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Master Zeuth
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:42:00 -
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Curious on what the chances are of new playable races(no not jovians either)? And if so a time frame? 6 months/1 year/decade?
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:45:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Qordel
Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
Hey guys! Look what I found in this wormhole! 
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:48:00 -
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Fedo mutations. Here's our chance to one-up Achura with an even LOWER charisma and ever more hideous logon portrait.
Every minmaxer will roll at least one.
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Master Zeuth
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
It could be done easily as long as it doesn't conflict with the current lore. Theres alot out in New Eden that is still unknown so another race or two wont break the storyline. Also with the addition of wormholes could infact bring in new races considering thats how New Eden became what it is now.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:55:00 -
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You kids and your future new race alts 
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Master Zeuth
Originally by: Qordel
Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
It could be done easily as long as it doesn't conflict with the current lore. Theres alot out in New Eden that is still unknown so another race or two wont break the storyline. Also with the addition of wormholes could infact bring in new races considering thats how New Eden became what it is now.
Right, but how are you going to write it in as to why they just magically appear in the currently known 5,000 systems? Unless wormholes are going to lead us to an entirely new set of dozens or hundreds or thousands of solar systems with an explanation as to why they had previously not bothered to set out into any of the currently known 5,000.
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Master Zeuth
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
Right, but how are you going to write it in as to why they just magically appear in the currently known 5,000 systems? Unless wormholes are going to lead us to an entirely new set of dozens or hundreds or thousands of solar systems with an explanation as to why they had previously not bothered to set out into any of the currently known 5,000.
So pretty much what your stating is that just because its not currently in the storyline that nothing else can be added?
Plus there are cases if you run missions or read datalogs that drop from rats of reports of UFOs though most people dont notice these because most dont actually take the time to read them.
Also to my understandings wormholes will be more or less natural and not man made which means how could these races reach any one of the 5,000 known systems before hand?
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Vendrin
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
You mean like the Jin Mei, Achura, and Vherokior? Which we still don't have an explanation for? |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
Originally by: Qordel
Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
You mean like the Jin Mei, Achura, and Vherokior? Which we still don't have an explanation for?
Those are merely bloodlines. Not exactly the same as "oh, hey look at this fifth race over here!". |
Master Zeuth
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
Those are merely bloodlines. Not exactly the same as "oh, hey look at this fifth race over here!".
Bloodlines are races? Or am I wrong here? These different races fight for the same faction? Yes?
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Master Zeuth
Originally by: Qordel
Those are merely bloodlines. Not exactly the same as "oh, hey look at this fifth race over here!".
Bloodlines are races? Or am I wrong here? These different races fight for the same faction? Yes?
That's not the way I have always understood it, but perhaps you're right.
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Kaahles
n0thing Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kaahles on 21/01/2009 00:24:07
Guys be creative... New Scanner technology just made it possible a short time ago to even detect those wormholes which are pretty unstable and switch their location at random. After a few weeks of work scientists modified the propulsion and shield systems of most ships to make it possible to travel through those wormholes.
And then... a new race.. omg how could it happen we never met them?
They just haven't developed FTL yet?
They don't have our amazing scanners?
There was a giant fleet of generational ships caught in the wormhole decades ago while trying to reach the other side and now they are finally free because some explorers found them and where able to rescue them?
The just don't care about wormholes and never bothered to investigate them?
The possibilities are endless on how to introduce them the problem is just... a new race, that never visited new eden before would bring some unique technology with them. Stuff like new weapon system, own ships and hell who knows what kind of fancy entertainment stuff.
So we would need new ships and modules and maybe even weapons, to develop them would take a lot of time and manpower... Oh wait... did anyone say who developed the new T3 stuff yet?
Possible: yes / likely to be soon: no
just my 2 cent
edit: some spelling stuff
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:24:00 -
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Plenty of ways a new race could be introduced like coming across a unknown civilisation or maybe a separatist group from the existing factions like could set up shop in some new regions and begin to form their own culture with unique ship and combat philosophy.
