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Exarch	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:38:00 - [1] I really wanna hear what the devs would like me to do with my frig after the next nerf? can't use it for speed.. i put on a mwd and i get insta locked and killed in 1 hit, and AB's are pretty much useless if i can't mount a 10mn. can't run blockades anymore, drones tear them to shreds if u can't outrun them. Same with missiles, even with the missile changes you get hit like a BS if u have a mwd active. so wtf is the point of having a frig or cepter?
Exarch	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:38:00 - [2] I really wanna hear what the devs would like me to do with my frig after the next nerf? can't use it for speed.. i put on a mwd and i get insta locked and killed in 1 hit, and AB's are pretty much useless if i can't mount a 10mn. can't run blockades anymore, drones tear them to shreds if u can't outrun them. Same with missiles, even with the missile changes you get hit like a BS if u have a mwd active. so wtf is the point of having a frig or cepter?
Dred 'Morte	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:45:00 - [3] its ahrd to comment, ccps actions are just pathetic, it makes no sense, specially with the destroyers coming.
Dred 'Morte	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:45:00 - [4] its ahrd to comment, ccps actions are just pathetic, it makes no sense, specially with the destroyers coming.
Scoobee	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:47:00 - [5] ...you serious mate? At the rate things are going frigates will be able to take down a battleship quite easily. Turrets can't hit them, missle changes will make torps and cruise do alot less damage to frigates and drone changes will make heavy drones ineffective against frigates. So if you have anything short of a smartbomb a battleship is almost defenseless against a frigate. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Yeah well you are about to not have a mouth, I mean it, I'll rip it off!
Scoobee	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:47:00 - [6] ...you serious mate? At the rate things are going frigates will be able to take down a battleship quite easily. Turrets can't hit them, missle changes will make torps and cruise do alot less damage to frigates and drone changes will make heavy drones ineffective against frigates. So if you have anything short of a smartbomb a battleship is almost defenseless against a frigate. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Yeah well you are about to not have a mouth, I mean it, I'll rip it off!
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:49:00 - [7] Well Its not that I like all the changes but well I live with it ,BUT the change that MWD¦ing makes you EASYER to hit is plain ¦¦Pointless `` and goes against all the theoryes,physics and current studies and stuff in earth existence I believe.If Einstein could read this forums he would be revolving in his TomB and shouting blasphemies on the wind.You could hear ¦¦OMG WTF`` from the distance.
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:49:00 - [8] Well Its not that I like all the changes but well I live with it ,BUT the change that MWD¦ing makes you EASYER to hit is plain ¦¦Pointless `` and goes against all the theoryes,physics and current studies and stuff in earth existence I believe.If Einstein could read this forums he would be revolving in his TomB and shouting blasphemies on the wind.You could hear ¦¦OMG WTF`` from the distance.
Alexis Machine	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:53:00 - [9] Nah, if he were reading he'd probably say "gee I hope they don't realize I was wrong" It's theoretical physics though, so it's ok to be wrong. Anyway, frigs aren't, and will never be useless. Only the people piloting them. No offence ment, and I'm not flaming you.. but it's true. Just like computers, they're only as good as the person in control. ----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de. if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design.
Alexis Machine	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:53:00 - [10] Nah, if he were reading he'd probably say "gee I hope they don't realize I was wrong" It's theoretical physics though, so it's ok to be wrong. Anyway, frigs aren't, and will never be useless. Only the people piloting them. No offence ment, and I'm not flaming you.. but it's true. Just like computers, they're only as good as the person in control. ----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de. if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design.
Exarch	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:56:00 - [11] i understand mwd maybe needed a little nerfing, and missiles, but now mwd are useless on frigs. You can't use them unless you have a deathwish. and regular ab's.. woot 30% speed. a cruiser or battleship may have the staying power to run a mwd for a few secs and get close. but a frig will just die, and abs don't give enough speed to outmanuever a bigger ship so equiped.
