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yani dumyat	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:10:00 - [1] I'm getting kinda sick of hearing that caldari suck for pvp when in reality they don't, i think this myth exists because the raven is a pve ship and until the rokh came along they had nothing to rival the mega or tempest but i'd happily take on a jag in a hawk or a harbinger in a drake. Few caldari pilots have the skills for a blaster moa or eagle so until the onxy came along the missile users had no cruiser to brawl in at 10km but that is no longer the case. The advent of the HAM cerb has changed things too because you can get crazy dps out of them. Caldari are often piloted badly too, the killboards are full of caldari carrying only kinetic missiles despite the fact that kinetic is one of the worst dmg types in most situations, though thankfully no race is idiot proof Also, passive tanks rock Anyway, caldari used to suck but not any more - discuss <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> If in doubt then all is good If not in doubt then ask yourself harder questions
Rifter Drifter Minmatar You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:10:00 - [2] Okay.
nakKEDK Gallente Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:55:00 - [3] Moa suck. try using it and you will realize
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:01:00 - [4] Right conclusion, wrong reasons. For example: Hawk is awful. HAM Cerb does not have "crazy DPS" and is inferior to HAM Drake. In general, kinetic is the best damage type to use against T1 ships. Passive (-regen) tanks are pure refined fail.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:06:00 - [5] yes caldari sucks at pvp, keep them ships pve-only and not dying so they stay cheap.
Kakuremichi	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:07:00 - [6] Most caldari pilots suck at pvp, ships are a mixed bag much like the other races as far as I have found.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Gypsio III Passive (-regen) tanks are pure refined fail. I dunno... For ****s-and-giggles myself and a buddy went roaming in 0.0 (fully expecting to die and not worried about it). We were both using ALTs and his could manage a Drake with only marginal skills. I was lucky to fit in a Rifter (that ALT has less than 1 mil SP). A Vagabond jumped us and of course owned the Rifter in a blink. The Drake held him off without much trouble. Both ships were taking damage but the Vaga was losing faster. Unfortunately the Drake pilot had no tackle gear (no skills to even fit it with that ALT) so the Vaga easily disengaged and ran away. He refit and came back for a second go and still could not beat the Drake tank while it slowly pounded on him. Add in a passive regen ship is pretty much immune to the much vaunted Curse and they will avoid it like the plague. Not saying they are the be-all, end-all thing out there but they can have their place. Cerb is also a good Curse killer.
Compendium	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:13:00 - [8] Caldari doesn't suck. Amarr and Gallente ships are just overpowered.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Gypsio III Passive (-regen) tanks are pure refined fail. I dunno... For ****s-and-giggles myself and a buddy went roaming in 0.0 (fully expecting to die and not worried about it). We were both using ALTs and his could manage a Drake with only marginal skills. I was lucky to fit in a Rifter (that ALT has less than 1 mil SP). A Vagabond jumped us and of course owned the Rifter in a blink. The Drake held him off without much trouble. Both ships were taking damage but the Vaga was losing faster. Unfortunately the Drake pilot had no tackle gear (no skills to even fit it with that ALT) so the Vaga easily disengaged and ran away. He refit and came back for a second go and still could not beat the Drake tank while it slowly pounded on him. Add in a passive regen ship is pretty much immune to the much vaunted Curse and they will avoid it like the plague. Not saying they are the be-all, end-all thing out there but they can have their place. Cerb is also a good Curse killer. So.. your counter argument to a passive regen tank being a complete failure, was a story about how a passive regen tank was a complete failure? Here's a hint. Surviving the fight whilst all your buddies die and getting no kills, is not a victory.
Fifi LeFume No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:14:00 - [10] Blaster moa's can be winsauce. Siege raven is a blaster mega without ****ty range or tracking issues. drake is one of the best pvp bc's out there. OMGWTFLOL Falcon. The only bad caldari pvp ships are hawk and raptor. Range ships are more viable since the speed nerf (sniper cerb/eagle) though they have to be supported by other ships (usually tackle) Caldari have a very powerful line of pvp ships. Now gallente on the other hand.....
Poast Warrior Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:14:00 - [11] Vaga's don't kill Drakes, unless the Drake pilot is doing something very, very wrong.
