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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 23:22:00 -
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There is an individual out there who has been spreading rumors here in the Market forums and elsewhere that I am a scammer. While his attempts to ruin my business has failed miserably I wanted to have this thread to disprove his allegations and to clear my name of any of his sticky brown stuff he is trying to throw on me.
I have been playing Eve for more then two years. (wow, time flies) I have sold many items in game and have started two businesses that have lasted more then two years. (See below links) I have also started many informative lists to help people know more about Eve and how to play. By any standards people have listed for reasons to trust people in Eve... I have passed most of them.
I have never started an IPO as of yet as it seems to me to be more trouble then it is worth. (All those reports and working with people) I did have one business arrangement with Ricdic and a corp member and it worked okay. It didn't make us a lot of isk but what I did get out of it was the experience and the unqualified recommendation from Ricdic. (If he wants to retract or comment here that is cool)
The only æbadÆ thing that I have done is to allow my corp (NEWO) to join an Alliance that appears to have a high percentage of scammers in it. My involvement in this decision to join was to allow our diplomat to look for a 0.0 Alliance and once their search came to Code Red the corp members voted to join. I knew of no one in that Alliance till we joined. (We will be leaving as quickly as I can move us) I still do not think most of the people in Code Red are æbadÆ or scammers. But I since NEWO is a æpaladinÆ type corp it is best for us to not be a part of an Alliance with this reputation.
Howeverà this person tossing the brown sticky stuff has been trying to smear my name long before NEWO joined Code Red. (Actually going back a year now) But since I have proved this person wrong over timeà they decided that they had to make it appear that I am a scammer to ruin my reputation and business.
I wonder if this crosses the line into in game harassment?
Services I Provide:
Alliance Creation ò Caldari Standings ò Thieves Of EvE ò Titans ò My Links
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 23:23:00 -
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Reserved.... |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.01.21 23:35:00 -
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Why is it that Von Fitzheise gets all the entertainement around here?
 Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
I wonder if this crosses the line into in game harassment?
One can only hope. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.21 23:50:00 -
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My only advice is to realize that it is the height of compliment. At least the height that some of those low brow types can reach. However I can tell you, after 5 years of it, character assassination is well entrenched in Eve and CCP will not, can not, do anything about it. (Heck, I know one or two times that "CCP" has engaged in it!)
That being said, until proof is gained, the worst effect is that a few people will have doubts. Which, to be honest, is what everyone should have about everyone anyway.
So, welcome to the celebrity club. It automatically comes with you very own cyber-stalker and CCP deaf ears as a bonus.
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.21 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
So, welcome to the celebrity club. It automatically comes with you very own cyber-stalker and CCP deaf ears as a bonus.
hehehe 
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.01.21 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
My only advice is to realize that it is the height of compliment. At least the height that some of those low brow types can reach. However I can tell you, after 5 years of it, character assassination is well entrenched in Eve and CCP will not, can not, do anything about it. (Heck, I know one or two times that "CCP" has engaged in it!)
That being said, until proof is gained, the worst effect is that a few people will have doubts. Which, to be honest, is what everyone should have about everyone anyway.
So, welcome to the celebrity club. It automatically comes with you very own cyber-stalker and CCP deaf ears as a bonus.
Indeed.
I remember how frustrating it was when YouGotRipped started using my signature (name and all) in an attempt to associate me with his bad reputation. It was so irritating and the most annoying part was the mods refusing to do a damn thing about it. As annoying as it was at the time, looking back I guess I should take it as a sort of compliment. He though I was a big enough fish to go after.
As frustrating as it was, he gave up and I got over it a long time ago. Given time, you will too.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Shar Tegral
My only advice is to realize that it is the height of compliment. At least the height that some of those low brow types can reach. However I can tell you, after 5 years of it, character assassination is well entrenched in Eve and CCP will not, can not, do anything about it. (Heck, I know one or two times that "CCP" has engaged in it!)
That being said, until proof is gained, the worst effect is that a few people will have doubts. Which, to be honest, is what everyone should have about everyone anyway.
So, welcome to the celebrity club. It automatically comes with you very own cyber-stalker and CCP deaf ears as a bonus.
Indeed.
I remember how frustrating it was when YouGotRipped started using my signature (name and all) in an attempt to associate me with his bad reputation. It was so irritating and the most annoying part was the mods refusing to do a damn thing about it. As annoying as it was at the time, looking back I guess I should take it as a sort of compliment. He though I was a big enough fish to go after.
As frustrating as it was, he gave up and I got over it a long time ago. Given time, you will too.
I didn't give up, I forgave you. hahah |
Pellura
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:07:00 -
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I think Fitz VonHeise's name has surfaced in scamming threads just a few times to many recently, every time in a negative light. I doubt that those accusations are completely unfounded.
The truth is, reputations take a lifetime to build and seconds to destroy, and yours is ****ed now. Frankly, the speed and effort invested in posting this thread creates an opposite impression, as if you do have something to hide and are trying to buy some time to cash on scams.