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Master Zeuth
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:45:00 -
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The addition of a new playable race would in fact mean the addition of 2 races so it would be able to counter the other.
This would be a major addition probably the largest since it would have to be new space, 2 new styles of weaponry(since right now each faction has 2 distinct forms of weapons ie Matari=AC/Artillery, Gall=Blasters/Drones, Caldari=Rails/Missiles, and Amarr=Pulse/Beam) Also the addition of 20 t1 ships plus x amount of t2/t3 variants.
I would think that would be more worth the man hours then WIS. But maybe thats just me. |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:50:00 -
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not happening , be done with your achura |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
MasterBlasters Inc.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:59:00 -
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I would totally roll an Ogrechura  |
Lt Shard
Shoot To Thrill
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:22:00 -
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Short answer: 0% |
Finnroth
Caldari
The Guardian Agency
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:31:00 -
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Could it be done? Lore wise pretty easily, there's enough stuff you could that explain with. Will it be done? Probably not, there's a ridicolous small chance that they will implement Jove one day, but beyond that i don't think they will do something like that.
The older the game gets, the more complicated it is to establish a new race within the current boundaries. There's just a huuuuuge amount of ships and stuff to do, you would have to give them unique abilitys like special EWAR, maby even a new damage type to be able to still use the current system and so on and so forth.
Additional to that, you would have to make a whole lot of new content for WiS aswell.
So long story short: We will probably never see new races. |
SengH
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:36:00 -
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I'd say the chances of CCP finally giving up and canning minmatar as a playable race is higher. |
Heyte
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Heyte on 21/01/2009 01:41:43
Originally by: Master Zeuth
Originally by: Qordel
Those are merely bloodlines. Not exactly the same as "oh, hey look at this fifth race over here!".
Bloodlines are races? Or am I wrong here? These different races fight for the same faction? Yes?
His point is, the bloodlines just sprang out of nowhere. They suddenly moved from their planets into space immediately, rather then gradually. This is all lorewise.
Also, for new races, if they were to make one, here's hoping terrans. |
Frozen Fallout
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Frozen Fallout on 21/01/2009 01:53:49
Originally by: Qordel
Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
My question is if they are not going to introduce a new race to New Eden then what the hell are the rats that we will be killing with this whole new AI in these worm holes? My guess is the new rats and story line arcs are going to be about a new race now if this will be playable or not is another question but adding new races in a space game will never be a problem. I am guessing star gates don't reach every system in EvE. I know they don't lead to any new Galaxies so there are an infinite amount of places to pull races from, from a writers point of view adding is always easier then taking away from an established story element. |
Spurty
Caldari
Technologic Dance
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 21/01/2009 02:02:46
#!/usr/bin/perl
@foren=("Civ","Det","Ach",
"Int","Gall","Jin",
"Ama","Ni","Khan",
"Brut","Seb","Vher");
@surn=("ire","eis","Ach",
"aki","ente","-Mei",
"rr","-kunni","id",
"or","iestor","okior");
$x=0;
foreach $first(@foren) {
foreach $last(@surn) {
$x++;
print "$x : $first$last\n";
}
}
exit 0;
Have a poll, pick 3!
