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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:18:00 -
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Given The fact that they cost only 1000 isk, and one corp can buy 20 stations worth without batting an eye, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL GAMER ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. PLEASE PLACE A LIMIT IMMEDIATELY.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:18:00 -
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Given The fact that they cost only 1000 isk, and one corp can buy 20 stations worth without batting an eye, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL GAMER ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. PLEASE PLACE A LIMIT IMMEDIATELY.
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pmota
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:26:00 -
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I AGREE! If Eve simulates so well real-life-economy, how come that something for which there is so much demand costs so little ? There are so many ways this "lab monopolies" could be avoided. One suggestion: why not an auction for lab slots ? If corps want to own all slots, they should be prepaired to pay as much as everyone else.
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pmota
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Posted - 2004.07.28 23:26:00 -
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I AGREE! If Eve simulates so well real-life-economy, how come that something for which there is so much demand costs so little ? There are so many ways this "lab monopolies" could be avoided. One suggestion: why not an auction for lab slots ? If corps want to own all slots, they should be prepaired to pay as much as everyone else.
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mOULf
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Posted - 2004.07.29 00:23:00 -
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I Totally Agree.
With a price of 50000 or 100000 isk, The Lab Slot camping will be simply eliminated, making all people happy (except those %*$@ campers)
This is a TEN SECONDS CHANGE in the database during downtime !!!
WTF is CCP waiting for 
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mOULf
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Posted - 2004.07.29 00:23:00 -
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I Totally Agree.
With a price of 50000 or 100000 isk, The Lab Slot camping will be simply eliminated, making all people happy (except those %*$@ campers)
This is a TEN SECONDS CHANGE in the database during downtime !!!
WTF is CCP waiting for
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Armaged
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Posted - 2004.07.29 02:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Detaurus
Given The fact that they cost only 1000 isk, and one corp can buy 20 stations worth without batting an eye, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL GAMER ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. PLEASE PLACE A LIMIT IMMEDIATELY.
And if those labs are not used, and they don't have the people with the skills to use them, they lose them just like the rest of us.
Not saying labs aren't ridiculous to find, but blaming corporations for the problem is just uninformed.
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Armaged
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Posted - 2004.07.29 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
Given The fact that they cost only 1000 isk, and one corp can buy 20 stations worth without batting an eye, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL GAMER ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. PLEASE PLACE A LIMIT IMMEDIATELY.
And if those labs are not used, and they don't have the people with the skills to use them, they lose them just like the rest of us.
Not saying labs aren't ridiculous to find, but blaming corporations for the problem is just uninformed.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.07.29 04:53:00 -
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100k ISK still isnt much. But the research slots issue only awakens te sell-and-buy market. Want one ? Buy one from somebody !
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.07.29 04:53:00 -
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100k ISK still isnt much. But the research slots issue only awakens te sell-and-buy market. Want one ? Buy one from somebody !
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Anatolius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: mOULf
I Totally Agree.
With a price of 50000 or 100000 isk, The Lab Slot camping will be simply eliminated, making all people happy (except those %*$@ campers)
This is a TEN SECONDS CHANGE in the database during downtime !!!
WTF is CCP waiting for
50k. One level 2 agent mission.
100k. Two level 2 agent missions, one with a nice sellable reward.
500k. Poor day three newbies. Oh well, run a couple of agent missions.
1 million. Now we're getting somewhere, but anyone serious about stockpiling labslots will post an angry rant on the forums, and then pay.
Five million. Sure, now this might actually work. Would be interesting to see how many new players leave the game because they can't possibly afford to research iron charge s for months after they start. 
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Anatolius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: mOULf
I Totally Agree.
With a price of 50000 or 100000 isk, The Lab Slot camping will be simply eliminated, making all people happy (except those %*$@ campers)
This is a TEN SECONDS CHANGE in the database during downtime !!!
WTF is CCP waiting for
50k. One level 2 agent mission.
100k. Two level 2 agent missions, one with a nice sellable reward.
500k. Poor day three newbies. Oh well, run a couple of agent missions.
1 million. Now we're getting somewhere, but anyone serious about stockpiling labslots will post an angry rant on the forums, and then pay.
Five million. Sure, now this might actually work. Would be interesting to see how many new players leave the game because they can't possibly afford to research iron charge s for months after they start.
