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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Ricdic
Fitz also went to the effort of creating the list of thieves in Eve which has been an invaluable resource in EBANK, and a great repository of scam information (the best way to avoid a scam is to understand the conditions in which a scam will most often occur).
That list is wildly inaccurate.
Both the titan and the theives list are indeed not very accurate.
But how has the list been an invaluable resource in EBANK? I have never seen it mentioned at all
Indeed. I have no choice but to conclude that Ricdic is in on this scam with Fitz, and I urge everyone invested in EBANK to withdraw their money in due course, or risk losing it. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista But how has the list been an invaluable resource in EBANK? I have never seen it mentioned at all
It provides me a way for to see if anyone (loans, investments)is on that list. If the person is on that list I read the linked materials and can make my own risk assessment on the applicant. It doesn't mean instant denial if on the list but it does mean I triple check the source of the claim. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe Indeed. I have no choice but to conclude that Ricdic is in on this scam with Fitz, and I urge everyone invested in EBANK to withdraw their money in due course, or risk losing it.
Of course Your detective skills are truly amazing. |
Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Joss Sparq on 22/01/2009 10:03:19
Originally by: Shar Tegral So, welcome to the celebrity club. It automatically comes with you very own cyber-stalker and CCP deaf ears as a bonus.
They're Mr Spock shaped.
Originally by: Viper ****zIe I have no choice but to conclude that Ricdic is in on this scam with Fitz, and I urge everyone invested in EBANK to withdraw their money in due course, or risk losing it.
Don't be ridiculous - everyone already knows the recent trouble with DBANK has been part of a ploy backed by the EBANK cabal to weaken DBANK and help facilitate an eventual take over of DBANK, thus increasing the strength of the anticompetitive EBANK juggernaut even further ...
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Isk Ho
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Don't be ridiculous - everyone already knows the recent trouble with DBANK has been part of a ploy backed by the EBANK cabal to weaken DBANK and help facilitate an eventual take over of DBANK, thus increasing the strength of the anticompetitive EBANK juggernaut even further ...
*popcorn* *tinfoil*
Your signature is too large - Mitnal
Last night a mod ate my sig, last night a mod ate my sig - Mitnal broke my heart :( |
Astarte Nosferatu
Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:55:00 -
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Character assassination is one of the things what makes EvE better then other MMOG's. As long as it only uses 'legal' means, it should be fully allowed and endorsed by CCP. This comes from someone who has been a target of character assassination attempts by none less then the likes of SirMolle, DigitalCommunist and oldschool m0o and BoB members. I know how it's like, I've experienced the full brunt of it, and I still believe it's one of the things that provides the challenges we look for in EvE. It's a cold, harsh world out there, with the weak perishing and the strong survive.
Don't worry though, in three or four years most people will have forgotten about this little incident, but there will always be someone around to publicly remind you of it. Such is life.
Yes, I'm selling some of my shares |
Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.01.22 11:58:00 -
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"my reputation"
dude wtf? its just a game, not real life. You are allowed to make your business, if some paranoid moron doesnt trust you because someone told him, its his problem not yours.
I personally do whatever I want, not what others tell me to do. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Viper ****zIe I have no choice but to conclude that Ricdic is in on this scam with Fitz, and I urge everyone invested in EBANK to withdraw their money in due course, or risk losing it.
Don't be ridiculous - everyone already knows the recent trouble with DBANK has been part of a ploy backed by the EBANK cabal to weaken DBANK and help facilitate an eventual take over of DBANK, thus increasing the strength of the anticompetitive EBANK juggernaut even further ...
****, you found out about our plan. That's also why in the our BoD voting forum, there's a topic about we the best keep DBANK afloat. It's a part of Ricdic's nasty plan to fool us all |
Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Both the titan and the theives list are indeed not very accurate.
The accuracy of both lists are based on the information people are willing to give for me to add.
If you want a more accurate list... give me more accurate information. |
MrBadidea
The Children of Lilith
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Words.
You sir, are inept.
Time and again, you've tried to provide what you refer to as a "useful" service, naming and shaming potential scammers and such. Fact is, your list almost completely useless; of those people who are legitimately a part of your list, there are precisely 0 people that care. Fact is, people on that list are exactly 1 GTC and a few weeks away from having another character away from having a completely clean background.
And that's before we even get to the names on that list that aren't scammers; people that have been framed, or otherwise not guilty of anything at all. It's almost as if you've been building this list as a method of creating trust on the behalf of your character, and possibly to sully the names of those that oppose you; I can see that now. It's quite a brilliant little scheme; requires virtually no effort on your part, bar reading a forum every now and then and adding a name to a post. In return, hundreds if not thousands of people check that thread and see your name at the side of the posts they care about.
These "standards of trust" which you so willingly shout about; what trust? Fact is you haven't done anything remarkable, or out of your way to have earned the trust of the community in any meaningful realistic manner. You run a few ISK making businesses, and keep some lists up to date. That's nothing. You do what the vast majority of people in this game do; run a few side businesses and make a bit of cash. I don't think I've ever talked to anybody that's been playing EVE for more than 2 years, that doesn't at least have an Industry alt to churn out some manner of product to spam onto the market.