Exarch	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:56:00 - [12] i understand mwd maybe needed a little nerfing, and missiles, but now mwd are useless on frigs. You can't use them unless you have a deathwish. and regular ab's.. woot 30% speed. a cruiser or battleship may have the staying power to run a mwd for a few secs and get close. but a frig will just die, and abs don't give enough speed to outmanuever a bigger ship so equiped.
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:59:00 - [13] Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Ok comparing eve to real life is pointless,but tell an actual combat pilot that his craft must be easyer to hit going very slow than moving at over 2000 km/h,he will probably and then Edit: Uh yeah 2000 km/h not km/s lol
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:59:00 - [14] Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Ok comparing eve to real life is pointless,but tell an actual combat pilot that his craft must be easyer to hit going very slow than moving at over 2000 km/h,he will probably and then Edit: Uh yeah 2000 km/h not km/s lol
Redwolf	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Alexis Machine ... and I'm not flaming you.. but it's true. Just like computers, they're only as good as the person in control. w3rd.
Redwolf	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Alexis Machine ... and I'm not flaming you.. but it's true. Just like computers, they're only as good as the person in control. w3rd.
Kayser	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Well, maybe it's like this: The MWD creates some sort of magnetic field around your ship to speed you up and this field, as a downside, pulls everything towards it, so Shots fired at you get pulled towards you, thats why they hit you better if you use a mwd, or something like that.
Kayser	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Well, maybe it's like this: The MWD creates some sort of magnetic field around your ship to speed you up and this field, as a downside, pulls everything towards it, so Shots fired at you get pulled towards you, thats why they hit you better if you use a mwd, or something like that.
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:20:00 - [19] Quote: Well, maybe it's like this: blah blah So basically the inventator of MWD(in a rp-term) auto-nerfed his own creation,when it actually worked fine earlyer,which imho,turns him into a hmm,I dont think I can find a word strong enough on the dictionary to define him. Anyway,this basically fits the category ¦¦Because CCP wanted it to be this way``,so I keep my rights to post again.I just wish someone could destroy my theory.
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:20:00 - [20] Quote: Well, maybe it's like this: blah blah So basically the inventator of MWD(in a rp-term) auto-nerfed his own creation,when it actually worked fine earlyer,which imho,turns him into a hmm,I dont think I can find a word strong enough on the dictionary to define him. Anyway,this basically fits the category ¦¦Because CCP wanted it to be this way``,so I keep my rights to post again.I just wish someone could destroy my theory.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Kayser Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Well, maybe it's like this: The MWD creates some sort of magnetic field around your ship to speed you up and this field, as a downside, pulls everything towards it, so Shots fired at you get pulled towards you, thats why they hit you better if you use a mwd, or something like that. orbiting a bs in a frig with mwd active is the same as having it inactive. its only if you are stupid enough to be using a mwd to aproach or fly away in a straight line. And really, when games become realistic they become boring, i know i perfer a more challenging game and frigs were way to easy to be effective with before.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Kayser Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Well, maybe it's like this: The MWD creates some sort of magnetic field around your ship to speed you up and this field, as a downside, pulls everything towards it, so Shots fired at you get pulled towards you, thats why they hit you better if you use a mwd, or something like that. orbiting a bs in a frig with mwd active is the same as having it inactive. its only if you are stupid enough to be using a mwd to aproach or fly away in a straight line. And really, when games become realistic they become boring, i know i perfer a more challenging game and frigs were way to easy to be effective with before.
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:37:00 - [23] I think they should buff afterburners to like 100% or 200% speed with no penatly other then the fitting requirments. MWD should remain the same but get rid of the cap and shield penalty god. Just keep the sig radius penalty.
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:37:00 - [24] I think they should buff afterburners to like 100% or 200% speed with no penatly other then the fitting requirments. MWD should remain the same but get rid of the cap and shield penalty god. Just keep the sig radius penalty.