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Having recently acquired a lab slot (thank you, rental bug), I wholeheartily concur, there's absolutely no problem with lab slots! |
McFly
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Posted - 2004.07.29 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: McFly on 29/07/2004 05:36:18
Originally by: Detaurus
Given The fact that they cost only 1000 isk, and one corp can buy 20 stations worth without batting an eye, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL GAMER ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. PLEASE PLACE A LIMIT IMMEDIATELY.
Instead of wasting yor time complaining on the forums spend the time looking. If you were to camp a system for a while (maybe a couple days) your bound to find one or more. People make mistakes and forget to pay the rent. I don't mean camp a busy system but a system a ways out of the way and you'll find them. I'm speaking from experiance. My corp now has a nice set of labs from doing that.
Originally by: mOULf
I Totally Agree.
With a price of 50000 or 100000 isk, The Lab Slot camping will be simply eliminated, making all people happy (except those %*$@ campers)
This is a TEN SECONDS CHANGE in the database during downtime !!!
WTF is CCP waiting for
Even if the rent was increased to 100k or 500k it would'nt make me stop using my labs. If you get in the millions that might be another story, but really as long as the copies are selling to pay the rent and still have a profit.. I don't see why I would'nt keep them.
Originally by: mOULf
This is a TEN SECONDS CHANGE in the database during downtime !!!
WTF is CCP waiting for
I think you mean chance, and no your wrong! I just depends on the time and day the labs were rented. If the lab is empty when rent is due, I think they just get unrented for inactivity. Might help next time if you find out more b4 you jump to your own conclusion.
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.07.29 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: McFly on 29/07/2004 05:36:18
Originally by: Detaurus
Given The fact that they cost only 1000 isk, and one corp can buy 20 stations worth without batting an eye, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO HELP THE INDIVIDUAL GAMER ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH. PLEASE PLACE A LIMIT IMMEDIATELY.
Instead of wasting yor time complaining on the forums spend the time looking. If you were to camp a system for a while (maybe a couple days) your bound to find one or more. People make mistakes and forget to pay the rent. I don't mean camp a busy system but a system a ways out of the way and you'll find them. I'm speaking from experiance. My corp now has a nice set of labs from doing that.
Originally by: mOULf
I Totally Agree.
With a price of 50000 or 100000 isk, The Lab Slot camping will be simply eliminated, making all people happy (except those %*$@ campers)
This is a TEN SECONDS CHANGE in the database during downtime !!!
WTF is CCP waiting for
Even if the rent was increased to 100k or 500k it would'nt make me stop using my labs. If you get in the millions that might be another story, but really as long as the copies are selling to pay the rent and still have a profit.. I don't see why I would'nt keep them.
Originally by: mOULf
This is a TEN SECONDS CHANGE in the database during downtime !!!
WTF is CCP waiting for
I think you mean chance, and no your wrong! I just depends on the time and day the labs were rented. If the lab is empty when rent is due, I think they just get unrented for inactivity. Might help next time if you find out more b4 you jump to your own conclusion.
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.07.29 08:25:00 -
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Oh btw, there is one open slot 28 at Perdan VI - Moon 16 - DED Testing Facilities.
Only cause a corpmate has been on holiday and im not going 30jumps to toss a bpo in. Enjoy!
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.07.29 08:25:00 -
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Oh btw, there is one open slot 28 at Perdan VI - Moon 16 - DED Testing Facilities.
Only cause a corpmate has been on holiday and im not going 30jumps to toss a bpo in. Enjoy!
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Steno
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Posted - 2004.07.29 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Steno on 29/07/2004 08:32:21
in 2 weeks i've gotten 3 lab slots in 1 station. how? I simply stopped at the station whenever I was in the same system. Took barely a minute to check. Wow that was such hard work that its beyond the scope of reasonable play (note sarcasm here). The time you took to post this could have been time you spent making another check on your station and maybe finding a slot.
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Steno
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Posted - 2004.07.29 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Steno on 29/07/2004 08:32:21
in 2 weeks i've gotten 3 lab slots in 1 station. how? I simply stopped at the station whenever I was in the same system. Took barely a minute to check. Wow that was such hard work that its beyond the scope of reasonable play (note sarcasm here). The time you took to post this could have been time you spent making another check on your station and maybe finding a slot.