And this is before we bring up the possible links between you and Xabier. ---
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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:14:00 -
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Fitz is cool... |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Words.
Originally by: MrBadidea You sir, are inept.
Nice to be introduced to you Mr. Pot. Originally by: MrBadidea Fact is you haven't done anything remarkable, or out of your way to have earned the trust of the community in any meaningful realistic manner.
Yes, he's only tried to do something. Unlike yourself that simply sits on the sidelines *****ing and moaning about the inaccuracies of his work. No one that actually reads that list takes it for gospel. Any one that has any respect for his communal effort mistakes his list as a voucher of trustworthiness. No more so than anyone with half a brain, unlike yourself, trusts your word here. That being said. Fritz is one of many people who contribute to the shared Eve experience in ways small and large and, > gasp<, I don't see your name anywhere except at the top of a troll post. There is a fundamental difference between having an unknown trust quotient and being tagged as a scammer. Fritz is not asking for trust. He's just asking people to understand that there is likely a cyber stalker doing they're damnedest to ruin his name beyond unknown trust. From what I see, he's right. He's the center point of a circle jerk(s). I do not envy him though I doubt he'd actually trade places with me either.
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:46:00 -
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Yes, most of those on that list are but a week and a GTC away from a new identity. But the corporations they were in, are not.
Guilt by association is a big thing around here, and Fitz list is a nice repository of information for that reason.
For instance.
Joe comes along and asks for isk. Joe is in X corp Few months back, Sam in X corp scammed for money and ended up on Fitz list Everyone here starts really asking the hard questions
So the list is useful. |
MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.22 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral (deserved vitriol snipped --MDD) blah-blah Fritz is ... blah-blah blah-blah Fritz is ... asking people to understand that there is [a guy] doing they're damnedest to ruin his name ...
Considering his name is Fitz, errm... ROFLMAO (only teasing you, Shar!)
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Trading Bunnz
Equatorial Industires Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.01.23 00:56:00 -
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Normally I'd stay right out of this kinds of discussions, because they really dont contribute much to the greater good, but in this instance, I wanted to highlight a couple of points made by the MD crew that need to be highlighted.
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria ...Guilt by association is a big thing around here...
Fitz VonHeise, The New Order, CODE RED ALLIANCE. - evn, CODE RED ALLIANCE - Xabier, CODE RED ALLIANCE
Originally by: Shar Tegral ...the worst effect is that a few people will have doubts...
Consider a few more people to have doubts, based on Fitz's affiliations with an alliance playing host to scammers taking what? 120b from the investors?
Originally by: Pellura ...I think Fitz VonHeise's name has surfaced in scamming threads just a few times to many recently, every time in a negative light...
I have no idea who pellura is, but the point is valid. Extra attention and vigilance is required where there is any kind of smoke. The rest of what Pellura says may or may not be meaningful, you make your decision, but this sentence alone deserves highlighting.
Originally by: Shar Tegral ...There is a fundamental difference between having an unknown trust quotient and being tagged as a scammer. Fritz is not asking for trust. He's just asking people to understand that there is likely a cyber stalker doing they're damnedest to ruin his name beyond unknown trust...
So true, but just because there is a nasty character assassin around does not mean that that fact excuses all the smoke. As always, trust is a hard won thing and grows over time. But I disagree. Fitz is often asking for trust, publicly stating that he wants to be the next "Chribba", willing to handle supercap transactions as well as various other functions.
His "public works", some of which are fantastic, are designed to get his name known and no fault to him for it, but as always in these MD forums, investors beware and do your own due diligence.
Personally, based on dealings with an alt of mine, I'd rather self destruct a supercap than rely on Fitz to handle an exchange. Your experiences and relationships may differ. |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.23 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic (the best way to avoid a scam is to understand the conditions in which a scam will most often occur).
I agree entirely. Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven!
(all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
What's your take on that? |
Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven!
(all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
What's your take on that?
Well, when time has ended and we can look back on all of history, it will finally then become possible to actually test your theory. I'll try to remember to get back to you then.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.23 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven! (all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
No exceptions to this in your mind? |
Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.23 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Trading Bunnz
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria ...Guilt by association is a big thing around here...
- Xabier, CODE RED ALLIANCE
Unless I typed this guys name wrong... I don't see him ever being in Code Red. (I'm at work so I'll check again tonight)
Yes evn is/was in Code Red. I've hardly dealt with him at all other then once to drop off some fuel and stuff for his POS. In fact people in the corp two months ago said to not believe everything he said as he was a bit strange.
With regards to supercap trades... even before this happened I was not getting any responses.... so I kinda figured that it wasn't going to happen. And that is fine with me. I've got more then enough to do in Eve anyway.
What I don't like is people trying to ruin my reputation
I'm not sure what alt you are talking about.. or what happen. But in any transaction that I have done with people... if I am late in doing a service.... make a math mistake or whatever. I always either take isk off the job or pay them more then the item was worth. My reputation is worth more to me then the little bit of isk I might have gotten. But if your alt never says anything... I will never know what your issue would be or how to fix it.
