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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:01:00 -
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The problem as I see it is that everyone thinks that speed is your life!
This is true for the current TQ version BUT
other changes are coming like drones with accuracy so they cant hit small targets with speeds of 2km/s +
even more missile changes are coming ... pokes TomB 
Large missiles will do way less dmg vs smaller targets so in the end we wont need that much speed anymore!!! so far speed modules were a "NO BRAINER" for frigs ...
... it was like fit as many speed modules as possible
so tbh I dont see the fun part in here if everyone in a frig mounts as many speed modules as possible ...
... it will be way more fun cuz now we will actually see small shield boosters and similar modules on frigs again.
But if you leave oversized AB's available you simply screw the WHOLE BALANCE changes coming soonÖ
Greetings Grim |
Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:01:00 -
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The problem as I see it is that everyone thinks that speed is your life!
This is true for the current TQ version BUT
other changes are coming like drones with accuracy so they cant hit small targets with speeds of 2km/s +
even more missile changes are coming ... pokes TomB
Large missiles will do way less dmg vs smaller targets so in the end we wont need that much speed anymore!!! so far speed modules were a "NO BRAINER" for frigs ...
... it was like fit as many speed modules as possible
so tbh I dont see the fun part in here if everyone in a frig mounts as many speed modules as possible ...
... it will be way more fun cuz now we will actually see small shield boosters and similar modules on frigs again.
But if you leave oversized AB's available you simply screw the WHOLE BALANCE changes coming soonÖ
Greetings Grim |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 29/07/2004 17:10:52
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if you orbit your target in an interceptor, you don't approach it, in fact you dont approach anything, but you will be an easy target to a second ship shooting at you, espeacially with an increased signature.
Why is that a problem?
That's why the penalty is there in the first place.
Are you saying a frigate should be invulnerable to this second target or what?
Those're the risks you take for flying a ship that is machenically weak.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 29/07/2004 17:10:52
Quote:
if you orbit your target in an interceptor, you don't approach it, in fact you dont approach anything, but you will be an easy target to a second ship shooting at you, espeacially with an increased signature.
Why is that a problem?
That's why the penalty is there in the first place.
Are you saying a frigate should be invulnerable to this second target or what?
Those're the risks you take for flying a ship that is machenically weak.
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
But if you leave oversized AB's available you simply screw the WHOLE BALANCE changes coming soonÖ
well unforunately i ph34r too much changes at once, recent patches made me do so :-(
if survivability of int's remains, the one way or the other, and if verstatility will be even improved, as you mentiond, using older now useless modules like small shield boosters i will happily agree to any change.
unfortunately my character on chaos wasnt updated in a loooooong time and cant use half of the stuff i tend to use in TQ there, there are only 20 ppl on at max and therefor no real balancing can be done.
to sad, they really should give TQ more users and the option to set skills as you wish. like on the UO test center ....
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
But if you leave oversized AB's available you simply screw the WHOLE BALANCE changes coming soonÖ
well unforunately i ph34r too much changes at once, recent patches made me do so :-(
if survivability of int's remains, the one way or the other, and if verstatility will be even improved, as you mentiond, using older now useless modules like small shield boosters i will happily agree to any change.
unfortunately my character on chaos wasnt updated in a loooooong time and cant use half of the stuff i tend to use in TQ there, there are only 20 ppl on at max and therefor no real balancing can be done.
to sad, they really should give TQ more users and the option to set skills as you wish. like on the UO test center ....
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Jet Max
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ramiel Var
I think its funny that people think its okay to put frig and cruiser guns on your BS, but its not okay to put cruiser mods on your frig....irony in its purest form.
-RAM
Someone quoted above post,but i doing it again! cos thats what Ramiel wrote its absoluteley right! Devs should feel gobsmacked by this Ramiels post! shame on you CCP! Forcing BS's to use frigate sized guns to take out frigs by nerfing tracking but frigates has been nerfed not to have weapons to make good damage against BS's! well done!!
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Jet Max
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ramiel Var
I think its funny that people think its okay to put frig and cruiser guns on your BS, but its not okay to put cruiser mods on your frig....irony in its purest form.
-RAM
Someone quoted above post,but i doing it again! cos thats what Ramiel wrote its absoluteley right! Devs should feel gobsmacked by this Ramiels post! shame on you CCP! Forcing BS's to use frigate sized guns to take out frigs by nerfing tracking but frigates has been nerfed not to have weapons to make good damage against BS's! well done!!
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Torment
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:56:00 -
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Joshua even though your right there is no ponit arguing with them mate,this thread was for people who are mostly scared to lose a bs but still want to fly an frig an gank bs's.
I know how hard it is to hit a frig with a mwd orbiting at 10k even with small guns and so do others even though they wont admit it,But they want the best of both worlds and dont believe they should be hit at all while doing 2k.
Tomb has taken the post down anyway so it looks like they got there way....sad
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Torment
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:56:00 -
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Joshua even though your right there is no ponit arguing with them mate,this thread was for people who are mostly scared to lose a bs but still want to fly an frig an gank bs's.
I know how hard it is to hit a frig with a mwd orbiting at 10k even with small guns and so do others even though they wont admit it,But they want the best of both worlds and dont believe they should be hit at all while doing 2k.
Tomb has taken the post down anyway so it looks like they got there way....sad
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:53:00 -
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I may want to pod the little punk for making me lose an Indy full of Hemorphite, but he does have a point. Preventing oversized afterburner use is pretty stupid, as it fills the middle ground in terms of speed, and it's self balanced as it is. You try doing anything besides travel with one of those on...bloody hard...
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.29 20:53:00 -
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I may want to pod the little punk for making me lose an Indy full of Hemorphite, but he does have a point. Preventing oversized afterburner use is pretty stupid, as it fills the middle ground in terms of speed, and it's self balanced as it is. You try doing anything besides travel with one of those on...bloody hard...
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6666
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:15:00 -
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Twas not me officer..the big boy made me do it.
But glad you agree mr
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6666
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:15:00 -
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Twas not me officer..the big boy made me do it.
But glad you agree mr
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:17:00 -
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Lol! Sure, sure; tell it to the judge.
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:17:00 -
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Lol! Sure, sure; tell it to the judge.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:17:00 -
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Torment:
ding ding 
round 2.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:17:00 -
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Torment:
ding ding
round 2.
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Cobracure
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:08:00 -
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I hope to god CCP dont change the current ability to fit oversized AB to frigates.
I am a fairly new player and I had to train for aaaages to get a MWD.
Please remember the newer players who want to go a bit faster for those long boring starter courier missions.
Also for those saying the specification such as "Frigate Class Module" and "Cruiser Class module"
What are you supposed to fit on your Industrial Ship then? It is neither type of ship. Nothing? Hah.
CCP - please dont try and fix what is not broken.
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Cobracure
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:08:00 -
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I hope to god CCP dont change the current ability to fit oversized AB to frigates.
I am a fairly new player and I had to train for aaaages to get a MWD.
Please remember the newer players who want to go a bit faster for those long boring starter courier missions.
Also for those saying the specification such as "Frigate Class Module" and "Cruiser Class module"
What are you supposed to fit on your Industrial Ship then? It is neither type of ship. Nothing? Hah.
CCP - please dont try and fix what is not broken.
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