Necrologic	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:50:00 - [25] well, the way i see it is frigs are getting better vs bs and cruisers (except for drones and smartbombs) but worse vs other frigs. In my crusader i rip npc cruisers apart but their frigs just butcher me. Gotta run an amor rep almost constantly... _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Necrologic	Posted - 2004.07.30 01:50:00 - [26] well, the way i see it is frigs are getting better vs bs and cruisers (except for drones and smartbombs) but worse vs other frigs. In my crusader i rip npc cruisers apart but their frigs just butcher me. Gotta run an amor rep almost constantly... _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
PASTOR TROY	Posted - 2004.07.30 02:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Exarch so wtf is the point of having a frig or cepter? um... have you been reading all the changes? Not just the AB nerf? Almost every recent nerf in this game has been made to make frig pilots safer. Wow...I mean once all the proposed changes take place.... turrets cant hit you.. heavy drones cant pwn you, and missiles and torps barely scratch you? What other safety features do frig pilots need? A god mode button?
PASTOR TROY	Posted - 2004.07.30 02:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Exarch so wtf is the point of having a frig or cepter? um... have you been reading all the changes? Not just the AB nerf? Almost every recent nerf in this game has been made to make frig pilots safer. Wow...I mean once all the proposed changes take place.... turrets cant hit you.. heavy drones cant pwn you, and missiles and torps barely scratch you? What other safety features do frig pilots need? A god mode button?
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.07.30 02:06:00 - [29] To say that frigs are useless without 10MN ABs just goes to show how little you know. I have only used a 10MN AB once on a frigate since the changes, and then only because there wasn't a 1MN MWD laying around. 1MN MWDs work just fine as they are. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.07.30 02:06:00 - [30] To say that frigs are useless without 10MN ABs just goes to show how little you know. I have only used a 10MN AB once on a frigate since the changes, and then only because there wasn't a 1MN MWD laying around. 1MN MWDs work just fine as they are. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Kageru	Posted - 2004.07.30 02:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Ok comparing eve to real life is pointless,but tell an actual combat pilot that his craft must be easyer to hit going very slow than moving at over 2000 km/h,he will probably and then Edit: Uh yeah 2000 km/h not km/s lol Ok,heres an easy solution Say your running a microwave k? Say im running a huge ass furnace for smelting iron. Which is gonna show up more on a heat tracking goggles,my furnace of course,im putting out loads more power than you are. Thus its understandable reasonable to assume that MWDS use alot more power than ABS and thus give a bigger signal out of where you are and the ships targetting computer can get a better lock on you. Ps. anyone careing to comment on wht ive said go ahead,i'll be back tomarrow to respond to it.
Kageru	Posted - 2004.07.30 02:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Ok comparing eve to real life is pointless,but tell an actual combat pilot that his craft must be easyer to hit going very slow than moving at over 2000 km/h,he will probably and then Edit: Uh yeah 2000 km/h not km/s lol Ok,heres an easy solution Say your running a microwave k? Say im running a huge ass furnace for smelting iron. Which is gonna show up more on a heat tracking goggles,my furnace of course,im putting out loads more power than you are. Thus its understandable reasonable to assume that MWDS use alot more power than ABS and thus give a bigger signal out of where you are and the ships targetting computer can get a better lock on you. Ps. anyone careing to comment on wht ive said go ahead,i'll be back tomarrow to respond to it.
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.07.30 02:53:00 - [33] 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.07.30 02:53:00 - [34] 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate
Cutter John	Posted - 2004.07.30 03:07:00 - [35] Quote: I really wanna hear what the devs would like me to do with my frig after the next nerf? can't use it for speed.. i put on a mwd and i get insta locked and killed in 1 hit, and AB's are pretty much useless if i can't mount a 10mn. can't run blockades anymore, drones tear them to shreds if u can't outrun them. Same with missiles, even with the missile changes you get hit like a BS if u have a mwd active. so wtf is the point of having a frig or cepter? have you ever tried using a mwd on a frig? its not that bad. sure, you can get targeted faster... but unless you are 70k out from a bs and go directly at it, you wont get hit hardly at all. you'll have a sig radius of 262 max(some caldari frig... kessie i think with catalyzed cold gas mwd) most others will be down near 200 or so. but the speed you get DOES make up for that... i use dual heavy beam lasers on my arma... my tracking speed is .02 rad/s(the fastest long range turrets i believe)... so at 70k, the max transversal velocity i can hit with these turrets is 1400m/s. think you can go faster than that in your frig? of course you can. now if you're webbed and have a mwd active, thats a different story. but outside of webbing range, you really dont have anthing to worry about if you pay attention. My Idea Thread Give Drones Love!
