Originally by: Mikalya

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Originally by: Malcanis

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As long as they are protecting their primary goal and not asking CCP to protect it for them then I have absolutely no issue with "carebears" whatsoever. In fact I'd say that if they're protecting their goals themselves then by definition they aren't carebears. It's the ones who run squeaking to the forums and the GMs and the devs for ever more protection who are carebears.

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Funny thing is I see more people whining about the Bears than bears whining about them What does that make them? By your definition that makes them Bears too...

Not counting yourself in that group as I've never seen you gripe for CCP's help. But the OP is definately in that category

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Originally by: Maren Maen

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You jokers really just don't get it do you...

If you try to force people to play eve "your way" they'll just say fu and leave, and then you'll just be whining about not having unsuspecting noobcakes to shoot at while they're having fun in some other game.

The real 'problem' is that you all are here whining instead of playing the game. Kinda surprising really since you people are supposed to be the tough guy "pvp" crowd and here you are, waaa waaa waaa'ing away. Yes, I find it amusing. Yes, I am a carebear. And yes, I've been suicide ganked since the last patch. That guy figured out how to do it; if you can't, I'll shed a tear for you if I can find a spare one.

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Originally by: Maren Maen

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You jokers really just don't get it do you...

If you try to force people to play eve "your way" they'll just say fu and leave, and then you'll just be whining about not having unsuspecting noobcakes to shoot at while they're having fun in some other game.

The real 'problem' is that you all are here whining instead of playing the game. Kinda surprising really since you people are supposed to be the tough guy "pvp" crowd and here you are, waaa waaa waaa'ing away. Yes, I find it amusing. Yes, I am a carebear. And yes, I've been suicide ganked since the last patch. That guy figured out how to do it; if you can't, I'll shed a tear for you if I can find a spare one.

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Originally by: Gnomes Rock

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So because carebears are whiner pre-madonnas who are ascared of risking pixels in a game, everyone else has to follow their playstyle?

Eventually, we'll just say FU and leave. Then CCP can be proud of their second-job isk grinding game.

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Originally by: Maren Maen

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Feel free to spare us all the anticipation and just fly, fly away now.

And it's "prima donna," but since you seem to think that phrase has something to do with madonna you just told the rest of us exactly what type of person/player you are. Yes, fly fly away little birdie, knowing that you're getting away before eve becomes complete desolate for you.

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Originally by: Gnomes Rock

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Originally by: Maren Maen

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You jokers really just don't get it do you...

If you try to force people to play eve "your way" they'll just say fu and leave, and then you'll just be whining about not having unsuspecting noobcakes to shoot at while they're having fun in some other game.

The real 'problem' is that you all are here whining instead of playing the game. Kinda surprising really since you people are supposed to be the tough guy "pvp" crowd and here you are, waaa waaa waaa'ing away. Yes, I find it amusing. Yes, I am a carebear. And yes, I've been suicide ganked since the last patch. That guy figured out how to do it; if you can't, I'll shed a tear for you if I can find a spare one.

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So because carebears are whiner pre-madonnas who are ascared of risking pixels in a game, everyone else has to follow their playstyle?

Eventually, we'll just say FU and leave. Then CCP can be proud of their second-job isk grinding game.

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Originally by: Taylor timenenzi

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Theres no more low sec and null sec? or is concord now in those areas and shooting the evil pirates?

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Originally by: Gnomes Rock

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And nullsec is a joke, sov areas compete with constant blobs, all the alliances are stagnant unless you have a new backbone of experienced players with tons of isk and SP. (and yes, SP matters) It's also incredibly hard to protect your own space from cloakers, whether it be ratters or the anoying AFK-cloaker that can stay in system 23/7 with no possible recourse atm.

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Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

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Originally by: Clair Bear

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And this is why highsec must remain a new player (and newbie at heart) wonderland. There must be some room in eve for solo and casual play.

If highsec was turned into a warzone you KNOW the same powerblocks currently shutting you out of good 0.0 would also shut you out of good highsec. Mixing this whine in with the highsec whine torpedoes both points.

I'm a bit upset that my playstyle got nerfed and that automated ice miners are now beyond my reach. But I understand the reasons for it and accept that overall eve is a better place with no "for lulz" suicide ganking. Even though it means I must now be a lot more creative and sneaky battling the RL drones.

In conclusion, you have all of lowsec to have fight club in. Fight away!

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Originally by: Reaver One

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I just loathe suicide ganking in every way.

It's not because it has impacted me...never been ganked. It's not because I'm a hauler or a carebear...trying really hard to be a decent PvP pilot. It's not even because of the gank playstyle...EvE is a rough game and it should be.

I hate it because it makes absolutely zero sense, and breaks immersion for me.

First is the fact that no one, no matter how badly they needed isk, would sign on under a capsuleer that had a record of suiciding his ship over and over again. Gee, let's get on a boat that is guarenteed to blow up on its maiden voyage.

Second, no sane government would allow this to go on, even for a second. The waste in materials and manpower is immense. The waste of CONCORD's time and energy (and materials) is immense. The damage to consumer and market confidence (if this activity were to take place in a real-world market) would be immense.

I would be fine with governments and CONCORD issuing a privateer license within certain constraints. I would be fine with lowering CONCORD's response time and/or response levels in lowER sec systems (say .8 and below on a sliding scale).

There are many ways to ensure that high-sec piracy could occur. I want EvE to be a dangerous game, as I'm sure most of us do. Suicide ganking, however, is the most nonsensical means to that end that I can think if, and I wish that it would be eliminated from the game.

