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6666
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:47:00 -
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Following your sticky post with regards to not using different class modules on given ships i would like to make a few comments...
.Using various modules from differing ship classes not only ads to the diversity of the game but makes it more interesing...hence it makes it more fun!
Please Please ..you really need to consider very carefully your proposal of not allowing a given ship class to use that of another.
For example..100ab on a cruiser.....this set up entails given up a great deal of other options..to simply not allow this module to be used is, frankly, insane
Alot of people have trained long and hard to allow them to use a given ship in a manner they see fit..to simply disregard this would i feel be inappropriate in the extreme.
For example if I was to buy a car in real life..say a Ferrari(i wish!) then i would be buying a product for a specific purpose...speed and handling for example.
Ok ive got my nice Ferrari and i decide to add some after-market bits and pieces..make it go faster..make it look better etc etc
Then i even do months of training to improve my driving skills.....all money and time well spent i thinks!
But wait! Ferrari call me up and tell me they are gona take my car back..nerf it..make it slower..take all my after-market goodies off and give it back to me exactly how I DONT want it!
Not going to happen is it?..But you see my point i hope!!
Because a given ship uses modules from other ship classes does not mean this is either wrong or inappropriate..simply means people are using what is available to them and making various sacrifices to achieve this
Also a great deal of your customers simply do not have the time/inclination/funds to get a uber Battleship or whatever.....what they do is make what is available to them as FUN as possible
There are many ways to combat given ships with different ship class modules on them..simply not allowing folk to fit these modules is not the way to go!
People may well be sick to the back teeth of super fast frigs/interceptors etc..but the fact remains these ships can be caught and killed(if thats what the purpose is)...the fault is not down to the modules but the lack of innovation on the individuals part.
Please please CCP/TomB/Devs listen up dudes....Dont spoil the game we all love
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6666
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:47:00 -
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Following your sticky post with regards to not using different class modules on given ships i would like to make a few comments...
.Using various modules from differing ship classes not only ads to the diversity of the game but makes it more interesing...hence it makes it more fun!
Please Please ..you really need to consider very carefully your proposal of not allowing a given ship class to use that of another.
For example..100ab on a cruiser.....this set up entails given up a great deal of other options..to simply not allow this module to be used is, frankly, insane
Alot of people have trained long and hard to allow them to use a given ship in a manner they see fit..to simply disregard this would i feel be inappropriate in the extreme.
For example if I was to buy a car in real life..say a Ferrari(i wish!) then i would be buying a product for a specific purpose...speed and handling for example.
Ok ive got my nice Ferrari and i decide to add some after-market bits and pieces..make it go faster..make it look better etc etc
Then i even do months of training to improve my driving skills.....all money and time well spent i thinks!
But wait! Ferrari call me up and tell me they are gona take my car back..nerf it..make it slower..take all my after-market goodies off and give it back to me exactly how I DONT want it!
Not going to happen is it?..But you see my point i hope!!
Because a given ship uses modules from other ship classes does not mean this is either wrong or inappropriate..simply means people are using what is available to them and making various sacrifices to achieve this
Also a great deal of your customers simply do not have the time/inclination/funds to get a uber Battleship or whatever.....what they do is make what is available to them as FUN as possible
There are many ways to combat given ships with different ship class modules on them..simply not allowing folk to fit these modules is not the way to go!
People may well be sick to the back teeth of super fast frigs/interceptors etc..but the fact remains these ships can be caught and killed(if thats what the purpose is)...the fault is not down to the modules but the lack of innovation on the individuals part.
Please please CCP/TomB/Devs listen up dudes....Dont spoil the game we all love
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reaTh
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:54:00 -
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if this is adress to ccp cna i join in 
PLEASE CAN U SORT OUT 1400s and blance all the guns 1400s can hit a thing u get 1 shot out 0f 16 Taychons hit everytime with 200 damage and 425 well they juts way off too
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SORT THSI OUT 
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reaTh
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:54:00 -
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if this is adress to ccp cna i join in
PLEASE CAN U SORT OUT 1400s and blance all the guns 1400s can hit a thing u get 1 shot out 0f 16 Taychons hit everytime with 200 damage and 425 well they juts way off too
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SORT THSI OUT
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:55:00 -
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Whoa, your a number.