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.07.29 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Steno
Edited by: Steno on 29/07/2004 08:32:21
in 2 weeks i've gotten 3 lab slots in 1 station. how? I simply stopped at the station whenever I was in the same system. Took barely a minute to check. Wow that was such hard work that its beyond the scope of reasonable play (note sarcasm here). The time you took to post this could have been time you spent making another check on your station and maybe finding a slot.
Indeed! Some people just expect things to be handed to them I guess..
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.07.29 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Steno
Edited by: Steno on 29/07/2004 08:32:21
in 2 weeks i've gotten 3 lab slots in 1 station. how? I simply stopped at the station whenever I was in the same system. Took barely a minute to check. Wow that was such hard work that its beyond the scope of reasonable play (note sarcasm here). The time you took to post this could have been time you spent making another check on your station and maybe finding a slot.
Indeed! Some people just expect things to be handed to them I guess..
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Ro LaPont
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: McFly
Originally by: Steno
Edited by: Steno on 29/07/2004 08:32:21
in 2 weeks i've gotten 3 lab slots in 1 station. how? I simply stopped at the station whenever I was in the same system. Took barely a minute to check. Wow that was such hard work that its beyond the scope of reasonable play (note sarcasm here). The time you took to post this could have been time you spent making another check on your station and maybe finding a slot.
Indeed! Some people just expect things to be handed to them I guess..
Actually, I check every station I can every time I log on and I've been looking for about a week. Given your numbers, I should have a lab slot by now, especially since I've been checking multiple stations.
But apparently I've been waiting to have a research lab handed to me.
Alternatively, we can believe that perhaps you were lucky in finding your slots and everyone else - the hundreds of posts on this site and other sites - is telling the truth when they say they've made thirty jumps without finding a research lab available.
Changing the price of rent is not the right solution. Changing the *supply* of labs is. See the other thread (There are NO shortage of labs...) for my complete description of how this would work.
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Ro LaPont
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Posted - 2004.07.29 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: McFly
Originally by: Steno
Edited by: Steno on 29/07/2004 08:32:21
in 2 weeks i've gotten 3 lab slots in 1 station. how? I simply stopped at the station whenever I was in the same system. Took barely a minute to check. Wow that was such hard work that its beyond the scope of reasonable play (note sarcasm here). The time you took to post this could have been time you spent making another check on your station and maybe finding a slot.
Indeed! Some people just expect things to be handed to them I guess..
Actually, I check every station I can every time I log on and I've been looking for about a week. Given your numbers, I should have a lab slot by now, especially since I've been checking multiple stations.
But apparently I've been waiting to have a research lab handed to me.
Alternatively, we can believe that perhaps you were lucky in finding your slots and everyone else - the hundreds of posts on this site and other sites - is telling the truth when they say they've made thirty jumps without finding a research lab available.
Changing the price of rent is not the right solution. Changing the *supply* of labs is. See the other thread (There are NO shortage of labs...) for my complete description of how this would work.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:25:00 -
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There is a shortage of labs and the situation has been steadily getting worse for a couple months now at least. What's happening is that careless and casual people are gradually losing the slots and they're getting picked up by people sitting on them due to the shortage. Occasionally slots free up due to bugs and such, but that's hardly a nice way of grabbing a slot is it? And what happens if that bug if fixed?
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:25:00 -
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There is a shortage of labs and the situation has been steadily getting worse for a couple months now at least. What's happening is that careless and casual people are gradually losing the slots and they're getting picked up by people sitting on them due to the shortage. Occasionally slots free up due to bugs and such, but that's hardly a nice way of grabbing a slot is it? And what happens if that bug if fixed?
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:50:00 -
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It's not as easy as "camping a system". I do a lot of travelling in Empire space during my trade runs, and every time I dock at a station with labs, I check if any are available. I did come across a lab slot this way a couple of weeks ago, and I quickly sold it, but it's definitely a rare occurrence nowadays. It used to be much easier as recently as only 4-5 months ago.
There was actually a dev blog on the subject, suggesting a change would be about soon... (TM) |
Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:50:00 -
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It's not as easy as "camping a system". I do a lot of travelling in Empire space during my trade runs, and every time I dock at a station with labs, I check if any are available. I did come across a lab slot this way a couple of weeks ago, and I quickly sold it, but it's definitely a rare occurrence nowadays. It used to be much easier as recently as only 4-5 months ago.