Core Red are known *******s and anyone choosing to join them must surely be aware of repercussions that may follow that decision. No normal CEO in his right mind will join an alliance without doing at least a tiny little bit of research, so here your excuses look lax at best, while Johnny's rather convincing.
I don't know what your connection to Xabier is yet, but I'm sure it will be uncovered with time. Xabier has demonstrated how someone with enough time and effort can earn people's trust and then still scam them, despite little evidence of what is being planned. In your case there's plenty of dodgy aspects about you and suspicions floating around. Your eagerness to 'clear' your name is suspicious, too.
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I wonder if this crosses the line into in game harassment?
This is the best part, honestly. "Doubt me and I'll petition you". I feel for you, I'm in a pool of tears here.
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Aluin Chaput
Caldari
The Monad Family
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:10:00 -
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Shar, can I join your club? = (
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pellura
I think Fitz VonHeise's name has surfaced in scamming threads just a few times to many recently, every time in a negative light. I doubt that those accusations are completely unfounded.
The truth is, reputations take a lifetime to build and seconds to destroy, and yours is ****ed now. Frankly, the speed and effort invested in posting this thread creates an opposite impression, as if you do have something to hide and are trying to buy some time to cash on scams.
Core Red are known *******s and anyone choosing to join them must surely be aware of repercussions that may follow that decision. No normal CEO in his right mind will join an alliance without doing at least a tiny little bit of research, so here your excuses look lax at best, while Johnny's rather convincing.
I don't know what your connection to Xabier is yet, but I'm sure it will be uncovered with time. Xabier has demonstrated how someone with enough time and effort can earn people's trust and then still scam them, despite little evidence of what is being planned. In your case there's plenty of dodgy aspects about you and suspicions floating around. Your eagerness to 'clear' your name is suspicious, too.
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I wonder if this crosses the line into in game harassment?
This is the best part, honestly. "Doubt me and I'll petition you". I feel for you, I'm in a pool of tears here.
Great first MD post.
Now go back to selling yourself in the character bazaar.
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Drakus
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pellura
I think Fitz VonHeise's name has surfaced in scamming threads just a few times to many recently, every time in a negative light. I doubt that those accusations are completely unfounded.
The truth is, reputations take a lifetime to build and seconds to destroy, and yours is ****ed now. Frankly, the speed and effort invested in posting this thread creates an opposite impression, as if you do have something to hide and are trying to buy some time to cash on scams.
Core Red are known *******s and anyone choosing to join them must surely be aware of repercussions that may follow that decision. No normal CEO in his right mind will join an alliance without doing at least a tiny little bit of research, so here your excuses look lax at best, while Johnny's rather convincing.
I don't know what your connection to Xabier is yet, but I'm sure it will be uncovered with time. Xabier has demonstrated how someone with enough time and effort can earn people's trust and then still scam them, despite little evidence of what is being planned. In your case there's plenty of dodgy aspects about you and suspicions floating around. Your eagerness to 'clear' your name is suspicious, too.
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I wonder if this crosses the line into in game harassment?
This is the best part, honestly. "Doubt me and I'll petition you". I feel for you, I'm in a pool of tears here.
really now? really? are you friggin KIDDING?? lol... if someone was calling ME a scammer, i'd do my best to disprove it right away... hell, some might even say i'd be eager to clear my name... but thats just me. I guess in your world, when someone insults your honor you wait for awhile... just so you don't seem to want to clear yourself...
wow...
welcome to MD.
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MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 22/01/2009 00:23:37
Originally by: Pellura
I think
OK stop right there. There's the first falsehood.
Seriously, if this were an any more transparent attempt to slander Fitz by the same person, you'd be able to use it as window glass.
Edit: it's so bad, I half wonder if it is from Fitz himself, in an attempt to reverse-slander the other guy.
MDD 
Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching |
Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pellura
I think Fitz VonHeise's name ...
WARNING!! Jonny 101 alt spotted WARNING!!
Originally by: Shar Tegral
So, welcome to the celebrity club. It automatically comes with you very own cyber-stalker and CCP deaf ears as a bonus.
Thanks for those kind words....
Originally by: YouGotRipped
I didn't give up, I forgave you. hahah
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:22:00 -
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Quote:
I wonder if this crosses the line into in game harassment?
Originally by: Pellura
This is the best part, honestly. "Doubt me and I'll petition you". I feel for you, I'm in a pool of tears here.
Well I know I just reported you. IMNSHO if you are going to make such accusations you should do it with your main. If you don't have the balls god gave a gnat why should you be allowed to attack someone? This kind of behavior is one of those things I truly hate about "alt" games. But then most scammers spend their time and effort destroying the good reputation of non-scammers to clear the way to success. (I.e. The recent "anti-market elite" campaign, Fritz grinding, blah, blah, blah.)
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Pellura
I think
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
OK stop right there. There's the first falsehood.
Dammit, I was sipping some coffee. BTW I'm going to have my legal counsel contact you for this blatant imitation you have committed. No one is allowed to be so eloquently hostile except me. (Damn new kids infringing on copyrights!)
