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Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.25 21:40:00 - [61] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 25/01/2009 21:43:24 Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Probably because we don't have anything to prove and you guys arn't worth our time. We will just continue ganking you guys like we have been.. and you guys will continue to run away at even the sight of a .SL. ticker in local like you have been. So you are just running your mouth without any incentive to back it up I take it? Way to go champ, thats what the l33t PvPers do I guess /thread
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.25 21:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 25/01/2009 21:41:59 Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Probably because we don't have anything to prove and you guys arn't worth our time. We will just continue ganking you guys like we have been.. and you guys will continue to run away at even the sight of a .SL. ticker in local like you have been. So you are just running your mouth without any incentive to back it up I take it? Way to go champ, thats what the l33t PvPers do I guess Now I know that English is a hard language, but I don't think that word means what you think it means. Here, let me help. in⋅cen⋅tive /ɪnˈsɛntɪv/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-sen-tiv] Show IPA Pronunciation ûnoun 1. something that incites or tends to incite to action or greater effort, as a reward offered for increased productivity. ûadjective 2. inciting, as to action; stimulating; provocative. See, what that means is you guys would have to 'provide us incentive' to come slaughter you some more. And some arranged fight means exactly diddly squat to us, because we have nothing to prove. Who's lost more ships to the other? Who's lost more isk to the other? Oh, that's right, YOU HAVE. So keep running away, it's pretty pr0.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.25 21:55:00 - [63] Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Now I know that English is a hard language, but I don't think that word means what you think it means. Here, let me help. Not really a hard language imo, but not my primary one I'll admit. So I messed up a vocable, bohoo. I'll try to take more care with the other 3 languages I speak I promise... And my point still stands, you dont want an even fight because you're afraid "We dont have to prove anything" is chicken talk tbh.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:04:00 - [64] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Now I know that English is a hard language, but I don't think that word means what you think it means. Here, let me help. Not really a hard language imo, but not my primary one I'll admit. So I messed up a vocable, bohoo. I'll try to take more care with the other 3 languages I speak I promise... And my point still stands, you dont want an even fight because you're afraid "We dont have to prove anything" is chicken talk tbh. Yeah, we're so chicken that we engaged a gang of battleships and command ships with our battlecruisers and a couple falcons and won. :( :( :( You totally found us out, mang. Tears like yours is why I keep playing EVE. It nourishes me. Keep it up, please.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:12:00 - [65] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 25/01/2009 22:12:32 Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Tears like yours is why I keep playing EVE. It nourishes me. Keep it up, please. Tears? Did you miss the point where I said I actually enjoyed the fight? I'm not talking about how falcons are overpowered or unfair (imo they're just fine), my point is you guys are too afraid to fight without em... not that I'd shed a tear over a bunch of muppets chickening out of a even fight
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Seth McKenzee Lets take a look at your KB? http://www.uat.thefinalstand.com/?a=kills" SuperFailSauceKB[/url] "telling everyone the story about how Fear killed a apoc on a gate with his vagabond b/c honestly noone cares". Thanks for the free advertising! Ofcourse you dont care, thats why you and red box spend so much time concerning yourselves with our business and our corp......BECAUSE YOU DONT CARE RIGHT!!!???!!! The problem with you Mr McKenzee is that you are more concerned with ganking and having a killboard efficiency over 80% than you are with having fun and getting a good fight. If we as a corp spent all our time worrying about having bad efficiency we wouldnt bother undocking at all. Or like you, we would spend all our time ganking on a gate waiting for poor unsuspecting morons to jump in and die miserably. Since when have any of you jumped into an eight or ten man gang solo and dominated? Absolutely never! This is why you are so butthurt about Uranus.... We have the balls to take risks and dont cry about losing ships when we are seriously outnumbered. Yourself and your pilots dont pvp....You opportunity gank like most of the pirates in low sec these days. Slackers atleast deserve respect. They are tactical in what they do. Their pilots fly as well solo as they do in a gang. They arent afraid of using what their pilots are trained for. It's a concept that eludes you and Red Box, so you continue to recruit new pilots and new corps into your failing alliance so that you have more numbers than anyone else. When you dont have the numbers you dont engage. You complain about falcons non stop, and yet I manage to kill falcons quite nicely with a raven that is set up for that job. Learn to adapt and diversify instead of whine about what you cant cope with. You can carry on using personal insults and private information that is none of your business to try and justify how much of a failure you are as a pvp'r and a leader. These sorts of things prove just how immature and completely useless you really are. The maturity level in Red Box is that of a bunch of junior high school girls attacking the A student. Dont expect me to lower myself to your level, I dont have the stomach for your pathetic drama. Concentrate on your own corp and your own e drama Seth. You are barely holding on to what you have as it is. You certainly dont have any integrity or dignity left to be proud of. Go with your KB statistics... I am sure one of your pilots will sit on a gate and shoot macro haulers for a few days to pump up the numbers..