Cutter John	Posted - 2004.07.30 03:07:00 - [36] Quote: I really wanna hear what the devs would like me to do with my frig after the next nerf? can't use it for speed.. i put on a mwd and i get insta locked and killed in 1 hit, and AB's are pretty much useless if i can't mount a 10mn. can't run blockades anymore, drones tear them to shreds if u can't outrun them. Same with missiles, even with the missile changes you get hit like a BS if u have a mwd active. so wtf is the point of having a frig or cepter? have you ever tried using a mwd on a frig? its not that bad. sure, you can get targeted faster... but unless you are 70k out from a bs and go directly at it, you wont get hit hardly at all. you'll have a sig radius of 262 max(some caldari frig... kessie i think with catalyzed cold gas mwd) most others will be down near 200 or so. but the speed you get DOES make up for that... i use dual heavy beam lasers on my arma... my tracking speed is .02 rad/s(the fastest long range turrets i believe)... so at 70k, the max transversal velocity i can hit with these turrets is 1400m/s. think you can go faster than that in your frig? of course you can. now if you're webbed and have a mwd active, thats a different story. but outside of webbing range, you really dont have anthing to worry about if you pay attention. My Idea Thread Give Drones Love!
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2004.07.30 05:25:00 - [37] Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 30/07/2004 05:28:39 I know what im gonna do with my punisher once I get my Taranis... Im gonna stuff it with Hashish and smoke it for the last time... And prove that others may be faster, have more hit points, or more shields.... But My punisher still flies the highest... lord have mercy..
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2004.07.30 05:25:00 - [38] Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 30/07/2004 05:28:39 I know what im gonna do with my punisher once I get my Taranis... Im gonna stuff it with Hashish and smoke it for the last time... And prove that others may be faster, have more hit points, or more shields.... But My punisher still flies the highest... lord have mercy..
meowcat	Posted - 2004.07.30 07:41:00 - [39] have you actually TRIED using a 1mn mwd in combat? i use it all the time (sacrifices for 10mn ab are too much anyway) and i'm always seeing "xxxxx misses you completely"
meowcat	Posted - 2004.07.30 07:41:00 - [40] have you actually TRIED using a 1mn mwd in combat? i use it all the time (sacrifices for 10mn ab are too much anyway) and i'm always seeing "xxxxx misses you completely"
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.30 07:56:00 - [41] Are you kidding me? What am I supposed to do with my battleship after the drone and proposed missile changes go through? I'm glad I trained for interceptors now, bring on the 40 vs 40 frigate lag fests again!
Xelios	Posted - 2004.07.30 07:56:00 - [42] Are you kidding me? What am I supposed to do with my battleship after the drone and proposed missile changes go through? I'm glad I trained for interceptors now, bring on the 40 vs 40 frigate lag fests again!
Hoova	Posted - 2004.07.30 08:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Exarch I really wanna hear what the devs would like me to do with my frig after the next nerf? Why do people always ask questions like this? Everytime a "nerf" has come around people have adapted. Every single major or minor patch in the last 7 months that I've seen, people ask the same thing: "oh my how will I ever do <insert fav moan here>". Seriously, don't worry about it, you'll find a way to use that frig.
Hoova	Posted - 2004.07.30 08:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Exarch I really wanna hear what the devs would like me to do with my frig after the next nerf? Why do people always ask questions like this? Everytime a "nerf" has come around people have adapted. Every single major or minor patch in the last 7 months that I've seen, people ask the same thing: "oh my how will I ever do <insert fav moan here>". Seriously, don't worry about it, you'll find a way to use that frig.