Fifi LeFume No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Poast Warrior Vaga's don't kill Drakes, unless the Drake pilot is doing something very, very wrong. Like doing the vaga pilot's mother
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:19:00 - [13] Caldari don't suck for PvP, although they do suck at solo PvP. There's a few exceptions, but mostly... well, yeah. The reason they have this reputation though, is the learning curve - it's far easier to 'learn PVP' in a rupture, thorax or vexor than it is in a Caracal. Also, whilst they're great if you plan your gang properly, they're not so good at the kind of gang PvP that involves slapping together a bunch of ships with a MWD web and point. So mostly, yes. They are piloted badly, because the experience needed to get good at PvP in general, comes harder to Caldari pilots. The other reason is that PVE fits for Caldari are complete different to PvP. This isn't so much the case for other races.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Gypsio III Passive (-regen) tanks are pure refined fail. I dunno... For ****s-and-giggles myself and a buddy went roaming in 0.0 (fully expecting to die and not worried about it). We were both using ALTs and his could manage a Drake with only marginal skills. I was lucky to fit in a Rifter (that ALT has less than 1 mil SP). A Vagabond jumped us and of course owned the Rifter in a blink. The Drake held him off without much trouble. Both ships were taking damage but the Vaga was losing faster. Unfortunately the Drake pilot had no tackle gear (no skills to even fit it with that ALT) so the Vaga easily disengaged and ran away. He refit and came back for a second go and still could not beat the Drake tank while it slowly pounded on him. Add in a passive regen ship is pretty much immune to the much vaunted Curse and they will avoid it like the plague. Not saying they are the be-all, end-all thing out there but they can have their place. What place? Your passive failDrakes achieved nothing here - the only thing that kept you alive was the absence of support for the Vaga nearby. Passive-regen tanking is simply too slot- and cap-intensive. Had you had a proper Drake fit, you might have been able to kill the Vaga - and if not, then you'd have driven it away more quickly because your lowslots weren't full of shield power failays. And passive failDrakes are more vulnerable to the Curse - because they've already gimped their cap regen so hardeners are more difficult to run.
Compendium	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:26:00 - [15] Edited by: Compendium on 21/01/2009 19:27:04 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h What place? Your passive failDrakes achieved nothing here - the only thing that kept you alive was the absence of support for the Vaga nearby. Passive-regen tanking is simply too slot- and cap-intensive. Had you had a proper Drake fit, you might have been able to kill the Vaga - and if not, then you'd have driven it away more quickly because your lowslots weren't full of shield power failays. And passive failDrakes are more vulnerable to the Curse - because they've already gimped their cap regen so hardeners are more difficult to run. To be honest, you could get the same dps tank active-tanking on the drake while getting over 2x the dps.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Compendium Edited by: Compendium on 21/01/2009 19:27:32 Originally by: Gypsio III What place? Your passive failDrakes achieved nothing here - the only thing that kept you alive was the absence of support for the Vaga nearby. Passive-regen tanking is simply too slot- and cap-intensive. Had you had a proper Drake fit, you might have been able to kill the Vaga - and if not, then you'd have driven it away more quickly because your lowslots weren't full of shield power failays. And passive failDrakes are more vulnerable to the Curse - because they've already gimped their cap regen so hardeners are more difficult to run. To be honest, you could get the same dps tank active-tanking on the drake while getting over 2x the dps. Or gank fit the drake, get 3x the DPS and enough shield buffer and regen to outlast the vaga by a large margin.
Groknor	Posted - 2009.01.21 19:53:00 - [17] If I had to say a race that sucks at pvp I'd say Gallente. At least Minmitar ged great damage type range and falloff, gallente get stupid guns and stupid...everything
Compendium	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Groknor If I had to say a race that sucks at pvp I'd say Gallente. At least Minmitar ged great damage type range and falloff, gallente get stupid guns and stupid...everything You call 1.2k DPS on a plated Megathron who can tackle stupid? You call 900 DPS nano-Ishtar stupid? Dominix is still one of the best ships in the game due to the incredible tank, DPS, and versatility it can get.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:41:00 - [19] Good Caldari PvP Ships - Harpy - Drake - Falcon - Onyx - Blackbird - Sniper Rokh - Griffin Decent Caldari PvP Ships Scorpion (cheap) Crow Nighthawk (for gang boost purposes) Blokh The rest are all pretty mweh for PvP
Groknor	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:44:00 - [20] You named 3 ships. The other races gave more ships that are acually useful than gallente.
M'ing Pai The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Groknor You named 3 ships. The other races gave more ships that are acually useful than gallente. Ishkur Deimos Thorax Vexor Myrmidon Brutix Phobos Arazu Incursus (yeah, a T1 frig, but great for beginner solo pirates, probably comparable in effectiveness to a rifter) Ranis I could go on, but the above list is full of PvP ships that are either decent solo ships or great at their role.
Barsexual Castle Greyskull	Posted - 2009.01.21 20:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Compendium Originally by: Groknor If I had to say a race that sucks at pvp I'd say Gallente. At least Minmitar ged great damage type range and falloff, gallente get stupid guns and stupid...everything You call 1.2k DPS on a plated Megathron who can tackle stupid? You call 900 DPS nano-Ishtar stupid? Dominix is still one of the best ships in the game due to the incredible tank, DPS, and versatility it can get. Can I see a 900 dps nano-ishtar setup?
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:06:00 - [23] The best Caldari PVP ships. HAM Drake - with passive tank can kill any BC 1v1 Torp Raven - Awesome DPS and Tank Scorpion - Can jam and kill Rokh - Best blaster ship Nighthawk - Uber tank and dps Cerberus - can snipe and is fast Eagle - best hac sniper Falcon - best ewar ship Blackbird - best cheap ewar ship Blaster-Ferox - can kill most bc Rocket ab-crow - awesome Manticore - best SB kitsune - great ecm ship for roaming Harpy - best sniping AF Hawk - awesome tank can kill other AF easily Looks like Caldari have a good line-up to me.
