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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:42:00 -
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Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this?
It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active.
Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.)
What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay? |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
517
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:45:00 -
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its 3pm EST which means just about everyone who has school or work in the US is offline... not everyone plays every day and some subs are in fact mostly inactive and just used to train skills. some people are inevitably on long breaks but still subbed to eve, i do that alot put on a long skill to 5 and just never log in for 2months.
your best bet is to look 7PM EST on expansion day. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
837
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:46:00 -
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Because of Falcon.
Also, a lot of accounts are only intended to be used for a few minutes per day or per week.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
326
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:46:00 -
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You forgot to factor in the majority of the population: Bots and cyno/market alts. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

J Kunjeh
398
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:47:00 -
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Eve has only about 10k actual paying individual subscribers, the rest are alts....this much is true. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

Victor Twenty
Odyssey Space Exploration
24
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:49:00 -
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You need to think outside your pod, Its not the same 30k people logging in everyday at the same time. it takes 300k of subscriptions to have a 30k rolling average of players online at any given time.
Vic20 |

Hya Bam
It's Hammer Time
5
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:54:00 -
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Not everyone plays when you do.
The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.
Assuming 300K subs, if every one of them logged in for 2.4 hours per day, and all log-ins are evenly distributed, you would see about the same thing. It's not very strange when seen from that perspective. Is this sig EVE related? |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1217
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:56:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time.
Sorry, I had to take a nap. It should be back up to 30,001 now.
Feel better?
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
301
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:01:00 -
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Today another player learns about timezones. |

Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
65
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:06:00 -
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We all know plenty of people who are logged in for 4 to 6 hrs a day and many for more than that, esp. Jita alts and similar intel/market characters. I doubt the rolling average is a totally different 30k people. Even if we assume that every 4 hrs a completely and totally different set of 30k people is online (totally unlikely), that would be 180k players or roughly half of the total subscribers CCP claims. I can think of no one I know who plays using only one account. Assuming for a moment that they log at least two characters on at a time (and many players have a lot more alts), that 30k is really more like 15k. Going back to our ridiculous assumption that a totally different group is playing every 4 hrs, that's 90k people.
My guess is that there is something like 75k to 85k regular, reasonably dedicated actual human EVE players who are online 50% or more days of the week for 4 to 8 hrs per session. There are probably another 50k or so "true" casual players who play two or three times a week for less than 4 hrs. Everything else is alts, trial players passing through, and bots. But its all just guessing. |

Neve Talie-Ko
EVE University Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:10:00 -
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Back in the day....
Everquest used to use a figure of 19:1 to balance server loads. They would allow a server shard to have 19 times the maximum load of the expected to play at one time limit.
Considering the number of people in Eve with more than one account, 10:1 is not that surprising. |

Vetorept Fera
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
41
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:20:00 -
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Pro tip: the earf is round, this creates day/night. Some folks sleep at night  In pace requiescat |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
730
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:23:00 -
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Wow.
You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is.
Here's your sign... |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
680
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:25:00 -
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Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.
That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours. |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
241
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:30:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.
That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours.
Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
326
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:31:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.
That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours. Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted.
You may also notice that the number of people on the server is periodic. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Red Maiden
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction -affliction-
17
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:33:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers.
Sorry, you brought up some numbers, so I'm going to argue them, whether you like it or not.
This past weekend, on April 15th, I was watching the server population between the US hours of 2-5pm CST. During that time, the population fluctuated between 49k as a low, and 53k at it's peak. I remember those numbers because when the server broke 53k, I shouted about it in the Help channel.
Either you're confused about the actual timing of the "weekend peak" and you made an honest mistake, or you're a troll.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
481
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:59:00 -
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Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once.
'Nuff said. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
326
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:00:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once.
'Nuff said.
Then you can collectively sue the ISP for not delivering the services they promised. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Cyprus Black
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
192
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:00:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay? I thought it was obvious , but I guess for some it's not.
You see, not everyone in the world who plays eve plays at the same time. Prime time for some may be the middle of the night for others. For me, most who are online are in America or Europe. Very few if any Russians Australians and Asians are online because for them it's the middle of the night.
Another fact to note is that not all players play daily. Some barely log in once or twice a week just to fiddle with skill queue. I have two accounts. One is my main and I log in about three or four times per week. My other account only logs in when I need him to haul stuff or to update skill queue.
Do you understand now?
You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
543
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:03:00 -
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Most palyer log in for about 4 hours a day.
so if you see 30k on at a time, that means about 240,000 players logged in that day. Or did you expect everyone is logged in 24/7 everyday? |