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 22/01/2009 00:27:58
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This one may not be a scam, the next one may not be a scam but I'd stake my fortune on the fact that in the end, YouGotRipped will not just rip off his investors but flood this forum with ****-posts. Well, I guess he's already done that.
I believe Kwint owes me some isk... 
Black Sun Empire |
Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:20:00 -
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I remember when someone was trying to sabotage my reputation, it was a long time ago....**wavy lines and harp sounds... looks like a flashback*
The year was 1985, Michael Jackson was still rocking out and no one knew he would one day like to "play" with a kid named billy jean rather than just sing about him. AM stereo broadcasting started in Australia. Norwich City wins the English League Cup at Wembley Stadium, beating Sunderland 1-0 in the final. The United Kingdom has its first ever national Glow-worm day. The 30th Eurovision Song Contest takes place in Gothenburg, Sweden. U.S. Route 66 is officially decommissioned. Knorr, Robert Ballard, Jean-Louis Michel, and crew, find the wreck of R.M.S. Titanic.
There I was minding my own business sipping a bottle of juice and thinking about all the fantastic toys I was going to chew on (as most 2 year olds do) when all of a sudden one of my sisters came running into the room. I peered across the room at her and noticed she had pulled down her pants and was dropping a pile in the middle of the living room. To my amazement she continued her quest until she was satisfied then quietly left the room. I was astonished and confused until she came back into the room with my mother. She pointed at the pile and then whispered something to mom, before I knew it I was the one in time out and my sister was rewarded for her caper. It was at that moment that I swore a vow to grow up, become successful, and take a **** on my sisters floor........well 1 out of 3 isn't so bad. 
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Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
It was at that moment that I swore a vow to grow up, become successful, and take a **** on my sisters floor........well 1 out of 3 isn't so bad.
So, what did you do after you grew up and shat on your sister's floor?
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:26:00 -
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how did you get her back?
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Tellathi
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
There I was minding my own business sipping a bottle of juice and thinking about all the fantastic toys I was going to chew on (as most 2 year olds do) when all of a sudden one of my sisters came running into the room. I peered across the room at her and noticed she had pulled down her pants and was dropping a pile in the middle of the living room. To my amazement she continued her quest until she was satisfied then quietly left the room. I was astonished and confused until she came back into the room with my mother. She pointed at the pile and then whispered something to mom, before I knew it I was the one in time out and my sister was rewarded for her caper. It was at that moment that I swore a vow to grow up, become successful, and take a **** on my sisters floor........well 1 out of 3 isn't so bad.
I might just be tired, but I suspect I just woke up several people in my building after having read that. Thanks for an alarmingly good laugh
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Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:27:00 -
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It's fairly obvious to any seasoned scammer that you are just trying to build reputation for a big heist. Bit of advice from a pro, the long hauls are rarely worth it. Especially when you are a witless cretin. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
I remember when someone was trying to sabotage my reputation, it was a long time ago....**wavy lines and harp sounds... looks like a flashback*
The year was 1985, Michael Jackson was still rocking out and no one knew he would one day like to "play" with a kid named billy jean rather than just sing about him. AM stereo broadcasting started in Australia. Norwich City wins the English League Cup at Wembley Stadium, beating Sunderland 1-0 in the final. The United Kingdom has its first ever national Glow-worm day. The 30th Eurovision Song Contest takes place in Gothenburg, Sweden. U.S. Route 66 is officially decommissioned. Knorr, Robert Ballard, Jean-Louis Michel, and crew, find the wreck of R.M.S. Titanic.
There I was minding my own business sipping a bottle of juice and thinking about all the fantastic toys I was going to chew on (as most 2 year olds do) when all of a sudden one of my sisters came running into the room. I peered across the room at her and noticed she had pulled down her pants and was dropping a pile in the middle of the living room. To my amazement she continued her quest until she was satisfied then quietly left the room. I was astonished and confused until she came back into the room with my mother. She pointed at the pile and then whispered something to mom, before I knew it I was the one in time out and my sister was rewarded for her caper. It was at that moment that I swore a vow to grow up, become successful, and take a **** on my sisters floor........well 1 out of 3 isn't so bad.
....but did you finish? |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll
It's fairly obvious to any seasoned scammer that you are just trying to build reputation for a big heist. Bit of advice from a pro, the long hauls are rarely worth it. Especially when you are a witless cretin.
Well there you go. Nothing says proof like one of them geniuses from "Endemic Aggression" sitting back on his hindlegs and yapping at his betters. Thanks for clearing that up mate. You may return to the more rewarding task of pulling lint from your navel.
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Fintroll
It's fairly obvious to any seasoned scammer that you are just trying to build reputation for a big heist. Bit of advice from a pro, the long hauls are rarely worth it. Especially when you are a witless cretin.
Well there you go. Nothing says proof like one of them geniuses from "Endemic Aggression" sitting back on his hindlegs and yapping at his betters. Thanks for clearing that up mate. You may return to the more rewarding task of pulling lint from your navel.
