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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:19:00 -
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Metrics I have noticed that measure the decline of Eve.
1. Market activity declining - Jita actually more expensive for items than other systems (Rens)
2. Player counts dropping
3. Ability to type a full sentence in Jita before the window scrolls.
4. Free AUR handed out like candy
5. PLEX bulk offers (overpriced) desperation bundles
6. Local trolling non existent, even the rats jumped ship
What have you noticed as a metric that shows Eve is in decline?
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:23:00 -
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Posting quality is in decline. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:24:00 -
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Soi Mala wrote:Posting quality is in decline.
Yes that's another thing I noticed, the forums threads have slowed up too.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:29:00 -
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prominent figures in the community leaving... like t amber or akita t or someone with a A and T in their name i forget who it was. |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:36:00 -
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I log in at very random times across the 23 hour up time and I see a drop off in server population that is around 10k for what I regularly saw as an average.
The inflation iis something that is needed and is a result of the isk faucet slowing down as numerous alts are no longer loggin in grinding isk, moving stuff, building stuff, etc.
Of course this is all speculation on my part and my opinion could be completely over or underestimated.
Slade |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:37:00 -
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Estel leaving. |
Baralosus
Crimson Empire.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:39:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Metrics I have noticed that measure the decline of Eve.
1. Market activity declining - Jita actually more expensive for items than other systems (Rens)
2. Player counts dropping
3. Ability to type a full sentence in Jita before the window scrolls.
4. Free AUR handed out like candy
5. PLEX bulk offers (overpriced) desperation bundles
6. Local trolling non existent, even the rats jumped ship
What have you noticed as a metric that shows Eve is in decline?
1. Prices fluctuate over time. They rise and fall. Some items are more expensive than others. And Jita hasn't been the cheapest place to buy stuff from the market.
2. Define player count: active subscriptions, people logged on Tranquility, botters botting, physical people playing vs number of alts they are running, etc.
3. This doesn't necessarily mean that Eve is dying. Perhaps at one moment, a lot of people happened to be afk or had their attention shifted somewhere else instead of spamming the local chat with garbage outdated scams.
4. Can I has your Aurum?
5. Desperate? Maybe. Got any supporting info to back up this claim?
6. Trolls are everywhere. Just don't feed them.
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:39:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Metrics I have noticed that measure the decline of Eve.
1. Market activity declining - Jita actually more expensive for items than other systems (Rens)
2. Player counts dropping
3. Ability to type a full sentence in Jita before the window scrolls.
4. Free AUR handed out like candy
5. PLEX bulk offers (overpriced) desperation bundles
6. Local trolling non existent, even the rats jumped ship
What have you noticed as a metric that shows Eve is in decline?
I noticed that i can ignore asshats like you both in game and in forums now.
Goodbye forever *******.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:45:00 -
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Baralosus wrote:
6. Trolls are everywhere. Just don't feed them.
FEED ME SEYMORE !!!!!!! |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.09.13 14:50:00 -
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Rens has always been cheaper, or at least competitive with Jita. In Jita you've got more 'career' salesmen, who regularly buy up all of something just to jack the price up. In Rens that still happens, of course, but not so often. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:07:00 -
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Rens has not always been cheaper :) Especially when I am there.
I actually buy up all the items in Rens and jack up the prices there.
Jita has slowed down and risen in price.
Market activity has declined noticeably that it takes now longer to sell items that would be gone fast.
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:21:00 -
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There was an across the board drop in sales that coincided with the last wave of bot bans and continues to this day. It's my belief the drop in sale is the result of removing market bots, but there are many other theories, the most predictable of them being "EVE is dying!!one1!" |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:27:00 -
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Conclusion:
"EVE is in good condicion"
And wait till winter, atm we still have summer(if that has any effect in you humble opinion) |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:29:00 -
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Winter yeah, thats the patch they nerf the popular ships, also when they dump out 700mb x 3 for the new capitans closets for the other 3 races.
