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Chance Kristopher Gallente Dead 2 Rights TransWarp Ventures	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:37:00 - [1] I've got my PvP all squared away, and I don't really need help with that. What I do need, is a cheaper than hell fit that can take on two Sansha BS + Little Wingdings, and not lose the bugger every few days if I'm not really careful. I'm talking Frig-Cruiser. BC's are not on my budget. I'm here to make money, not sink it into something that will get ****d if I get grouped by four reds in a belt. I do however, have a Brutix sitting in my hangar, that I never use. If I must, I can use that. I'm Gallente, and I've got full (relavent) gunny skills for ship classes provided. Anyone?
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:54:00 - [2] Vexor ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:55:00 - [3] Try some Amarr cruiser then, Gallente ones are not that stellar against Sansha. Well ok, Vextor might do, but getting new drones every time you have to leg it (and you will from time to time if you rat in cruiser) will get annoying quite fast. Brutix might work also, just insure it and losing it is not that big deal as long as you manage to kill 2 spawns in it before you die.
Chance Kristopher Gallente Dead 2 Rights TransWarp Ventures	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:58:00 - [4] Well, right now, I've got two ships that I fancy for PVE 0.0 I've got my Incursus, and my Brutix, which I just tried out. Actual fittings would be great! How do I fit a Vexor? Never fitted one before. Only drone carrier I messed with was my old Domi, which I ratted in ALL THE TIME. It's how I make my iskies. xD
P'uck	Posted - 2009.01.20 10:35:00 - [5] Edited by: P''uck on 20/01/2009 10:36:12 Only cruiser I ratted in 0.0 with was a rupture. In order to kill everything fast I slapped on the largest ACs I could fit, a microwarpdrive to get in close, a nos in the utility high to regain cap in tight orbit, 2 active hardeners, medium repper, rest gyros. maybe you can work out something for the vexor like that, I dont know if it would work in the belt, then, actually. Most people just range tank and let the drones do the mopup, I wouldnt have that kind of patience. What I find weird is how you talk about an "investment you can lose to four reds in a belt" or something. That should never happen, especially these days. Have a look at the sentry domi: you can get some nice closerange like damage at up to 40k (or whatever, I dont remember the actual values, but it's very nice). You dont need to wait for your (expensive) drones to return. Get some bookmarks above/below the belts, either make them while ratting with a long range setup or quickly with an interceptor. Pay attention, stay aligned to a safe, have a cloak. Or something. Or did I understand you wrong there?
Chance Kristopher Gallente Dead 2 Rights TransWarp Ventures	Posted - 2009.01.20 10:49:00 - [6] Originally by: P'uck Edited by: P''uck on 20/01/2009 10:36:12 Only cruiser I ratted in 0.0 with was a rupture. In order to kill everything fast I slapped on the largest ACs I could fit, a microwarpdrive to get in close, a nos in the utility high to regain cap in tight orbit, 2 active hardeners, medium repper, rest gyros. maybe you can work out something for the vexor like that, I dont know if it would work in the belt, then, actually. Most people just range tank and let the drones do the mopup, I wouldnt have that kind of patience. What I find weird is how you talk about an "investment you can lose to four reds in a belt" or something. That should never happen, especially these days. Have a look at the sentry domi: you can get some nice closerange like damage at up to 40k (or whatever, I dont remember the actual values, but it's very nice). You dont need to wait for your (expensive) drones to return. Get some bookmarks above/below the belts, either make them while ratting with a long range setup or quickly with an interceptor. Pay attention, stay aligned to a safe, have a cloak. Or something. Or did I understand you wrong there? I had a Sentry Domi, but I work in 0.0 that is constantly at war, usually with upwards of five reds in system at a time. And by a cheap investment, it's not common, but an inty will come into the belt, scram, and then the BS's come in and whale on you. xD
Gneeznow Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2009.01.20 10:53:00 - [7] I used to use an arbitrator to rat in fountain, but that was back when the arby had 75 m3 dronebay, but then again I only had drone interfacing 3 at the time, with good drone skills and cruiser 4 / 5 no reason an arby cant work, can fit cap rechargers in the mids and an afterburner, and a cloak / salvagers in the highs
hellsknights SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:03:00 - [8] I think a Brutix can do it effectively. My main issue with using small ships, the time it takes you to kill a rat you could of killed 2 with a bigger ship (more DPs/tank). A drake can do it as well with the bonus of using the ammo the rat is weak on.
