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JS LiamElms Gallente Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.25 16:05:00 - [31] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Look it wasn't even close to the start time, so it's the team's fault and nobody else's. They don't start matches early, ever. this having happened before is all the more reason for people to not be clueless about it ;P not everyone is a vet at this like you TT... to me, its just sad :(
Rake Mizar Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.01.25 16:06:00 - [32] Originally by: JS LiamElms It was a crow CCP Claw! Yes, but it was a nice Crow. Sorry the match didn't happen, looked like it would have been a fun one.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.01.25 16:07:00 - [33] Didn't you guys use your scanners JS ? Should've seen there was still people fighting when you were checking what your opposing team was fielding
JS LiamElms Gallente Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.25 16:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Didn't you guys use your scanners JS ? Should've seen there was still people fighting when you were checking what your opposing team was fielding hey.. i guess we can do nothing now... but hell we just learnt a lot in a few seconds :P one of the guys had a scanner.. and we noted what was in system. out side of that, you had a lot of highly excited players... well, i off for a few beers... total kill for our next match it is :P
Arial Katana	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:14:00 - [35] CCP fails in this regard, hire a high school English teacher -- or anyone -- that will help explain what the word 'clear' means. It seems to me that this was a CCP blotch and they are passing the buck to the other side to avoid a loss of credibility, which ironically happened anyways.
Bloodlet Eyes The White Aces Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:26:00 - [36] Even though its obvious who I'm cheering for, I find this to be very disappointing. Equally disappointing is the confusion the unclear count down has cause. IMO END means STOP! GO means.... Go i.e. Fight!
Arial Katana	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:27:00 - [37] It could mean the countdown has ended...
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:30:00 - [38] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 25/01/2009 17:31:30 END? not give it away.. in training I always did the count down in a cov-ops. and my count down (would normally have 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 YOUR ALL UGLY)... which never got the laugh I was hoping for... but thats why they call it TRAINING! FC see's go.. YOU GO.. FC see's something else.. FC is to blame.. NOT ANYONE ELSE ninja edit: we even have people ALT tab - so they wouldn't click and move. But maybe thats cause were in FW that we train our guys to a higher level as we don't have the SP
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:32:00 - [39] ninja edit: we even have people ALT tab - so they wouldn't click and move. But maybe thats cause were in FW that we train our guys to a higher level as we don't have the SP
Pewpew Darksyde Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:35:00 - [40] The fact is POS shouldn't have been told to be in the arena when another fight was still going on in local - they were there before they needed to be there and told to watch local when another countdown was still going on for another team. It caused unnecessary confusion.
JS LiamElms Gallente Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:47:00 - [41] Edited by: JS LiamElms on 25/01/2009 17:50:12 i was FC'ing POS.... i was told to watch local for a countdown, I watched local, 1 saw 5 mins been counted, i saw 1 min... told my guys to get ready.. we about to start.... 10s 5s.... i tell them here goes... i see next 'text', i am already in GO mode, he could have said 'you all smell of donkey pop' We'd geared up, ready to hit everything we had... and ready to hit this tourny as a small group of guys facing many big alliances with plenty of isk.... a mountin would have shifted with the sheer wieght of our enthusiam!!! One eye on local, one eye on making sure i hit the right primary. So.. yes, i saw a word, i thought it meant we should start. IF, i held everyone back, and waited... and infact i was wrong... we'd have died. sitting ducks. The realisity is.. we got told to watch local for a countdown, we where sitting there watching the other team right infront of us... and we see a countdown. We moved when the countdown was up. edit: At no point was we told we'd spend 10 mins watching the other team and waiting till the other game had finished. We expected we'd be held off the field till the other team has finished, told to warp in, and then watch local for a count down. Ensuring any countdown didn't happen while we are pumped and ready to fight facing the other side.