There was actually a dev blog on the subject, suggesting a change would be about soon... (TM) |
Droidster
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:02:00 -
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Got to totally agree here. The lab slot situation is absurd. Glad I'm not a researcher.
I have made a habit of checking slots every time I entered a station with them. Thats hundreds and hundreds of checks over all the regions in empire (I am a trader), yet I have NEVER encountered a station with an empty research slot.
This is a huge weakness in the game.
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Droidster
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:02:00 -
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Got to totally agree here. The lab slot situation is absurd. Glad I'm not a researcher.
I have made a habit of checking slots every time I entered a station with them. Thats hundreds and hundreds of checks over all the regions in empire (I am a trader), yet I have NEVER encountered a station with an empty research slot.
This is a huge weakness in the game.
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: KingsGambit on 29/07/2004 22:10:15
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Five million. Sure, now this might actually work. Would be interesting to see how many new players leave the game because they can't possibly afford to research iron charge s for months after they start
At this money the cost of research will actually become a factor, driving up prices of everything being built and copied. Would you spend 5mill for a handful of runs on a frigate BPO? This would hurt genuine lab users more than campers and is frankly ridiculous. Not to mention, the unfair advantage had by players who already have researched BPOs and don't need to recoup research costs from sales, vs new players who would pay more.
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With a price of 50000 or 100000 isk, The Lab Slot camping will be simply eliminated
No this won't help either. Even at that price, as someone else pointed out, the cost is still not prohibitive. Cost isn't the way to tackle the issue, because it will affect BPC prices, and prevent cheaper BPOs coming on to the market, where the research cost isn't worth it. Better to build from an unresearched BPO and make a litle extra on sales. The solution that I've suggest in another thread, which would eliminate camping/buying & selling of slots, and won't hurt genuine users, is to increase the number of slots to the extent that every player in-game could rent 100 each and still have hundreds left. It won't make BPCs worth less than they are, and would put an end to these tedious threads about a problem that's been voiced 100 times over.
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: KingsGambit on 29/07/2004 22:10:15
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Five million. Sure, now this might actually work. Would be interesting to see how many new players leave the game because they can't possibly afford to research iron charge s for months after they start
At this money the cost of research will actually become a factor, driving up prices of everything being built and copied. Would you spend 5mill for a handful of runs on a frigate BPO? This would hurt genuine lab users more than campers and is frankly ridiculous. Not to mention, the unfair advantage had by players who already have researched BPOs and don't need to recoup research costs from sales, vs new players who would pay more.
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With a price of 50000 or 100000 isk, The Lab Slot camping will be simply eliminated
No this won't help either. Even at that price, as someone else pointed out, the cost is still not prohibitive. Cost isn't the way to tackle the issue, because it will affect BPC prices, and prevent cheaper BPOs coming on to the market, where the research cost isn't worth it. Better to build from an unresearched BPO and make a litle extra on sales. The solution that I've suggest in another thread, which would eliminate camping/buying & selling of slots, and won't hurt genuine users, is to increase the number of slots to the extent that every player in-game could rent 100 each and still have hundreds left. It won't make BPCs worth less than they are, and would put an end to these tedious threads about a problem that's been voiced 100 times over.
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mOULf
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:47:00 -
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i don't blame people that research valuable BP. But i think 100k (or maybe 200k) for a lab, that makes 500k for 5 labs in five days, would stop those who are just researching basic scrap BPO just for occupying the lab.
that's been weeks since i did not see a slot open and i have traveled quite a lot.
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mOULf
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Posted - 2004.07.31 23:47:00 -
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i don't blame people that research valuable BP. But i think 100k (or maybe 200k) for a lab, that makes 500k for 5 labs in five days, would stop those who are just researching basic scrap BPO just for occupying the lab.
that's been weeks since i did not see a slot open and i have traveled quite a lot.
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Maggie Thatcher
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Posted - 2004.08.01 09:30:00 -
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4 slots are available in Asrios, please see market thread
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Maggie Thatcher
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Posted - 2004.08.01 09:30:00 -
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4 slots are available in Asrios, please see market thread
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Kerplunk
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Posted - 2004.08.01 09:52:00 -
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Hmm, don't understand all the hoohar and people getting ****ed off with lab slots being hard to find! Sure they are very hard to come across , but just to make a change in the game (increasing the price) JUST because YOU haven't got one sounds pretty childish and spitefull really. Sounds like we're back in junior school!