Havres	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:18:00 - [9] You could try an AF or a taranis. Cheap, hard to catch, can take on as many BS as you want due to size, but it's still frigate DPS, so it can take a while to take some stuff down. Vexor is good too, but if you're under constant attack, losing the drones all the time will get annoying. Thorax is also pretty good, 400+ DPS not counting drones (over 550 with them), very cheap, insurable.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:46:00 - [10] BC is a good tool. You can effectively rat and still keep a pvp'ish fit on it, if someone drops by. Smaller ships either lack effective punch and you need to make them all gank and that's pretty much a sacrifice between pvp modules and you completely screwed when someone drops by. Essential pvp gear and enough gank to rat. If you go for the cheapest ratting thing...you will loose some fun on pvp WHEN reds come. Vexor is probably one of the best when it comes to price. Stop whining.
Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:59:00 - [11] I've always heard AFs are the best for 0.0 ratting. Ideally you should be with someone else who is also flying an AF. If Gallente is your choice of race one Iskur and one Enyo will be really good. AFs can speed tankt he BSes no prob. The Iskur can use its drones to mop up the annoying frigs and the Enyo will bring the extra DPS. You can make quite a few Mil/per hour. Solo it might get tricky and the Iskur is probably the best bet.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:05:00 - [12] Arby is nice for ratting. With drone bonus, 150m3 cargobay and track disruptor bonus, you can let drones eat the ships while you focus your setup on pure tank, and optionally, a few stabs in lows to bail if an inty slips into belt to put a point on you. But guess that's true for the vexor too. Otherwise I guess the AF's do nice too, but they cost about the same as an Arby anyways. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
ry ry	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:24:00 - [13] not gall i know, but an ac rupture is a brilliant cheap 0.0 ratter against turret rats. i'd imagine you could do something similar with one of the gal cruisers... 4 x 220 IIs, 2 x ass launchers mwd II, 2 x cap charger II med rep II, 800mm plate, EANM II, 2 x gyro IIs 3 x hammerhead II mwd into range of the spawn, orbit one of the battleships at 1k and kill the cruisers first.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Libera Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:41:00 - [14] A Thorax should do it... Highs: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster II w/ AM Mids: 1x 10mn Microwarp Drive II 1x Stasis Webifier II 1x Cap Recharger II Lows: 1x Medium Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Reflective Membrane II 1x Energized Thermic Membrane II 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Drones: 5x Hammerhead II If you have the cap and fitting left, you can try active EM and TH hardeners instead of the passive. Just burn your MWD up to the BS, turn it off, and then orbit at 500m. Send the drones against anything else.
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:12:00 - [15] [Harbinger, Ratting] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Prototype Cloaking Device I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 Locktime didnt bother me and sanshas died quite quickly while tanking even triple 1.85 spawns if you dont stand still, dont forget to insure. - Rage is Recruiting
Malakai0 Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:35:00 - [16] Any DPS AF can do it, its just slow. Drake, with enough skills, can passive tank and clear anything a belt can throw at you, and stuff will die a bit faster. Obviously a fully insured torp raven with med drones for cruisers/frigs is your best bet for speed. Even all t2 you dont lose that much isk if you lose it, unless you fit rigs.
Cohkka Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:14:00 - [17] Get a Vexor. Armor tank it and slap an AB + small rails on it. The rest of the med slots should be stuffed with cap modules. Should be capstabe to run the AB permanent. Take as little damge as possible, use your speed to evade damage. Kill the small stuff first, then the BS. You have to time your rep/AB cycles and know when they are nescessary, leaving both on will empty your cap in seconds. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Hywang	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:44:00 - [18] I used to use a Blaster Enyo, works well, just make sure you kill any webbing rats first, the battleships wont even scratch you. Ishkur probably does more damage but you wont have to worry about replacing drones with Enyo. Not much good if you plan to loot as well though, tiny cargo holds.
