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Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this? It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active. Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.) What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay?
Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 517	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:45:00 - [2] - Quote its 3pm EST which means just about everyone who has school or work in the US is offline... not everyone plays every day and some subs are in fact mostly inactive and just used to train skills. some people are inevitably on long breaks but still subbed to eve, i do that alot put on a long skill to 5 and just never log in for 2months. your best bet is to look 7PM EST on expansion day.
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 837	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote Because of Falcon. Also, a lot of accounts are only intended to be used for a few minutes per day or per week. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 326	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:46:00 - [4] - Quote You forgot to factor in the majority of the population: Bots and cyno/market alts. Things are only impossible until they are not.
J Kunjeh 398	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:47:00 - [5] - Quote Eve has only about 10k actual paying individual subscribers, the rest are alts....this much is true. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Victor Twenty Odyssey Space Exploration 24	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:49:00 - [6] - Quote You need to think outside your pod, Its not the same 30k people logging in everyday at the same time. it takes 300k of subscriptions to have a 30k rolling average of players online at any given time. Vic20
Hya Bam It's Hammer Time 5	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:54:00 - [7] - Quote Not everyone plays when you do. The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs. Assuming 300K subs, if every one of them logged in for 2.4 hours per day, and all log-ins are evenly distributed, you would see about the same thing. It's not very strange when seen from that perspective. Is this sig EVE related?
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1217	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:56:00 - [8] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Sorry, I had to take a nap. It should be back up to 30,001 now. Feel better? Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too!
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 301	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:01:00 - [9] - Quote Today another player learns about timezones.
Mara Villoso Big Box The Toy Box 65	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:06:00 - [10] - Quote We all know plenty of people who are logged in for 4 to 6 hrs a day and many for more than that, esp. Jita alts and similar intel/market characters. I doubt the rolling average is a totally different 30k people. Even if we assume that every 4 hrs a completely and totally different set of 30k people is online (totally unlikely), that would be 180k players or roughly half of the total subscribers CCP claims. I can think of no one I know who plays using only one account. Assuming for a moment that they log at least two characters on at a time (and many players have a lot more alts), that 30k is really more like 15k. Going back to our ridiculous assumption that a totally different group is playing every 4 hrs, that's 90k people. My guess is that there is something like 75k to 85k regular, reasonably dedicated actual human EVE players who are online 50% or more days of the week for 4 to 8 hrs per session. There are probably another 50k or so "true" casual players who play two or three times a week for less than 4 hrs. Everything else is alts, trial players passing through, and bots. But its all just guessing.
Neve Talie-Ko EVE University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:10:00 - [11] - Quote Back in the day.... Everquest used to use a figure of 19:1 to balance server loads. They would allow a server shard to have 19 times the maximum load of the expected to play at one time limit. Considering the number of people in Eve with more than one account, 10:1 is not that surprising.
Vetorept Fera Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 41	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:20:00 - [12] - Quote Pro tip: the earf is round, this creates day/night. Some folks sleep at night In pace requiescat
War Kitten Panda McLegion 730	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:23:00 - [13] - Quote Wow. You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is. Here's your sign...
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 680	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:25:00 - [14] - Quote Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs. That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours.
THE L0CK Denying You Access 241	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:30:00 - [15] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs. That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours. Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 326	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:31:00 - [16] - Quote THE L0CK wrote: Adunh Slavy wrote: Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs. That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours. Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted. You may also notice that the number of people on the server is periodic. Things are only impossible until they are not.
Red Maiden Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction -affliction- 17	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:33:00 - [17] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Sorry, you brought up some numbers, so I'm going to argue them, whether you like it or not. This past weekend, on April 15th, I was watching the server population between the US hours of 2-5pm CST. During that time, the population fluctuated between 49k as a low, and 53k at it's peak. I remember those numbers because when the server broke 53k, I shouted about it in the Help channel. Either you're confused about the actual timing of the "weekend peak" and you made an honest mistake, or you're a troll.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 481	Posted - 2012.04.19 19:59:00 - [18] - Quote Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once. 'Nuff said. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast.
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 326	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:00:00 - [19] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once. 'Nuff said. Then you can collectively sue the ISP for not delivering the services they promised. Things are only impossible until they are not.
