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Sade Onyx	Posted - 2009.01.21 09:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Qordel Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48 Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point? The same way that you magically write in worm holes through out space that no one else has ever seen before.
Darwin Duck A Quest Millitia	Posted - 2009.01.21 09:33:00 - [32] Bio ships (living ships like Moya from farscape :)
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.01.21 09:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Heyte Making a new race is a matter of - 1. New models. 2. New textures. 3. New attribute and skill mash up and new numbers to accomodate art. 4. New 2d art. That's it. What about ... 5. new sensor type (each race has their own sensor strength) 6. new weapon type (each race has their main weapon type like laser, projectiles, blasters/drones, missiles) 7. huge amount of balancing (ccp has already a hell of a job to balance all the existing races, imagine a complete new race now) 8. new industry (each race has their specific industry with tons of blueprints) 9. new ores/moons (each race have their own moon types for building t2, eg. minmatar is scandium based, each race have their own isotopes for pos/jump drives) 10. new in-game lore (which bloodlines, corps, stations belong to this new race? how do they look like etc.) Alone the points 1,2,4 would mean that ccp would need to invest 20% of the amount of artwork they did for trinity expansion + upcomming apocryphia expansion into a new race. And that is only art! The gameplay is much more a problem and more difficult and would need longer time. And what for? For nothing at all, a new race would make no sense at all. We don't need it. I would like to see all that time for a new race spent on bugfixes instead and really cool graphics - like a new background based on fractals and procedurally generated. A new background affects 99.9% of the players (those 0.1% never leave station ever )! A new race is just absurd nonsense.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:15:00 - [34] Hm, it would be more possible to open up one of the existing factions and add new races for that faction for the players to play. Factions like Syndicate, Thukkers, Sansha's Nation and The Society of Conscious Thought are possible factions were not-yet-playable races could be integrated.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:56:00 - [35] I'd be surprised to see a new playable race. As has been mentioned before, there is too much to take into account considering all the design aspects and balancing between the four existing factions. However, new races as part of existing factions are possible, but I think this would be unlikely, as there are three apiece now anyway. I think the most likely possibility is the introduction of the Jovians, but not as a playable race. Their ships will probably be introduced as NPCs, but their technology will influence the tech 3 stuff. I response to a previous poster, I can't see why there can't be aliens in the game anywhere, but they would have to fit the universe. No crappy 'cornish pasty stapled to the forehead' humanoid aliens would be allowed. This game doesn't need to adhere to the limitations of television budgets. If you're going to have aliens, make them truly alien, like floating bags of gas with cillia instead of limbs. Anyway, wouldn't the original humans be more like aliens by EVE's timeline, having thousands of years of unfettered development?
Taylor timenenzi	Posted - 2009.01.21 11:59:00 - [36] Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 21/01/2009 01:41:43 Originally by: Master Zeuth Originally by: Qordel Those are merely bloodlines. Not exactly the same as "oh, hey look at this fifth race over here!". Bloodlines are races? Or am I wrong here? These different races fight for the same faction? Yes? His point is, the bloodlines just sprang out of nowhere. They suddenly moved from their planets into space immediately, rather then gradually. This is all lorewise. Also, for new races, if they were to make one, here's hoping terrans. I was thinking that. The eve wormhole suddenly opens up and BAM earthincans are running rampent. To the rest screaming NO CHANCE 0% CHANCE. Well when did you start deciding on what CCP will do? If you know can I get the match six this past year ive lost about 200k from the economy dropping into the **ter. To the other side that are all like "OMG they need new wepons and blah blah **ing blah blah blah" If they went with reintroducing earth (and when they did that they could easily just add 3000-5000 systems over on the other side of the wormhole) they use a mix of exsisting techs. It is pretty much where the EVE races would tech would of sprang from.
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Taylor timenenzi I was thinking that. No you weren't. Originally by: Taylor timenenzi To the rest screaming NO CHANCE 0% CHANCE. Well when did you start deciding on what CCP will do? If you know can I get the match six this past year ive lost about 200k from the economy dropping into the **ter. The match six whattum? please explain. Originally by:** Taylor timenenzi To the other side that are all like "OMG they need new wepons and blah blah **ing blah blah blah" You really make a good point here. Helps us all a lot further, especially the blah part. Originally by:** Taylor timenenzi If they went with reintroducing earth (and when they did that they could easily just add 3000-5000 systems over on the other side of the wormhole) they use a mix of exsisting techs. It is pretty much where the EVE races would tech would of sprang from. Easily? 3000-5000 new systems, on what cluster? Secondly, the tech in EVE is afaik build nearly from scratch, after the great downfall. Quote: Thousands of small colonies were left in complete isolation to fend for themselves, cut off from the old world. For millennia they endured, clinging to the brink of extinction, and only a handful managed to survive. They probably went down to what we call the middle ages, then slowly climbed up. Using new resources to create new technologies not seen on Earth before. Even if CCP would introduce Sol system back, or Terrans for that matter, we would have developed in complete different directions. Just look at the Jove. Originally by: AkRoYeR ...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die! Best game ever!
