1] Okay most of us have done it at some point with a friend or just for the hell of it. We exchange a can with a neutral so that we can shoot at each other. Why don't we just make an option allowing us click on someone you wish to Pvp against and propose a dual with that person who then has the option to either (auto decline pvp duals) or he can get a pop-up of the proposed dual and can accept or decline it. Most of the time people who want to dual have agreed to it via chat anyways. This not only makes pvp a bit easier for those not at war with each other or in the same corp. It increases ship losses, which increases market activity and it also gives players more options for fun consensual pvp which we (almost) all of us enjoy. Just an idea.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2009.01.19 08:20:00 - [2] Firstly it is "duel" not "dual". Secondly, you can already accomplish this, by flipping each others cans. Id rather CCP spend their time on more pressing issues. TL:DR = NO --
HawkBunny	Posted - 2009.01.19 08:30:00 - [3] what would really be so bad about it?
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.01.19 08:46:00 - [4] Originally by: HawkBunny what would really be so bad about it? WoW is that way ===========================> Want duels? They have tons there. CCP has more pressing issues than this. --Isaac
Grigo M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.01.19 10:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Treelox Firstly it is "duel" not "dual". Secondly, you can already accomplish this, by flipping each others cans. Id rather CCP spend their time on more pressing issues. TL:DR = NO actualy u can not duel farly...remove the posibility of remote rep/boosting on the dueling couple....and then u actualy have a fare 1vs1 pvp suported RO Originally by: Avernus ...some kudos to using your main to post like an asshat though... doesn't really take balls though, you're on the internet.
Ted Grayham	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:11:00 - [6]
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 19/01/2009 16:54:35 As it was already stated.... most duels are dishonored by interference or acts of cowardice... while I may not duel myself... I tend to refuse them because of that fact. Supported. If your going to duel... you fight to the death... and everyone else should stay the #### out of the way... short of watching. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Santiago Fahahrri on 19/01/2009 16:58:04 A duel is a contest of honor. If you have lowered yourself to dueling dishonorable opponents, the shame is yours. It is not neccessary to spend time developing game mechanics when combat is already allowable. I do not support. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:15:00 - [9] I guess you are just talking about hisec? CONCORD might allow it - for a price. A few million ISK, at least? And if you just want a dual without paying, then losec, or even nullsec, is thataway >>> Though to be honest I quite like the current can flagging method. More like a throwing down a gauntlet kind of thing. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:46:00 - [10] I think the problem is not the ability to "Throw down" a challenge. Its interference... And asking them to go to LowSec/NullSec only compounds the problem.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:36:00 - [11] NPCs or magic buttons should enforce a "carebear pvp mode" in low sec and null sec. Players enforce the rules in low sec and null sec. If you don't like it then gtfo of low/null sec. If you want a "carebear pvp mode" in high sec then you solved the problem yourself, use can aggro mechanics. An arena setup so that players can create a tournament easily for their corp/alliance for ****s and giggles would be nice, but you are blatantly asking for a carebear World of Warcraft mechanic to be added into EVE so my standard "GTFO of EVE" response applies.
Victoria Ehr Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.19 21:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Vaal Erit NPCs or magic buttons should enforce a "carebear pvp mode" in low sec and null sec. Players enforce the rules in low sec and null sec. If you don't like it then gtfo of low/null sec. If you want a "carebear pvp mode" in high sec then you solved the problem yourself, use can aggro mechanics. An arena setup so that players can create a tournament easily for their corp/alliance for ****s and giggles would be nice, but you are blatantly asking for a carebear World of Warcraft mechanic to be added into EVE so my standard "GTFO of EVE" response applies. Well gee Vaal, you're about as bad at subject comprehension as I am at spelling. All I am proposing is an alternative to can flipping. Two people in high sec want to throw down, instead of flipping cans; have a scroll down option where you can request a pvp flag with the other ship, which can then be accepted or denied by that ships player. Can flipping works too, I am just throwing out an idea to make the process a bit more streamlined. So Vaal Ert how am I asking for a carebear world or warcraft mechanic again? Lets meet sometime and go flip cans with each other mmk? -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
Cpt Jagermeister Leather Roughnecks	Posted - 2009.01.19 23:35:00 - [13] I think it should allow pvp between the 2 parties for their current ships only. This way someone doesn't accept and go grab a bigger ship etc. On another note, wtf is wrong with you people? This is a decent and simple little idea to make the game just a bit better.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.20 02:49:00 - [14] Underhanded stuff makes EVE EVE. Removing that is bad. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.01.20 03:14:00 - [15] Relying on game mechanics to set up "safe" fights sounds like every MMO I gave up on.. it ain't Eve.