Better in what manner? Whatever your measurement of qualification is, if you take your credentials and Fitz's credentials, and add them together, I am at least two times better than you.
I'll crush you with my wallet, Junior. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll
I'll crush you with my wallet, Junior.
Mommy and Daddy pay for a few gtc's moron? Any idiot can have a big wallet, as you demonstrate, but I doubt anyone would dare hand you their wallet. That is, "and expect to get it back." The truth is faithless dogs never understand so I'm not going to bother explaining the concept to you. Just do what muppets do, "yap - yap - yap." |
Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:10:00 -
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If spreading rumors was an bannable offense I'd be pretty screwed, tbh. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe
If spreading rumors was an bannable offense I'd be pretty screwed, tbh.
Must restrain myself from ****-posting. So much low-hanging fruit! |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 05:47:00 -
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I have had nothing but positive dealings with Fitz. I have seen a few people in other threads making a few comments and frankly just chalked them off as trolls and moved on.
Fitz also went to the effort of creating the list of thieves in Eve which has been an invaluable resource in EBANK, and a great repository of scam information (the best way to avoid a scam is to understand the conditions in which a scam will most often occur).
Anyway I don't even consider the allegations of scam made by trolls and alts. I wouldn't let them waste your time Fitz, those who have dealt with you have their own opinions that won't be swayed by two-bit trolls. EBANK has it's own troll fanclub too (albeit seriously lacking of late), so I know all about it |
Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.22 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Fitz also went to the effort of creating the list of thieves in Eve which has been an invaluable resource in EBANK, and a great repository of scam information (the best way to avoid a scam is to understand the conditions in which a scam will most often occur).
That list is wildly inaccurate.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.22 06:28:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Ricdic
Fitz also went to the effort of creating the list of thieves in Eve which has been an invaluable resource in EBANK, and a great repository of scam information (the best way to avoid a scam is to understand the conditions in which a scam will most often occur).
That list is wildly inaccurate.
Both the titan and the theives list are indeed not very accurate.
But how has the list been an invaluable resource in EBANK? I have never seen it mentioned at all 
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:02:00 -
[31]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Ricdic
Fitz also went to the effort of creating the list of thieves in Eve which has been an invaluable resource in EBANK, and a great repository of scam information (the best way to avoid a scam is to understand the conditions in which a scam will most often occur).
That list is wildly inaccurate.
Both the titan and the theives list are indeed not very accurate.
But how has the list been an invaluable resource in EBANK? I have never seen it mentioned at all
Indeed. I have no choice but to conclude that Ricdic is in on this scam with Fitz, and I urge everyone invested in EBANK to withdraw their money in due course, or risk losing it. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:02:00 -
[32]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
But how has the list been an invaluable resource in EBANK? I have never seen it mentioned at all
It provides me a way for to see if anyone (loans, investments)is on that list. If the person is on that list I read the linked materials and can make my own risk assessment on the applicant. It doesn't mean instant denial if on the list but it does mean I triple check the source of the claim. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 07:03:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Indeed. I have no choice but to conclude that Ricdic is in on this scam with Fitz, and I urge everyone invested in EBANK to withdraw their money in due course, or risk losing it.
Of course Your detective skills are truly amazing. |
Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 09:44:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Joss Sparq on 22/01/2009 10:03:19
Originally by: Shar Tegral
So, welcome to the celebrity club. It automatically comes with you very own cyber-stalker and CCP deaf ears as a bonus.
They're Mr Spock shaped.
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
I have no choice but to conclude that Ricdic is in on this scam with Fitz, and I urge everyone invested in EBANK to withdraw their money in due course, or risk losing it.
Don't be ridiculous - everyone already knows the recent trouble with DBANK has been part of a ploy backed by the EBANK cabal to weaken DBANK and help facilitate an eventual take over of DBANK, thus increasing the strength of the anticompetitive EBANK juggernaut even further ...
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Isk Ho
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:47:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Don't be ridiculous - everyone already knows the recent trouble with DBANK has been part of a ploy backed by the EBANK cabal to weaken DBANK and help facilitate an eventual take over of DBANK, thus increasing the strength of the anticompetitive EBANK juggernaut even further ...
 *popcorn* *tinfoil*
Your signature is too large - Mitnal
Last night a mod ate my sig, last night a mod ate my sig - Mitnal broke my heart :( |
Astarte Nosferatu
Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:55:00 -
[36]
Character assassination is one of the things what makes EvE better then other MMOG's. As long as it only uses 'legal' means, it should be fully allowed and endorsed by CCP. This comes from someone who has been a target of character assassination attempts by none less then the likes of SirMolle, DigitalCommunist and oldschool m0o and BoB members. I know how it's like, I've experienced the full brunt of it, and I still believe it's one of the things that provides the challenges we look for in EvE. It's a cold, harsh world out there, with the weak perishing and the strong survive.
Don't worry though, in three or four years most people will have forgotten about this little incident, but there will always be someone around to publicly remind you of it. Such is life.
Yes, I'm selling some of my shares |
Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.01.22 11:58:00 -
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"my reputation"
dude wtf? its just a game, not real life. You are allowed to make your business, if some paranoid moron doesnt trust you because someone told him, its his problem not yours.