Zak Zerachiel Caldari Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:21:00 - [67] Originally by: Lilith Velkor ...bunch of muppets chickening out of a even fight 1) There's no such thing as an even fight. 2) If you're smart, any fight you get into is on your own terms, at your own advantage. You sir, are a moron.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:35:00 - [68] Originally by: Zak Zerachiel Originally by: Lilith Velkor ...bunch of muppets chickening out of a even fight 1) There's no such thing as an even fight. 2) If you're smart, any fight you get into is on your own terms, at your own advantage. You sir, are a moron. This. Also, Lilith, I'd like to thank you for responding to me over and over again trying to defend your e-rep by calling us chickens like we need to prove something to you when you guys hide from us any time we are near just because you're not smart enough to figure out how to fight our gangs and win.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:36:00 - [69] Originally by: Zak Zerachiel Originally by: Lilith Velkor ...bunch of muppets chickening out of a even fight 1) There's no such thing as an even fight. 2) If you're smart, any fight you get into is on your own terms, at your own advantage. That is true, I'd never deny that. What I'm on about is the refusal to engage in a arragned fight on even terms, you know, good sport? Maybe I'm just not taking this game serious enough
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:46:00 - [70] Originally by: Indignant Assault You complain about falcons non stop, and yet I manage to kill falcons quite nicely with a raven that is set up for that job. Learn to adapt and diversify instead of whine about what you cant cope with. Have you even bothered to check that falcon fit on your killboard? So you managed to kill an utterly failfit falcon, good job. Highsec pvp must be thrilling. About personal insults, I fully agree that was way over the top and shouldnt have happened. But then again, dont act like you are the innocence in person, mkay? If you **** people off nonstop they get pretty angry at you at some point.

Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:56:00 - [71] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Indignant Assault You complain about falcons non stop, and yet I manage to kill falcons quite nicely with a raven that is set up for that job. Learn to adapt and diversify instead of whine about what you cant cope with. Have you even bothered to check that falcon fit on your killboard? So you managed to kill an utterly failfit falcon, good job. Highsec pvp must be thrilling. About personal insults, I fully agree that was way over the top and shouldnt have happened. But then again, dont act like you are the innocence in person, mkay? If you **** people off nonstop they get pretty angry at you at some point. Regardless of the fact that that particular falcon was fit for whatever reason like that. It had two jammers on it Lilith ie: It could have jammed to save itself against only two people. You dont always know what someone is going to fit their ship like so you have to learn to go with what you have and make the best of it. That particular corp always fields several falcons and black birds. We have learned to adjust the way we fly against them, most of the time they dock up their bbs and falcons in structure. obviously there is plenty of pvp to be had in high sec, otherwise we wouldnt be getting into the fights we get into. We throw expensive ships at them because thats what we fly. They outnumber us every time with t1 crap. So what......We still engage with the odds against us and have fun doing it. As for your comrads in Red Box... They had no good reason to be angry at any of the members of UAT, other than we left Red Box for greener pastures. They continue to dramatise and get personal and smack non stop and make forum postings about us with personal information and personal insults and we continue to defend ourselves with ingame business only. If you are looking for a higher ground here you wont find one. To be angry at someone you need a valid reason that isnt created in your own heads for the sake of your own drama. Fear and the rest of the members that were in The Final Stand left to do their own thing... Get over it already! This is internet spaceships.... ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:00:00 - [72] What's that, lassie? Falcons got you down?
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:15:00 - [73] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 25/01/2009 23:21:46 Originally by: Indignant Assault As for your comrads in Red Box... They had no good reason to be angry at any of the members of UAT, other than we left Red Box for greener pastures. They continue to dramatise and get personal and smack non stop and make forum postings about us with personal information and personal insults and we continue to defend ourselves with ingame business only. Most guys that have a problem with you had it since the first day we rolled with heretics, and for good reason. While I'm pretty relaxed about stuff like that personally, others are not. And quite honestly, I can understand them somewhat. Again, I'm not defending any senseless smacking that went way too personal, fully agree that was uncalled for in every way. Edit: and since we're posting falcon kills, here is mine. A fairly standard falcon fit I might add, and compared to your kill he even managed to use all his lowslots.