(Ignore the existing ones turning up, its part of the sequence)
1 : Civire
2 : Civeis
3 : CivAch
4 : Civaki
5 : Civente
6 : Civ-Mei
7 : Civrr
8 : Civ-kunni
9 : Civid
10 : Civor
11 : Civiestor
12 : Civokior
13 : Detire
14 : Deteis
15 : DetAch
16 : Detaki
17 : Detente
18 : Det-Mei
19 : Detrr
20 : Det-kunni
21 : Detid
22 : Detor
23 : Detiestor
24 : Detokior
25 : Achire
26 : Acheis
27 : AchAch
28 : Achaki
29 : Achente
30 : Ach-Mei
31 : Achrr
32 : Ach-kunni
33 : Achid
34 : Achor
35 : Achiestor
36 : Achokior
37 : Intire
38 : Inteis
39 : IntAch
40 : Intaki
41 : Intente
42 : Int-Mei
43 : Intrr
44 : Int-kunni
45 : Intid
46 : Intor
47 : Intiestor
48 : Intokior
49 : Gallire
50 : Galleis
51 : GallAch
52 : Gallaki
53 : Gallente
54 : Gall-Mei
55 : Gallrr
56 : Gall-kunni
57 : Gallid
58 : Gallor
59 : Galliestor
60 : Gallokior
61 : Jinire
62 : Jineis
63 : JinAch
64 : Jinaki
65 : Jinente
66 : Jin-Mei
67 : Jinrr
68 : Jin-kunni
69 : Jinid
70 : Jinor
71 : Jiniestor
72 : Jinokior
73 : Amaire
74 : Amaeis
75 : AmaAch
76 : Amaaki
77 : Amaente
78 : Ama-Mei
79 : Amarr
80 : Ama-kunni
81 : Amaid
82 : Amaor
83 : Amaiestor
84 : Amaokior
85 : Niire
86 : Nieis
87 : NiAch
88 : Niaki
89 : Niente
90 : Ni-Mei
91 : Nirr
92 : Ni-kunni
93 : Niid
94 : Nior
95 : Niiestor
96 : Niokior
97 : Khanire
98 : Khaneis
99 : KhanAch
100 : Khanaki
101 : Khanente
102 : Khan-Mei
103 : Khanrr
104 : Khan-kunni
105 : Khanid
106 : Khanor
107 : Khaniestor
108 : Khanokior
109 : Brutire
110 : Bruteis
111 : BrutAch
112 : Brutaki
113 : Brutente
114 : Brut-Mei
115 : Brutrr
116 : Brut-kunni
117 : Brutid
118 : Brutor
119 : Brutiestor
120 : Brutokior
121 : Sebire
122 : Sebeis
123 : SebAch
124 : Sebaki
125 : Sebente
126 : Seb-Mei
127 : Sebrr
128 : Seb-kunni
129 : Sebid
130 : Sebor
131 : Sebiestor
132 : Sebokior
133 : Vherire
134 : Vhereis
135 : VherAch
136 : Vheraki
137 : Vherente
138 : Vher-Mei
139 : Vherrr
140 : Vher-kunni
141 : Vherid
142 : Vheror
143 : Vheriestor
144 : Vherokior
BrRAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiNNNNNNZzzzzzzzzzzz |
Spurty
Caldari
Technologic Dance
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Posted - 2009.01.21 02:00:00 -
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Yes, I know that some of these combinations are male+male and female+female, its sci-fi, anything can happen! 
BrRAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiNNNNNNZzzzzzzzzzzz |
Sythyss
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2009.01.21 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Master Zeuth
Originally by: Qordel
Those are merely bloodlines. Not exactly the same as "oh, hey look at this fifth race over here!".
Bloodlines are races? Or am I wrong here? These different races fight for the same faction? Yes?
wow....lol
bloodlines are NOT races. get your facts straight
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Heyte
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Posted - 2009.01.21 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Heyte on 21/01/2009 08:45:20
Well, terran are male/female. They're ordinary humans from earth. Earth would be on scale with jovians or perhaps more godly.
Or perhaps dystopic and corporate, if the peaceful originally new eden never allowed a head start for these humans.
Or... maybe they'll be like the ladder with the addition of being akin to those turkish/chinese/english humans from south park (the ones that came from the future). |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.21 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Master Zeuth
Curious on what the chances are of new playable races(no not jovians either)? And if so a time frame? 6 months/1 year/decade?
Absolutely unlikely. Chances are zero.
And why would we want new races anyway? How would they fit into the storyline? And how would they fit into the industry? What role would they fill?
Making a new race makes no sense, is immense work and has no benefits at all.