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:33:00 -
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I wouldn't say EVE is dying more like EVE is stagnating at the moment also the PLEX offer did come across as desperate even if it isn't.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:34:00 -
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I hardly log on anymore, not because of incarna (at least, i'm not protesting or anything), i just really am not interested anymore. Guess i've just burned out, tried everything and now i'm bored. I've been playing solidly since march 2007, and i mean solidly, so i guess as far as games go eve has served me well. :)
On the rare occasion i log in to catch up with mates etc, i have been noticing the number of people logged in has declined from an average 40-45k on weekdays, and 50k+ on weekends in my timezone, to roughly 10k less on any day. This can be put down to botters being banned i guess, but likely not, since CCP made a big PR campaign about UNHOLY RAAAAAAGE LOOK GUYS WE BANNED ~2K BOTS, you'd think they'd be all over the place giving themselves public pats on the back and circlejerking about their awesomeness after dealing with 10k bots, or even another 2k for that matter.
But they aren't.
So, it's most likely down to less alts being logged in. This speaks volumes in itself about the poor quality of the client, and carries with it far reaching economic effects. How drastic those effects will be, we can only speculate, but one thing is for sure -
Whether its through bans, unhappiness, or just inability to run the client, a lot less people are logging on, and it WILL effect the game, and the value of isk, isk is now tied to plex, and plex means dorrah for CCP. Eves economy, the core of the game, is in a shakey state at the moment. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:37:00 -
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Well whatever CCP does, this year is 2011, a lot of new games are comming out, if the Winter patch doesn't make it more fun, which it won't, it is simply more nerfs and more capitans closets and large patches, that is their last chance really.
I am playing out my isk as gametime, yearly sub cancelled, currently I have more isk for gametime than eve has lifetime, and my isk is always going up.
No new money from me, that goes to the new 2011 MMO's and Games, and telescopes and accessories :)
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Myxx
Atropos Group
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:37:00 -
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the fact that I can do everything I need to through the mail interface in EVEGate more or less lately. I only log in to switch skills and a few other things. This is actually not a bad thing, imo, and may work to my advantage in a couple months. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:43:00 -
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All i know is im not going to pay or take the time to make isk to keep my accounts active when i have to pay for a swtor sub,buy bf3,D3,gw2. Things need to be done that actually improve fun in this game. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:44:00 -
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Winter patch, the last (lost) hope :)
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Kinta Huron
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.13 15:56:00 -
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Speaking for myself, I lost my Maelstrom in a lvl4 which was my only mission ship and have zero isk so I've been in limbo for almost 3 months now. I still pay and log in to change skills though because I'm addicted to my characters personal progress.  |
Sir HappyPants
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 16:02:00 -
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I used to have two clients running whenever I was playing. Now, with the changes since Incarna, I can no longer run two clients on my machine. Even with the station environment turned off. So I cancelled one of my accounts and waiting to see about the winter expansion for my remaining accounts.
The multiple client nerf (I'm calling it a nerf) is significant imo. A lot of the logged on population might have been semi-afk market players while running missions/fleets/whatever on another client. If it becomes more difficult to run multiple clients on a single machine, then less pilots will be logged in at any given moment.
Also, Incarna is a failure.
Member of the #TweetFleet@thisurlnotfound |
Four OfThree
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 16:04:00 -
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I doubt eve will die - as hard as CCP management is trying to alienate its core player base and destroy it's own creation Eve is still basically the same.
I can agree with the poster that estimated fewer players online at any given time - thats hard to ignore . It is a fact staring at you every time you open the client.
I can also point to a fact that the website that tracks the top ten ISK sellers and graphs the average price has an interesting graph showing the real money cost of buying ISK has plumeted in the last 3 months. Players buy isk - not bots, not RMTers. If demand is that far down it's because players aren't playing.
I can't post a link because this would get pulled but if you want to check the price drop graph of the top 10 ISK sellers since Incarna think mmo and bux (as in slang for bucks - money). |
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.13 16:27:00 -
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One thing is missing to make me believe that EVE is dying : Panic reactions/last minute attempts to please players, from CCP.
What is voiced here alot is the alledged lack of concrete actions to correct situations brought up by the players and/or their representants (CSM) hence, leading to player quitting, leading to EVE dying.
If the situation was like so, then it would be logical to think CCP would act on these grounds and fast unless it has decided to let go of EVE which is totally unrealistic since they have no way to confirm how good their next titles will do.