Makkz
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:08:00 -
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CCP did a break down a few years ago, there peak time for people online isn't US evening but eurozone evening.
US might be the most represented country but the other major countries represented in EVE (UK/Russia/Germany/France/Spain) all pretty much share the same time, ie late Russian evening through to early UK evening. |

Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:11:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.
That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours.
I agree. |

Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:15:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Hya Bam wrote: The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.
That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours. Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted.
Cool! Thanks Lock!
|

Plato Idari
TK Corp
14
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:24:00 -
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Imagine the average player is only logged on for 4 hours per day. Yes there are some bots that mine 23/7 and some players who play for 12 hours a day but there are also a large number of players who play for only 2 hours per day or just log on to update their skill queues.
So 4 hours per day average.
From what I've seen the server population almost never drops below 20k these days with daily peaks above 40k, I've seen it above 50k around weekend peaks.
If we just look at that 20k minimum with the assumed average of 4 hours per day, in order to sustain that population for 23 hours we would need to have 23/4*20,000 = 115000 active accounts.
If we were to eyeball 25k 23/4*25,000 = 143750
Similarly in order to sustain 50k we would need 23/4*20000 = 287500 accounts.
Now I've pulled the 4 hour per day kind of out of the air. But before we explore that one can see how sensetive to that value this is if we try 3 or 5.
23/3*25000 = 191667 23/5*25000 = 115000
So lets see if we can get more accurate numbers:
If you look here http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility you will find that the true average seems to fall somewhere between 24,000 and 36,000, lets take that to be say 30,000k.
Now lets assume the 300000 published active subscirbers number is accurate and try to calculate the average time that a subscriber plays eve per day.
30000 / 300000 * 23 = 2.3 hours
Thats lower than my initial guess of course, but doesn't seem unreasonable. So I would claim the 300,000 subscribers number is by extension also not unreasonable.
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Samuel payne Thorstensen
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:25:00 -
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The reason EVE has few players it that the game only have the fanbase it has, if you know what im saying. EVE is not a game that will be as popular as other mmo's, it is just not appealing for "casuals". Only some. I have tried to invite several friends to this game, but they all have barely done a few days of the trial and just given up - but other mmo's they play, sw:tor, wow etc - but EVE not at all. I, who dislike other mmo's except star trek online - like EVE online. And it's sad so few give EVE a chance - though i was lucky from the start, i knew people playing - and i guess that is really what you need to do, if you come into EVE online all alone, the game is boring. I guess EVE will die eventually, we just need to delay that as much as possible. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
482
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:31:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once.
'Nuff said. Then you can collectively sue the ISP for not delivering the services they promised.
Lol, learn to read EULA's.
If you find an ISP that's bound legally to always be on let me know.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |

Bane Necran
324
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:36:00 -
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Many people just log in briefly to change skills. If it were not for the nature of the skill system, with people keeping accounts subbed just to have them training, EVE would have many less subscribers. |

J Kunjeh
398
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:04:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Wow.
You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is.
A city full of anti-social douchebags...yeah, right, like RL=Eve or something... "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3405
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:24:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this?
It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active.
Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.)
What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay?
What percentage of your week do you spend logged into EVE?
If you spend 17 hours a week on EVE, then 30k/300k is exactly what you'd expect to see, right?
This post brought to you by Maths! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
47
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:40:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this?
It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active.
Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.)
What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay? It is because you are playing on the European server. The Asian and American servers have roughly the same amount of people on them too. Each of the three servers has around 100k subs at anytime. That is where the 300k number comes from. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
693
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:21:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Wow.
You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is.
Cause most of them are AFK botting out in the suburbs. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
682
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:55:00 -
[33] - Quote
Maybe I'm blind, where does that show the number of individual accounts that logged on in the past 24 hours? |

Holy One
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
184
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:05:00 -
[34] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Because of Falcon.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
694
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:21:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:Urgg Boolean wrote:Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this?
It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active.
Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.)
What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay? It is because you are playing on the European server. The Asian and American servers have roughly the same amount of people on them too. Each of the three servers has around 100k subs at anytime. That is where the 300k number comes from. I dearly hope this is a troll... |

FeAKz
The Scope Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:06:00 -
[36] - Quote
I don't understand why there is so much public concern about subscription numbers lately. |

divanoo
Thirsty Beaver Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:11:00 -
[37] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once.
'Nuff said. Then you can collectively sue the ISP for not delivering the services they promised.
You really are a special snowflake |