Nafri	Posted - 2004.07.30 09:53:00 - [45] mhh i wonder, my vigil didnt got instant locked and killed with an 1mn mwd, perhaps you should try it too Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.07.30 09:53:00 - [46] mhh i wonder, my vigil didnt got instant locked and killed with an 1mn mwd, perhaps you should try it too Wanna fly with me?
Liz Bathory	Posted - 2004.07.30 10:02:00 - [47] several things:- a 1mn mwd gives a rifter a sig radius of well over 500 a claw, with interceptor 2 about 150 now.. when npc'ing, it's easy to take apart cruers with or without mwd, thewy stll can;t hit you, and with their missiels can;t either but the frigates will eat you alive with 10mn ab:- 1 50k caracal and 5 saboteurs, no damagre, slight shield denting, dead spawn with catalysed coldgas mwd, same spawn, warped out first time, with 50% struct damage, warped back after repairs, got another saboteur, and again, had to warp out to let cap recharge and armour repair repeat untill what? it's taken so long to ge ot he last saboteur that the first has respawned.. **** this.,. where did i leave the v-s8 ab?
Liz Bathory	Posted - 2004.07.30 10:02:00 - [48] several things:- a 1mn mwd gives a rifter a sig radius of well over 500 a claw, with interceptor 2 about 150 now.. when npc'ing, it's easy to take apart cruers with or without mwd, thewy stll can;t hit you, and with their missiels can;t either but the frigates will eat you alive with 10mn ab:- 1 50k caracal and 5 saboteurs, no damagre, slight shield denting, dead spawn with catalysed coldgas mwd, same spawn, warped out first time, with 50% struct damage, warped back after repairs, got another saboteur, and again, had to warp out to let cap recharge and armour repair repeat untill what? it's taken so long to ge ot he last saboteur that the first has respawned.. **** this.,. where did i leave the v-s8 ab?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.30 10:14:00 - [49] I'm getting REALLy tired of dumb-ass frig warriors who think fitting an MWD makes them get insta-ganked by large turrets. You're meant to be frigate pilots yet you don't have the slightest clue I know what you can do with your frigate, Exarch, but I'm afraid you'll need to bend over and buy some KY. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.30 10:14:00 - [50] I'm getting REALLy tired of dumb-ass frig warriors who think fitting an MWD makes them get insta-ganked by large turrets. You're meant to be frigate pilots yet you don't have the slightest clue I know what you can do with your frigate, Exarch, but I'm afraid you'll need to bend over and buy some KY. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Miso	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:04:00 - [51] I'm almost exclusively a frigate pilot, so this is should be of great interest to me. Guess what? Its not. Why? Cos I'll adapt to whatever CCP decide to change. Why? Cos I'm an adult. Deal with it, or fly something else. The secret is to evolve with the game. -------------------------------------------- Dead
Miso	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:04:00 - [52] I'm almost exclusively a frigate pilot, so this is should be of great interest to me. Guess what? Its not. Why? Cos I'll adapt to whatever CCP decide to change. Why? Cos I'm an adult. Deal with it, or fly something else. The secret is to evolve with the game. -------------------------------------------- Dead
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:12:00 - [53] Edited by: CKOZUK on 30/07/2004 11:13:36 I was in a Battle last night in my frig using mwd, I held down and scrambled 3 BS on seperate occasions and all the time I had an Amrageddon and a Tempest shooting me and not once did they hit me. So you sir know nothing :p The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:12:00 - [54] Edited by: CKOZUK on 30/07/2004 11:13:36 I was in a Battle last night in my frig using mwd, I held down and scrambled 3 BS on seperate occasions and all the time I had an Amrageddon and a Tempest shooting me and not once did they hit me. So you sir know nothing :p The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
Terminus Est	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:24:00 - [55] It just ocurred to me, would't it make more sense that you just couldn't fire any weapons while using the MWD? So it could be used for getting in, getting out, evade, but not agressively? Not something i really thought thouroughly...