Taylor timenenzi	Posted - 2009.01.21 12:54:00 - [38] Edited by: Taylor timenenzi on 21/01/2009 12:56:09 Originally by: Maria Kalista Originally by: Taylor timenenzi I was thinking that. No you weren't. Originally by: Taylor timenenzi To the rest screaming NO CHANCE 0% CHANCE. Well when did you start deciding on what CCP will do? If you know can I get the match six this past year ive lost about 200k from the economy dropping into the **ter. The match six whattum? please explain. Originally by:** Taylor timenenzi To the other side that are all like "OMG they need new wepons and blah blah **ing blah blah blah" You really make a good point here. Helps us all a lot further, especially the blah part. Originally by:** Taylor timenenzi If they went with reintroducing earth (and when they did that they could easily just add 3000-5000 systems over on the other side of the wormhole) they use a mix of exsisting techs. It is pretty much where the EVE races would tech would of sprang from. Easily? 3000-5000 new systems, on what cluster? Secondly, the tech in EVE is afaik build nearly from scratch, after the great downfall. Quote: Thousands of small colonies were left in complete isolation to fend for themselves, cut off from the old world. For millennia they endured, clinging to the brink of extinction, and only a handful managed to survive. They probably went down to what we call the middle ages, then slowly climbed up. Using new resources to create new technologies not seen on Earth before. Even if CCP would introduce Sol system back, or Terrans for that matter, we would have developed in complete different directions. Just look at the Jove. Yes I was actualy thinking about something like bringing terrans into eve. Match six = lottoery Blah blah blah the point is why does it have to be all new? Just because you say it has to be? Okay easily was the wrong word but it could be a way to add a large new expanse of space in the future. So they threw all that old earth tech away and started from scratch right? "screw this stuff from earth we will just go back to banging two rocks together to make simple tools and start from there. We will also never even if we invent it ourselves use something similiar to what came from earth" Like that? And why just because YOU think so? A few years ago if I was to say that CCP would make walking in stations there would be your type saying NO NANANANANA NO because I SAY SO it cant happen. Joves ended up that way because of genetic engineering. Whose to say earth didnt end up like the caldari, or the amarr a religious freak show? Maybe like some sissy peace loving gallente? Again why because you dont think its allowed?
Saju Somtaaw Gallente Department of Defence	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:22:00 - [39] Taylor-they didn't throw it out, it was lost over the course of a few thousand years. IIRC were about TWENTY-SIX THOUSAND years after the eve wormhole collapsed.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:24:00 - [40] I think the op wants to play the borg
Ottersmacker 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:38:00 - [41] So.. little green force sensitive men and women with 1 charisma will emerge on M10?
LordSwift Unus Somnium Inc StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:43:00 - [42] Why would we ever need any new races. We already have 5 races out of which 4 are playable. Never want Jove to become playable, They are backstory race only.
Gierling Gallente Viper Squad	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:01:00 - [43] Ovuer MEntioned new Races in one of his latest dev blogs. Its certainly doable and if you think about it it could add a lot to the game. Really the hardest part would be playbalancing the new ships, actually creating the models and textures is something they have the art staff to do (remember they remodeled every ship in the game a year and a half ago and that didn't take them more then a couple months). As far as introducing them, the Eve Map is NOT static they can add systems, clusters and regions anywhere they want. The best way imho would be just to add 2 new races at the far end of 0.0 (probably below Feythabolis), so you'd have 2 "Empire areas" seperated by 0.0. That would certainly make trade more interesting. As far as weapons/sensors new sensor types are easy as are weapon types. However I think that new damage types are required, the only racial pairings that aren't used right now would be EM/Kinetic (Particle beams mayhaps?) and EM/Explosive (this would be the God Weapon)
Warpfactor 9	Posted - 2009.01.24 03:34:00 - [44] I would think that in order to have balance, that would be a problem. Two on two, or one on one (Caldari/Amarr and Galente/Minmatar) makes for even play, and goes with the backstory. I don't think we need more races, I just think we need to make sure there is a case to join any race, and that one race not be much superior to any of the others. If all four races had as close to 25% players as possible, that would be ideal, especially if Faction Warfare continues to evolve for the better. A fifth race would upset the balance even more than it is now.
Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.24 03:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 21/01/2009 08:45:20 Well, terran are male/female. They're ordinary humans from earth. Earth would be on scale with jovians or perhaps more godly. Or perhaps dystopic and corporate, if the peaceful originally new eden never allowed a head start for these humans. Or... maybe they'll be like the ladder with the addition of being akin to those turkish/chinese/english humans from south park (the ones that came from the future). My theory is that the worm hole that lead to new eden also sent the travelers forward in time. But it didn't send them to a distant part of space. I vote the earth is in Jovian space and the Jovians are descendants of humans. HOWS THAT SOUND?!
Jove X Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2009.01.24 04:03:00 - [46] Does someone need to point out that we don't need more races? .. the ones we have now don't get along ...
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.24 04:06:00 - [47] we need to boost caldari and nerf achura face achura must be treated, so that their portrait isn't pitiful
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.01.24 04:52:00 - [48] Seeing what a monumental fiasco the asian bloodlines were it's nothing I'm hoping for. They haven't even managed to bring in the achura in line with the rest yet and that ain't brain surgery, now imagine 4 more. Delenda est achura.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.24 05:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Qordel Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48 Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point? Same way we got there?
Master Han The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2009.01.24 05:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Gnulpie What about ... 5. new sensor type (each race has their own sensor strength) 6. new weapon type (each race has their main weapon type like laser, projectiles, blasters/drones, missiles) 7. huge amount of balancing (ccp has already a hell of a job to balance all the existing races, imagine a complete new race now) 8. new industry (each race has their specific industry with tons of blueprints) 9. new ores/moons (each race have their own moon types for building t2, eg. minmatar is scandium based, each race have their own isotopes for pos/jump drives) 10. new in-game lore (which bloodlines, corps, stations belong to this new race? how do they look like etc.) Well the last upgrade coincided with a WoW patch, so maybe they are trying to attract players from there. So the new race would be the Imbued. They have 3 bloodlines: Orc, Elf, and Dwarf. 5. Sensor Type: Magical 6. Weapons: fireball for range and Burning Hands for up close work 7. Balancing: no need to balance as Magic sensors will be immune to ECM, ending all ECM nerf whines. 8. Industry: potions and spell components for magic weapons 9. New ores/moons: ores - adamantium and mithril, moons: blue cheese and mana 10. New Ingame Lore: put the WoD team to work on this one - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This is not the alt your looking for...
EnslaverOfMinmatar	Posted - 2009.01.24 06:03:00 - [51] Drones should be the 6th race as an artificial stupid life form.
Dreamwalker	Posted - 2009.01.24 06:37:00 - [52] Edited by: Dreamwalker on 24/01/2009 06:41:24 Originally by: Master Zeuth Curious on what the chances are of new playable races(no not jovians either)? And if so a time frame? 6 months/1 year/decade? You want elves in space? Or is it just orcs? And no please no new race, it just isn't needed. edit I would like to see players able to sign up and permittedly join the pirate factions. But this would need to be new chars.
Katy Karkinoff Minmatar Psycho Chicks	Posted - 2009.01.24 06:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Master Han Originally by: Gnulpie What about ... 5. new sensor type (each race has their own sensor strength) 6. new weapon type (each race has their main weapon type like laser, projectiles, blasters/drones, missiles) 7. huge amount of balancing (ccp has already a hell of a job to balance all the existing races, imagine a complete new race now) 8. new industry (each race has their specific industry with tons of blueprints) 9. new ores/moons (each race have their own moon types for building t2, eg. minmatar is scandium based, each race have their own isotopes for pos/jump drives) 10. new in-game lore (which bloodlines, corps, stations belong to this new race? how do they look like etc.) Well the last upgrade coincided with a WoW patch, so maybe they are trying to attract players from there. So the new race would be the Imbued. They have 3 bloodlines: Orc, Elf, and Dwarf. 5. Sensor Type: Magical 6. Weapons: fireball for range and Burning Hands for up close work 7. Balancing: no need to balance as Magic sensors will be immune to ECM, ending all ECM nerf whines. 8. Industry: potions and spell components for magic weapons 9. New ores/moons: ores - adamantium and mithril, moons: blue cheese and mana 10. New Ingame Lore: put the WoD team to work on this one oh god i peed. Also, some said it above but: Jove is soley a backstory race. How can you expect Jove to become playable when they are described as the super race that nearly turned themselves into gods (granted the **ed up, but they are still superior to other races intelligence wise) and not to mention that all of their ships are indestructible. "Hey you guys! We just totally ** on all of our ships to make them suck like yours so we can be together more often! Woopee!" Anyways, no. If they make Jove playable them something in eve has gone horrendously wrong. God i feel repetitive with all the other posters...:We dont need it, and its wasted effort. If anything it will disproportion any semblance of balance that we have. Focus should be on fixing things that aren't working properly (b-ops...) and while i hope for the best, i'm sure t3 will need some serious work. If we really do want something shocking the whole separate high sec/empire region could be cool. Perhaps a 0.0 barrier between it would be stupid though cuz you know some morons are just gonna bubble camp it 23/7. Perhaps after the said new region discovery the factions can like feud over it. Hell, give some space for expansion of that FW thing(which needs rewards tbfh). Look how good i am getting off topic ^^
ry ry	Posted - 2009.01.24 10:15:00 - [54] the new race will be Tyranids. i saw it on youtube.
