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Farouq Rizer	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:05:00 - [1] Back during the missile nerf, CNR prices went down drasticly but went back up after a couple of days. Now, CNR prices are slowely going lower and lower, and it looks like it's not stopping anytime soon. Why now? Is it the speculation that T3 ships might make CNR's useless?
SexTrader Amarr Sex Trade	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:21:00 - [2] One Word 'Chinese'
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:41:00 - [3] Originally by: Farouq Rizer Back during the missile nerf, CNR prices went down drasticly but went back up after a couple of days. Now, CNR prices are slowely going lower and lower, and it looks like it's not stopping anytime soon. Why now? Is it the speculation that T3 ships might make CNR's useless? When you reach 9.9 faction standing you get a 2run bpc for CNR; at the cost of basically 30 diamond tags that are aworth about 1mil each? So really the cnrs cost what a raven does + a little bit more. Now the system basically lives and dies by how many cnrs are being destroyed. Essentially speaking. 9.9 is pretty hard to achieve. Thusly depending on how long you've been doing caldari missions and how many you do per day. Eventually people reach the goal of 9.9 and builds those cnrs. Puts them on the market. Eventually cnrs will reach cheap enough that pvpers could use them as well as they can with raven. Leading to increased destruction of the ships. That will basically be when the ships plateau.
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:41:00 - [4] They went up due to some market manipulation. But mainly because of QR ppl had to train something else than the raven style hull. Their new BS skills have taken hold so they no longer need to fly caldari.
BruisedMoon Amarr VICTIS-HONOR	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:50:00 - [5] I thought it was because of marauders, they were almost the same price as a cnr or other navy bs, they were also a much better mission ship. Which decreased the supply of them and thus they fell. Though I maybe wrong....
Julian Greenwood	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:51:00 - [6] my guess: due to the Scourge Fury buff, a Nighthawk now performs as good as a CNR, beeing cheaper and cheaper to equip/tank
AlexAllgood Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:53:00 - [7] Less demand and a huge never ending supply from farmers.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.27 21:42:00 - [8] I would agree I think it's because people are getting out of their CNRs. More and more I hear missioners reply to mission threads with a non-CNR set up: Nighthawk, Golem, and Paladin being most prevalent. --------------------
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Jason Edwards Originally by: Farouq Rizer Back during the missile nerf, CNR prices went down drasticly but went back up after a couple of days. Now, CNR prices are slowely going lower and lower, and it looks like it's not stopping anytime soon. Why now? Is it the speculation that T3 ships might make CNR's useless? When you reach 9.9 faction standing you get a 2run bpc for CNR; at the cost of basically 30 diamond tags that are aworth about 1mil each? stuff Is that modified or base? 10% for Returning Customers
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:32:00 - [10] Originally by: SexTrader One Word 'Chinese' Black Sun Empire
Iridescent Moon Caldari Iridescent Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.28 01:54:00 - [11] WTS forum just had someone selling 27 CNR's....
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.28 03:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: Jason Edwards Originally by: Farouq Rizer Back during the missile nerf, CNR prices went down drasticly but went back up after a couple of days. Now, CNR prices are slowely going lower and lower, and it looks like it's not stopping anytime soon. Why now? Is it the speculation that T3 ships might make CNR's useless? When you reach 9.9 faction standing you get a 2run bpc for CNR; at the cost of basically 30 diamond tags that are aworth about 1mil each? stuff Is that modified or base? I'm fairly certain it has to be base for the BPC offers.
OffBeaT Caldari KaMiKaZes	Posted - 2009.01.28 04:02:00 - [13] naa.. ravens are a dead ship now. i got one just cuse i can! its cheap enough to fight with now.. i wont a navy Rokh! now we are talking!
OMG ItsATrap	Posted - 2009.01.28 06:24:00 - [14] Originally by: SexTrader One Word 'Chinese' next word... ryhmes with 'who here'
SexTrader Amarr Sex Trade	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:49:00 - [15] Raven Navy Issue Just hit its lowest point selling at 240 mil when will it end!
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:35:00 - [16] Originally by: SexTrader Raven Navy Issue Just hit its lowest point selling at 240 mil when will it end! 3% below reprocess value
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:18:00 - [17] If they continue to drop, then I bet they'll be used much more in small gang fights. They'll be pretty useless in fleet fights since ravens get primaried anyway.
