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Four OfThree School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.09.13 17:33:00 - [31] - Quote To this The number of offline faction towers in highsec is huge giving me a long list of boring things to shoot. It also indicated players with a level of dedication above casual mission runner know what's going on and are taking their $ elsewhere. I'm known to be a drama queen but that is what is scary about what's happening to eve....the best and brightest are leaving the country for greener pasteurs.
Abrazzar 97	Posted - 2011.09.13 17:36:00 - [32] - Quote I noticed a price increase for PI POS fuel. Not by much, so I guess some people are merely reducing the number of their alt accounts. Or it's the lack of faction towers that increase the overall fuel consumption. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Anista Aivoras School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.09.13 23:15:00 - [33] - Quote Do you guys actually bother to read the quarterly news letter they release it actually answers a lot of the questions your all quessing about. Lol
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 150	Posted - 2011.09.13 23:20:00 - [34] - Quote Anista Aivoras wrote: Do you guys actually bother to read the quarterly news letter they release it actually answers a lot of the questions your all quessing about. Lol You mean the newsletter they (not so) recently decided not to release any more and instead turn into a yearly one (which may or may not include the metrics we used to get)? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 115	Posted - 2011.09.13 23:40:00 - [35] - Quote Miilla wrote: Metrics I have noticed that measure the decline of Eve. 1. Market activity declining - Jita actually more expensive for items than other systems (Rens) 2. Player counts dropping 3. Ability to type a full sentence in Jita before the window scrolls. 4. Free AUR handed out like candy 5. PLEX bulk offers (overpriced) desperation bundles 6. Local trolling non existent, even the rats jumped ship What have you noticed as a metric that shows Eve is in decline? Sounds more to me like the undesirables finally left. Fly Safe, Die Hard
Large Collidable Object morons. Interstellar Hobos 174	Posted - 2011.09.13 23:57:00 - [36] - Quote Four OfThree wrote: Eve is still basically the same. Partially - on one hand though, they introduced tons of new bugs that make it to inconvenient to play. I'm not very fond of logging in and losing a full highgrade set to sluggish UI responsivity - neither do I want to triple-check if all my skills and modules are applied correctly, if any modules are offline etc... On the other hand, Eve basically being the same is part of the problem - during the majority of the past 6 years, there has always been some changes to adapt to, a new FOTM to train for, new content to explore, but the last few expansions were rather stale. We had PI, but despite liking builder games like civ, I thought it was so poorly implemented it didn't catch my interest - then there were Incursions, which were fun for a week (although more for the idiots warping their pimped golems into there solo and looting them later), but after that, became a mindless, boring grind for isk with the same, repetitive sites over and over again, which I fortunately don't have to do. Then there was Incarna - no content at all, introducing above bugs, NeX and the door... Apocrypha was the last good expansion released, but that's 2.5 years old - and I say that as someone who isn't really into wormholes... Well - just as others, I just log in to train skills, using up my isk for plex - either they release something interesting within the next three years or I'll just quit then... But yeah - had good times with eve and can't say having played another single game for that long... morons are recruiting. You know who you are!
Ira Theos Viziam Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.09.14 02:05:00 - [37] - Quote Miilla wrote: Well whatever CCP does, this year is 2011, a lot of new games are comming out, if the Winter patch doesn't make it more fun, which it won't, it is simply more nerfs and more capitans closets and large patches, that is their last chance really. I am playing out my isk as gametime, yearly sub cancelled, currently I have more isk for gametime than eve has lifetime, and my isk is always going up. No new money from me, that goes to the new 2011 MMO's and Games, and telescopes and accessories :) **************** Miilla? Are you sure we are not Alts for each other? Our situation mirrors each other. It's a shame isn't it... I mean about EVE.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2011.09.14 02:39:00 - [38] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: Four OfThree wrote: Eve is still basically the same. Partially - on one hand though, they introduced tons of new bugs that make it to inconvenient to play. I'm not very fond of logging in and losing a full highgrade set to sluggish UI responsivity - neither do I want to triple-check if all my skills and modules are applied correctly, if any modules are offline etc... On the other hand, Eve basically being the same is part of the problem - during the majority of the past 6 years, there has always been some changes to adapt to, a new FOTM to train for, new content to explore, but the last few expansions were rather stale. We had PI, but despite liking builder games like civ, I thought it was so poorly implemented it didn't catch my interest - then there were Incursions, which were fun for a week (although more for the idiots warping their pimped golems into there solo and looting them later), but after that, became a mindless, boring grind for isk with the same, repetitive sites over and over again, which I fortunately don't have to do. Then there was Incarna - no content at all, introducing above bugs, NeX and the door... Apocrypha was the last good expansion released, but that's 2.5 years old - and I say that as someone who isn't really into wormholes... Well - just as others, I just log in to train skills, using up my isk for plex - either they release something interesting within the next three years or I'll just quit then... But yeah - had good times with eve and can't say having played another single game for that long... Kind of have to agree with LCO there. Cept the WH part. Pretty much it's the only aspect of the game keeping me here. Man, did someone beat you with an ugly stick? I mean really? Can't imagine what you look like in the CQ with the f**ked up lighting and all. But, anyway, I'm getting ready to pick up a new hobby once I complete my research and planning and then, who knows? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Indeira Leinholder Angels of Achura 1	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:05:00 - [39] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: Man, did someone beat you with an ugly stick? I mean really? Can't imagine what you look like in the CQ with the f**ked up lighting and all. Let's keep it civil shall we. LCO is entitled to respect.... reported for hate speech and profanity
Large Collidable Object morons. Interstellar Hobos 175	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:16:00 - [40] - Quote Indeira Leinholder wrote: Let's keep it civil shall we. LCO is entitled to respect.... No I'm not - actually I want Mr kidds babies - just imagine - they'd take over TQ! And yeah - as I said - I kinda liked apocrypha and would probably do wh stuff myself if I was in in need of isk... morons are recruiting. You know who you are!