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Originally by: Gnomes Rock

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Originally by: Taylor timenenzi

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Theres no more low sec and null sec? or is concord now in those areas and shooting the evil pirates?

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It's far to easy to escape a fight you don't want to fight in low sec, with people mercilessly exploting logoffskis after jumping, the huge nerf to webifiers so people can just fly away, the need for a group because of the constant presence of cloaked falcons. You can go hours looking for a decent fight, and the one ship you find easily just walks away. Highsec is also incredibly rich compared to lowsec, so there's not much reason to risk it anyways.

And nullsec is a joke, sov areas compete with constant blobs, all the alliances are stagnant unless you have a new backbone of experienced players with tons of isk and SP. (and yes, SP matters) It's also incredibly hard to protect your own space from cloakers, whether it be ratters or the anoying AFK-cloaker that can stay in system 23/7 with no possible recourse atm.

I still find this game enjoyable, believe me. But you're kidding yourself if you think "pirates" have won as many game-design battles as "carebears" have.

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Originally by: Zeba

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Where is Khemul and his dead horse gif when you need it.

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Originally by: Shibbykiko

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Why not just get rid of concord and make it so you can't lock other people in empire? Thats where this game seems to be heading, it's becoming zone based PvP because care bears are so adamant about have 0 RISK even if it means almost 0 reward. I don't understand why my play style is being forced to change, because people are so anti pvp in a pvp game? (And by my play style I mean actually having the option of attacking and killing some body in empire if I think they are an enemy logistics corp)

I remember starting this game years ago, and there was actually threat that you could be blown up everywhere you went... now its basically none in empire what so ever. It makes the game bland and boring.

So CCP, why is this cold dark evil pvp game, a warm fuzzy carebear land everywhere thats not low/null sec? And why is there so much reward with absolutely 0 risk?

Long story short, Nerf Empire, Nerf Bear rewards, buff 0.0 and low sec so people go there and can be shot.

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Originally by: Capa

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So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.

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Originally by: Cailais

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Originally by: Shibbykiko

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Why not just get rid of concord and make it so you can't lock other people in empire? Thats where this game seems to be heading, it's becoming zone based PvP because care bears are so adamant about have 0 RISK even if it means almost 0 reward. I don't understand why my play style is being forced to change, because people are so anti pvp in a pvp game? (And by my play style I mean actually having the option of attacking and killing some body in empire if I think they are an enemy logistics corp)

I remember starting this game years ago, and there was actually threat that you could be blown up everywhere you went... now its basically none in empire what so ever. It makes the game bland and boring.

So CCP, why is this cold dark evil pvp game, a warm fuzzy carebear land everywhere thats not low/null sec? And why is there so much reward with absolutely 0 risk?

Long story short, Nerf Empire, Nerf Bear rewards, buff 0.0 and low sec so people go there and can be shot.

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Except that won't work. The more you increase impact of the risk, the less likely people will be prepared to face the chance of that risk occurring. If you nerf Empire, say by reducing the ISK available there then players will stay in Empire longer to ensure they have sufficient ISK to PVP.
C.

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Originally by: Cailais

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Except that won't work. The more you increase impact of the risk, the less likely people will be prepared to face the chance of that risk occurring. If you nerf Empire, say by reducing the ISK available there then players will stay in Empire longer to ensure they have sufficient ISK to PVP.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"

Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"

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have you ever actually been fishing? Do you know how most fish are caught?

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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg

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ITT: People who think a sandbox game shouldn't be played like a sandbox, it should only be played *their* way.

From both sides of the argument.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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I hope that if the day of PvP reckoning comes that CCP has the decency to implement OP's suggestion. Having CONCORD remain in-game when no one actually has a chance of successfully suiciding anyone with anything would serve only to mock older players.

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Originally by: Cailais

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Except that won't work. The more you increase impact of the risk, the less likely people will be prepared to face the chance of that risk occurring. If you nerf Empire, say by reducing the ISK available there then players will stay in Empire longer to ensure they have sufficient ISK to PVP.

For example - lets say it takes 2 months of solid play in Empire (through missions, mining etc etc) to buy a HAC. Now - will you risk this HAC by venturing into Low Sec? How much would the reward in Low Sec need to be to justify flying that HAC into Low Sec? Alone?

Ok - so you don't go alone, how many players would you bring with you? 5? 10? 100?

Now, consider FW. Essentially zero reward, BUT you can pvp for almost zero risk to your bank balance (by using cheap T1 ships). Result = plenty of players are prepared to participate in pvp.

Hence the argument to just nerf high sec and buff low sec is deeply flawed at a fundamental level.

C.

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Originally by: Shibbykiko

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Why not just get rid of concord and make it so you can't lock other people in empire? Thats where this game seems to be heading, it's becoming zone based PvP because care bears are so adamant about have 0 RISK even if it means almost 0 reward. I don't understand why my play style is being forced to change, because people are so anti pvp in a pvp game? (And by my play style I mean actually having the option of attacking and killing some body in empire if I think they are an enemy logistics corp)

I remember starting this game years ago, and there was actually threat that you could be blown up everywhere you went... now its basically none in empire what so ever. It makes the game bland and boring.

So CCP, why is this cold dark evil pvp game, a warm fuzzy carebear land everywhere thats not low/null sec? And why is there so much reward with absolutely 0 risk?

Long story short, Nerf Empire, Nerf Bear rewards, buff 0.0 and low sec so people go there and can be shot.

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Originally by: Zeba

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Where is Khemul and his dead horse gif when you need it.

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