Tom Aran
Virtual Democracy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:12:00 -
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FeAKz wrote:I don't understand why there is so much public concern about subscription numbers lately.
with every new expansion coming people are watching them stats to see if it made any difference.
and then complain about ;)
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Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
47
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:34:00 -
[39] - Quote
According to the marketing guy David Reid the average play time session for Eve is 3 hours (see some Dust 514 video for source i forget which one) so 24 hours in a day, 24/3 = 8 play sessions. Don't know the average days per week maybe 5? The number of players online ranges from 20k to 50k on weekends, say an average of 30k.
Summary: 3 hour avg play session 24 hour day = 8 play sessions 30k avg online 8 * 30k = 240k for the day
If on average people login 5/7 days per week then on any given day only 5/7 of the total subs will be online
240k / (5/7) = 336k
There you go 336,000 subs..... of course this is all very rough math and full of estimates but I think its clear enough to see how 30k online can equal a lot more subs Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |

Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
338
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:02:00 -
[40] - Quote
WoW has all 10,000,000 accounts on at the same time every day. Ferox #1 |

Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
26
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:13:00 -
[41] - Quote
The world is round |

Sang-in Tiers
Hedion University Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:52:00 -
[42] - Quote
For me playing EVE means I play when I have time and motivation and same goes for my friends yet I always keep the subs running to train skills for the next time I have opportunity to play.
Also I heard the world is flat. |

Aggressive Nutmeg
180
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Posted - 2012.04.20 04:59:00 -
[43] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Wow.
You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is.
Do the 30 or 40 people you see try to eat your brains? If so, stay indoors until help arrives.
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |

Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.04.20 05:02:00 -
[44] - Quote
300K subs was great, back in 1999. |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
222
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Posted - 2012.04.20 05:25:00 -
[45] - Quote
30K average for 300K is pretty accurate really. 30K x 8 average 3 hr play time is 240K + 60K alts.
If EVE is back down to 300K active, it took a big hit though. It was in the 500K active before the Null Sec signature nerf. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
739
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:27:00 -
[46] - Quote
J Kunjeh wrote:War Kitten wrote:Wow.
You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is.
A city full of anti-social douchebags...yeah, right, like RL=Eve or something...
Analogies and humor aren't your strong points are they? :)
Here's your sign... |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3412
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:42:00 -
[47] - Quote
Skydell wrote:30K average for 300K is pretty accurate really. 30K x 8 average 3 hr play time is 240K + 60K alts.
If EVE is back down to 300K active, it took a big hit though. It was in the 500K active before the Null Sec signature nerf.
No it wasn't.
To the best of our knowledge EVE is currently at or just under 400k subs, which is the highest it's ever been. Assuming Inferno delivers, then I estimate that will hit the 430-450k mark by the end of the year, minus the short term effects of dear Jersey Johnson's botmurder campaign. If the next expansion is aimed at - and succeeds in - reforming EVE's outdated and submediocre PvE, then that should easily take us to 500k.
I make no prediction of the effect of Dust 514, except that at worst I don't think it will cost EVE any perceptible number of subscriptions. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
686
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:55:00 -
[48] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: I make no prediction of the effect of Dust 514, except that at worst I don't think it will cost EVE any perceptible number of subscriptions.
If Dust is a success, that population may well dwarf the Eve population. |

Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
63
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:31:00 -
[49] - Quote
i hve 2 accounts and play at most 5 minutes a day |