Astarte Nosferatu Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Tasko Pal They'll be pretty useless in fleet fights since ravens get primaried anyway. Who in their right mind uses a Raven in a fleet fight? And no experienced FC will primary a Raven unless there are no other ships around.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.28 17:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Tasko Pal They'll be pretty useless in fleet fights since ravens get primaried anyway. Who in their right mind uses a Raven in a fleet fight? And no experienced FC will primary a Raven unless there are no other ships around. Faction BS will often get primaried simply because they're expensive. Raven used to be a credible anti-support ship (A CNR would be 1/7th more credible), but with the cruise missile nerf, now not so much.
Vlayde Riser Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2009.01.28 19:48:00 - [20] Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:49:00 - [21] Edited by: Clair Bear on 28/01/2009 20:50:47 Except that L5s and macro courier missions are a firehose of LP. While people keep talking about 1000+ isk/LP that's for small time conversion. Good luck cashing out several hundred million LP a month with any other means. To an ISK farming operation 250 isk/lp beats 0 isk/lp. Expect the prices to continue drifting down. A CNR is no longer a desirable PvP or PvE ship. Which means they're not being destroyed in numbers that matter in PvE or PvP. Just like the Fleet Tempest.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Vlayde Riser Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp. Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP? ..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!?
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Vlayde Riser Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp. Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP? ..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!? Gank bait. hehe Interesting character name. If any noobs buy the box expansion, I would expect a slight surge in CNR demand. CNRs are still good all around mission ships for those who can't fly a Golem and don't want to use tracking weapons.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:15:00 - [24] Originally by: nether void If any noobs buy the box expansion, I would expect a slight surge in CNR demand. CNRs are still good all around mission ships for those who can't fly a Golem and don't want to use tracking weapons. Except a Drake with HAMs is better in almost every way for newbie L1-L4 mission running. Cheaper and easier to get into, way cheaper to fit, comprable if not better damage, waaaay better tank, etc etc. CNRs are for people who already have Caldari BS V, Cruise & Torp spec IV and good support skills. Until that point that ship is very lackluster for any level mission running. And the experienced mission runner target demographic already has all the CNRs they need. Not to mention many of them have already trained Amarr BS V and Large Pulse Spec IV. =)
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:23:00 - [25] Edited by: nether void on 28/01/2009 21:25:58 Originally by: Clair Bear Originally by: nether void If any noobs buy the box expansion, I would expect a slight surge in CNR demand. CNRs are still good all around mission ships for those who can't fly a Golem and don't want to use tracking weapons. Except a Drake with HAMs is better in almost every way for newbie L1-L4 mission running. Cheaper and easier to get into, way cheaper to fit, comprable if not better damage, waaaay better tank, etc etc. CNRs are for people who already have Caldari BS V, Cruise & Torp spec IV and good support skills. Until that point that ship is very lackluster for any level mission running. And the experienced mission runner target demographic already has all the CNRs they need. Not to mention many of them have already trained Amarr BS V and Large Pulse Spec IV. =) Not arguing if a HAM drake is better, but from experience I had a heavy drake, and when I went to cruise missiles the time it took to pop a BS was cut more than in half. My skills aren't super high in mission stuff though. My skills are all spread out. edit Not to mention the tankability. My CNR out-tanks my drake without a doubt. I like that, because it means I can look away from the monitor during a mission, hell even take a ****, without fear of popping. lol I've got a 450/650 tank on my CNR right now. The best drake tank fit I could get with my skills is like...450/450 I think. Maybe 500/500.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.28 21:25:00 - [26] And here I am the freak, I mission in an assault ship.