HawkBunny	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:43:00 - [16] Edited by: HawkBunny on 20/01/2009 06:42:59 Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Originally by: HawkBunny what would really be so bad about it? WoW is that way ===========================> Want duels? They have tons there. CCP has more pressing issues than this. --Isaac You really need to learn to insult someone better. Maybe a your momma joke. WoW has 1 million subs it is possible there are game mechanics in WoW that are gasp good. While I would never want eve to turn into a WoW clone. I still would like to have a 1v1 pvp fight or tournament style fight if i wanted to instead of getting jump and poped like a school girl from those meanie pirates. I am no game dev but i am still pretty sure it wouldn't be that hard to make this happen. And for some reason i think it might help eve in some way possibly by accepting change instead of hiding from it like i do sun light. And while i do accept that i will be flamed for this. Think about this on the WoW forums that's all they ever do is complain and flame each other . But please if u do flame me try to do a good job kthxbye.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.20 08:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Victoria Ehr Well gee Vaal, you're about as bad at subject comprehension as I am at spelling. All I am proposing is an alternative to can flipping. Two people in high sec want to throw down, instead of flipping cans; have a scroll down option where you can request a pvp flag with the other ship, which can then be accepted or denied by that ships player. Can flipping works too, I am just throwing out an idea to make the process a bit more streamlined. So Vaal Ert how am I asking for a carebear world or warcraft mechanic again? Lets meet sometime and go flip cans with each other mmk? Maybe you should train Basic Reading to level 1? "Duel PvP flags" are a very popular World of Warcraft and WoW clone mechanic. Sorry if you are clueless to one of the most popular video games ever, but I like to know what I am talking about. What I am against, is the IMMUNITY from interference from other players while "dueling" in low/null sec. The whole point of EVE, what makes it different from any WoW clone is that you are free to do what you want, which most certainly includes disrupting other people's business. What you propose is a restriction on this freedom by making it so you cannot interfere with "duels" in low/null sec. This is against one of the primary concepts of EVE: non-consensual combat. As for your bravado, I have no fear of noob MM drake pilot #146731. I don't even have to look at your killboard. You are MM/ex-bruce + you are whining about non-consensual PvP = you fly a drake. I have heard your whine before and it is pathetic. I do not "duel" people in high sec space, I do things like ohhh say help kick your previous worthless alliance out of fountain. "Duels" in high sec space are completely useless to the game. They do not properly mimic low/null sec combat so they are useless for training. Streamlining the process is useless, it is already streamlined. You warp to a planet/safespot and drop a can with 1 ammo; other play picks up 1 piece of ammo and you get to your carebear ranges and carebear each other to half armor and pretend like you are relevant to anything. I have already briefly gone over what I would like a tournament style of combat to be in EVE which would include gasp 1v1 "duels". Your idea would bring nothing to the game. If you came up with an idea that would improve the game, I would certainly support it, but stealing a carebear feature from World of Warcraft and blindly wanting it thrust into EVE is a terrible idea and you should be flamed a lot worse than you actually are. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
HawkBunny	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:34:00 - [18] Vaal he/she has said that it is high sec only there is no way this would ever work in null/low sec. And i know ccp would never do that. This is a high sec only option so we can have some fun duals and lose ships for lol's. And Victoria could u edit your first post to show that is high sec only so people do not get confused again. Thanks ^_^.
Bunyip	Posted - 2009.01.20 10:50:00 - [19] Hey guys, I¦m still in Reykjavik, but I did receive some good news from the developers. It sounds as if you might soon get your wish. Since I¦m constrained by the NDA, I can¦t go into details about their rough plans, but suffice it to say that your pleas have not fallen on deaf ears.