Kno Bodeesbitch Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:27:00 - [41] - Quote Indeira Leinholder wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: Man, did someone beat you with an ugly stick? I mean really? Can't imagine what you look like in the CQ with the fked up lighting and all. Let's keep it civil shall we. LCO is entitled to respect.... reported for hate speech and profanity I think Kidd reported two people, including Indeira, earlier for calling him ugly. I can't find the posts but I remember reading them so I guess a moderator removed them... @Kidd, I can't believe you actually reported a person and then did the same thing several hours later...I would call you a hypocrite but I don't want to be reported. DO NOT report me! I am NOT calling you a hypocrite! I said I was thinking** of calling you a HYPOCRITE, but I wont go through with it because you have a history of reporting people and I don't want to break any rules. Again for the record you are not now nor have you ever been a hypocrite as far as I am concerned.
Large Collidable Object morons. Interstellar Hobos 193	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:31:00 - [42] - Quote Kno Bodeesbitch wrote: Indeira Leinholder wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: Man, did someone beat you with an ugly stick? I mean really? Can't imagine what you look like in the CQ with the fked up lighting and all. Let's keep it civil shall we. LCO is entitled to respect.... reported for hate speech and profanity I think Kidd reported two people, including Indeira, earlier for calling him ugly. I can't find the posts but I remember reading them so I guess a moderator removed them... @Kidd, I can't believe you actually reported a person and then did the same thing several hours later...I would call you a hypocrite but I don't want to be reported. DO NOT report me! I am NOT calling you a hypocrite! I said I was thinking** of calling you a HYPOCRITE, but I wont go through with it because you have a history of reporting people and I don't want to break any rules. Again for the record you are not now nor have you ever been a hypocrite as far as I am concerned. shhh - we're making love.... morons are recruiting. You know who you are!
Kno Bodeesbitch Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:39:00 - [43] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: Kno Bodeesbitch wrote: Indeira Leinholder wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: Man, did someone beat you with an ugly stick? I mean really? Can't imagine what you look like in the CQ with the fked up lighting and all. Let's keep it civil shall we. LCO is entitled to respect.... reported for hate speech and profanity I think Kidd reported two people, including Indeira, earlier for calling him ugly. I can't find the posts but I remember reading them so I guess a moderator removed them... @Kidd, I can't believe you actually reported a person and then did the same thing several hours later...I would call you a hypocrite but I don't want to be reported. DO NOT report me! I am NOT calling you a hypocrite! I said I was thinking** of calling you a HYPOCRITE, but I wont go through with it because you have a history of reporting people and I don't want to break any rules. Again for the record you are not now nor have you ever been a hypocrite as far as I am concerned. shhh - we're making love.... Going to head to the pharmacy for some anti-nausea meds..please continue this has nothing to do with you...brb...
Large Collidable Object morons. Interstellar Hobos 193	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:46:00 - [44] - Quote It's called antiemetic... OH YES - KIDD YOU STUD...OOOOHHH...AAAAHHH...COLLIDE HARDER! morons are recruiting. You know who you are!
Kno Bodeesbitch Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:49:00 - [45] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: It's called antiemetic... Yes...just got back...unfortunately the tech told me that under the circumstances there simply isn't one strong enough to address the symptoms....