Bloodlet Eyes The White Aces Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:50:00 - [42] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 25/01/2009 17:31:30 END? not give it away.. in training I always did the count down in a cov-ops. and my count down (would normally have 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 YOUR ALL UGLY)... which never got the laugh I was hoping for... but thats why they call it TRAINING! FC see's go.. YOU GO.. FC see's something else.. FC is to blame.. NOT ANYONE ELSE ninja edit: we even have people ALT tab - so they wouldn't click and move. But maybe thats cause were in FW that we train our guys to a higher level as we don't have the SP How's it going Evil Synn's? long time no see!
Foolish Bob Caldari The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2009.01.25 17:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Pewpew Darksyde The fact is POS shouldn't have been told to be in the arena when another fight was still going on in local - they were there before they needed to be there and told to watch local when another countdown was still going on for another team. It caused unnecessary confusion. it only caused confusion if you didn't pay attention. Amarr was aware of the problems that other teams had already had with the countdown so were extra careful. If CCP have to start taking account of things like this, then they'll need to put a warning on the box release when it comes out: "WARNING - YOUR SHIP MAY BE DESTROYED WHILST PLAYING THIS GAME"
Sgt Malox Caldari Rukongai Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.01.25 18:35:00 - [44] Originally by: JS LiamElms Edited by: JS LiamElms on 25/01/2009 17:50:12 i was FC'ing POS.... i was told to watch local for a countdown, I watched local, 1 saw 5 mins been counted, i saw 1 min... told my guys to get ready.. we about to start.... 10s 5s.... i tell them here goes... way to go now your marked for death in the next match
JS LiamElms Gallente Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.25 18:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Sgt Malox Originally by: JS LiamElms Edited by: JS LiamElms on 25/01/2009 17:50:12 i was FC'ing POS.... i was told to watch local for a countdown, I watched local, 1 saw 5 mins been counted, i saw 1 min... told my guys to get ready.. we about to start.... 10s 5s.... i tell them here goes... way to go now your marked for death in the next match cause you think i will again after this :P the is enough FC's out there keen to stand up and face the music and take the responsibilities... and my hat go of to every fc out there, cause its the FCs that have to listen to all the whines from so many backset FC's that don't have the Balls to stand up.
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution	Posted - 2009.01.25 18:47:00 - [46] JS, You were told by GM Nova to wait for a 'command to fight', as shown in the log u posted. Not for the end of a countdown, but a command to fight. You freely admit that it would not have mattered at all what the next word in local was, you were keyed and ready. If a sudden issue had come up right at the end and the GM had said 'hold', by your own statement you'd have gone anyway. Excitement is understandable, but an FC has to be able to put that aside to do their job by paying attention to what is going on. Pure and simple. An understandable and forgivable mistake. But still a mistake, and not one made by CCP. Best of luck in the next round, I'm sure your boys and girls will be out for blood :) I like violet more then pink.
Lasar Bonghits	Posted - 2009.01.25 18:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Aegis Osiris JS, You were told by GM Nova to wait for a 'command to fight', as shown in the log u posted. Not for the end of a countdown, but a command to fight. You freely admit that it would not have mattered at all what the next word in local was, you were keyed and ready. If a sudden issue had come up right at the end and the GM had said 'hold', by your own statement you'd have gone anyway. Excitement is understandable, but an FC has to be able to put that aside to do their job by paying attention to what is going on. Pure and simple. An understandable and forgivable mistake. But still a mistake, and not one made by CCP. Best of luck in the next round, I'm sure your boys and girls will be out for blood :) It happenend 100 percent of the time before us and it would of happenend after us. However CCP Claw made changes the fix a problem that was never admitted to be a problem. Odd. We did not know that was a countdown for a fight ending and we didnt even know another fight was still going on. FCs need to be agressive and I know a majority of these no name alliance FCs stumble and cost them points. There shouldnt be bad mechanics in a tournament to prevent a FC frome being agressive. My thought was end of a count down. Silly, yes but so is CCP.