I can give you multiple instances of where I have lost isk on transactions just so there would be no way for someone to even think I was trying to get over on them.
One of my largest losses was the Technium Moon POS attack.
The POS was put into reinforcement. I was scrambling to get a merc group to come protect the POS when it came out. I emailed five different groups trying to get them to come. Time is of the essence and so I hired Omniscient Order right off and they came with caps from PL. I had sent an email to another merc corp saying I needed them as well as others, but I had no contact with them till the POS is about to come out of reinforcement. They also show up and help OO kill off the caps in BSĘsą but almost all of them died. The mercs killed off the opposing captials and saved the POS and I personally lost a carrier.
So after the dust settles.. not only does OO want their pay of 1.4b for the cap kills but the other merc corp (that I really hadnĘt confirmed that I needed them) asked for me to pay for the ships they lost. (Over 1b) I had budgeted for POS defense only 1b. (Three partners for 333m each)
There is no way I am going to ask for more isk from my partners. I could have told the 2nd merc corp I never confirmed needing them and not pay themą. but I didnĘt. Even though I lost a carrier myself I paid over 2.5b for that engagement to the mercs and chalked it up to a learning experience.
IĘve got lots of other examples.
The point is I would rather loose isk then have people think I am a scammer. (No donĘt ask for my stuff)
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MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.23 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise The point is I would rather loose isk then have people think I am a scammer. (No donĘt ask for my stuff)
As long as you're choosing to "loose" ISK, I wouldn't complain if it wandered into my wallet.
[WTS] ISK leashes
Yeah, yeah, I know: cheap spelling/grammar snipe in what is an otherwise clearly composed post. I do it for the humor.
MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching |
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Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.23 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Fintroll Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven! (all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
No exceptions to this in your mind?
Not everybody sets out to scam, but everybody has a price. Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Fintroll Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven! (all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
No exceptions to this in your mind?
Not everybody sets out to scam, but everybody has a price. Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious.
In so far as ISK is concerned, not everyone has a price.
Some people play EvE precisely because they enjoy the respect and attention they get by being a leading figure in the community. Take Ricdic for example.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious.
Nope... and I think I can prove it to any one with an open mind.
Go to my links page go to my 7th post. Click on the link that says in green: "What Makes Me Tick" (This is an FYI... no coming back here to talk about it)
Some people like to role play in Eve.... and that is fine. I like to play eve as I live in RL... but that is just me. |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Fintroll
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Fintroll Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven! (all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
No exceptions to this in your mind?
Not everybody sets out to scam, but everybody has a price. Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious.
In so far as ISK is concerned, not everyone has a price.
Some people play EvE precisely because they enjoy the respect and attention they get by being a leading figure in the community. Take Ricdic for example.
Ricdic is the most obvious scanner of them all. Any IPO that involves the word "BANK" is more suspect than the rest. History repeats itself. |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Fintroll Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious.
Nope... and I think I can prove it to any one with an open mind.
Go to my links page go to my 7th post. Click on the link that says in green: "What Makes Me Tick" (This is an FYI... no coming back here to talk about it)
Some people like to role play in Eve.... and that is fine. I like to play eve as I live in RL... but that is just me.
Truthfully I don't care what makes you tick. I don't care who you scam either. I'm getting double troll points out of this though for both being here to **** on your reputation and getting to say "I told you so, ******." to all the ignorant morons you rip off whenever you decide you have enough to do so.
I, like any good opportunist in Eve, have thought about reputation-building and IPOs and such as a means to an end of an "epic scam", but it's really not worth the effort. Everybody who came before you to do what you are doing now has always tried to trump up just how much they got away with. If you have to lie about how much you took with your scam, chances are it wasn't worth the effort you put into it.
Good luck Fitz!
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll Ricdic is the most obvious scanner of them all. Any IPO that involves the word "BANK" is more suspect than the rest. History repeats itself.
You are absolutely correct 100%. I have been doing a LOT of exploration over the past couple of months in anticipation of wormholes and just having a lot of fun finding and clearing the local LADAR/RADAR etc sites. There's a lot of money in exploration Fintroll, I can give you some pointers later if you want. |
Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic ....a lot of money in exploration ...
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Trading Bunnz
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria ...Guilt by association is a big thing around here...
- Xabier, CODE RED ALLIANCE
Unless I typed this guys name wrong... I don't see him ever being in Code Red. (I'm at work so I'll check again tonight)
Nope.
XABIER was never in Code Red Alliance. |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.24 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Fintroll Ricdic is the most obvious scanner of them all. Any IPO that involves the word "BANK" is more suspect than the rest. History repeats itself.
You are absolutely correct 100%. I have been doing a LOT of exploration over the past couple of months in anticipation of wormholes and just having a lot of fun finding and clearing the local LADAR/RADAR etc sites. There's a lot of money in exploration Fintroll, I can give you some pointers later if you want.
i'd wallet-stomp you too
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.24 02:34:00 -
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I haven't been keeping up, but has Fitz's reputation been destroyed yet by the, no doubt, iron-clad accusations? I really hope you can get it destroyed tonight. I'm going to be real busy later this weekend and probably won't have a lot of time to monitor this very important thread.
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