And no begging won't make dev look more at your post...
Try the eve idea lab forum unstead.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:55:00 -
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Whoa, your a number.
And no begging won't make dev look more at your post...
Try the eve idea lab forum unstead.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dexter Rast on 28/07/2004 18:00:11
agreed 100% with 6`s
to keep taking aspects away from the game is insane, 99% of all combat players love to fight at speed, that is why so many battleship pilots are content to buzz around in interceptors all day, sure some like to fit 10mn ab`s to keep a bit of cap and extra sheilds, they certainly do not help with speed as a 1mn mwd is faster.
playes do use both options, pilots i know use both mwd`s and ab`s for varying situations, this again is diversity and it also opens up a whole new line of potential ship setups available to us YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS.
so in the future if you want speed you are basicly limited to a mwd and thats it.
if the change is in some way a part of a greater plan then plz let us know about it, but there is alot of bad feeling with the proposed change to fitting various ship class modules and different ships.
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2004.07.28 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dexter Rast on 28/07/2004 18:00:11
agreed 100% with 6`s
to keep taking aspects away from the game is insane, 99% of all combat players love to fight at speed, that is why so many battleship pilots are content to buzz around in interceptors all day, sure some like to fit 10mn ab`s to keep a bit of cap and extra sheilds, they certainly do not help with speed as a 1mn mwd is faster.
playes do use both options, pilots i know use both mwd`s and ab`s for varying situations, this again is diversity and it also opens up a whole new line of potential ship setups available to us YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS.
so in the future if you want speed you are basicly limited to a mwd and thats it.
if the change is in some way a part of a greater plan then plz let us know about it, but there is alot of bad feeling with the proposed change to fitting various ship class modules and different ships.
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Ramiel Var
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:03:00 -
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I think its funny that people think its okay to put frig and cruiser guns on your BS, but its not okay to put cruiser mods on your frig....irony in its purest form.
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Ramiel Var
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:03:00 -
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I think its funny that people think its okay to put frig and cruiser guns on your BS, but its not okay to put cruiser mods on your frig....irony in its purest form.
-RAM
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6666
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:06:00 -
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Agreed...Another irony would be that it would kill off my corp(some may be glad of this of course) But that would lead to folk leaving EVE completely which is surely no good for any of us
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6666
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:06:00 -
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Agreed...Another irony would be that it would kill off my corp(some may be glad of this of course) But that would lead to folk leaving EVE completely which is surely no good for any of us
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Rahzelk
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rahzelk on 28/07/2004 18:10:12
The real issue is not only about ABs and MWDs...
All bigger class will be able to fit everything they want from lower classes for free,
there will be a big big CPU vs PGrid unbalance, and as already said, much of original fittings will be totally forbidden, wich is, I think, is the worse of all you can imagine in this game... everyone fitted almost the same due to "class" specific weapon... I thought you were opposed to any class specific things....
I understand the need to re-balance speed of all classes, or more precisely to remove the unbalance caused by oversized AB and multipl AB/MWDs.... Then just find something to forbid oversizing of ABs, not overhaul you all system !
Cause I really don't see any other module that could motivate your suggested choice of multiply by 4 powergrid need on cruiser and by 20 for BS...
And as we said and re-said before, when you fit an oversized module, it is a counterpart for less offense or defense....
Anyway, do these changes and welcome back in "BS World" ! 
(elegance-corp.net)
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Rahzelk
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rahzelk on 28/07/2004 18:10:12
The real issue is not only about ABs and MWDs...