Terminus Est	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:24:00 - [56] It just ocurred to me, would't it make more sense that you just couldn't fire any weapons while using the MWD? So it could be used for getting in, getting out, evade, but not agressively? Not something i really thought thouroughly...
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Tenacha Khan Originally by: Kayser Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Well, maybe it's like this: The MWD creates some sort of magnetic field around your ship to speed you up and this field, as a downside, pulls everything towards it, so Shots fired at you get pulled towards you, thats why they hit you better if you use a mwd, or something like that. orbiting a bs in a frig with mwd active is the same as having it inactive. its only if you are stupid enough to be using a mwd to aproach or fly away in a straight line. And really, when games become realistic they become boring, i know i perfer a more challenging game and frigs were way to easy to be effective with before. Additionally: Train Interceptor skill to lvl5 to knock a bit off the sig radius Train Acceleration Control Skill to lvl 5 to help max out your speed Fit A MWD II, more boost, same sig penalty Be in a gang with someone has the skill trained to give you the speed boost (forget name, at work) Fit an overdrive / nanofiber in one of your low slots. I do all of the above and although not invulnerable - I stand a good chance.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2004.07.30 11:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Tenacha Khan Originally by: Kayser Originally by: Sardau Kar Edited by: Sardau Kar on 30/07/2004 01:03:19 Well Im no einstein so anyone care to elaborate WHY a thing moving fast is easyer to hit than something going slow? If you can come up with a logical explanaation besides ¦¦CCP want it this way`` I will shut up and never post again in this forum``. Well, maybe it's like this: The MWD creates some sort of magnetic field around your ship to speed you up and this field, as a downside, pulls everything towards it, so Shots fired at you get pulled towards you, thats why they hit you better if you use a mwd, or something like that. orbiting a bs in a frig with mwd active is the same as having it inactive. its only if you are stupid enough to be using a mwd to aproach or fly away in a straight line. And really, when games become realistic they become boring, i know i perfer a more challenging game and frigs were way to easy to be effective with before. Additionally: Train Interceptor skill to lvl5 to knock a bit off the sig radius Train Acceleration Control Skill to lvl 5 to help max out your speed Fit A MWD II, more boost, same sig penalty Be in a gang with someone has the skill trained to give you the speed boost (forget name, at work) Fit an overdrive / nanofiber in one of your low slots. I do all of the above and although not invulnerable - I stand a good chance.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.07.30 12:03:00 - [59] I swear... The sig penalty is 500% not 500 You have a sig radius oflike 100 in a frigate. Jesus -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.07.30 12:03:00 - [60] I swear... The sig penalty is 500% not 500 You have a sig radius oflike 100 in a frigate. Jesus -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.30 12:21:00 - [61] Edited by: Shade Widow on 30/07/2004 12:25:41 Ive been looking at some of the frigs. Lets say you have a frig that goes (250) <-- dont know exactly which would go that fast. Then you add a 20% faster speed for navigation giving you a 275. Now you add your afterburner which with skills I think its minorly easy to get a 50% on a afterburner? Either way now its 412. If I can remember correctly 250 is a slow speed (I think) Most frigs should be able to go around 475-600 with just one afterburner, and with a decent skill amount. If you have the space to put a second you could raise that to an easy 700-900. If you think those speeds are slow you have obviously been spoiled by MWDs. Remember MWDs are (micro warp drives). 475-600ms is fast enough on its own you dont need to be going 4kms. Not to mention if you lose your frigate to a cruiser because your a bit slower and he hit you... well your frigate costs less. As for the interceptors I think reaching speeds of 600-800 is average for one afterburner. so 2 would be around 900-1.2kms. Thats not slow it just seems slow to what your used to. Also being as fast as you will be and you will be. A interceptor has low sig radius along with frigs which also helps. Also remember you do get your shield and cap back that you have been missing with your MWD and you can use more cap usage items. 400ms is fast I just think MWDs made you lose sight of that.... (rough estimates) ---