ry ry	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:27:00 - [19] Edited by: ry ry on 20/01/2009 16:27:10 Originally by: Malakai0 Any DPS AF can do it, its just slow. retribution is the only one worth doing it in though, because the others will run out of ammo after an hour or so. i used to rat all the time in a retri, was actually really good but you need reasonable skills to be able to break the tanks of the better spawns.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:11:00 - [20] Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 20/01/2009 16:27:10 Originally by: Malakai0 Any DPS AF can do it, its just slow. retribution is the only one worth doing it in though, because the others will run out of ammo after an hour or so. i used to rat all the time in a retri, was actually really good but you need reasonable skills to be able to break the tanks of the better spawns. ammo isnt an issue for the ishkur. mine is set up for gank and i bring about 15k worth of void per trip...lasts about 2-3 days of casual ratting. high dps AFs are great for solo ninja ratting. retribution, harpy, ishkur, wolf...each race has one. if ure in secure 0.0 space, just use a t2 fitted t1 cruiser.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:15:00 - [21] Edited by: UMEE on 20/01/2009 18:16:04 Originally by: Chance Kristopher Originally by: P'uck Edited by: P''uck on 20/01/2009 10:36:12 Only cruiser I ratted in 0.0 with was a rupture. In order to kill everything fast I slapped on the largest ACs I could fit, a microwarpdrive to get in close, a nos in the utility high to regain cap in tight orbit, 2 active hardeners, medium repper, rest gyros. maybe you can work out something for the vexor like that, I dont know if it would work in the belt, then, actually. Most people just range tank and let the drones do the mopup, I wouldnt have that kind of patience. What I find weird is how you talk about an "investment you can lose to four reds in a belt" or something. That should never happen, especially these days. Have a look at the sentry domi: you can get some nice closerange like damage at up to 40k (or whatever, I dont remember the actual values, but it's very nice). You dont need to wait for your (expensive) drones to return. Get some bookmarks above/below the belts, either make them while ratting with a long range setup or quickly with an interceptor. Pay attention, stay aligned to a safe, have a cloak. Or something. Or did I understand you wrong there? I had a Sentry Domi, but I work in 0.0 that is constantly at war, usually with upwards of five reds in system at a time. And by a cheap investment, it's not common, but an inty will come into the belt, scram, and then the BS's come in and whale on you. xD ah so youre basically ninja ratting (as your space isnt secure). ishkur is your ship. 3x light neutron II's, salvager AB II, cap recharger II's 2xMFS II, SAR II Hob II's dont bother with the enyo, 2 reasons. it's a bit of a pain chasing down frigs/destroyers in a blaster setup. and ishkur simply does more dps given equal skills in gunnery and drones. you wont have issues taking down any sub-capital spawns. i like to set my drones on the small stuff while i get started on the big guys. tis a breeze. in a space at war, i would really just stick to inty or AF. cruiser ratters are easy to catch.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2009.01.20 19:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Chance Kristopher Originally by: P'uck ... I had a Sentry Domi, but I work in 0.0 that is constantly at war, usually with upwards of five reds in system at a time. And by a cheap investment, it's not common, but an inty will come into the belt, scram, and then the BS's come in and whale on you. xD Domi should work just fine tbh. With 2 neuts no inty will hold you in place for more then 5 seconds.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2009.01.20 19:16:00 - [23] I kill angel rats all the time with a ruppy, throw a shield booster, AB, and a explosive hardener on and go to town with 425's. For blood raiders I'd use an armor tank, etc. Caracal can do the same.
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:09:00 - [24] crusader/taranis ? enough dps to kill any blet npc if you gank fit them.. else any t1 cruiser should do it
Draku Rykenen Gallente Exiled. Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:09:00 - [25] I easily tank multi-bs belts in my enyo. Fitted with 4 blasters and a hybrid speed tank. I orbit in tight at about 700ms and also include a little boost to whatever the key resists are in the area. Take out the frigs/cruisers first and then take the bs(s) down. The disadvantage is you will almost be forced to strip the belts as you go rather than farming the spawns because the frigs and cruisers do pose a threat if not dealt with whereas in a BS ratter you can ignore everything other than the bs rats. It works surprisingly well for me. Costs a bit in ammo as you really nibble away at the rats instead of flattening them. Can build a max quality set up for maybe 15-20 mil (never tried it with a super cheap fitting) but that makes the entire fit cheaper than just buying a naked battleship. ---- Personally I feel strongly it is well worth it to invest in what amounts to an invincible Set up like a full t2 fit armor tanked domi for ratting as in fairly short order you can recoup the costs and enjoy much more efficient ratting for the long term.