Toshiro Khan Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.24 11:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Taylor timenenzi Yes I was actualy thinking about something like bringing terrans into eve. Match six = lottoery Blah blah blah the point is why does it have to be all new? Just because you say it has to be? Okay easily was the wrong word but it could be a way to add a large new expanse of space in the future. So they threw all that old earth tech away and started from scratch right? "screw this stuff from earth we will just go back to banging two rocks together to make simple tools and start from there. We will also never even if we invent it ourselves use something similiar to what came from earth" Like that? And why just because YOU think so? You should read the back story.. It wasn't a case of people just throwing away the tech that they had at the time. The whole Eve story starts really starts around 8061AD when the Eve gate closes.. The there is an 8 to 12 thousand year jump in each races time line.. Its during that time that the so called dark age happened, when and was when the technology of the time was dis-guarded. You have to remember that, there is no access to new parts for the tech, so as things break they get thrown away and so on. Not all the tech of the was lost.. For example, the Minmatar started to use ancient star gates to colonies other systems. But there was a point when technology growth in eve stopped and everything reverted to a time before space travel. As for Earth, for most people in eve.. They would have never heard of Earth, it would be a fairy tale at best.. But if the Terrens was still around, their tech level would be a good 10 to 20 thousand years more advanced the whats in eve. This is providing that they didn't wipe themselves out at some point. Originally by: Taylor timenenzi A few years ago if I was to say that CCP would make walking in stations there would be your type saying NO NANANANANA NO because I SAY SO it cant happen. Erm.... those who was about in beta wouldn't have said that.. As it was something that was often spoken about on the beta forums as one of the plans for eve. So if a few years ago you had said about WiS, people would have said "I can't wait for that to happen, as it was promised ages ago.." Originally by: Taylor timenenzi Joves ended up that way because of genetic engineering. Whose to say earth didnt end up like the caldari, or the amarr a religious freak show? Maybe like some sissy peace loving gallente? Again why because you dont think its allowed? Who is to say they even exist any more? The solar system was already becoming over populated.. Thus the eve gate discovery was a blessing as it allowed for some expansion and to give folks some elbow room, so to speak. And I wouldn't say the Gallente was peace loving sissies... After all the conquered Caldari Prime, when the Amarrian discovered the Gallente. They didn't invade, like they did with the Matari as the see the Gallente military force equal in strength to their own. And any race that executes its traitors in such a brutal and messy way in public, just kinda falls outside of the sissy area.
Darwin Duck A Quest Millitia	Posted - 2009.01.24 12:07:00 - [56] March 10th patch will deliver 2 new playable races. Scarrans and Sebaceans Some of you will get it, others will think "WTH is this dufus talking about"
Toshiro Khan Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.24 12:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Darwin Duck March 10th patch will deliver 2 new playable races. Scarrans and Sebaceans Some of you will get it, others will think "WTH is this dufus talking about"
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.01.24 12:48:00 - [58] Edited by: Nyphur on 24/01/2009 12:51:01 Originally by: Heyte Making a new race is a matter of - 1. New models. 2. New textures. 3. New attribute and skill mash up and new numbers to accomodate art. 4. New 2d art. That's it. Are you assuming that this new race would use all of the existing race's ships and modules? You're talking entire new weapon systems and new ships for every single class and tier, all of which has to be somehow balanced before release of a fifth playable race. And that's not even mentioning the need for a whole slew of new star systems for this race to inhabit and storyline about how they were discovered. You're literally talking about making another 25% of most of the content in EVE, it's just not feasible. What I think you're thinking of is a bloodline, and as the bloodline patch proved each of those points you listed (particularly the first two) are much more time consuming than you imagine. EDIT: Oh people beat me to it. That's what I get for not reading the whole thread ^^; EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.

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