Jaina Proudmoar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.20 10:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Bunyip Hey guys, I¦m still in Reykjavik, but I did receive some good news from the developers. It sounds as if you might soon get your wish. Since I¦m constrained by the NDA, I can¦t go into details about their rough plans, but suffice it to say that your pleas have not fallen on deaf ears. Oh crap. WoW in space anyone? :/
HawkBunny	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Bunyip Hey guys, I¦m still in Reykjavik, but I did receive some good news from the developers. It sounds as if you might soon get your wish. Since I¦m constrained by the NDA, I can¦t go into details about their rough plans, but suffice it to say that your pleas have not fallen on deaf ears. Thanks Bunyip I just hope its contained in high sec only and that low/0.0 can still be ganked while in a dual.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:05:00 - [22] Serious Pwnage happening here.
Agent Unknown Fist of Eargon	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:32:00 - [23] I've only PvP'd once against someone else, and it was a learning experience for me. We didn't fight to the death for honor or whatever; he was teaching people how to properly fight and how to fit your ship (his shield tank was insane, btw). The only issue with new things: people will try to exploit it. While I'm not exactly sure how PvP flagging would open up exploits, I'm sure some people will figure it out. And when that happens, the devs will have yet more work ...bah... I'll give my support as well, although I don't PvP... ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong."
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Bunyip Hey guys, I¦m still in Reykjavik, but I did receive some good news from the developers. It sounds as if you might soon get your wish. Since I¦m constrained by the NDA, I can¦t go into details about their rough plans, but suffice it to say that your pleas have not fallen on deaf ears. are you FFING serious.... whos pleas, more carebear hellokitty idiots. please find a bridge ingame and jump off it
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.21 02:04:00 - [25] lol?
Victoria Ehr Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.22 08:54:00 - [26] Edited by: Victoria Ehr on 22/01/2009 08:57:46 bump in HIGH SEC Begging all of your pardons. Since nobody flips cans for pvp in lowsec and nulsec I didn't really think to point out what i meant. But that is my mistake just as much as my spelling errors, K. I am talking about an alternative to "flipping cans for pvp in high sec" and allowing for a interface option. Thanks to all the thumb uppers! -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:01:00 - [27] Originally by: HawkBunny Vaal he/she has said that it is high sec only there is no way this would ever work in null/low sec. And i know ccp would never do that. This is a high sec only option so we can have some fun duals and lose ships for lol's. And Victoria could u edit your first post to show that is high sec only so people do not get confused again. Thanks ^_^. Yes, high security space is completely different. High sec only is fine. As long as ship loss is incurred. In other MMOs the losing player does a kneel or bow or whatever and no one ever dies. If this "duel" stopped the fight at 1 structure that would be terrible. Still, if you are allowing "duels" I would rather have an arena setting where you could easily make small tournaments blah blah blah I think I've gone over it already. Considering the amount of time spent traveling, fitting and stuff to get to high sec to arrange a "duel" is spending 10 seconds to setup can aggro really that difficult? Also consider that it will take 10 seconds to right click on your opponent and send a "duel" invite and then he has to accept it, you are basically spending the same amount of mouse clicks/time so I don't exactly see the issue that needs CCPs attention. Also, now everyone is inconvenienced with having to shut off duel invites whenever they make a new character or wipe out their cache. Lastly, if two new players want to "duel" they ask someone and they quickly learn about stealing and can aggro mechanics which is a good thing. Too many negatives for a meaningless mechanic. Roll eyes at Bunyips comment, god now you have us all scared. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Bunyip Hey guys, I¦m still in Reykjavik, but I did receive some good news from the developers. It sounds as if you might soon get your wish. Since I¦m constrained by the NDA, I can¦t go into details about their rough plans, but suffice it to say that your pleas have not fallen on deaf ears. Please - PLEASE tell me that you're joking. That would be against one of the core elements of EVE.
Bunyip	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:03:00 - [29] Guys, you're judging something you don't know anything about. It's not the end of the world for Eve. I can't say anything, but please don't judge it before it occurs. It's not how you would probably envision it. Wait until the dev blog, then give feedback. I can say that the CSM was almost unanimous in our concern for the effects of this patch, but CCP has their act together. Please wait and see. "May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table.
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.22 14:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Bunyip Guys, you're judging something you don't know anything about. It's not the end of the world for Eve. I can't say anything, but please don't judge it before it occurs. It's not how you would probably envision it. Wait until the dev blog, then give feedback. I can say that the CSM was almost unanimous in our concern for the effects of this patch, but CCP has their act together. Please wait and see. Yeah, guess you're right. After all they allways stuck to their vision of a harsh, dark, unforgiving world.

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