Chelmar II Carebear Poachers plc	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:19:00 - [26] I've ratted Sanshas in an electron blasterax, just fit a rep, hardeners, magstab, and biggest plate you can fit. BS spawns can barely track you, so you'll have no problem MWD-ing right up to them while only getting mild damage from frig/destroyer spawns.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:41:00 - [27] When cheap, effective and pve is the question then Arbitrator is always the answer. [Arbitrator, lol no loot 4 u pirate :P] Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Large Shield Extender I Large Shield Extender I Photon Scattering Field I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Improved Cloaking Device II Heavy Beam Laser I, Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser I, Multifrequency M Salvager I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x7 Warrior II x6 Vespa EC-600 x5 inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Wannabehero Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:23:00 - [28] Cheap Vexor ratter for Sansha space [Vexor, New Setup 2] Medium Armor Repairer I EM Hardener I Thermic Hardener I Damage Control I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Cap Recharger I Large Ohm Capacitor Reserve I Dual 150mm Railgun I, Tungsten Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun I, Tungsten Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun I, Tungsten Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun I, Tungsten Charge M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead I x5 Remember to kill the little stuff first.
Linsyn	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:59:00 - [29] Fact is a cruiser will take longer to kill the rats so your idea is self defeating get an ishtar or zealot you'll kill them twice as quick. You'll make the isk for the ship in 3-4 days
Misaniovent Blood Phage Syndicate R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:22:00 - [30] Can you fly assault frigates? More expensive than a Cruiser, yes, but you'll have the tank and the damage to deal with large spawns, and you will not have trouble slipping out of the belts before threats arrive. If not, I think the Vexor will do.
Pooned alot Amarr Cold Steel Inc. Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:14:00 - [31] Bear in mind, with ratting speed of kill is often more important. Certainly you can rat sanchas in an AF or even t1 cruiser, but it will take forever and will be one lag spike or stuck on a roid to kill you. And t1 BC's just are not that expensive, you can focus more on local than on transversal and the isk per hour goes WAYYYY up. The hurricane/harbinger are some of the best ratters and salvage boats ive ever found for the price. And If you want to be able to handle some minor pvp go with a HAC (the zealot and sacriledge are both excellent ratters even with pvp fit)
gpfault Haunted House	Posted - 2009.01.22 05:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Gneeznow I used to use an arbitrator to rat in fountain, but that was back when the arby had 75 m3 dronebay, but then again I only had drone interfacing 3 at the time, with good drone skills and cruiser 4 / 5 no reason an arby cant work, can fit cap rechargers in the mids and an afterburner, and a cloak / salvagers in the highs This, works just the same with a vexor. Problem is even with max drone skills you're only getting 230ish DPS so taking out larger spawns can take a while, but it does give you time to salvage.
Kirtan Loor Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.22 09:28:00 - [33] It is vexor. I don't think that ANY other t1 cruiser can rat in 0.0 as effectively as this little monster. [Vexor, 0.0 Ratting] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II 10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Hobgoblin II x5 Kill any frig spawns by sending your lights while approaching BS NPC's. When you hugged a BS and killed frigs, send your main drone team to the BS you are hugging and activate your guns. You'll melt it in a very short time.
kjukasfv	Posted - 2009.01.22 09:34:00 - [34] Crusader: Medium beams x4 1mn AB, Cap recharger Small armor repair, some heatsinks and a em hardener(?) maby a cpr.. I used this some ages ago, when i was **s poor. took down 1.8mill BS's cheep as **t, and survivable as hell
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.22 09:44:00 - [35] [Vagabond, Solo] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M Salvager I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Hobgoblin II x5 Takes BS down in no time and your always ready to go pvp, swap the salvager for a med neut if you feel like it. Makes that tackle ceptor an easy kill =] _________________________________
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.22 19:06:00 - [36] Cheapest easiest way is a domi with drones use either sentries or heavies for rats. Keep ECM drones as well as a set of medium tech 2 and Warrior2's. Put 2 Heavy neuts in the high slots. 1600 plate double armor reppers resists, Drone Range augmentor and play with your mids as you want to go with your cap booster. You'll kill and tank whatever rat you want. Any interceptor trying to hold you will be neuted and killed by your warriors if it it is dumb enough too hang around. ECM drones will allow you to escape anything else if your tanking too much during the BS spawn when reds come in.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.22 21:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Kirtan Loor It is vexor. I don't think that ANY other t1 cruiser can rat in 0.0 as effectively as this little monster. [Vexor, 0.0 Ratting] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II 10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge M Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Hobgoblin II x5 Kill any frig spawns by sending your lights while approaching BS NPC's. When you hugged a BS and killed frigs, send your main drone team to the BS you are hugging and activate your guns. You'll melt it in a very short time. i really like this. cheap as hell. only thing is vex aint as mobile as the ishkur, so u will probably get caught on bubble camps. so use an alt to scout ahead. only thing i would do differently is stick 4 light neutron II's in the highs, mwd in mid, and use a buffer tank with maybe a small armor rep.

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