Cyprus Black Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking 192	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:00:00 - [20] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay? I thought it was obvious , but I guess for some it's not. You see, not everyone in the world who plays eve plays at the same time. Prime time for some may be the middle of the night for others. For me, most who are online are in America or Europe. Very few if any Russians Australians and Asians are online because for them it's the middle of the night. Another fact to note is that not all players play daily. Some barely log in once or twice a week just to fiddle with skill queue. I have two accounts. One is my main and I log in about three or four times per week. My other account only logs in when I need him to haul stuff or to update skill queue. Do you understand now? You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong White-Lotus 543	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:03:00 - [21] - Quote Most palyer log in for about 4 hours a day. so if you see 30k on at a time, that means about 240,000 players logged in that day. Or did you expect everyone is logged in 24/7 everyday?
Makkz Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum 0	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:08:00 - [22] - Quote CCP did a break down a few years ago, there peak time for people online isn't US evening but eurozone evening. US might be the most represented country but the other major countries represented in EVE (UK/Russia/Germany/France/Spain) all pretty much share the same time, ie late Russian evening through to early UK evening.
Tech3ZH Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:11:00 - [23] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs. That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours. I agree.
Tech3ZH Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:15:00 - [24] - Quote THE L0CK wrote: Adunh Slavy wrote: Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs. That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours. Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted. Cool! Thanks Lock!
Plato Idari TK Corp 14	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:24:00 - [25] - Quote Imagine the average player is only logged on for 4 hours per day. Yes there are some bots that mine 23/7 and some players who play for 12 hours a day but there are also a large number of players who play for only 2 hours per day or just log on to update their skill queues. So 4 hours per day average. From what I've seen the server population almost never drops below 20k these days with daily peaks above 40k, I've seen it above 50k around weekend peaks. If we just look at that 20k minimum with the assumed average of 4 hours per day, in order to sustain that population for 23 hours we would need to have 23/420,000 = 115000 active accounts. If we were to eyeball 25k 23/425,000 = 143750 Similarly in order to sustain 50k we would need 23/420000 = 287500 accounts. Now I've pulled the 4 hour per day kind of out of the air. But before we explore that one can see how sensetive to that value this is if we try 3 or 5. 23/325000 = 191667 23/525000 = 115000 So lets see if we can get more accurate numbers: If you look here http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility you will find that the true average seems to fall somewhere between 24,000 and 36,000, lets take that to be say 30,000k. Now lets assume the 300000 published active subscirbers number is accurate and try to calculate the average time that a subscriber plays eve per day. 30000 / 300000 23 = 2.3 hours Thats lower than my initial guess of course, but doesn't seem unreasonable. So I would claim the 300,000 subscribers number is by extension also not unreasonable.
Samuel payne Thorstensen Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:25:00 - [26] - Quote The reason EVE has few players it that the game only have the fanbase it has, if you know what im saying. EVE is not a game that will be as popular as other mmo's, it is just not appealing for "casuals". Only some. I have tried to invite several friends to this game, but they all have barely done a few days of the trial and just given up - but other mmo's they play, sw:tor, wow etc - but EVE not at all. I, who dislike other mmo's except star trek online - like EVE online. And it's sad so few give EVE a chance - though i was lucky from the start, i knew people playing - and i guess that is really what you need to do, if you come into EVE online all alone, the game is boring. I guess EVE will die eventually, we just need to delay that as much as possible.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 482	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:31:00 - [27] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once. 'Nuff said. Then you can collectively sue the ISP for not delivering the services they promised. Lol, learn to read EULA's. If you find an ISP that's bound legally to always be on let me know. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast.
Bane Necran 324	Posted - 2012.04.19 20:36:00 - [28] - Quote Many people just log in briefly to change skills. If it were not for the nature of the skill system, with people keeping accounts subbed just to have them training, EVE would have many less subscribers.
J Kunjeh 398	Posted - 2012.04.19 21:04:00 - [29] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Wow. You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is. A city full of anti-social douchebags...yeah, right, like RL=Eve or something... "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3405	Posted - 2012.04.19 21:24:00 - [30] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this? It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active. Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.) What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay? What percentage of your week do you spend logged into EVE? If you spend 17 hours a week on EVE, then 30k/300k is exactly what you'd expect to see, right? This post brought to you by Maths! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

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