If there would be expansions regarding races then they might come with more a couple more bloodlines. For example would it be not unreasonable to introduce shady (piratebased) bloodlines for each of the races. |
Heyte
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Posted - 2009.01.21 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Heyte on 21/01/2009 08:50:51
Making a new race is a matter of -
1. New models.
2. New textures.
3. New attribute and skill mash up and new numbers to accomodate art.
4. New 2d art.
That's it.
Adding new features like wormholes to eve is a matter of:
1. New method.
2. New models.
3. New textures.
4. New gameplay elements, new environment spawn points, new background art.
So really what ccp decides to add is just a matter of what they decide to add. Not what's easier. Did anyone ask for wormholes prior to this? I'm pretty sure ccp just said at an executive meeting at one point, "Let's add wormholes, that'd be cool. Oh, we'll throw in a bunch of new elements. Represent a new point to work on. Notify the public in, from this schedule... 2 months time, once we're well into it and there's no going back."
Democracy only thins the chaos to something 'manageable'. Inevitably, there's still chaos in what occurs. Chaos always prevails.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 08:53:00 -
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As long as they're not aliens 
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Quark Zulu
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:19:00 -
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Devblog by Oveur November 3.
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Frankly, having such huge things like Walking in Stations, player housing, new races, planetary interaction, new environments, professions, new tech levels, and improving all the current functionality with an infinite universe in which to design, weære having difficulties putting them all in.
Apocrypha meaning being hidden away. My bet is that the Jovian¦s are coming to a PC near you on March 10.
Cheers
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
The same way that you magically write in worm holes through out space that no one else has ever seen before. |
Darwin Duck
A Quest Millitia
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:33:00 -
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Bio ships (living ships like Moya from farscape :) |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Heyte
Making a new race is a matter of -
1. New models.
2. New textures.
3. New attribute and skill mash up and new numbers to accomodate art.
4. New 2d art.
That's it.
What about ...
5. new sensor type (each race has their own sensor strength)
6. new weapon type (each race has their main weapon type like laser, projectiles, blasters/drones, missiles)
7. huge amount of balancing (ccp has already a hell of a job to balance all the existing races, imagine a complete new race now)
8. new industry (each race has their specific industry with tons of blueprints)
9. new ores/moons (each race have their own moon types for building t2, eg. minmatar is scandium based, each race have their own isotopes for pos/jump drives)
10. new in-game lore (which bloodlines, corps, stations belong to this new race? how do they look like etc.)
Alone the points 1,2,4 would mean that ccp would need to invest 20% of the amount of artwork they did for trinity expansion + upcomming apocryphia expansion into a new race. And that is only art! The gameplay is much more a problem and more difficult and would need longer time.
And what for?
For nothing at all, a new race would make no sense at all. We don't need it.
I would like to see all that time for a new race spent on bugfixes instead and really cool graphics - like a new background based on fractals and procedurally generated. A new background affects 99.9% of the players (those 0.1% never leave station ever )! A new race is just absurd nonsense. |
Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.21 11:15:00 -
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Hm, it would be more possible to open up one of the existing factions and add new races for that faction for the players to play.
Factions like Syndicate, Thukkers, Sansha's Nation and The Society of Conscious Thought are possible factions were not-yet-playable races could be integrated. |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.01.21 11:56:00 -
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I'd be surprised to see a new playable race. As has been mentioned before, there is too much to take into account considering all the design aspects and balancing between the four existing factions.
However, new races as part of existing factions are possible, but I think this would be unlikely, as there are three apiece now anyway.
I think the most likely possibility is the introduction of the Jovians, but not as a playable race. Their ships will probably be introduced as NPCs, but their technology will influence the tech 3 stuff.
I response to a previous poster, I can't see why there can't be aliens in the game anywhere, but they would have to fit the universe. No crappy 'cornish pasty stapled to the forehead' humanoid aliens would be allowed. This game doesn't need to adhere to the limitations of television budgets. If you're going to have aliens, make them truly alien, like floating bags of gas with cillia instead of limbs. Anyway, wouldn't the original humans be more like aliens by EVE's timeline, having thousands of years of unfettered development?
