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Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 104	Posted - 2012.04.18 14:41:00 - [61] - Quote jesus, lot of douchebags in this thread OP, sell a Plex on your alt then transfer the money to your main toon to get out of debt. Problem solved On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3391	Posted - 2012.04.18 14:49:00 - [62] - Quote N'baro Dark wrote: Caeled Vorchaz wrote: Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world. I find the horrid aspect to be the sheer number of people in the world today who won't take responsibility for their own actions and who raise their children to feel the same way. The rampant attitude of entitlement is sickening. Let's look at the facts: 1) You violated the EULA by sharing an account. 2) Your son, for whom you are responsible, violated the EULA by RMT. Your response? "I shouldn't be punished. Punishing me is unfair." I suppose the reason that the son doesn't play by the rules is because the role model parent has the attitude that rules don't apply to him. Sadly, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. In a nutshell. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 614	Posted - 2012.04.18 14:50:00 - [63] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: ShootsBlues McAwoxer wrote: buy a plex, take the cost out of your son's allowance, done deal. No need to run to the forum and compose posts that just make you look pathetic. Jesus Christ the lack of general respect is just shocking these day. You sir clearly need a morality check.. Allowance? Geez. Have the kid mow a few yards. Kids should mow yards for money. Gives 'em time to think. Think about what? Lotsa stuff. Plus, the kid gets the added benefit of seeing something he's accomplished. Hell, gender equality and all? No reason girls can't mows yards, too. It's good for 'em. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 147	Posted - 2012.04.18 14:51:00 - [64] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: I feel a 0 balance would have been much fairer or at least not soul destroying. Its not like he made anything out of buying some ISK to get a ship, hell take the darn ship.. So you could instanlty launder this illegaly purchased ISK by buying goods, such as ships etc. Then when CCP catch you, instead of taking 300mil from your account and leaving you with a negative wallet, they take the remailing 10k ISK thats in your wallet, and set you to 0 ISK. You are happy because you have all your ships and have not really been punished. Your 'fairer' solution is crap. You did a bad thing by supporting RMTers and buying illegal ISK, and you should feel bad. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Liam Mirren 448	Posted - 2012.04.18 15:00:00 - [65] - Quote So either the OP is using his "son" as an excuse or he's showing his son that if you whine enough and claim ignorance you can get out of any situation. Deal with it. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1539	Posted - 2012.04.18 15:17:00 - [66] - Quote You see, we don't need a "Scarlet Letter" for people caught RMTing... they will happily come to the forums and humiliate themselves all on their own. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Cys Root The Oasis Group Combat Mining and Logistics 3	Posted - 2012.04.18 15:52:00 - [67] - Quote People who cheat by buying online currency for real money are despicable in any MMO but especially so in EVE as CCP provides for a way to do this legally yet these cheap assholes decide to **** up the economy only to save a few pennies.
Fractal Muse Republic University Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2012.04.18 15:59:00 - [68] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: ShootsBlues McAwoxer wrote: buy a plex, take the cost out of your son's allowance, done deal. No need to run to the forum and compose posts that just make you look pathetic. Jesus Christ the lack of general respect is just shocking these day. You sir clearly need a morality check.. Take the advice. Dock your son the cost of a plex for 'diminishing' your game experience. If he crashed your car would you not make him pay for it? If he broke your TV wouldn't you make him pay for it? This is the same thing. Make him pay for 'breaking' your game. He messed up. He fixes it. Teach your son some responsibility and some 'morality.'
Joran Dravius Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:03:00 - [69] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: My main toon has contracted a negative balance Im shocked to find today after subbing back to EVE after a lengthy break. For myself, the owner of the account since beta, have never purchased ISK illegally but find after grilling my kid, he had indeed purchased some isk last year. As the account holder I have to take responsibility I guess. But the punishment..Ohh my.!!! Clearly you don't beat your kids enough.
Ryuichi Hiroki EVE University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:11:00 - [70] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world. If letting my now 18 year old son use MY account on MY computer is against EVE policy then CCP have truly gone way to far.. Lets see what they have to say. I wont post anymore because clearly asking for help is the wrong thing to do these days. Perhaps I should have yelled fire and got a more positive response. I blame bad parenting. Ignore these idiots. Also, someone offered a reasonable and legit solution to this. so I would take it.

