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Viciously anonymus	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:52:00 - [1] I am wondering, before it was nano's that struck fear. Now every time, its a falcon with its perma jam features and his big ship boosters. Do you think falcon is to powerful? Will it be the next nerf? the Falcon or similar ships could use a slight nerf. but the best way imo is that CCP could boost the ECCM modules instead discuss
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:54:00 - [2] Hi
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:54:00 - [3] no keep falcons as i can kill them =) i like it that they think they can just jam me :)
Takon Orlani Caldari Rowdy Ramblers	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:54:00 - [4] ECCM > Falcon
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:56:00 - [5] Bah, try flying a falcon and think that you are uber. I will make a nice pod on your screen.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.21 14:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Takon Orlani ECCM > Falcon exactly the onl,y thing i would gripe at them is there range but when you role in a sniper apoc , it doesnt matter un skilled sit at 150 which is my opitimal =)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:04:00 - [7] Falcons are fine salvagers as they are, no need to change that.

Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/01/2009 15:29:10 Falcons are only uber if you didn't bother to bring your own or didn't bother to come up with a solution for them. Therefore they're not uber at all, just very useful.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:45:00 - [9] ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:52:00 - [10] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 21/01/2009 15:52:49 I fit anti ecm if going to any big fight nowadays anyway. How many other tactics in the game are so effective that you go out fit specifically to make sure you can defend against just that one if anything, provided it ever comes up? Screw the falcon.

Bo Bojangles Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Confuzer Bah, try flying a falcon and think that you are uber. I will make a nice pod on your screen. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 21/01/2009 15:52:49 I fit anti ecm if going to any big fight nowadays anyway. How many other tactics in the game are so effective that you go out fit specifically to make sure you can defend against just that one if anything, provided it ever comes up? Screw the falcon. Sounds just like the old nano vaga whine threads! It must be imba!!
The Vixen	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Khemul Zula Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. I lolled.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:01:00 - [13] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 21/01/2009 15:52:49 I fit anti ecm if going to any big fight nowadays anyway. How many other tactics in the game are so effective that you go out fit specifically to make sure you can defend against just that one if anything, provided it ever comes up? Screw the falcon. I fit anti-dps modules by fitting a tank on my ship. How many other tactics in the game are so effective that you go out fit specifically to make sure you can defend against just that one if anything, provided it ever comes up? Screw stupid analogies.
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/01/2009 15:29:10 Falcons are only uber if you didn't bother to bring your own or didn't bother to come up with a solution for them. Therefore they're not uber at all, just very useful. Hmm, this was the exact theory pounded home to all the nano pilots. You couldn't fight nano's unless you brought your own, or knew that tactics to defeat them..... Now we have HUGE gates, slow ships, and basically this argument was shot to ****. Also, ECCM work about 1/4 as much as the ECM does. Thats a bit skewed. Also the bring your own argument is pretty damn stupid, I've seen Kb's that had 9 falcons and 2 kitsunes with jams on a single ship (the guys with the falcons actually lost, since they all jammed the same guy ). The point is, if people are bringing that many falcons to a fight, on a general basis, something may need to be tweaked, either ECCM, or ECM ( i would preffer ECCM be made better, but w/e)
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Murina on 21/01/2009 18:05:35 Originally by: Viciously anonymus Do you think falcon is to powerful? Nope, ppl just need to fit eccm on the right ships. Originally by: Viciously anonymus Will it be the next nerf? I doubt it.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:05:00 - [16] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 21/01/2009 18:06:00 Originally by: Bo Bojangles Sounds just like the old nano vaga whine threads! It must be imba!! Oh, you mean the Vaga that was part of the obviously ridiculous problem in the speed and inertia levels we had a while ago? That CCP said themselves were breaking the ingame combat mechanics AND did rebalance as soon as they got around to it? I see your point
Soi Mala	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:11:00 - [17] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 21/01/2009 15:52:49 I fit anti ecm if going to any big fight nowadays anyway. How many other tactics in the game are so effective that you go out fit specifically to make sure you can defend against just that one if anything, provided it ever comes up? Screw the falcon. I fit anti-dampening modules by fitting a sensor booster on my ship. Sometimes, I fit anti-disrupting modules by fitting a tracking enhancer/computer on my ship. Also, I fit Anti-web modules by fitting speed related modules on my ship. I have also been known to dabble with cap injection.
Clever Drake Minmatar Apeshit Assassins	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 21/01/2009 18:05:35 Originally by: Viciously anonymus Do you think falcon is to powerful? Nope, ppl just need to fit eccm on the right ships. So what is considered the right ships?
xXxSatsujinxXx Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Sebea The point is, if people are bringing that many falcons to a fight, on a general basis, something may need to be tweaked, either ECCM, or ECM So popularity is the basis for what should be nerfed? By that reasoning, we should nerf snipers too, i see hundreds of them on killmails. They must be overpowered. Oh, and interceptors too. They always stop me from warping! The only way to combat it is to fit a module that doesn't help me gank or tank. WAH!
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:21:00 - [20] Don't have a problem with the jamming capabilities of Falcons, but the range is ridiculous for a cruiser sized ship. No other force recon gets that range and safety. _______________

Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Clever Drake Originally by: Murina Originally by: Viciously anonymus Do you think falcon is to powerful? Nope, ppl just need to fit eccm on the right ships. So what is considered the right ships? Any ship with the ability to hit at sniper range, BS, BC, CS even the eagle has a good base sig str that can benefit very much from a single ECCM unit and make it very difficult to jam even by a perfectly skilled racial fitted ewar ship. The problem is not ecm the problem is ppl wanting their unimaginative close range tank/gank setups to have no true opposition outside their preferred ranges. Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits Originally by: Amira Shadowsong The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:25:00 - [22] Next nerf will be for pulses and beams.
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Clever Drake Originally by: Murina Originally by: Viciously anonymus Do you think falcon is to powerful? Nope, ppl just need to fit eccm on the right ships. So what is considered the right ships? Any ship with the ability to hit at sniper range, BS, BC, CS even the eagle has a good base sig str that can benefit very much from a single ECCM unit and make it very difficult to jam even by a perfectly skilled racial fitted ewar ship. The problem is not ecm the problem is ppl wanting their unimaginative close range tank/gank setups to have no true opposition outside their preferred ranges. Doesn't change the fact that the range isn't balanced with the other recons _______________
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Murina on 21/01/2009 18:32:16 Originally by: Ione Hunt Doesn't change the fact that the range isn't balanced with the other recons That is cos the ECM effect is chance based while the others effects work 100% guaranteed within their ranges. Wanna give ECM a 100% chance to jam while reducing its range?...you will certainly kill falcons although every close range ship with a mid slot will be fitting ECM. Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits Originally by: Amira Shadowsong The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Ione Hunt Doesn't change the fact that the range isn't balanced with the other recons That is cos ECM is chance based while the others work 100% guaranteed within their ranges. Really? Let's see, a Rapier can realistically not use it's main weapons against more than 2 opponents at the same time. If a Falcon also only focuses on 2 targets, how high would you rate it's chances of success in jamming those 2 targets? Low enough to justify more than triple the range? _______________
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:38:00 - [26] Edited by: Murina on 21/01/2009 18:45:14 Originally by: Ione Hunt Really? Let's see, a Rapier can realistically not use it's main weapons against more than 2 opponents at the same time. Ok you need to be more specific as ALL the other recons apart from the falcon have TWO ewar systems......... Originally by: Ione Hunt If a Falcon also only focuses on 2 targets, how high would you rate it's chances of success in jamming those 2 targets? That depends on the targets, the fittings and what type of racial jammers the falcon has, while the other recons ewar systems work perfectly without the need for racial modules apart from one (TD'S) that works on 3. Originally by: Ione Hunt Low enough to justify more than triple the range? Yes. Its a trade off for not being great at solo work like the other recons are. PS: Also all the other ewar systems are very effective on non bonused ships, while ECM units are virtually worthless.
chrisss0r	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Ione Hunt Originally by: Murina Originally by: Ione Hunt Doesn't change the fact that the range isn't balanced with the other recons That is cos ECM is chance based while the others work 100% guaranteed within their ranges. Really? Let's see, a Rapier can realistically not use it's main weapons against more than 2 opponents at the same time. If a Falcon also only focuses on 2 targets, how high would you rate it's chances of success in jamming those 2 targets? Low enough to justify more than triple the range? that has been solved here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=974928 Also check out liliths jamming simulator: http://uploaded.to/?id=ko8wo0
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:29:00 - [28] OH HEY IT'S A NANO-NERF WHINE THREAD!
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:30:00 - [29] oh **** no it isn't. 1 year too late, sherlock


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