I personally do whatever I want, not what others tell me to do. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:01:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
I have no choice but to conclude that Ricdic is in on this scam with Fitz, and I urge everyone invested in EBANK to withdraw their money in due course, or risk losing it.
Don't be ridiculous - everyone already knows the recent trouble with DBANK has been part of a ploy backed by the EBANK cabal to weaken DBANK and help facilitate an eventual take over of DBANK, thus increasing the strength of the anticompetitive EBANK juggernaut even further ...
****, you found out about our plan. That's also why in the our BoD voting forum, there's a topic about we the best keep DBANK afloat. It's a part of Ricdic's nasty plan to fool us all  |
Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:40:00 -
[39]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Both the titan and the theives list are indeed not very accurate.
The accuracy of both lists are based on the information people are willing to give for me to add.
If you want a more accurate list...
give me more accurate information.  |
MrBadidea
The Children of Lilith
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Words.
You sir, are inept.
Time and again, you've tried to provide what you refer to as a "useful" service, naming and shaming potential scammers and such. Fact is, your list almost completely useless; of those people who are legitimately a part of your list, there are precisely 0 people that care. Fact is, people on that list are exactly 1 GTC and a few weeks away from having another character away from having a completely clean background.
And that's before we even get to the names on that list that aren't scammers; people that have been framed, or otherwise not guilty of anything at all. It's almost as if you've been building this list as a method of creating trust on the behalf of your character, and possibly to sully the names of those that oppose you; I can see that now. It's quite a brilliant little scheme; requires virtually no effort on your part, bar reading a forum every now and then and adding a name to a post. In return, hundreds if not thousands of people check that thread and see your name at the side of the posts they care about.
These "standards of trust" which you so willingly shout about; what trust? Fact is you haven't done anything remarkable, or out of your way to have earned the trust of the community in any meaningful realistic manner. You run a few ISK making businesses, and keep some lists up to date. That's nothing. You do what the vast majority of people in this game do; run a few side businesses and make a bit of cash. I don't think I've ever talked to anybody that's been playing EVE for more than 2 years, that doesn't at least have an Industry alt to churn out some manner of product to spam onto the market.
And this is before we bring up the possible links between you and Xabier.
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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:14:00 -
[41]
Fitz is cool...  |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:38:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Words.
Originally by: MrBadidea
You sir, are inept.
Nice to be introduced to you Mr. Pot. Originally by: MrBadidea
Fact is you haven't done anything remarkable, or out of your way to have earned the trust of the community in any meaningful realistic manner.
Yes, he's only tried to do something. Unlike yourself that simply sits on the sidelines *****ing and moaning about the inaccuracies of his work. No one that actually reads that list takes it for gospel. Any one that has any respect for his communal effort mistakes his list as a voucher of trustworthiness. No more so than anyone with half a brain, unlike yourself, trusts your word here. That being said. Fritz is one of many people who contribute to the shared Eve experience in ways small and large and, > gasp<, I don't see your name anywhere except at the top of a troll post. There is a fundamental difference between having an unknown trust quotient and being tagged as a scammer. Fritz is not asking for trust. He's just asking people to understand that there is likely a cyber stalker doing they're damnedest to ruin his name beyond unknown trust. From what I see, he's right. He's the center point of a circle jerk(s). I do not envy him though I doubt he'd actually trade places with me either.
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:46:00 -
[43]
Yes, most of those on that list are but a week and a GTC away from a new identity. But the corporations they were in, are not.
Guilt by association is a big thing around here, and Fitz list is a nice repository of information for that reason.
For instance.
Joe comes along and asks for isk.
Joe is in X corp
Few months back, Sam in X corp scammed for money and ended up on Fitz list
Everyone here starts really asking the hard questions
So the list is useful. |
MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.22 22:10:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
(deserved vitriol snipped --MDD)
blah-blah Fritz is ... blah-blah
blah-blah Fritz is ... asking people to understand that there is [a guy] doing they're damnedest to ruin his name ...
Considering his name is Fitz, errm...
ROFLMAO (only teasing you, Shar!)
MDD |
Trading Bunnz
Equatorial Industires
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.01.23 00:56:00 -
[45]
Normally I'd stay right out of this kinds of discussions, because they really dont contribute much to the greater good, but in this instance, I wanted to highlight a couple of points made by the MD crew that need to be highlighted.
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
...Guilt by association is a big thing around here...
Fitz VonHeise, The New Order, CODE RED ALLIANCE.
- evn, CODE RED ALLIANCE
- Xabier, CODE RED ALLIANCE
Originally by: Shar Tegral
...the worst effect is that a few people will have doubts...
Consider a few more people to have doubts, based on Fitz's affiliations with an alliance playing host to scammers taking what? 120b from the investors?
Originally by: Pellura
...I think Fitz VonHeise's name has surfaced in scamming threads just a few times to many recently, every time in a negative light...