Jastra Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 72	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:19:00 - [71] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world. If letting my now 18 year old son use MY account on MY computer is against EVE policy then CCP have truly gone way to far.. Lets see what they have to say. I wont post anymore because clearly asking for help is the wrong thing to do these days. Perhaps I should have yelled fire and got a more positive response. Dude I'm 43 and even I think your whining.... had you done even a modicum of research then you could have solved your problem easily, instead you came here, admitted you shared your account and someone living under your roof broke the rules and you expect what.... sympathy ? - it has little to do with the state of the community here, to be honest you sound like your trolling.
admiral root Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis 52	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:24:00 - [72] - Quote OP is a half-decent troll, but he should have paid attention to previous dev posts on the topic. They've said they're not going to go back very far at all due to the manpower involved, especially as it would mean current offenders would be getting away with it. They've also recently reversed that position slightly, by stating they're going back as far as February this year. 8/10, but would have scored 9 if he'd claimed his "son" broke the rules after Feb of this year.
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers 107	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:25:00 - [73] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: Tobiaz wrote: How big of a hole are we talking about here? The debt is 300 million. Not the end of the world I know, but still... one question, how did you not notice an extra 300 mill laying around your toon or at least some new expensive shiney stuff apearing from nowhere?
Mark Androcius 34	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:29:00 - [74] - Quote ITTigerClawIK wrote: one question, how did you not notice an extra 300 mill laying around your toon or at least some new expensive shiney stuff apearing from nowhere? The claim is: He was no longer playing eve, for quite some time and in that time, his son ( who was on the same IP address ) was RMTing on his own account. Don't know how much weight the claim has or could have, or if IP addresses are even relevant, but that was the claim. Now, could one of the dev's possibly lock this thread? i don't think there's much more useful that can be said here. Yes i am dutch, no i don't do drugs.
THE L0CK Denying You Access 235	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:31:00 - [75] - Quote ITTigerClawIK wrote: Caeled Vorchaz wrote: Tobiaz wrote: How big of a hole are we talking about here? The debt is 300 million. Not the end of the world I know, but still... one question, how did you not notice an extra 300 mill laying around your toon or at least some new expensive shiney stuff apearing from nowhere? Think about it and think carefully, and when you realize the answer you will in fact see that a huge number of people in this thread massively fail in the reading comprehension department. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 139	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:39:00 - [76] - Quote Story is too elaborate to be true tbqfh. Liars tend to overcomplicate things when they tell stories. More likely scenario is: Dude bought ISK, blames his "son" (who we don't even know exists) got caught and is now sorry he got caught so he's looking for forum sympathy. Also, it is not "YOUR" account, the account and all its contents belong to CCP. If you think that "the world has stooped" somewhere, then you should've read the EULA prior to agreeing to it. Because you are only paying for the right to play the game by the games' rules. (which you self-admittedly broke) Also all this high-horse bullshit "Oh, forumites are so disrespectful"-nonsense is so full of pseudo-righteous indignation it's not funny, take your passive aggressive nonsense someplace else. On forums like these you will get treated by your words, which frankly have left you wanting. Next time you make a booboo, don't vent it in front of an audience, they will never take your side. Because bullshit is smelt a mile away. Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 521	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:50:00 - [77] - Quote face palm You're blaming your kid? It's like blaming the dog when you fart a really ripe one! Jesus wept! We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 618	Posted - 2012.04.18 16:54:00 - [78] - Quote My dog figured out how to get my pizza off the stove and soon he will know how to buy RMT'd ISK. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1424	Posted - 2012.04.18 17:15:00 - [79] - Quote You obviously pay 1 or more subs of $15 a month... Yet you can solve this debt issue with a single one time $20 purchase. And your moaning on these forums why exactly.....
Devil's Call Perkone Caldari State 746	Posted - 2012.04.18 17:37:00 - [80] - Quote Heh, I expected that you had a debt of tens of billions. -300 mil... seriously? If you play this game since beta you can earn that amount in a day? If not, buy a GTC or plex and you're done. Accept the fact that you made a mistake and don't whine about CCP's righteousness on the forums.

Potamus Jenkins The Lucky Bible Company 80	Posted - 2012.04.18 17:44:00 - [81] - Quote lol taking responsibility not really taking (financial) responsibility. then you say its 300 million... 300 million seriously? SERIOUSLY this has to be a troll. buy 1 plex and you are not only back in the positive you are actually in the green lol. terrible terrible post. 300 million...smh
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H. 10	Posted - 2012.04.18 17:46:00 - [82] - Quote CCP does IP-bans for some violations. They ban the kids account, they'll catch the fathers account in the same net. This actually begs the question, what is CCPs policy on this? Violations go against the account-holder. But some of their measures can actually punish another account holder in the same household GÇô or on a shared network.
