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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Vlayde Riser Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp.
Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP?
..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!?
+14% DPS and +50% more shield and armour hp for buffer tanking. That's actually pretty nice for PvP. Torp CNRs are hard to fit, but can provide devastating DPS.
When CNRs cost 1B? Not nice enough When CNRs cost 240M? Well, yeah maybe... people pay 10x as much for a HAC as they do for a Battlecruiser (after insurance) for a smaller relative improvement than that.
Maybe, I just don't think you'll be seeing that as a standard fit any time soon. |

Havok Pierce
Gallente The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria And here I am the freak, I mission in an assault ship.
Much more interesting that way (exploration plexes for me).
I bring out the lolIshtar that will get the job done if I have to (Ishtar == aggro room, deploy drones, make sandwich). |

Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Havok Pierce
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria And here I am the freak, I mission in an assault ship.
Much more interesting that way (exploration plexes for me).
I bring out the lolIshtar that will get the job done if I have to (Ishtar == aggro room, deploy drones, make sandwich).
Everyone always goes for speed, I much prefer it like that. See that way I can browse the market at the same time too.  |

Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:30:00 -
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BTW, not all faction ships are dropping. I'm using the time frame of immediately before 'nano-nerf' to now.
CNR - hit by 'nano' nerf. Not as desirable for PvE as before, down from 300M to 240m. Navy Mega - hit very badly by 'nano' nerf. Never the top choice for PvE ship, now also terrible for solo PvP. Down from 320M to 240m. Navy Apoc - mostly untouched by 'speed' nerf. Holding at 300m. Fleet Tempest - never desirable for any purpose. Holding at 240m Nightmare - highly desirable for PvE. Up from 800m to 900m Rattlesnake - still useful for level Vs. 900m
So, it all just depends. My thesis was: with higher GTC prices people grind more. That just shows up in cheaper LP-cost-only goods dropping. Pirate LP is unaffected since there is no glut of supply there.
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Waseem
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.29 17:40:00 -
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I would think a "sledgehammer" group of torp CNR's could put out some serious hurt in a fleet fight.
But everything seems to be at range lately.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.29 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Waseem I would think a "sledgehammer" group of torp CNR's could put out some serious hurt in a fleet fight.
But everything seems to be at range lately.
Sure, if we just EFTd at each other. Wanna see a plated & trimarked megathron speed tank torps, even double webbed? Get on sisi and I'll demonstrate. I may not be able to do anything back, but hey.
Ravens are still OK for pos bashing or capship fights. But is being permaprimary worth it for the extra 17% DPS and 30% more EPH? I think not.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.01.29 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear BTW, not all faction ships are dropping. I'm using the time frame of immediately before 'nano-nerf' to now.
CNR - hit by 'nano' nerf. Not as desirable for PvE as before, down from 300M to 240m. Navy Mega - hit very badly by 'nano' nerf. Never the top choice for PvE ship, now also terrible for solo PvP. Down from 320M to 240m. Navy Apoc - mostly untouched by 'speed' nerf. Holding at 300m. Fleet Tempest - never desirable for any purpose. Holding at 240m Nightmare - highly desirable for PvE. Up from 800m to 900m Rattlesnake - still useful for level Vs. 900m
So, it all just depends. My thesis was: with higher GTC prices people grind more. That just shows up in cheaper LP-cost-only goods dropping. Pirate LP is unaffected since there is no glut of supply there.
don't forget the bhaalgorn! its what around a billion?
also note which ones are from pirate factions, and which ones are from heavily farmed empire factions....
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Waseem
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.30 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: Waseem I would think a "sledgehammer" group of torp CNR's could put out some serious hurt in a fleet fight.
But everything seems to be at range lately.
Sure, if we just EFTd at each other. Wanna see a plated & trimarked megathron speed tank torps, even double webbed? Get on sisi and I'll demonstrate. I may not be able to do anything back, but hey.
Ravens are still OK for pos bashing or capship fights. But is being permaprimary worth it for the extra 17% DPS and 30% more EPH? I think not.
Considering a sledgehammer group does not shoot at battleships(atleast none of the sledgehammer groups I have been in)...I don't know how to respond.
You basically confirmed what I posted when you said they are still okay for capships. Last sledgehammer group I was in, was 25ish torp ravens being warped to dreads, not warped to megathrons. I didn't say they were optimal for it, regular ravens would put out a better performance to cost ratio, however people fly what they can afford to loose, and with a good enough group in a fleet engagement putting that extra 100m per ship on the line might be reason for additional bragging rights?
By the way, suggesting I am a EFT warrior was amusing to say the least. I have flown in sledgehammer groups, and have seen that they can be effective if used correctly, and I understand their premise. I didn't even list numbers, I just said I thought they would put out some decent hurt in a fleet fight. You are the one coming back quoting percentages trying to show why they wouldn't be as good. I just looked it as hey if you wanna fly it, fly it. They get additional DPS and defense.
So no, I don't want to see your plated and trimarked megathron speed tanking torps because its just plain stupid that you would even bring something like that to a fleet fight, at least any of the fleet fights I have been apart of.
You might as well bring a noob ship and orbit your own carriers for all the good it would do your fleet.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:20:00 -
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manipulation to get a lot of them for a low price Trashed sig, Shark was here |

PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2009.02.11 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 11/02/2009 17:03:53
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Vlayde Riser Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp.
Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP?
..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!?
Burn Eden had some killer nano CNR's as well as cloaking/sniping CNR setups that would devastate entire alliances.
Ive been on the end of em. They are definitely viable for out of the box thinkers and pvp.
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