I have no idea who pellura is, but the point is valid. Extra attention and vigilance is required where there is any kind of smoke. The rest of what Pellura says may or may not be meaningful, you make your decision, but this sentence alone deserves highlighting.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
...There is a fundamental difference between having an unknown trust quotient and being tagged as a scammer. Fritz is not asking for trust. He's just asking people to understand that there is likely a cyber stalker doing they're damnedest to ruin his name beyond unknown trust...
So true, but just because there is a nasty character assassin around does not mean that that fact excuses all the smoke. As always, trust is a hard won thing and grows over time. But I disagree. Fitz is often asking for trust, publicly stating that he wants to be the next "Chribba", willing to handle supercap transactions as well as various other functions.
His "public works", some of which are fantastic, are designed to get his name known and no fault to him for it, but as always in these MD forums, investors beware and do your own due diligence.
Personally, based on dealings with an alt of mine, I'd rather self destruct a supercap than rely on Fitz to handle an exchange. Your experiences and relationships may differ. |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.23 00:58:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ricdic
(the best way to avoid a scam is to understand the conditions in which a scam will most often occur).
I agree entirely. Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven!
(all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
What's your take on that? |
Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:05:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Fintroll
Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven!
(all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
What's your take on that?
Well, when time has ended and we can look back on all of history, it will finally then become possible to actually test your theory. I'll try to remember to get back to you then.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.23 11:23:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Fintroll
Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven! (all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
No exceptions to this in your mind? |
Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.23 22:12:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Trading Bunnz
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
...Guilt by association is a big thing around here...
- Xabier, CODE RED ALLIANCE
Unless I typed this guys name wrong... I don't see him ever being in Code Red. (I'm at work so I'll check again tonight)
Yes evn is/was in Code Red. I've hardly dealt with him at all other then once to drop off some fuel and stuff for his POS. In fact people in the corp two months ago said to not believe everything he said as he was a bit strange.
With regards to supercap trades... even before this happened I was not getting any responses.... so I kinda figured that it wasn't going to happen. And that is fine with me. I've got more then enough to do in Eve anyway.
What I don't like is people trying to ruin my reputation
I'm not sure what alt you are talking about.. or what happen. But in any transaction that I have done with people... if I am late in doing a service.... make a math mistake or whatever. I always either take isk off the job or pay them more then the item was worth. My reputation is worth more to me then the little bit of isk I might have gotten. But if your alt never says anything... I will never know what your issue would be or how to fix it.
I can give you multiple instances of where I have lost isk on transactions just so there would be no way for someone to even think I was trying to get over on them.
One of my largest losses was the Technium Moon POS attack.
The POS was put into reinforcement. I was scrambling to get a merc group to come protect the POS when it came out. I emailed five different groups trying to get them to come. Time is of the essence and so I hired Omniscient Order right off and they came with caps from PL. I had sent an email to another merc corp saying I needed them as well as others, but I had no contact with them till the POS is about to come out of reinforcement. They also show up and help OO kill off the caps in BSÆsà but almost all of them died. The mercs killed off the opposing captials and saved the POS and I personally lost a carrier.
So after the dust settles.. not only does OO want their pay of 1.4b for the cap kills but the other merc corp (that I really hadnÆt confirmed that I needed them) asked for me to pay for the ships they lost. (Over 1b) I had budgeted for POS defense only 1b. (Three partners for 333m each)
There is no way I am going to ask for more isk from my partners. I could have told the 2nd merc corp I never confirmed needing them and not pay themà. but I didnÆt. Even though I lost a carrier myself I paid over 2.5b for that engagement to the mercs and chalked it up to a learning experience.
IÆve got lots of other examples.
The point is I would rather loose isk then have people think I am a scammer. (No donÆt ask for my stuff)
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MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.23 22:49:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
The point is I would rather loose isk then have people think I am a scammer. (No donÆt ask for my stuff)
As long as you're choosing to "loose" ISK, I wouldn't complain if it wandered into my wallet.
[WTS] ISK leashes
Yeah, yeah, I know: cheap spelling/grammar snipe in what is an otherwise clearly composed post. I do it for the humor.
MDD
Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.23 23:56:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Fintroll
Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven! (all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
No exceptions to this in your mind?
Not everybody sets out to scam, but everybody has a price. Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:12:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Fintroll
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Fintroll
Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven! (all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
No exceptions to this in your mind?
Not everybody sets out to scam, but everybody has a price. Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious.
In so far as ISK is concerned, not everyone has a price.
Some people play EvE precisely because they enjoy the respect and attention they get by being a leading figure in the community. Take Ricdic for example.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:15:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Fintroll
Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious.
Nope... and I think I can prove it to any one with an open mind.
Go to my links page
go to my 7th post.
Click on the link that says in green:
"What Makes Me Tick"
(This is an FYI... no coming back here to talk about it)
Some people like to role play in Eve.... and that is fine.
I like to play eve as I live in RL... but that is just me. |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:31:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Fintroll
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Fintroll
Here's a theory of mine that I have never seen disproven! (all IPOs are scams, or pre-scam reputation-building projects)
No exceptions to this in your mind?