Ferocious FeAr Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:30:00 - [74] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 25/01/2009 23:36:27 Seth: If you had any moral decency you would never bring anything personal into any conversation. What does that tell you about you as a person? You and Redbox really need to acknowledge the concept of respect, it's something that will go a long way in life. As for our killboard, what's wrong with it? Do you even know the type of engagements we have? We aren't sitting on a gate with sniper apoc's killing people who aren't there for pvp. We're getting into massively outnumbered fights. Do we care? The stats really tell the story. We want to pvp and have fun, if you find the need to bash any of our pilots you can arrange a nice fight between the two corps without any ECM. Ever since I left that alliance and CEO of The Final Stand you guys have just dwindled into absolute trash, when we first agreed to make the alliance the goal was never to publicly disrespect anyone. We were to do our job in game and never put our game on forums because at the end of the day, you win fights in game, not on the forums. It's apparent that you and your alliance are content on attempting to win them on the forums because you can't salvage a sinking ship anymore. You are pressing every emergency button you can find to allow for that miserable of an alliance to continue. Oh and as for Indignant Assault not knowing "pvp" uhhh I learned a lot from her in terms of non battleship tactics and how to approach the game. You are well misinformed.... or shall I say brainwashed. Now please, go gate camp some more so that you can build that efficiency. Obviously that is what determines who is good and who is not.
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:44:00 - [75] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 25/01/2009 23:21:46 Originally by: Indignant Assault As for your comrads in Red Box... They had no good reason to be angry at any of the members of UAT, other than we left Red Box for greener pastures. They continue to dramatise and get personal and smack non stop and make forum postings about us with personal information and personal insults and we continue to defend ourselves with ingame business only. Most guys that have a problem with you had it since the first day we rolled with heretics, and for good reason. While I'm pretty relaxed about stuff like that personally, others are not. And quite honestly, I can understand them somewhat. Again, I'm not defending any senseless smacking that went way too personal, fully agree that was uncalled for in every way. Edit: and since we're posting falcon kills, here is mine. A fairly standard falcon fit I might add, and compared to your kill he even managed to use all his lowslots. Yes I do understand. Most of them had a problem with the fact that I was a woman who was running an alliance and that I defended my pilots and tried to solve issues. I do get this. Diplomacy was severely lacking in most of DL and Surge's corp members. There was no other reason as to why they had issues because I rarely spoke during fleet ops, I was respectful to the FCs, always thanked them afterwards for their good work and barely talked to half the people that have issues and many of them have joined since we left and have those same issues (they never met me, how convenient that they dislike me via osmosis) Your corps are full of drama and propaganda and very little facts. Time to just accept that. The only reason that anyone in those corps has an issue is because they didnt like a woman playing a mans game, plain and simple. Considering the trash that has come out of thier mouthes since (right down to calling me a ***** etc) I am fully aware of the type of people you are flying with. If I was a man........ There would never have been an issue and you damn well know it. You could never fault my pvp, any of you, so you have chosen to go the route of trashing my personal life and my character as a woman and a human being.. Thats how pathetic and sad you all are... Back to the business end of eve..... As Fear said, front up and put your money where your mouth is.... We will even bring less numbers and see how it ends up... No ECM needed! Fly safe and have a happy happy day...... o7 ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Seth McKenzee Surge. Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:58:00 - [76] Edited by: Seth McKenzee on 26/01/2009 00:00:15 Originally by: Indignant Assault I do get this. Diplomacy was severely lacking in most of DL and Surge's corp members. [/quote You forgot to add TFS in there. Sadly 90% of that corp hated you too. So if 3 corporations of over 150 people hated you, the odds there seem to speak for themselves unless you're saying all 150 are childish highschool drama queens which you probably will. So stop **ing twisting everything into woe is me bull** Tash. You're not the innocent little non-drama flower you're trying to portray yourself here and anyone who has ever flown with you that you wern't manipulating knows that.
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:08:00 - [77] Originally by: Seth McKenzee Originally by: Indignant Assault I do get this. Diplomacy was severely lacking in most of DL and Surge's corp members. [/quote You forgot to add TFS in there. Sadly 90% of that corp hated you too. Thats why the active members joined my corp and the rest are fixing their sec status so that they can fly with us right?? Next?? The two and a half members that joined you in your drama have been kicked out of TFS already... You might want to change your angles slightly to avoid making yourself look like an idiot Seth.... The walls are closing in. ps: Several of the TFS members/leaders that bought into your drama later came and apologised to me for following your lead down the path of disgusting drama that you initiated them into.... Logic obvioulsy escapes you right now as each of those members that are left in TFS raise their sec status and spend all their time still flying with us in 0.0 and now empire.. Congrats on your 90% statistical error.... No wonder your Alliance is falling apart.... You cant even see when people are actively leaving you and your drama because they cant stand it anymore and going back to the people they have been flying with for years and actually care about. You drove everyone away with your pathetic attempt to witch hunt and string someone up by the neck and you still want to blame me for your own bad behaviour.. People arent stupid Seth, when the dust settles they tend to look at things alot more objectively and realise just where the cause of the trouble stems from. Your wake up call passed you by a week ago and you never even noticed..