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Taylor timenenzi
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Posted - 2009.01.21 11:59:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Heyte
Edited by: Heyte on 21/01/2009 01:41:43
Originally by: Master Zeuth
Originally by: Qordel
Those are merely bloodlines. Not exactly the same as "oh, hey look at this fifth race over here!".
Bloodlines are races? Or am I wrong here? These different races fight for the same faction? Yes?
His point is, the bloodlines just sprang out of nowhere. They suddenly moved from their planets into space immediately, rather then gradually. This is all lorewise.
Also, for new races, if they were to make one, here's hoping terrans.
I was thinking that. The eve wormhole suddenly opens up and BAM earthincans are running rampent.
To the rest screaming NO CHANCE 0% CHANCE. Well when did you start deciding on what CCP will do? If you know can I get the match six this past year ive lost about 200k from the economy dropping into the ****ter.
To the other side that are all like "OMG they need new wepons and blah blah ****ing blah blah blah"
If they went with reintroducing earth (and when they did that they could easily just add 3000-5000 systems over on the other side of the wormhole) they use a mix of exsisting techs. It is pretty much where the EVE races would tech would of sprang from.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.01.21 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
I was thinking that.
No you weren't. 
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
To the rest screaming NO CHANCE 0% CHANCE. Well when did you start deciding on what CCP will do? If you know can I get the match six this past year ive lost about 200k from the economy dropping into the ****ter.
The match six whattum? please explain.
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
To the other side that are all like "OMG they need new wepons and blah blah ****ing blah blah blah"
You really make a good point here. Helps us all a lot further, especially the blah part.
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
If they went with reintroducing earth (and when they did that they could easily just add 3000-5000 systems over on the other side of the wormhole) they use a mix of exsisting techs. It is pretty much where the EVE races would tech would of sprang from.
Easily?  3000-5000 new systems, on what cluster?
Secondly, the tech in EVE is afaik build nearly from scratch, after the great downfall.
Quote:
Thousands of small colonies were left in complete isolation to fend for themselves, cut off from the old world. For millennia they endured, clinging to the brink of extinction, and only a handful managed to survive.
They probably went down to what we call the middle ages, then slowly climbed up. Using new resources to create new technologies not seen on Earth before.
Even if CCP would introduce Sol system back, or Terrans for that matter, we would have developed in complete different directions. Just look at the Jove.
Originally by: AkRoYeR
...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die!
Best game ever!
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Taylor timenenzi
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Posted - 2009.01.21 12:54:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Taylor timenenzi on 21/01/2009 12:56:09
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
I was thinking that.
No you weren't.
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
To the rest screaming NO CHANCE 0% CHANCE. Well when did you start deciding on what CCP will do? If you know can I get the match six this past year ive lost about 200k from the economy dropping into the ****ter.
The match six whattum? please explain.
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
To the other side that are all like "OMG they need new wepons and blah blah ****ing blah blah blah"
You really make a good point here. Helps us all a lot further, especially the blah part.
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
If they went with reintroducing earth (and when they did that they could easily just add 3000-5000 systems over on the other side of the wormhole) they use a mix of exsisting techs. It is pretty much where the EVE races would tech would of sprang from.
Easily? 3000-5000 new systems, on what cluster?
Secondly, the tech in EVE is afaik build nearly from scratch, after the great downfall.
Quote:
Thousands of small colonies were left in complete isolation to fend for themselves, cut off from the old world. For millennia they endured, clinging to the brink of extinction, and only a handful managed to survive.
They probably went down to what we call the middle ages, then slowly climbed up. Using new resources to create new technologies not seen on Earth before.
Even if CCP would introduce Sol system back, or Terrans for that matter, we would have developed in complete different directions. Just look at the Jove.
Yes I was actualy thinking about something like bringing terrans into eve.
Match six = lottoery
Blah blah blah the point is why does it have to be all new? Just because you say it has to be?