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.30 12:21:00 - [62] Edited by: Shade Widow on 30/07/2004 12:25:41 Ive been looking at some of the frigs. Lets say you have a frig that goes (250) <-- dont know exactly which would go that fast. Then you add a 20% faster speed for navigation giving you a 275. Now you add your afterburner which with skills I think its minorly easy to get a 50% on a afterburner? Either way now its 412. If I can remember correctly 250 is a slow speed (I think) Most frigs should be able to go around 475-600 with just one afterburner, and with a decent skill amount. If you have the space to put a second you could raise that to an easy 700-900. If you think those speeds are slow you have obviously been spoiled by MWDs. Remember MWDs are (micro warp drives). 475-600ms is fast enough on its own you dont need to be going 4kms. Not to mention if you lose your frigate to a cruiser because your a bit slower and he hit you... well your frigate costs less. As for the interceptors I think reaching speeds of 600-800 is average for one afterburner. so 2 would be around 900-1.2kms. Thats not slow it just seems slow to what your used to. Also being as fast as you will be and you will be. A interceptor has low sig radius along with frigs which also helps. Also remember you do get your shield and cap back that you have been missing with your MWD and you can use more cap usage items. 400ms is fast I just think MWDs made you lose sight of that.... (rough estimates) ---
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.07.30 12:39:00 - [63] What is it WITH you people and lack of adaption? I've been experimenting with the Kestrel and light missiles, and I've come to the conclusion that a proper kestrel at 20 km EATS CRUISERS ALIVE. Battleships are a problem unless you have five or more pilots. Now, if cruisers were only used more... Stop whining, anyway. I swear, people were spoiled during the bout of imbalance post-Castor. Frigates still rule, only less now. Live with it.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.07.30 12:39:00 - [64] What is it WITH you people and lack of adaption? I've been experimenting with the Kestrel and light missiles, and I've come to the conclusion that a proper kestrel at 20 km EATS CRUISERS ALIVE. Battleships are a problem unless you have five or more pilots. Now, if cruisers were only used more... Stop whining, anyway. I swear, people were spoiled during the bout of imbalance post-Castor. Frigates still rule, only less now. Live with it.
khainestar	Posted - 2004.07.30 12:41:00 - [65] MWD who needs them. I fly a crow with 2 named overdrives and 2 named 1mn abs. I travel at about 1200m/s with a very small sig radius. Most (if not all) battleship weapons have a major headache trying to hit me and some of the cruiser weapons have problems too. Add in the fact that I am traveling faster than light missiles and rockets can travel and I become a real pain in the backside to get rid of. I have used frigs with duel ab's and got a good speed out of them. Lets face it the way its going battles will soon be frigs with some cruiser support and all the battleships mining in empire. ----------------------------------------------------- Pain. Looks great on other people. Its what there for.
khainestar	Posted - 2004.07.30 12:41:00 - [66] MWD who needs them. I fly a crow with 2 named overdrives and 2 named 1mn abs. I travel at about 1200m/s with a very small sig radius. Most (if not all) battleship weapons have a major headache trying to hit me and some of the cruiser weapons have problems too. Add in the fact that I am traveling faster than light missiles and rockets can travel and I become a real pain in the backside to get rid of. I have used frigs with duel ab's and got a good speed out of them. Lets face it the way its going battles will soon be frigs with some cruiser support and all the battleships mining in empire. ----------------------------------------------------- Pain. Looks great on other people. Its what there for.