Mr M Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 5	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:50:00 - [46] - Quote Oh yeah, you guys remember how Eve died when Star Wars Galaxies came out? Or how [Star Trek Online/Jump Gate 2/Infinity: The Quest For Earth] became the ultimate Eve Online killer? Maybe, just maybe, people are busy working at the moment. I mean WoW lost 300k subscribers. Write for the Eve Tribune
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:52:00 - [47] - Quote Kno Bodeesbitch wrote: Indeira Leinholder wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: Man, did someone beat you with an ugly stick? I mean really? Can't imagine what you look like in the CQ with the fked up lighting and all. Let's keep it civil shall we. LCO is entitled to respect.... reported for hate speech and profanity I think Kidd reported two people, including Indeira, earlier for calling him ugly. I can't find the posts but I remember reading them so I guess a moderator removed them... @Kidd, I can't believe you actually reported a person and then did the same thing several hours later...I would call you a hypocrite but I don't want to be reported. DO NOT report me! I am NOT calling you a hypocrite! I said I was thinking** of calling you a HYPOCRITE, but I wont go through with it because you have a history of reporting people and I don't want to break any rules. Again for the record you are not now nor have you ever been a hypocrite as far as I am concerned. Reported to the thought police. LCO, comere baby! Say, I bought you a new hat. Don't worry it's supposed to cover your face. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Asuka Smith Royal Black Watch Highlanders 0	Posted - 2011.09.14 03:57:00 - [48] - Quote The main thing I see declining is my desire to come to these horrible new forums to read the horrible old posts.
Kno Bodeesbitch Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2011.09.14 04:01:00 - [49] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: Kno Bodeesbitch wrote: Indeira Leinholder wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: Man, did someone beat you with an ugly stick? I mean really? Can't imagine what you look like in the CQ with the fked up lighting and all. Let's keep it civil shall we. LCO is entitled to respect.... reported for hate speech and profanity I think Kidd reported two people, including Indeira, earlier for calling him ugly. I can't find the posts but I remember reading them so I guess a moderator removed them... @Kidd, I can't believe you actually reported a person and then did the same thing several hours later...I would call you a hypocrite but I don't want to be reported. DO NOT report me! I am NOT calling you a hypocrite! I said I was thinking** of calling you a HYPOCRITE, but I wont go through with it because you have a history of reporting people and I don't want to break any rules. Again for the record you are not now nor have you ever been a hypocrite as far as I am concerned. Reported to the thought police. LCO, comere baby! Say, I bought you a new hat. Don't worry it's supposed to cover your face. I like it! You just keep reporting away! I would engage, but since you are very thin-skinned I don't want to cause you to have to stretch your mouse hand on over to the flag...have fun guys. Named and shamed...my work is done...
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2	Posted - 2011.09.14 04:03:00 - [50] - Quote This explains why I can drop into a serpentis hideout or some other lowly complex and not find a Tengu farming it.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2011.09.14 04:05:00 - [51] - Quote Miilla wrote: Well whatever CCP does, this year is 2011, a lot of new games are comming out, if the Winter patch doesn't make it more fun, which it won't, it is simply more nerfs and more capitans closets and large patches, that is their last chance really. I am playing out my isk as gametime, yearly sub cancelled, currently I have more isk for gametime than eve has lifetime, and my isk is always going up. No new money from me, that goes to the new 2011 MMO's and Games, and telescopes and accessories :) wait i think i remember you when your main said you were unsubbing in a year... did not care then and dont care now... i am having a blast in roaming pvp in pirate 0.0 space... so screw it left side to right for all i care... how about instead of waisting your time with plex for time go fit some ships and loose them in a blaze of gloary atleast then i would care more then a year of b&t(H fest
Large Collidable Object morons. Interstellar Hobos 193	Posted - 2011.09.14 04:08:00 - [52] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: LCO, comere baby! Say, I bought you a new hat. Don't worry it's supposed to cover your face. Why thank you! Bought a beer crate to put on your face (I'm on top). Kno - try Tropisetron... Now let's get going and shut up... morons are recruiting. You know who you are!