Okay easily was the wrong word but it could be a way to add a large new expanse of space in the future.
So they threw all that old earth tech away and started from scratch right?
"screw this stuff from earth we will just go back to banging two rocks together to make simple tools and start from there. We will also never even if we invent it ourselves use something similiar to what came from earth"
Like that? And why just because YOU think so?
A few years ago if I was to say that CCP would make walking in stations there would be your type saying NO NANANANANA NO because I SAY SO it cant happen.
Joves ended up that way because of genetic engineering. Whose to say earth didnt end up like the caldari, or the amarr a religious freak show? Maybe like some sissy peace loving gallente? Again why because you dont think its allowed?
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Saju Somtaaw
Gallente
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:22:00 -
[39]
Taylor-they didn't throw it out, it was lost over the course of a few thousand years. IIRC were about TWENTY-SIX THOUSAND years after the eve wormhole collapsed. |
Il Morte
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:24:00 -
[40]
I think the op wants to play the borg |
Ottersmacker
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:38:00 -
[41]
So.. little green force sensitive men and women with 1 charisma will emerge on M10? |
LordSwift
Unus Somnium Inc
StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:43:00 -
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Why would we ever need any new races. We already have 5 races out of which 4 are playable. Never want Jove to become playable, They are backstory race only. |
Gierling
Gallente
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.23 16:01:00 -
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Ovuer MEntioned new Races in one of his latest dev blogs.
Its certainly doable and if you think about it it could add a lot to the game.
Really the hardest part would be playbalancing the new ships, actually creating the models and textures is something they have the art staff to do (remember they remodeled every ship in the game a year and a half ago and that didn't take them more then a couple months).
As far as introducing them, the Eve Map is NOT static they can add systems, clusters and regions anywhere they want.
The best way imho would be just to add 2 new races at the far end of 0.0 (probably below Feythabolis), so you'd have 2 "Empire areas" seperated by 0.0. That would certainly make trade more interesting.
As far as weapons/sensors new sensor types are easy as are weapon types. However I think that new damage types are required, the only racial pairings that aren't used right now would be EM/Kinetic (Particle beams mayhaps?) and EM/Explosive (this would be the God Weapon) |
Warpfactor 9
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Posted - 2009.01.24 03:34:00 -
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I would think that in order to have balance, that would be a problem. Two on two, or one on one (Caldari/Amarr and Galente/Minmatar) makes for even play, and goes with the backstory.
I don't think we need more races, I just think we need to make sure there is a case to join any race, and that one race not be much superior to any of the others. If all four races had as close to 25% players as possible, that would be ideal, especially if Faction Warfare continues to evolve for the better.
A fifth race would upset the balance even more than it is now. |
Daelorn
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.24 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Heyte
Edited by: Heyte on 21/01/2009 08:45:20
Well, terran are male/female. They're ordinary humans from earth. Earth would be on scale with jovians or perhaps more godly.
Or perhaps dystopic and corporate, if the peaceful originally new eden never allowed a head start for these humans.
Or... maybe they'll be like the ladder with the addition of being akin to those turkish/chinese/english humans from south park (the ones that came from the future).
My theory is that the worm hole that lead to new eden also sent the travelers forward in time. But it didn't send them to a distant part of space. I vote the earth is in Jovian space and the Jovians are descendants of humans.
HOWS THAT SOUND?! |
Jove X
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2009.01.24 04:03:00 -
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Does someone need to point out that we don't need more races?
.. the ones we have now don't get along ... |
Opertone
Caldari
Gladiators of Rage
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 04:06:00 -
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we need to boost caldari and nerf achura face
achura must be treated, so that their portrait isn't pitiful |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.24 04:52:00 -
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Seeing what a monumental fiasco the asian bloodlines were it's nothing I'm hoping for. They haven't even managed to bring in the achura in line with the rest yet and that ain't brain surgery, now imagine 4 more.