Compendium	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Barsexual Originally by: Compendium Originally by: Groknor If I had to say a race that sucks at pvp I'd say Gallente. At least Minmitar ged great damage type range and falloff, gallente get stupid guns and stupid...everything You call 1.2k DPS on a plated Megathron who can tackle stupid? You call 900 DPS nano-Ishtar stupid? Dominix is still one of the best ships in the game due to the incredible tank, DPS, and versatility it can get. Can I see a 900 dps nano-ishtar setup? It's not too hard. Heavy Assault Ships 5, Ogre IIs, Drone Interfacing 5, blasters. Not sure about the rigs. I don't fly it myself since it isn't my style, but alliance members do. They may have hardwirings, but I'm not sure. Before the Myrmidon drone nerf, it could also hit 900 DPS. The only thing is that their dps can be destroyed as it crawls around.
Compendium	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Stab Wounds The best Caldari PVP ships. HAM Drake - with passive tank can kill any BC 1v1 Torp Raven - Awesome DPS and Tank Scorpion - Can jam and kill Rokh - Best blaster ship Nighthawk - Uber tank and dps Cerberus - can snipe and is fast Eagle - best hac sniper Falcon - best ewar ship Blackbird - best cheap ewar ship Blaster-Ferox - can kill most bc Rocket ab-crow - awesome Manticore - best SB kitsune - great ecm ship for roaming Harpy - best sniping AF Hawk - awesome tank can kill other AF easily Looks like Caldari have a good line-up to me. HAM Drake - After shield power relays, tank dies easy to neuts. Torp Raven - Doesn't have the PG to fit a tank and torps. Scorpion - The LOL battleship. How can it kill with cruiser DPS? Rokh - Megathron > Rokh in blasting. Nighthawk - You can't uber tank and dps with horrible PG. Cerberus - Missiles do not snipe. Eagle - Throwing pebbles at something far away does nothing useful. Falcon - best ewar ship (You got something right!) Blackbird - Fast and easy kill. Always. Blaster-Ferox - How exactly do you plan to fit this? The cap will die with a neut in a matter of seconds if passively fit. Rocket ab-crow - LOL Manticore - best SB (True) kitsune - Why when the falcon does better and cloaks at 150 km? Harpy - Sniping AF is a joke. Hawk - Major CPU issues.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:39:00 - [26] Caldari seem to do fine in PvP, just have to be in gangs not to sacrifice tanks for tackle.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:44:00 - [27] Quote: Harpy - Sniping AF is a joke. Harpy + Neutron Blasters = Fun!
Compendium	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:55:00 - [28] Originally by: TimMc Caldari seem to do fine in PvP, just have to be in gangs not to sacrifice tanks for tackle. Agreed, although I still fit a warp disruptor. Still traps people and the overload has gotten us kills on several occasions.
Poast Warrior Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Compendium HAM Drake - After shield power relays, tank dies easy to neuts. Torp Raven - Doesn't have the PG to fit a tank and torps. You don't understand how to fit these 2 ships, obviously.
Beau x	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:48:00 - [30] Caldari ships are the best race in fleet battles, but the worst at solo. They do not have a ship that they can 'solo' in as such, however they have specialised ships. Nighthawk - Great at tanking Raven - Great DPS Rokh - Best range on sniper Falcon - Best EW Drake - Possibly the best battlecruiser Caldari, imo, were designed as the beginners noob race to appeal to new players starting the game. Caldari are the most popular race in EVE, as they have the best PVE ships such as the Raven Navy Issue, Golem and Nighthawk. If you were to go PVPing, a drake is a viable option as it can tank as well as giving decent dps with good skills (although other Battlecruisers can do more dps, none can fit a tank like a passive drake other than a passive hurricane which is probably the 2nd best battlecruiser). I use a drake for PVP a lot as it's extremely cost effective. A cerb is too expensive and is TOO niche for my style (200km gate camping and anti-EW support). I used to use my nighthawk for PVP until it burnt a hole in my wallet. Raven, although nerfed heavily, is still a great battleship. Whenever I see one, I think '**** crazy damage from torps'. The only major nerf is that you need to strap a target painter or too on it to see that crazy dps, although you could rely on the rest of the fleet for that. Rokh is the second best sniper after the Apoc and it has the best range. Fitting a blaster rokh or a neuting rokh is a suprise tactic and is actually very effective. Falcon is a great ship. People scream 'nerf!' only because they have seen an incredibly niche ship used effectively. A falcon would be nerfed if it could solo, however it cannot do any dps really, and is thin as paper. It is designed to provide fleet support in EW, which it does very well, but cannot do damage like other HACs and the people screaming 'nerf!' clearly want to ruin EVE and have everybody flying terrible ships. Overall, to PVP in I would use the drake, raven, rokh or falcon. Other ships are used often ofcourse, and often effectively, but those 4 ships are infact kickass at PVP.

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