squeezybum	Posted - 2009.01.25 19:22:00 - [48] Originally by: JS LiamElms Edited by: JS LiamElms on 25/01/2009 17:50:12 IF, i held everyone back, and waited... and infact i was wrong... we'd have died. sitting ducks. Erm no you wouldn't have,Because he said END not START
Sgt Malox Caldari Rukongai Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.01.25 19:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Lasar Bonghits Originally by: Aegis Osiris JS, You were told by GM Nova to wait for a 'command to fight', as shown in the log u posted. Not for the end of a countdown, but a command to fight. You freely admit that it would not have mattered at all what the next word in local was, you were keyed and ready. If a sudden issue had come up right at the end and the GM had said 'hold', by your own statement you'd have gone anyway. Excitement is understandable, but an FC has to be able to put that aside to do their job by paying attention to what is going on. Pure and simple. An understandable and forgivable mistake. But still a mistake, and not one made by CCP. Best of luck in the next round, I'm sure your boys and girls will be out for blood :) It happenend 100 percent of the time before us and it would of happenend after us. However CCP Claw made changes the fix a problem that was never admitted to be a problem. Odd. We did not know that was a countdown for a fight ending and we didnt even know another fight was still going on. FCs need to be agressive and I know a majority of these no name alliance FCs stumble and cost them points. There shouldnt be bad mechanics in a tournament to prevent a FC frome being agressive. My thought was end of a count down. Silly, yes but so is CCP. These "no name" alliances as you put it, has nothing to do with the quality of FC's that are actually in the tourney, also think about if the bigger alliances didnt have there 1500 - 5000 members would they hold the sov they do now? quantity will always win now with the constant blob warfare being used, the real alliances are those scraping a living out in npc 0.0 space fighting just for the fun
Calexis Atredies Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:11:00 - [50] Originally by: Sgt Malox Originally by: Lasar Bonghits Originally by: Aegis Osiris JS, You were told by GM Nova to wait for a 'command to fight', as shown in the log u posted. Not for the end of a countdown, but a command to fight. You freely admit that it would not have mattered at all what the next word in local was, you were keyed and ready. If a sudden issue had come up right at the end and the GM had said 'hold', by your own statement you'd have gone anyway. Excitement is understandable, but an FC has to be able to put that aside to do their job by paying attention to what is going on. Pure and simple. An understandable and forgivable mistake. But still a mistake, and not one made by CCP. Best of luck in the next round, I'm sure your boys and girls will be out for blood :) It happenend 100 percent of the time before us and it would of happenend after us. However CCP Claw made changes the fix a problem that was never admitted to be a problem. Odd. We did not know that was a countdown for a fight ending and we didnt even know another fight was still going on. FCs need to be agressive and I know a majority of these no name alliance FCs stumble and cost them points. There shouldnt be bad mechanics in a tournament to prevent a FC frome being agressive. My thought was end of a count down. Silly, yes but so is CCP. These "no name" alliances as you put it, has nothing to do with the quality of FC's that are actually in the tourney, also think about if the bigger alliances didnt have there 1500 - 5000 members would they hold the sov they do now? quantity will always win now with the constant blob warfare being used, the real alliances are those scraping a living out in npc 0.0 space fighting just for the fun Dont knock it till youve tried it, power blocks offer things the little guys cant... cap fleets being an example.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:22:00 - [51] Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/01/2009 01:24:00 Originally by: Soryn Kael The rules are obviously not clear enough.. LABEL the countdowns. Fight Ending in 30 seconds Ending in 10 etc. Fight Starting in 30 seconds Starting in 10 That would solve the problem, just change it so we don't have this happen again. this isn't the reason they lost the match though. after they said "yeah, stop, you broke the rules!" they then broke them again. edit: better yet can someone instead tell me why the blackbird moved? I shouldb't just assume.