I was after a lab slot and just kept checking the system I was doing missions in and after 3-4 days I was lucky enough to come across one, I was well chuffed! Now the lab slots have to be used at least once anyway so you can't really camp them without having to use them for something.
IMO of course
Kerplunk
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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.
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Kerplunk
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Posted - 2004.08.01 09:52:00 -
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Hmm, don't understand all the hoohar and people getting ****ed off with lab slots being hard to find! Sure they are very hard to come across , but just to make a change in the game (increasing the price) JUST because YOU haven't got one sounds pretty childish and spitefull really. Sounds like we're back in junior school!
I was after a lab slot and just kept checking the system I was doing missions in and after 3-4 days I was lucky enough to come across one, I was well chuffed! Now the lab slots have to be used at least once anyway so you can't really camp them without having to use them for something.
IMO of course
Kerplunk
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Xxein Xstace
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Posted - 2004.08.02 19:28:00 -
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I just went through 2 whole regions looking for a spot and did not find one :( Domain and The Bleak Lands. Im trying to find a spot near where I have my factory slots so Im more centralized, I do agree though. But I'm not going to complain, instead you just have to deal with it.
Maybe add a couple more Research labs to some stations. I checked some of the names, Biotech stations etc.. You would think a station with a name like Biotech would be a prime place for labratories.
Factories are a dime a dozen, but labs are impossible to find. Think about real world.. You can put a research lab pretty much anywhere you want, in your house, here there etc.. A factory takes up much more space. BP copies? only need a work bench for that, I could copy a BP while on autopilot if you wanted to get technical ;)
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Xxein Xstace
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Posted - 2004.08.02 19:28:00 -
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I just went through 2 whole regions looking for a spot and did not find one :( Domain and The Bleak Lands. Im trying to find a spot near where I have my factory slots so Im more centralized, I do agree though. But I'm not going to complain, instead you just have to deal with it.
Maybe add a couple more Research labs to some stations. I checked some of the names, Biotech stations etc.. You would think a station with a name like Biotech would be a prime place for labratories.
Factories are a dime a dozen, but labs are impossible to find. Think about real world.. You can put a research lab pretty much anywhere you want, in your house, here there etc.. A factory takes up much more space. BP copies? only need a work bench for that, I could copy a BP while on autopilot if you wanted to get technical ;)
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Eladara
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Posted - 2004.08.02 20:00:00 -
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How about a complete change to the system as it seems a bit crap to me.
A suggestion:
- Why not allow every player to rent a single lab slot - yes, just one - and a corp to have a single slot too.
- Then allow the lab slot skills to increase the number of runs\activities that you can have in a single lab slot (yes it would need a change of interface, but...)
- Importatly, corp labs would operate in the same way at the player level, so a player with the skills to run lab projects can run projects in the lab his\her corp rents.
- In this case, no limit to the number of runs that can be done in a single lab - just the number of runs that can be done by a single person.
Why this way?
You still have to rent a lab and it could cost more if you think it should (which I do)
Research would still be very much skill based
There would be no need to camp lab slots and no way to needlessly block up more than one
The popular stations would still fill up BUT the less popular stations would suddenly find themselves with a lot of free lab slots.
Tbh, I can't see any negatives to the above but would like to hear your comments.
All the best
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Eladara
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Posted - 2004.08.02 20:00:00 -
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How about a complete change to the system as it seems a bit crap to me.
A suggestion:
- Why not allow every player to rent a single lab slot - yes, just one - and a corp to have a single slot too.
- Then allow the lab slot skills to increase the number of runs\activities that you can have in a single lab slot (yes it would need a change of interface, but...)
- Importatly, corp labs would operate in the same way at the player level, so a player with the skills to run lab projects can run projects in the lab his\her corp rents.
- In this case, no limit to the number of runs that can be done in a single lab - just the number of runs that can be done by a single person.
Why this way?
You still have to rent a lab and it could cost more if you think it should (which I do)
Research would still be very much skill based
There would be no need to camp lab slots and no way to needlessly block up more than one
The popular stations would still fill up BUT the less popular stations would suddenly find themselves with a lot of free lab slots.
Tbh, I can't see any negatives to the above but would like to hear your comments.