Not everybody sets out to scam, but everybody has a price. Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious.
In so far as ISK is concerned, not everyone has a price.
Some people play EvE precisely because they enjoy the respect and attention they get by being a leading figure in the community. Take Ricdic for example.
Ricdic is the most obvious scanner of them all. Any IPO that involves the word "BANK" is more suspect than the rest. History repeats itself. |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:37:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Fintroll
Fitz definitely set out to scam though, he's just trying too hard. It's obvious.
Nope... and I think I can prove it to any one with an open mind.
Go to my links page
go to my 7th post.
Click on the link that says in green:
"What Makes Me Tick"
(This is an FYI... no coming back here to talk about it)
Some people like to role play in Eve.... and that is fine.
I like to play eve as I live in RL... but that is just me.
Truthfully I don't care what makes you tick. I don't care who you scam either. I'm getting double troll points out of this though for both being here to **** on your reputation and getting to say "I told you so, ******." to all the ignorant morons you rip off whenever you decide you have enough to do so.
I, like any good opportunist in Eve, have thought about reputation-building and IPOs and such as a means to an end of an "epic scam", but it's really not worth the effort. Everybody who came before you to do what you are doing now has always tried to trump up just how much they got away with. If you have to lie about how much you took with your scam, chances are it wasn't worth the effort you put into it.
Good luck Fitz!
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:47:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Fintroll
Ricdic is the most obvious scanner of them all. Any IPO that involves the word "BANK" is more suspect than the rest. History repeats itself.
You are absolutely correct 100%. I have been doing a LOT of exploration over the past couple of months in anticipation of wormholes and just having a lot of fun finding and clearing the local LADAR/RADAR etc sites. There's a lot of money in exploration Fintroll, I can give you some pointers later if you want. |
Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 01:53:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ricdic
....a lot of money in exploration ...
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 01:57:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Trading Bunnz
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
...Guilt by association is a big thing around here...
- Xabier, CODE RED ALLIANCE
Unless I typed this guys name wrong... I don't see him ever being in Code Red. (I'm at work so I'll check again tonight)
Nope.
XABIER was never in Code Red Alliance. |
Fintroll
Endemic Aggression
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Posted - 2009.01.24 02:19:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Fintroll
Ricdic is the most obvious scanner of them all. Any IPO that involves the word "BANK" is more suspect than the rest. History repeats itself.
You are absolutely correct 100%. I have been doing a LOT of exploration over the past couple of months in anticipation of wormholes and just having a lot of fun finding and clearing the local LADAR/RADAR etc sites. There's a lot of money in exploration Fintroll, I can give you some pointers later if you want.
i'd wallet-stomp you too
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.24 02:34:00 -
[60]
I haven't been keeping up, but has Fitz's reputation been destroyed yet by the, no doubt, iron-clad accusations? I really hope you can get it destroyed tonight. I'm going to be real busy later this weekend and probably won't have a lot of time to monitor this very important thread.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.01.24 04:03:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Fintroll
i'd wallet-stomp you too
I don't even carry a wallet anymore, instead I stuff all my isk into the pockets of 500 ninja midgets who follow me around.
I also stopped wearing pants since I don't need the pockets anymore.
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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iHaveHerpes
Black Lunar Underworld Network Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.24 04:55:00 -
[62]
Edited by: iHaveHerpes on 24/01/2009 05:03:34
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Trading Bunnz
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
...Guilt by association is a big thing around here...
- Xabier, CODE RED ALLIANCE
Unless I typed this guys name wrong... I don't see him ever being in Code Red. (I'm at work so I'll check again tonight)
Nope.
XABIER was never in Code Red Alliance.
However, he was in multiple corps that were a part of code red, and had left for what ever reasons, perhaps even to "distance" themselves from fitz in order to maybe allow him to stay in the clear? Thoughts anyone? Xabier was in 2 code red corps, including THE SORORITY twice, which until 12/21, was part of code red.
-EDIT-
Matter of fact, Xabier was in code red from october to january, so he most certainly was in code red more than once, and fitz's last statement is false. Check Xabier's employment and those corps alliance history.
TIMELINE:
06/30/08 THE SORORITY joins Code Red Alliance
09/21/08 THE SORORITY leaves Code Red Alliance
08/11/08 Xabier joins Tacos Revolution
10/23/08 Xabier leaves Tacos Revolution and joins THE SORORITY
10/24/04 THE SORORITY joins Code Red Alliance
11/06/2008 Tacos Revolution joins Code Red Alliance
12/21/08 THE SORORITY leaves Code Red Alliance
So not only was Xabier involved with multiple corps within Code Red, he was also IN Code Red from 10/24/2008 - 12/21/2008. Seems to contradict Fitz's statement just a little bit.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 05:12:00 -
[63]
Originally by: iHaveHerpes
So not only was Xabier involved with multiple corps within Code Red, he was also IN Code Red from 10/24/2008 - 12/21/2008. Seems to contradict Fitz's statement just a little bit.
I stand corrected....