Xiong Yoshi Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Didn't you guys use your scanners JS ? Should've seen there was still people fighting when you were checking what your opposing team was fielding [ 2009.01.25 15:11:45 ] Xiong Yoshi > I see astartes on scanner I used my scanner and saw our opponents, but only had a few seconds to process the information before we were told to warp in. On the scanner there were not enough ships to indicate a battle currently in progress. I was typing up the ship types when the order came to warp to the arena.. so I left it at the Astartes which was the predominant type. ------------------------------------------------ There are only two types of ships: those which have blown up; and those which will.
Mystic Bull	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:31:00 - [53] Edited by: Mystic Bull on 26/01/2009 01:37:10 Edited by: Mystic Bull on 26/01/2009 01:33:40 Quote: Otherworld Empire Production vs Uskra'Khan, had a count down timer that the next match Manifest Destiny Vs Fifth Freedom saw and Manifest Destiny got some ships taken out of the match for it. I can confirm MANY was only given a 10 point deduction which we are fine with. No ships were removed. When it's your first time in the tournament and you're geared up for the start it's easy to mess up. We as well were told to watch local and we saw the 30 seconds and then the countdown. We were ready and opened up. When the other team was repped up and we started the second time, it was just like the first and I saw no "ECM Burst" at all. If our team waited to see that to start then we wouldn't have won because we would still be sitting there in pods Had we been disqualified then you would have a team with 125 points that ended up being drove. Just thankful that we all stopped and were allowed to continue. Two matches ran over and 2 teams opened up early after each of those. You that are saying oh well you shoulda known blah blah. You weren't in the situation and be thankful Teams put in a trumendous amount of effort to be here and should be afforded every opportunity to compete. We have all read the rules. The tournament is really well organized and my hats off for that. We just have a glitch that needs to be worked out.
Johnathan Roark Caldari Borgholio's Collective Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:46:00 - [54] Originally by: Mystic Bull Edited by: Mystic Bull on 26/01/2009 01:37:10 Edited by: Mystic Bull on 26/01/2009 01:33:40 Quote: Otherworld Empire Production vs Uskra'Khan, had a count down timer that the next match Manifest Destiny Vs Fifth Freedom saw and Manifest Destiny got some ships taken out of the match for it. I can confirm MANY was only given a 10 point deduction which we are fine with. No ships were removed. When it's your first time in the tournament and you're geared up for the start it's easy to mess up. We as well were told to watch local and we saw the 30 seconds and then the countdown. We were ready and opened up. When the other team was repped up and we started the second time, it was just like the first and I saw no "ECM Burst" at all. If our team waited to see that to start then we wouldn't have won because we would still be sitting there in pods Had we been disqualified then you would have a team with 125 points that ended up being drove. Just thankful that we all stopped and were allowed to continue. Two matches ran over and 2 teams opened up early after each of those. You that are saying oh well you shoulda known blah blah. You weren't in the situation and be thankful Teams put in a trumendous amount of effort to be here and should be afforded every opportunity to compete. We have all read the rules. The tournament is really well organized and my hats off for that. We just have a glitch that needs to be worked out. 10 point deduction is something that we would have been fine with, might not have liked it, but its a lot better then 0 points. POS-Tracker 2.1.0 Hosting
Mystic Bull	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:00:00 - [55] Yeah, it was mentioned in local that we were still in position and the match could continue. We were that close to being disqualified as well. Their tournament, their rules. You get 0 points and have basically no chance to make the elimination rounds dispite the fact that you could be the best team in the tournament. I just wonder if that would have happened to the teams that they never stop talking about on eve radio? I think you should have gotten a deduction on the movement but no one should have on the misunderstood countdown. They were probably just hacked about the whole situation and desided to DQ on the fact that none of the unknowns could possibly compete anyway, right?