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:12:00 - [78] Indignant, I am totally very angry about you derailing this thread. >:( >:( This fred is about how slackers are chicken and stuff!
Ferocious FeAr Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:16:00 - [79] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 26/01/2009 00:17:04 Originally by: Seth McKenzee Edited by: Seth McKenzee on 26/01/2009 00:00:15 Originally by: Indignant Assault I do get this. Diplomacy was severely lacking in most of DL and Surge's corp members. [/quote You forgot to add TFS in there. Sadly 90% of that corp hated you too. So if 3 corporations of over 150 people hated you, the odds there seem to speak for themselves unless you're saying all 150 are childish highschool drama queens which you probably will. So stop **ing twisting everything into woe is me bull Tash. You're not the innocent little non-drama flower you're trying to portray yourself here and anyone who has ever flown with you that you wern't manipulating knows that. First off, including DL and Surge into any statistical figure is pointless because we all know they do not have minds of their own. They were fed bull from the start and it has never ended. You and I know this but you can't come to a public agreement because it will just simply make you look bad. Don't include TFS in your stupid forum drama, they left the alliance for that very reason. They hate the fact that you guys ramble on about stupid pointless bull**. Some may agree, some may not, it really doesn't matter because right now you are left with cannon fodder and endless childish remarks. What a great accomplishment that has been for Redbox. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:20:00 - [80] I would also like to add Seth, that while you sit there on your totem pole trying to convince yourself that I am some manipulative piece of crap for a woman... All these people I seem to manipulate into umm what? pvp??? Because I have never asked for a damn thing from anyone, I am self sufficient in eve... What am I manipulating them with exactly? Flying with me in a gang or something? Are they all so weak and spineless that you think not one of these people I seem to manipulate can think for themselves?? Is that what you think of all of them? Spineless gutless men you fly with every day that are easily manipulated into umm..... What exactly?? I have yet to see any actual proof of any manipulations at all, just your constant desire to scratch for some sort of justification as to why you hate women and are a complete drama queen yourself.. I'm manipulating this conversation on an internet forum that one of YOUR members started right now right??? RIGHT!!???!!!! Yeah you have hit an alltime pathetic low Sethy......Well done!!! ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~

Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:21:00 - [81] Originally by: Indignant Assault Your corps are full of drama and propaganda and very little facts. Time to just accept that. I beg to differ. There wasnt any drama until DL/Surge. came to huola and joined forces with heretics. Thats where the drama started, and you are responsible for quite a big part of it. Still no reason to get personal, but keep the facts straight.
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Indignant, I am totally very angry about you derailing this thread. >:( >:( This fred is about how slackers are chicken and stuff! :((((( ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Ferocious FeAr Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Indignant Assault Your corps are full of drama and propaganda and very little facts. Time to just accept that. I beg to differ. There wasnt any drama until DL/Surge. came to huola and joined forces with heretics. Thats where the drama started, and you are responsible for quite a big part of it. Still no reason to get personal, but keep the facts straight. She was the sole purpose of why heretics stood in our 'forces' for so long. She wanted things to work out and went out of her way to get the 4 corps to accept each other, but you would know that because YOU were there in the conversations we had. Do me a favor and stay quiet. Stop defending your teammates, its just makes you look more ignorant as every minute passes. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:29:00 - [84] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Indignant Assault Your corps are full of drama and propaganda and very little facts. Time to just accept that. I beg to differ. There wasnt any drama until DL/Surge. came to huola and joined forces with heretics. Thats where the drama started, and you are responsible for quite a big part of it. Still no reason to get personal, but keep the facts straight. Lilith When the Heretic Pilot shot one of your members and podded him, I was not even online.. How could I have possibly been part of any of the drama that went down when I was not on the internet for 2 months? When I left everything was perfectly fine and everyone was in gangs together every day with no issues at all. There was one occasion where a heretic member spoke badly to a Surge FC and that was dealt with. I am not responsible for what grown men say and do, I was only responsible for fixing the issues and repremanding the pilot involved. If you want to accuse me of causing drama then atleast come up with something valid when I was actually around... Not blame me for everything that happened while I was gone. Every time any issues arose I dealt with them and tried to keep all parties involved happy. If that makes me the cause of all the issues between Heretics and DL and Surge then god help anyone who tries to solve issues in an internet spaceship game.. I should have behaved like the rest of you and started making forum drama posts about how much of a ho you are..... ????? That always makes things better right?? Or maybe I should gossip about someones personal relationship behind their backs for several weeks till they finally drive those two people out to their own corp because they are sick of hearing about all the drama going on that happens to be none of the people who are gossiping' god damn business?? Maybe I really should lower myself to your levels of integrity and drama?? hmmm???