(Shows how little I pay attention to what corps are part of Code Red) 
You have to realise the main purpose for NEWO being in Code Red is to have some 0.0 pew pew and 0.0 mining. Who we did it with didn't much matter. |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.01.24 05:17:00 -
[64]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/01/2009 05:20:49
Originally by: iHaveHerpes
However, he was in multiple corps that were a part of code red, and had left for what ever reasons, perhaps even to "distance" themselves from fitz in order to maybe allow him to stay in the clear? Thoughts anyone?
Fritz is probably German, Xabier and evn are Russians. That's all I can say without catching herpes myself. Consider your ass warned though.
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.01.24 06:54:00 -
[65]
Nice, a few trolls trying to find a scapegoat. Wanting to lynch Fitz because he was once in the same alliance that Xabier was once in? Seriously it's ridiculous how much you people are going on about this.
Code Red Alliance consists of 131 members. If they were all in the same corp it would be different but alliance? Has the alliance executor or diplomat vocally advised that he wants scammers to join?
Anyway it's all a non-issue. Fitz isn't asking for anyones money. If it's a scam he's doing it poorly as he's not actually raising anything. Frankly Fitz if you want to skip all the crud and one day decide to get funding give me a bell.
Whilst I can't guarantee acceptance of any offer I can guarantee that I won't judge you personally based on the actions of two others in a different corporation who were once members of your alliance when you weren't.
Grow up people, take your crud back to C&P, come back when you get hair under your armpits. |
Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.24 07:16:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ricdics
Edited by: Ricdics on 24/01/2009 07:07:11
Nice, a few trolls trying to find a scapegoat. Wanting to lynch Fitz because he was once in the same alliance that Xabier was once in? Seriously it's ridiculous how much you people are going on about this.
Code Red Alliance consists of 131 members. If they were all in the same corp it would be different but alliance? Has the alliance executor or diplomat vocally advised that he wants scammers to join?
Anyway it's all a non-issue. Fitz isn't asking for anyones money. If it's a scam he's doing it poorly as he's not actually raising anything. Frankly Fitz if you want to skip all the crud and one day decide to get funding give me a bell.
Whilst I can't guarantee acceptance of any offer I can guarantee that I won't judge you personally based on the actions of two others in a different corporation who were once members of your alliance when you weren't.
Grow up people, take your crud back to C&P, come back when you get hair under your arms.
Can I get a loan too where you don't look at my history or that of my corp/alliance?
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.24 07:54:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Ricdics
Edited by: Ricdics on 24/01/2009 07:07:11
Nice, a few trolls trying to find a scapegoat. Wanting to lynch Fitz because he was once in the same alliance that Xabier was once in? Seriously it's ridiculous how much you people are going on about this.
Code Red Alliance consists of 131 members. If they were all in the same corp it would be different but alliance? Has the alliance executor or diplomat vocally advised that he wants scammers to join?
Anyway it's all a non-issue. Fitz isn't asking for anyones money. If it's a scam he's doing it poorly as he's not actually raising anything. Frankly Fitz if you want to skip all the crud and one day decide to get funding give me a bell.
Whilst I can't guarantee acceptance of any offer I can guarantee that I won't judge you personally based on the actions of two others in a different corporation who were once members of your alliance when you weren't.
Grow up people, take your crud back to C&P, come back when you get hair under your arms.
Can I get a loan too where you don't look at my history or that of my corp/alliance?
The point here is that Fitz ISN'T asking for a loan
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.24 07:59:00 -
[68]
Originally by: iHaveHerpes
A lot of worthless stuff
What exactly is your point?
During my time in EVE, some of my best friends in certain corps have been scammers. Yes, you heard right. I used to fly with scammers. Non of them scammed people in market discussion however(I would bust their damn *** if they did). Do I condone what they do? Not at all. But do I respect them as people? Sure.
But just because I used to fly with people who are guilty of having scammed others DOESN'T make me a bad person or whatever, does it? Does it make me inclined to scam? Not at all.
This witchhunt is lame. |
Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.01.24 09:48:00 -
[69]
If someone at my place of RL employment steals, that person is disciplined. One persons actions cannot dictate the actions of all. I have loaned funds to people in alliances such as goons before. Guilt by association is not my style. Having said that I always do a lengthier investigation if the alliance or Corp are questionable but I don't assume guilt.
Insured Research and Production Services
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Atima
Minmatar
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.01.24 10:23:00 -
[70]
Members of my alliance have scammed Motherships which is well known however this doesn't make me a scammer, infact it was never used to question my reputation. Alliances are so large that the actions of some members do not reflect on the actions of other members.
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Rillian
Black Lance
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Posted - 2009.01.25 16:07:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Atima
Members of my alliance have scammed Motherships which is well known however this doesn't make me a scammer, infact it was never used to question my reputation. Alliances are so large that the actions of some members do not reflect on the actions of other members.
What are you kidding me? As far as I am concerned you can indeed lump the corp and/or alliance into the Bad reputation file if it allows Scam artists into their fold. as the old adage goes "Birds of a feather flock together"
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