BravoFox The Bastards	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:23:00 - [56] I agree with POS. I can certainly see how there would have been a misunderstanding. A legitimate, honest misunderstanding at that. I think that it would not have been too much of a pain to hear them out and talk with the team captains from both sides to work it out. Replacing the ships should take but a mere few minutes, they've got to have an Easy Button in local, they're CCP Devs. Worst case scenario, they could have asked both teams if they could move the match to the end (after the last match scheduled for the day) so they could stay on schedule with all the other matches. In any case, I think if they're gonna use Local Chat as the primary means of communication (which seems odd and low budget) they should specify matches prior to any countdown reminders (i.e. Interbus vs Amarr : 1 Minute Remaining in Match)... also, a little heads up from the GMs in fleet chat would have helped as well. "Ok guys, the Interbus vs Amarr match is almost over. The countdown in local is for them." Now, on POS's fault. You guys should of at least had ONE person in the 'Alliance Tournament' channel listening in on the match prior to yours. I say both sides were at fault equally (CCP & POS) but I don't think it was reason enough to forfeit the match. All possible efforts should be made to NOT forfeit a match. -
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:39:00 - [57] These are the kind of issues we can expect from a single-cluster server with, well, alot of nationalities/cultures represented. I'm not a native english speaker myself and there's quite often I wonder why the hell GM's have phrased their posts in a certain fashion. Dev blogs, posts on forums, talk ingame (SiSi predominantly). Same goes for players. There's alot of confusion from alot of posts. Reading this thread, I see a FC from an inexperienced alliance.. a FC that isn't really typing proper grammar, quite possibly his group knows basic english word/grammar but not phrasing. We also see GM's who fail to communicate on an 'easy'-level. Many cases they put things way too complicated. Judging by the posts here, we also have some instability in the decisions taken by the GM's. Some people get a point deduction, others lose? The blackbird move would've been a second offense, but the team has posted here it was 'moving back to its original position', seems like a perfectly logic thing to do. Game is started too early by one team, movement including. Game comes to a break and fighting resets while other team is reinbursed. First team moves to original spot. Yah, I do understand if the rules won't allow this, because then teams can just do a fake-mistake and move around their ships freely in the confusion to get a better start position. But on the other hand, this was one ship, moving in a direction he wanted to do? Then letting him stay there would already let him go in a 'better' position than the original.. ..either way, I'm just throwing out thoughts here. Damn happy CCP is doing the tourneys, they're great to watch, cheers for that. Just hoping CCP finally, at some point, will realise how horrible they are at communicating. They struggle over and over again to talk to customers. It's a bit sad that an awsome game like this, has such horrible people working with customer relations, since.. well obviously they shouldn't. As for the parties involved, I know nother of either side, just saw an opportunity to whine (again) over the only thing I'm really ****ed at in this game. Communication.
Babbette The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.26 06:15:00 - [58] This kind of thing has happened in an earlier tournament. It's too bad CCP hasn't found a better way to handle things yet. Seems like a separate chat channel for all people (both teams and the judges) in a given match would cut down on confusion.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:27:00 - [59] im with POS on this one. throwing around rules they were actually sticking to, to the best of their knowledge. it's day one and it's not like everybody is taking part for the sixth time. misunderstanding the usual lack of communication from CCP is something everybody can relate to that doesn't have the powers on msn - putting the gist back into logistics
Anon Amarr Amarr Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:47:00 - [60] Seems to me ccp might want to consider creating a channel for each match in the future, so that they can more easily communicate stuff like "watch local" when the time comes. Having said that, Im sorry we didnt all get a good fight out of it, but its ccps game, rules, umpires and decision. I think its a bit odd that the problems occured, seemingly onesided all the time, but I also respect the fact that most of us werent there, and that in the heat of the upcoming battle watching the client clock might not have been more important than watching the opposing team =) I think they know the problem exists, they may or may not correct it, and thats that. If you disagree- stop playing or accept it. Good luck Prime Orbital Systems in your upcoming battles!

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