Pop Bear
17
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:59:00 -
[50] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote:Malcanis wrote: I make no prediction of the effect of Dust 514, except that at worst I don't think it will cost EVE any perceptible number of subscriptions.
If Dust is a success, that population may well dwarf the Eve population.
I think Dust will easily dwarf Eve''s population, but I think they're gonna have a huge challenge maintaining the numbers and keeping the teeny boppers interested.
Oh and OP is a tard! |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
674
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:07:00 -
[51] - Quote
npc corp poster thinks all eve account subscribers are online playing the game 23/7 |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3418
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote:Malcanis wrote: I make no prediction of the effect of Dust 514, except that at worst I don't think it will cost EVE any perceptible number of subscriptions.
If Dust is a success, that population may well dwarf the Eve population.
Or it may well flop. It's a big risk and frankly, nobody really knows what's going to happen a month after launch, let alone 6 months.
If there are 100k active Dust accounts (defined as having logged in and played in the last week) by the end of the year, I think CCP will be doing well. I think there will be an initial ssurge of interest, greatly boosted by the "what the hell, it's free so why not?" factor, and it's a given that pretty much every EVE-playing PS3 owner will at least take a look. After that? Anyone's guess (and pretty much everyone has made a guess) Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
65
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:58:00 -
[53] - Quote
Posters keep saying 30k "players" and "people." Its only accounts. 30k on at any one time is not an indicator of how many humans are playing the game, only how many accounts are logged in.
Average time per session doesn't take into account the number of people logging in for price checks, skill changes, quick scouting, etc.. CCP has said the average number of accounts per player is 2. But recently we got another stat at fanfest, EVE has broken the 400k "active subscription" mark. Combining the two stats, you get 200k people. Assuming those people play with both accounts logged in at the same time, for 2 hrs per session (previously stated by another poster), thats 16,666 humans playing at any moment in time (or 33k accounts). Which fits the rolling 30k to 40k online number, esp considering both 2 hrs and 2 accounts were rounded down to the nearest whole number. However, I don't think I know anyone who plays for only 2 hrs at a time, nor do I know anyone who has only 1 account, nor does the "rolling" number online stay above 30k. So my personal estimate is that there are probably 140k to 150k or so humans who play EVE. |

Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:25:00 -
[54] - Quote
Thanks to everyone who worked the numbers for me. It now makes sense. I am aware of time zones, and their affect on usage patterns. It just didn't seem intuitive to me that timezone factors could explain an approximately 10X discrepancy between online accounts and paid subs.
Again, thanks for your contributions to this topic, and for the good info that the total number of paid subs is now about 400K. |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
660
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:39:00 -
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I don't understand. Could you all run that past me again? The world is wha? People do wha? Your town has how many people? (You count your alts as people like you?) This is all so complicated.
Hey, what's that big round ball in the sky? It's so....BRIGHT!! I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
109
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:58:00 -
[56] - Quote
There is atleast 20000-25000 players on the servers 23 hours of the day, for 12 of those hours there is an average of 40000. Granted thats just a guess from what I have seen, but I doubt they are all the same people playing 23 hours a day. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
234
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:02:00 -
[57] - Quote
This is exactly what CCP are trying to remove, the high risk on customer churn with large number of accounts a factor of 10 is massive and way too risky as a business, they cannot absorb that, we saw that Incarna time when people quit. That high factor of customer to account ratio is why they nearly ended up bacnkrupt, and could again if dust fails.
They need to add more single player accounts at a higher rate than those with multiple accounts in order to absorb the churn. |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
223
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
Miilla wrote:This is exactly what CCP are trying to remove, the high risk on customer churn with large number of accounts a factor of 10 is massive and way too risky as a business, they cannot absorb that, we saw that Incarna time when people quit. That high factor of customer to account ratio is why they nearly ended up bacnkrupt, and could again if dust fails.
They need to add more single player accounts at a higher rate than those with multiple accounts in order to absorb the churn.
That won't ever happen in EVE.
Meta Game is too forced and was built in years ago to grab multiple accounts cash from the base. Look at can mining as an example. It would have been so much simpler to just put a 40K GSC after anchor but they wanted the Alt hauler accounts. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:45:00 -
[59] - Quote
Skydell wrote:Miilla wrote:This is exactly what CCP are trying to remove, the high risk on customer churn with large number of accounts a factor of 10 is massive and way too risky as a business, they cannot absorb that, we saw that Incarna time when people quit. That high factor of customer to account ratio is why they nearly ended up bacnkrupt, and could again if dust fails.
They need to add more single player accounts at a higher rate than those with multiple accounts in order to absorb the churn. That won't ever happen in EVE. Meta Game is too forced and was built in years ago to grab multiple accounts cash from the base. Look at can mining as an example. It would have been so much simpler to just put a 40K GSC after anchor but they wanted the Alt hauler accounts. Huh, well GSC's are annoying to use when mining with the restrictions on how far apart they have to be etc.
Makes sense to jetcan for hauler or use orca alt. When you put it that way, it definitely is an interesting strategy. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Megos Adriano
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.04.22 22:34:00 -
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I think there's maybe 80k-120k actual individual players. Stoic Assembly Lines is seeking more storks for our herd! Pilots of all ages-áand professions welcome to-ábecome part of our family - we have opportunities for all! For more information, send me an EVE-Mail. |
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