flummox	Posted - 2004.07.30 13:50:00 - [67] Edited by: flummox on 30/07/2004 13:55:03 Originally by: Miso I'm almost exclusively a frigate pilot, so this is should be of great interest to me. Guess what? Its not. Why? Cos I'll adapt to whatever CCP decide to change. Why? Cos I'm an adult. Deal with it, or fly something else. The secret is to evolve with the game. clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap ... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.07.30 13:50:00 - [68] Edited by: flummox on 30/07/2004 13:55:03 Originally by: Miso I'm almost exclusively a frigate pilot, so this is should be of great interest to me. Guess what? Its not. Why? Cos I'll adapt to whatever CCP decide to change. Why? Cos I'm an adult. Deal with it, or fly something else. The secret is to evolve with the game. clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap ... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.30 15:50:00 - [69] Well it would be fun if there were more frigates and cruisers flying around and just a few BS, I think it would make for a more typical sci-fi big fleet battle. It sounds like the changes will help frigs a little. The sig increase of MWD partially negates their speed bonus. However, any experienced BS combat pilot knows the 2 high slot mods that kills all frigates and ceptors dead on spot. So really with current game mecahnics there is no point to frigates anymore. The mwd just makes the frig as easy and quick to target as a cruiser but dies quicker. If you frig and ceptor pilots are able to attack bs and they cant kill you easily its the bs pilots fault not your expertise, believe me. Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Lentia	Posted - 2004.07.30 15:50:00 - [70] Well it would be fun if there were more frigates and cruisers flying around and just a few BS, I think it would make for a more typical sci-fi big fleet battle. It sounds like the changes will help frigs a little. The sig increase of MWD partially negates their speed bonus. However, any experienced BS combat pilot knows the 2 high slot mods that kills all frigates and ceptors dead on spot. So really with current game mecahnics there is no point to frigates anymore. The mwd just makes the frig as easy and quick to target as a cruiser but dies quicker. If you frig and ceptor pilots are able to attack bs and they cant kill you easily its the bs pilots fault not your expertise, believe me. Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
Hanns	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:10:00 - [71] Originally by: G8torSkull 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate erm wouldnt that give you a sig radius over 1000 and make your easier to target lock than a battleship?
Hanns	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:10:00 - [72] Originally by: G8torSkull 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate erm wouldnt that give you a sig radius over 1000 and make your easier to target lock than a battleship?
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:10:00 - [73] As the late Amarr leader wrote: Those who live by the nerf bat will die by the nerf bat.
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:10:00 - [74] As the late Amarr leader wrote: Those who live by the nerf bat will die by the nerf bat.
Riddari	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:18:00 - [75] Originally by: Hanns Originally by: G8torSkull 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate erm wouldnt that give you a sig radius over 1000 and make your easier to target lock than a battleship? But you have one second to get a lock and fire... ¼©¼ a history
Riddari	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Hanns Originally by: G8torSkull 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate erm wouldnt that give you a sig radius over 1000 and make your easier to target lock than a battleship? But you have one second to get a lock and fire... ¼©¼ a history
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Riddari Originally by: Hanns Originally by: G8torSkull 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate erm wouldnt that give you a sig radius over 1000 and make your easier to target lock than a battleship? But you have one second to get a lock and fire... It doesnt hit the gate at 16km/s it accelarates to a speed of 3km/s tops anything else you see is just lag. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.07.30 16:21:00 - [78] Originally by: Riddari Originally by: Hanns Originally by: G8torSkull 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate erm wouldnt that give you a sig radius over 1000 and make your easier to target lock than a battleship? But you have one second to get a lock and fire... It doesnt hit the gate at 16km/s it accelarates to a speed of 3km/s tops anything else you see is just lag. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.07.30 17:00:00 - [79] Originally by: CKOZUK Originally by: Riddari Originally by: Hanns Originally by: G8torSkull 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate erm wouldnt that give you a sig radius over 1000 and make your easier to target lock than a battleship? But you have one second to get a lock and fire... It doesnt hit the gate at 16km/s it accelarates to a speed of 3km/s tops anything else you see is just lag. either way u cant lock in the time it takes to jump
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.07.30 17:00:00 - [80] Originally by: CKOZUK Originally by: Riddari Originally by: Hanns Originally by: G8torSkull 1mn mwd works well to run blockades lol 2x 1mn mwd on rifter = 16000m/s umm i dont care who u are u cant lock fast enuff to get that ship before it hits the gate erm wouldnt that give you a sig radius over 1000 and make your easier to target lock than a battleship? But you have one second to get a lock and fire... It doesnt hit the gate at 16km/s it accelarates to a speed of 3km/s tops anything else you see is just lag. either way u cant lock in the time it takes to jump

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