Delenda est achura. |
Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.01.24 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
Edited by: Qordel on 20/01/2009 23:43:48
Exactly how would you write a new race into EVE that just magically appears after all of the established back story at this point?
Same way we got there? |
Master Han
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2009.01.24 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
What about ...
5. new sensor type (each race has their own sensor strength)
6. new weapon type (each race has their main weapon type like laser, projectiles, blasters/drones, missiles)
7. huge amount of balancing (ccp has already a hell of a job to balance all the existing races, imagine a complete new race now)
8. new industry (each race has their specific industry with tons of blueprints)
9. new ores/moons (each race have their own moon types for building t2, eg. minmatar is scandium based, each race have their own isotopes for pos/jump drives)
10. new in-game lore (which bloodlines, corps, stations belong to this new race? how do they look like etc.)
Well the last upgrade coincided with a WoW patch, so maybe they are trying to attract players from there. So the new race would be the Imbued. They have 3 bloodlines: Orc, Elf, and Dwarf.
5. Sensor Type: Magical
6. Weapons: fireball for range and Burning Hands for up close work
7. Balancing: no need to balance as Magic sensors will be immune to ECM, ending all ECM nerf whines.
8. Industry: potions and spell components for magic weapons
9. New ores/moons: ores - adamantium and mithril, moons: blue cheese and mana
10. New Ingame Lore: put the WoD team to work on this one
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This is not the alt your looking for... |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.24 06:03:00 -
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Drones should be the 6th race as an artificial stupid life form. |
Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.01.24 06:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dreamwalker on 24/01/2009 06:41:24
Originally by: Master Zeuth
Curious on what the chances are of new playable races(no not jovians either)? And if so a time frame? 6 months/1 year/decade?
You want elves in space?
Or is it just orcs?
And no please no new race, it just isn't needed.
*edit* I would like to see players able to sign up and permittedly join the pirate factions. But this would need to be new chars.
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Katy Karkinoff
Minmatar
Psycho Chicks
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Posted - 2009.01.24 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Master Han
Originally by: Gnulpie
What about ...
5. new sensor type (each race has their own sensor strength)
6. new weapon type (each race has their main weapon type like laser, projectiles, blasters/drones, missiles)
7. huge amount of balancing (ccp has already a hell of a job to balance all the existing races, imagine a complete new race now)
8. new industry (each race has their specific industry with tons of blueprints)
9. new ores/moons (each race have their own moon types for building t2, eg. minmatar is scandium based, each race have their own isotopes for pos/jump drives)
10. new in-game lore (which bloodlines, corps, stations belong to this new race? how do they look like etc.)
Well the last upgrade coincided with a WoW patch, so maybe they are trying to attract players from there. So the new race would be the Imbued. They have 3 bloodlines: Orc, Elf, and Dwarf.
5. Sensor Type: Magical
6. Weapons: fireball for range and Burning Hands for up close work
7. Balancing: no need to balance as Magic sensors will be immune to ECM, ending all ECM nerf whines.
8. Industry: potions and spell components for magic weapons
9. New ores/moons: ores - adamantium and mithril, moons: blue cheese and mana
10. New Ingame Lore: put the WoD team to work on this one
oh god i peed.
Also, some said it above but: Jove is soley a backstory race. How can you expect Jove to become playable when they are described as the super race that nearly turned themselves into gods (granted the ****ed up, but they are still superior to other races intelligence wise) and not to mention that all of their ships are indestructible. "Hey you guys! We just totally **** on all of our ships to make them suck like yours so we can be together more often! Woopee!" Anyways, no. If they make Jove playable them something in eve has gone horrendously wrong.
God i feel repetitive with all the other posters...:We dont need it, and its wasted effort. If anything it will disproportion any semblance of balance that we have. Focus should be on fixing things that aren't working properly (b-ops...) and while i hope for the best, i'm sure t3 will need some serious work.
If we really do want something shocking the whole separate high sec/empire region could be cool. Perhaps a 0.0 barrier between it would be stupid though cuz you know some morons are just gonna bubble camp it 23/7. Perhaps after the said new region discovery the factions can like feud over it. Hell, give some space for expansion of that FW thing(which needs rewards tbfh).