In short (tl;dr) ; the moment we see CCP in a hurry to accomodate the most player requests as fast as possible, then it will probably be time to panic and call for doomsday.
+1 for the "little shop of horror" reference. Truly a classic! |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 16:34:00 -
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Four OfThree wrote: I doubt eve will die - as hard as CCP management is trying to alienate its core player base and destroy it's own creation Eve is still basically the same.
I can agree with the poster that estimated fewer players online at any given time - thats hard to ignore . It is a fact staring at you every time you open the client.
I can also point to a fact that the website that tracks the top ten ISK sellers and graphs the average price has an interesting graph showing the real money cost of buying ISK has plumeted in the last 3 months. Players buy isk - not bots, not RMTers. If demand is that far down it's because players aren't playing.
I can't post a link because this would get pulled but if you want to check the price drop graph of the top 10 ISK sellers since Incarna think mmo and bux (as in slang for bucks - money).
If this is true, "IF", then what CCP is doing is actually cleaning up the game 
But I can not stress the if enough.
Slade
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.09.13 16:34:00 -
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Four OfThree wrote: I doubt eve will die - as hard as CCP management is trying to alienate its core player base and destroy it's own creation Eve is still basically the same.
I can agree with the poster that estimated fewer players online at any given time - thats hard to ignore . It is a fact staring at you every time you open the client.
I can also point to a fact that the website that tracks the top ten ISK sellers and graphs the average price has an interesting graph showing the real money cost of buying ISK has plumeted in the last 3 months. Players buy isk - not bots, not RMTers. If demand is that far down it's because players aren't playing.
I can't post a link because this would get pulled but if you want to check the price drop graph of the top 10 ISK sellers since Incarna think mmo and bux (as in slang for bucks - money).
I havn't seen those sites tracking rmt and i'm wary about going anywhere close (even a step away) from those sites for fear of key loggers (i'm not technically adept to feel confident blocking or repairing such stuff)
BUT
ISK price on the RMT isn't only demand driven ... like all markets the supply is half the picture.
I can certainly imagine the supply of isk for sale dramatically rising as the players leaving in disgust are probably disproportionately longer term players and longer term players have a disproportional number of huges stores of ISK wealth.
I don't think most long temr players would use such sites.... but even if it was only 1 in 10, if you have 20 people leaving instead of 10 you have twice as much isk from players trying to be liquidated. The RMT companies wouldn't have to have chinese laborers farm as much so there'd be some limit, but still the pressure could be large
What many long term players with huge fortunes might do would be to give some of their isk or just a few ships etc to players still interested in the game who would have other wise used $ to buy ISK even if its just a dozen fully fit battleships thats a handful less purchases. Most people with huge fortunes would proabably just leave their accounts behind with the isk in them....yet those that took the other options could still have an effect.
That sort of thing could mean that the drop in $ to isk didn't point to a loss in players.. just higher supply and more demand being filled by other means (gifts) |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.09.13 17:00:00 -
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Miilla wrote: telescopes and accessories :)
Sweet, saving up for the same at the mo, nothing too pricey, since it is a new hobby of mine :P
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Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.13 17:15:00 -
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When the server crashed last week and had ONLY a 3 minute reboot.
26,000 had been on, and after reboot only 12,000 came back and it took 10 hours till DT for it to CREAP up to 25,000.
I refuse to believe that 14,000 Players got the 'give-ups' after 3 minutes.
That tells me it was 12,000 people PLAYING and 14,000 BOTTING.
There's a Metric fer ya. |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.09.13 17:19:00 -
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Either that or people have come to expect CCP's special GUYS IT'L BE BACK ANY MINUTE NOW
*3 hours later*
NEARLY DONE GUYS
I'm the same, whenever servers go down for more than an "oopsie, starting up again", i just resign myself to the fact it'l be ****** for hours.
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Hicksimus
Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
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Posted - 2011.09.13 17:24:00 -
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The number of offline faction towers in highsec is huge giving me a long list of boring things to shoot. It also indicated players with a level of dedication above casual mission runner know what's going on and are taking their $ elsewhere. |
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