Tri Vetra Ascetic Virtues 40	Posted - 2012.04.18 17:51:00 - [83] - Quote Killer Gandry wrote: And yes, people who support RMT are scum of the earth for any gaming cummonity. Be it willingly support RMT or enable others to support RMT. Both is unacceptable. This isn't trolling from my part but just the harsh reality as I see it. people who buy isk are literally al quada if reagan was alive right now this won't have been a problem praise jesus
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 214	Posted - 2012.04.18 18:10:00 - [84] - Quote OP, Well I wish I could feel sorry for you but based on your post. I am having a hard time believing any bit of your story. If it is true .....maybe you should let your wife deal with all the bills and any important desicions cause just WOW.
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 314	Posted - 2012.04.18 18:24:00 - [85] - Quote Killer Gandry wrote: Gorki Andropov wrote: Killer Gandry wrote: And yes, people who support RMT are scum of the earth for any gaming cummonity. What's your stance on sperging meatheads who didn't get a dictionary for Christmas and can't give articles their proper day in the sun? e: I love all of these people calling RMTers 'scum' - as if that's really the worst thing in the world. I suppose murderers get off with a mere 'He's been quite bad today'. Learn to read. Scum of the earth for any *GAMING COMMUNITY.* (thought I would make it a tad more readable for you) So you really want to discus sperging meatheads? I notice you didn't offer any sort of rebuttal to my first point. Thanks!
Xercodo Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition 1020	Posted - 2012.04.18 18:39:00 - [86] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world. If letting my now 18 year old son use MY account on MY computer is against EVE policy then CCP have truly gone way to far.. Lets see what they have to say. I wont post anymore because clearly asking for help is the wrong thing to do these days. Perhaps I should have yelled fire and got a more positive response. Yes this is what we were trying to tell you. And CCP has been this way from the beginning iirc. The reasoning for this is because of the relationship CCP has with your bank account an such. The other problem is that the nature of EVE means that account sharing is VERY prone to theft and so if you were to claim that items were missing or that your account was stolen altogether then CCP would have even more reason to not help you and just ban you cause you broke the rules to prevent it in the first place. What you can do like others has stated is to buy a PLEX (with your son's money of course) and sell it on the market using an alt or a corp wallet and then transfer it over to the effected character. You should be 200 mill or so in the green. The purpose of the punishment in the form of a negative wallet is to make it VERY clear to NOT ever do it. Hell you could even make your son earn it back by making him rat in belts or do some missions or something. As for the attitude you're getting from this thread, well I think you're getting a negative response from us cause we're picking up a bit of a self-entitlement complex from you. If you've played EVE as long as you say that account has been open you'd already know this about the community. We're both one of the most helpful and ruthless communities the internet has to offer for a gaming community. ESPECIALLY when talking in places like GD or CAOD. You'd likely have had a MUCH better response in the New Citizen's Q&A and even though you aren't a "New Citizen" by any means it doesn't mean you can't ask questions there. I will admit though, NCQ&A still has its trolls and you'll have to take some advice with a grain of salt but most of us in there genuinely want to help. I guess we just sometimes like to reprimand you a little bit to make it stick :P The Drake is a Lie
Whambot Caldari Provisions Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.04.18 18:42:00 - [87] - Quote Caeled Vorchaz wrote: Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world. If letting my now 18 year old son use MY account on MY computer is against EVE policy then CCP have truly gone way to far.. Lets see what they have to say. I wont post anymore because clearly asking for help is the wrong thing to do these days. Perhaps I should have yelled fire and got a more positive response. I love how you go right to the "kids these days" stereotype. You're just clueless about the EVE forums. Most video game forums are flame wars but EVE's is probably one of the worst. The majority of EVE players I've run in to are in their 20s-30s (myself included) many with children of their own. Generalizing doesnt make you look any better. Posting this and not expecting a negative response is like going on Jerry Springer and expecting a thoughful, openminded discussion. I'm suprised you ONLY got debted 300mil. In any other game your account would have been banned no questions asked so count yourself thankful, CCP has already been kind to you as far as I can tell.
Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.04.18 19:53:00 - [88] - Quote I have not read all the posts, but a lot. My questions is whether or not the ability to sell/xfer the toons on the account was locked due to this infraction? I'm just curious. As far as compensating for the fines: no big deal. If you have a BS, run L4s. If you're paranoid about incurring losses, run L3s in your BS. I'm sure you have some resources left over, so use them. Ratz drop reppers so you can repair for free. Really, grind thorugh some L4s and you'll be in the black again soon and saving for pirate mods...
Ch3244 Azule Dragoons Sspectre 85	Posted - 2012.04.18 20:14:00 - [89] - Quote ill jita trade u 300 mil for some nice things
Sidrun Life sucks then you die Ltd. 5	Posted - 2012.04.18 20:16:00 - [90] - Quote If Eve Online had even a good fraction of the subs that say WoW has, the game would be an unplayable mess, and I'm sure CCP knows that. There's a reason WoW has a zillion servers.



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