Look how good i am getting off topic ^^ |
ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.24 10:15:00 -
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the new race will be Tyranids. i saw it on youtube.
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Toshiro Khan
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.24 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
Yes I was actualy thinking about something like bringing terrans into eve.
Match six = lottoery
Blah blah blah the point is why does it have to be all new? Just because you say it has to be?
Okay easily was the wrong word but it could be a way to add a large new expanse of space in the future.
So they threw all that old earth tech away and started from scratch right?
"screw this stuff from earth we will just go back to banging two rocks together to make simple tools and start from there. We will also never even if we invent it ourselves use something similiar to what came from earth"
Like that? And why just because YOU think so?
You should read the back story..
It wasn't a case of people just throwing away the tech that they had at the time.
The whole Eve story starts really starts around 8061AD when the Eve gate closes.. The there is an 8 to 12 thousand year jump in each races time line.. Its during that time that the so called dark age happened, when and was when the technology of the time was dis-guarded. You have to remember that, there is no access to new parts for the tech, so as things break they get thrown away and so on.
Not all the tech of the was lost.. For example, the Minmatar started to use ancient star gates to colonies other systems.
But there was a point when technology growth in eve stopped and everything reverted to a time before space travel.
As for Earth, for most people in eve.. They would have never heard of Earth, it would be a fairy tale at best.. But if the Terrens was still around, their tech level would be a good 10 to 20 thousand years more advanced the whats in eve.
This is providing that they didn't wipe themselves out at some point.
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
A few years ago if I was to say that CCP would make walking in stations there would be your type saying NO NANANANANA NO because I SAY SO it cant happen.
Erm.... those who was about in beta wouldn't have said that.. As it was something that was often spoken about on the beta forums as one of the plans for eve.
So if a few years ago you had said about WiS, people would have said "I can't wait for that to happen, as it was promised ages ago.."
Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
Joves ended up that way because of genetic engineering. Whose to say earth didnt end up like the caldari, or the amarr a religious freak show? Maybe like some sissy peace loving gallente? Again why because you dont think its allowed?
Who is to say they even exist any more?
The solar system was already becoming over populated.. Thus the eve gate discovery was a blessing as it allowed for some expansion and to give folks some elbow room, so to speak.
And I wouldn't say the Gallente was peace loving sissies... After all the conquered Caldari Prime, when the Amarrian discovered the Gallente. They didn't invade, like they did with the Matari as the see the Gallente military force equal in strength to their own. And any race that executes its traitors in such a brutal and messy way in public, just kinda falls outside of the sissy area.
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Darwin Duck
A Quest Millitia
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Posted - 2009.01.24 12:07:00 -
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March 10th patch will deliver 2 new playable races.
Scarrans and Sebaceans 
Some of you will get it, others will think "WTH is this dufus talking about"  |
Toshiro Khan
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.24 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin Duck
March 10th patch will deliver 2 new playable races.
Scarrans and Sebaceans
Some of you will get it, others will think "WTH is this dufus talking about"
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2009.01.24 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 24/01/2009 12:51:01
Originally by: Heyte
Making a new race is a matter of -
1. New models.
2. New textures.
3. New attribute and skill mash up and new numbers to accomodate art.
4. New 2d art.
That's it.
Are you assuming that this new race would use all of the existing race's ships and modules? You're talking entire new weapon systems and new ships for every single class and tier, all of which has to be somehow balanced before release of a fifth playable race. And that's not even mentioning the need for a whole slew of new star systems for this race to inhabit and storyline about how they were discovered. You're literally talking about making another 25% of most of the content in EVE, it's just not feasible.
What I think you're thinking of is a bloodline, and as the bloodline patch proved each of those points you listed (particularly the first two) are much more time consuming than you imagine.
EDIT: Oh people beat me to it. That's what I get for not reading the whole thread ^^;
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