Triggadex Black Dawn Merchant Industries 5	Posted - 2011.09.14 05:02:00 - [53] - Quote Infinitio Krystallos wrote: When the server crashed last week and had ONLY a 3 minute reboot. 26,000 had been on, and after reboot only 12,000 came back and it took 10 hours till DT for it to CREAP up to 25,000. I refuse to believe that 14,000 Players got the 'give-ups' after 3 minutes. That tells me it was 12,000 people PLAYING and 14,000 BOTTING. There's a Metric fer ya. Or it was the 14,000 that said "Yea i really should got to bed" CCP Guard's Day \| Wake up --- Make Coffee --- Read and Reply on forums for 7 hrs --- Have meeting --- Sleep on couch in Office
Tyrnaeg en Varche 29	Posted - 2011.09.14 05:39:00 - [54] - Quote Sir HappyPants wrote: I used to have two clients running whenever I was playing. Now, with the changes since Incarna, I can no longer run two clients on my machine. Even with the station environment turned off. So I cancelled one of my accounts and waiting to see about the winter expansion for my remaining accounts. The multiple client nerf (I'm calling it a nerf) is significant imo. A lot of the logged on population might have been semi-afk market players while running missions/fleets/whatever on another client. If it becomes more difficult to run multiple clients on a single machine, then less pilots will be logged in at any given moment. Also, Incarna is a failure. I used to run two accounts too, then when everybody was raging about poor performance in Incarna I dropped all rgaphics to low and used interval 3 to keep the clients running. After a while, i thought, wtf - let's try this : and i changed graphics back to med/high detail. Guess what, two clients run fine, 60FPS each. So, bottomline is: you want two clients? Get a box like mine (Core2Duo@2900, 2GB Ram, 9600 nVidia). See? Not very hard to get a box like that, is it?
Psychophantic 26	Posted - 2011.09.14 05:42:00 - [55] - Quote EVE is dying. So are you. Every minute of every day.
Triggadex Black Dawn Merchant Industries 5	Posted - 2011.09.14 05:50:00 - [56] - Quote Tyrnaeg en Varche wrote: Get a box like mine (Core2Duo@2900, 2GB Ram, 9600 nVidia). See? Not very hard to get a box like that, is it? Let me just go get my old one out of the trash. CCP Guard's Day \| Wake up --- Make Coffee --- Read and Reply on forums for 7 hrs --- Have meeting --- Sleep on couch in Office
Tyrnaeg en Varche 29	Posted - 2011.09.14 05:58:00 - [57] - Quote Triggadex wrote: Tyrnaeg en Varche wrote: Get a box like mine (Core2Duo@2900, 2GB Ram, 9600 nVidia). See? Not very hard to get a box like that, is it? Let me just go get my old one out of the trash. lol, exactly my point mate - this box can run two clients, so what do the people complaining use to run TWO CLIENTS? and what do they expect with worse boxes than this?
BalderAsir Dark Star Horizons 0	Posted - 2011.09.14 06:09:00 - [58] - Quote It has happened before and it will happen again, your gain players, you lose players, but at the end of the day, Eve isn't headed backwards, its still steadly gaining popularity. Yes CCP are annoying with their one track mind to release new features rather than address existing problems, but be thankful these problems aren't major enough to drive people away. I used to play DarkSpace, that died a quick death, still has a few people around, but nothing like the old days
carnivore2k4 PROJECT DEEPSPACE 0	Posted - 2011.09.14 06:23:00 - [59] - Quote Self-fulfilling prophecy anyone? Let's talk it dead until it's dead. The new player experience has actually improved a lot in the last 1.5 years. The game itself hasn't really changed at all in the same time. It still provides enough things to do to keep people busy for a year or two or even longer until they have seen and done everything that can be seen and done. And I can't really understand how anyone can expect a game to be continually interesting for half a decade or more... The only things that indeed kills this games are **** lag protests, *** annoying "we are all doomed" threads, constant whiny complaints, complete lack of constructive or at least somewhat reasonable criticism and the whole negative propaganda that comes along, all generated by a good part of YOU. CCP might have handed out knives, but you are the ones stabbing the game over and over with it. Four OfThree wrote:** I'm known to be a drama queen but that is what is scary about what's happening to eve....the best and brightest are leaving the country for greener pasteurs. Truly... all hope is lost if this were true.
clamslayer Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.09.14 06:28:00 - [60] - Quote Miilla wrote: Metrics I have noticed that measure the decline of Eve. 1. Market activity declining - Jita actually more expensive for items than other systems (Rens) 2. Player counts dropping 3. Ability to type a full sentence in Jita before the window scrolls. 4. Free AUR handed out like candy 5. PLEX bulk offers (overpriced) desperation bundles 6. Local trolling non existent, even the rats jumped ship What have you noticed as a metric that shows Eve is in decline? I CONSIDER MYSELF IN CCP'S CORNER, HOWEVER IM STARTING TO SEE SIGNS OF TROUBLE Mostly the market, it has slowed significantly. Im a trader so i know first hand. 2-6 not that important, the market shows it all. Eve isnt dying yet, but because of lack of new playable content, players are logging in less, and doing less. This explains why my trading strategy has slowed. New content is needed to get things rolling again, new playable content is crucial.

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