Greme Amarr Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:31:00 - [85] Originally by: Indignant Assault Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Indignant, I am totally very angry about you derailing this thread. >:( >:( This fred is about how slackers are chicken and stuff! :((((( It's ok, I'll let you have a taste of my drumstick.
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:38:00 - [86] I just want to clarify one other thing to you Lilith Ferocious Fear and I started the entire Pirate Infestation thing. I went to him with the idea and we sorted it all out. Heretics and The Final Stand had been working together for quite some time before that and had no issues in doing so. Deaths Legion and Surge were "INVITED" by Ferocious Fear after the fact. It was both of those corps inability to actually get along with other people that started the issues, not Heretics. DL and Surge convinced themselves they were superior very early on in the peace and continued to get on their high horses as though they were the ones leading the pack. Without Ferocious Fear and The Final Stand and myself leading the way and making the decisions they made... DL and Surge would still be floundering in the systems they couldnt cope with beforehand. I do remember it was myself that sat there for hours cyno'ing in all your cap ships etc long after Heretics and TFS were settled in the system. No thanks necessary... ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Ferocious FeAr Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:51:00 - [87] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 26/01/2009 00:51:39 To add on Indig's comment, I was approached a while ago stating that DL and Surge had issues with TFS being at the helm of the decision making process of the alliance. That basically ruptured our relationship at that point, it was only a matter of time before it fell apart. Let's put this into perspective shall we? Everything the alliance did at the time was done through TFS because no one stepped up. Now, sit back and think about this for a moment....don't you see a pattern developing here? You have issues, you blame others for your inability to adjust to new surroundings. Maybe you all need to understand diplomacy instead of displaying such ambiguity for a individual that had nothing to do with your downfall. ****ing shame I tell you. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:51:00 - [88] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 00:55:26 Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 00:53:39 Originally by: Indignant Assault When I left everything was perfectly fine and everyone was in gangs together every day with no issues at all. From my point of view, it just looked perfectly fine while infact people were boiling below the surface. (could've been resolved probably, but you'd have to know about it first.) Quote: Every time any issues arose I dealt with them and tried to keep all parties involved happy. If that makes me the cause of all the issues between Heretics and DL and Surge then god help anyone who tries to solve issues in an internet spaceship game.. To be honest, I think that didnt do any good. At some point it was clear there were problems that couldnt be resolved anymore, and while I see you had to defend your guys and tried to get it sorted, you got yourself into a position where people projected lots of their anger towards you instead of the offenders. As a good leader, you have to accept you cant make everyone happy, and if you try you dont do any good. And no, I wont partake in any mudslinging on the forums, doesnt spin my wheels. What I say is you had your share of responsibility in this, take it or leave it.
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:04:00 - [89] You seem to misunderstand what a good leader does and doesnt do.. Running a business is the same as running a corp or alliance in eve... Diplomacy is about solving problems and trying to look at all sides.. A good leader doesnt just sit back and let problems brew under the surface and not do anything to solve those issues. This is the reason why DL and Surge dont get on with anyone else... They are incapable of putting difference aside, they have ego and e peen issues and refuse to swallow their pride and do what is best for the entire team.. They are self serving and self important. Why they got involved in an Alliance situation is beyond me... They will invoke one drama after another as to why they cant work with certain people or in certain situations..... it makes them feel better about their own failings as pilots, people and as a whole. I refuse to believe that leadership and diplomacy are about keeping your mouth shut till you finally explode and then go on a two month rampage againt the responsible adult in the situation who tried to resolve issues as they eventuated. I guess my idea of adult relations is far different to most of the supposed adults in your alliance... ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:09:00 - [90] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 26/01/2009 01:11:42 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr To add on Indig's comment, I was approached a while ago stating that DL and Surge had issues with TFS being at the helm of the decision making process of the alliance. That basically ruptured our relationship at that point, it was only a matter of time before it fell apart. Well if you ask me, creating the alliance was a bad idea in the first place as we rushed into it too much without making sure we really get along. Guess that is sorted out now Originally by: Indignant Assault They are self serving and self important. Well, the coin has two sides, which was the root of all problems imo.



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