All bigger class will be able to fit everything they want from lower classes for free,
there will be a big big CPU vs PGrid unbalance, and as already said, much of original fittings will be totally forbidden, wich is, I think, is the worse of all you can imagine in this game... everyone fitted almost the same due to "class" specific weapon... I thought you were opposed to any class specific things....
I understand the need to re-balance speed of all classes, or more precisely to remove the unbalance caused by oversized AB and multipl AB/MWDs.... Then just find something to forbid oversizing of ABs, not overhaul you all system !
Cause I really don't see any other module that could motivate your suggested choice of multiply by 4 powergrid need on cruiser and by 20 for BS...
And as we said and re-said before, when you fit an oversized module, it is a counterpart for less offense or defense....
Anyway, do these changes and welcome back in "BS World" !
(elegance-corp.net)
Do not look where you fell, but where you slipped. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:10:00 -
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Agreed with 6666 entirely.
And I fit frigate sized neutrons on my Thorax because I want to be able to shoot frigates. Isn't that the message we are supposed to be taking from the tracking rules now?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:10:00 -
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Agreed with 6666 entirely.
And I fit frigate sized neutrons on my Thorax because I want to be able to shoot frigates. Isn't that the message we are supposed to be taking from the tracking rules now?
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6666
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:13:00 -
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Agreed..my reference about a Afterburner was ment as an example only
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6666
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:13:00 -
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Agreed..my reference about a Afterburner was ment as an example only
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Naqq
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:25:00 -
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if these changes come in game it would force me to always fly around in a battleship, as my cruisers would not be competeable to battleships(anything with missiles would deffinently own me).
I don't have enough gametime a month to keep myself in a battleship and the time im online, which isn't much, I sure as hell don't wanna sit and stare at a astroid.
TomB, by doing this I can assure you that you'll be kissing all EVEs more casual players goodbye, including myself.
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Naqq
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:25:00 -
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if these changes come in game it would force me to always fly around in a battleship, as my cruisers would not be competeable to battleships(anything with missiles would deffinently own me).
I don't have enough gametime a month to keep myself in a battleship and the time im online, which isn't much, I sure as hell don't wanna sit and stare at a astroid.
TomB, by doing this I can assure you that you'll be kissing all EVEs more casual players goodbye, including myself.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:58:00 -
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 Quote:
I think its funny that people think its okay to put frig and cruiser guns on your BS, but its not okay to put cruiser mods on your frig....irony in its purest form.
Absolutely right.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.28 18:58:00 -
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Quote:
I think its funny that people think its okay to put frig and cruiser guns on your BS, but its not okay to put cruiser mods on your frig....irony in its purest form.
Absolutely right.
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Draximus Cane
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Posted - 2004.07.28 19:06:00 -
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Just dont do it
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Draximus Cane
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Posted - 2004.07.28 19:06:00 -
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Just dont do it
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Rivek
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Posted - 2004.07.28 20:06:00 -
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The freedom of choice of module fitting adds strategic diversity which is clearly a good thing for the game. Remove those options, put us all on railroad tracks toward the one or two viable setups, and you have really diminished the game. |
Rivek
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Posted - 2004.07.28 20:06:00 -
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The freedom of choice of module fitting adds strategic diversity which is clearly a good thing for the game. Remove those options, put us all on railroad tracks toward the one or two viable setups, and you have really diminished the game. |
Weirda
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Posted - 2004.07.28 20:34:00 -
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Could someone please link to stickey thread mentioned in OP? Can't find sticky thread relating to this!
Thanks!
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.07.28 20:34:00 -
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Could someone please link to stickey thread mentioned in OP? Can't find sticky thread relating to this!
Thanks!
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Dispader
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Posted - 2004.07.28 21:00:00 -
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This change is an abomination. Nuff said.
As if CCP TRIED to take fun out of the game. What's next???
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Dispader
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Posted - 2004.07.28 21:00:00 -
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This change is an abomination. Nuff said.
As if CCP TRIED to take fun out of the game. What's next???
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