All the best
El
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:10:00 -
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I really don't think CCP intended everyone to be researchers either. I remember 6 moths ago labs were everywhere, but now.. everyone has a researcher alt. MHO
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.08.02 21:10:00 -
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I really don't think CCP intended everyone to be researchers either. I remember 6 moths ago labs were everywhere, but now.. everyone has a researcher alt. MHO
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Kalfu
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: McFly
I really don't think CCP intended everyone to be researchers either. I remember 6 moths ago labs were everywhere, but now.. everyone has a researcher alt. MHO
The game is setup to encourage players to research. There's no other way to get access to non-ME 0 BPOs, other than joining a big established corp. If that's not what CCP want they better figure out what went wrong and how to fix it. Demand is far outstripping supply, and the market needs to respond by either making more slots available or pushing up teh slot prices. Failure to do these makes a mockery of the whole "player driven economy" thing.
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Kalfu
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: McFly
I really don't think CCP intended everyone to be researchers either. I remember 6 moths ago labs were everywhere, but now.. everyone has a researcher alt. MHO
The game is setup to encourage players to research. There's no other way to get access to non-ME 0 BPOs, other than joining a big established corp. If that's not what CCP want they better figure out what went wrong and how to fix it. Demand is far outstripping supply, and the market needs to respond by either making more slots available or pushing up teh slot prices. Failure to do these makes a mockery of the whole "player driven economy" thing.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:38:00 -
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Eladara i think that is quite a good idea, i was going to become a manufacturer, but i gave up when i found there was no way i could make a profit as there was no way i could find a lab slot, so i moved on to something else.
I personally don't see a problem with the 1 lab slot per person idea, it makes it easier for everyone.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:38:00 -
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Eladara i think that is quite a good idea, i was going to become a manufacturer, but i gave up when i found there was no way i could make a profit as there was no way i could find a lab slot, so i moved on to something else.
I personally don't see a problem with the 1 lab slot per person idea, it makes it easier for everyone.
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Siroc
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Posted - 2004.08.03 19:24:00 -
[47]
you do not need a lab slots to be a manufacturer. You can buy researched BPCs and BPOs (once you made enough money and think you need them) or you can hire a researcher who you trust to do the research for you for fee. There are plenty opportunities out there.
Being self efficient is nice and i admit, i was a bit ticked off when I lost my only lab slot, but realy, it is not such a big loss. There are plenty of researchers in the game who are researching BPOs and making BPCs in hopes that someone will buy them from escrow, just look there and contact them directly and find out if they can do the research for you.
You can not do research at the same pace as someone who has skills for it, no reason to waste time on research skills if you concentrating on manufacturing things. You have enough skills you need to raise as it is. (industry/production efficiency/refining skills...etc)
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Siroc
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Posted - 2004.08.03 19:24:00 -
[48]
you do not need a lab slots to be a manufacturer. You can buy researched BPCs and BPOs (once you made enough money and think you need them) or you can hire a researcher who you trust to do the research for you for fee. There are plenty opportunities out there.
Being self efficient is nice and i admit, i was a bit ticked off when I lost my only lab slot, but realy, it is not such a big loss. There are plenty of researchers in the game who are researching BPOs and making BPCs in hopes that someone will buy them from escrow, just look there and contact them directly and find out if they can do the research for you.
You can not do research at the same pace as someone who has skills for it, no reason to waste time on research skills if you concentrating on manufacturing things. You have enough skills you need to raise as it is. (industry/production efficiency/refining skills...etc)
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Rakshasa
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Posted - 2004.08.03 21:08:00 -
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Hey... Don't justify your complaints by saying it is unfair to the new players. As a new player, the lab slot shortage allowed me to find lab slots as sell them for 20M each... How else can new players hope to make enough cash to buy implants?
As for the realisitic economy argument... the whole things is messed. ME should be achieved by mass production at factories, not changes to the blue prints. Lab research should improve the properties of the items, not their production costs.
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Rakshasa
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Posted - 2004.08.03 21:08:00 -
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Hey... Don't justify your complaints by saying it is unfair to the new players. As a new player, the lab slot shortage allowed me to find lab slots as sell them for 20M each... How else can new players hope to make enough cash to buy implants?
As for the realisitic economy argument... the whole things is messed. ME should be achieved by mass production at factories, not changes to the blue prints. Lab research should improve the properties of the items, not their production costs.
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