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:24:00 - [27] Originally by: nether void Not arguing if a HAM drake is better, but from experience I had a heavy drake, and when I went to cruise missiles the time it took to pop a BS was cut more than in half. My skills aren't super high in mission stuff though. My skills are all spread out. Did you have BC IV at least? Equivalent meta level weapons on both ships? Using the correct DPS implants for the weapon type? And most importantly, was this pre or post 'speed' nerf? CNRs aren't what they used to be, you need a target painter to do full damage on most NPC battleships these days. Don't forget the Drake can fit a gang link just like a command ship. Quote: My CNR out-tanks my drake without a doubt. I like that, because it means I can look away from the monitor during a mission, hell even take a ****, without fear of popping. lol I've got a 450/650 tank on my CNR right now. The best drake tank fit I could get with my skills is like...450/450 I think. Maybe 500/500. Shrug. My mission running alt has problems getting even 500 DPS permatank out of a CNR with a reasonable gank (see: need for target painter) whereas a properly skilled command ship alt has no problems with 800-1200 dps tanks from a Drake as mission requires. But then, I'm too cheap to use faction gear. Both are t2 fits with perfect fitting and tanking skills and appropriate implants.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Clair Bear Bunch of side-topic stuff hehe Well I think I could get a lot more out of a drake if I did have better skills. I stopped training BC at III to go after BS. I also stopped training heavy missiles at III to work on battleship level weapon skills (in this case BS guns for a Rokh set up). I ghost trained BS V last time I stopped playing EVE. I do fit a meta 4 painter. I do/did not have meta 4 launchers on all my drake slots mainly because they were 14m a piece while the ship itself is 33m? At the time I was running Lv 3s with mediocre skills and half a T2 tank, so I couldn't afford gear very well. For newbs, it's still my opinion a CNR will be better for them than a drake or T2 ship right out of the gate, mainly due to skills and for the case of a nighthawk, ISK. I think they'll probably go for a Raven first though, due to lack of ISK. Lv 3s are not all that lucrative for low-skill pilots in comparison to lv 4s. I'm not too convinced the box will draw in a noticeable amount of noobs, but if it does, I would expect the CNR to get back to <= 300m, mainly because the CNR is the most noob-friendly mission ship for Lv 4s, besides the standard Raven.
Hel O'Ween Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.01.29 10:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi But mainly because of QR ppl had to train something else than the raven style hull. Their new BS skills have taken hold so they no longer need to fly caldari. I don't think so, because the other's faction BS price dropped also. They might have changed ship types (Nighhawk seems to do a better job in missions now). -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Vlayde Riser Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp. Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP? ..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!? +14% DPS and +50% more shield and armour hp for buffer tanking. That's actually pretty nice for PvP. Torp CNRs are hard to fit, but can provide devastating DPS. When CNRs cost 1B? Not nice enough When CNRs cost 240M? Well, yeah maybe... people pay 10x as much for a HAC as they do for a Battlecruiser (after insurance) for a smaller relative improvement than that.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Vlayde Riser Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp. Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP? ..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!? +14% DPS and +50% more shield and armour hp for buffer tanking. That's actually pretty nice for PvP. Torp CNRs are hard to fit, but can provide devastating DPS. When CNRs cost 1B? Not nice enough When CNRs cost 240M? Well, yeah maybe... people pay 10x as much for a HAC as they do for a Battlecruiser (after insurance) for a smaller relative improvement than that. Maybe, I just don't think you'll be seeing that as a standard fit any time soon.
Havok Pierce Gallente The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria And here I am the freak, I mission in an assault ship. Much more interesting that way (exploration plexes for me). I bring out the lolIshtar that will get the job done if I have to (Ishtar == aggro room, deploy drones, make sandwich).
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.29 16:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Havok Pierce Originally by: Kazzac Elentria And here I am the freak, I mission in an assault ship. Much more interesting that way (exploration plexes for me). I bring out the lolIshtar that will get the job done if I have to (Ishtar == aggro room, deploy drones, make sandwich). Everyone always goes for speed, I much prefer it like that. See that way I can browse the market at the same time too.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.29 16:30:00 - [34] BTW, not all faction ships are dropping. I'm using the time frame of immediately before 'nano-nerf' to now. CNR - hit by 'nano' nerf. Not as desirable for PvE as before, down from 300M to 240m. Navy Mega - hit very badly by 'nano' nerf. Never the top choice for PvE ship, now also terrible for solo PvP. Down from 320M to 240m. Navy Apoc - mostly untouched by 'speed' nerf. Holding at 300m. Fleet Tempest - never desirable for any purpose. Holding at 240m Nightmare - highly desirable for PvE. Up from 800m to 900m Rattlesnake - still useful for level Vs. 900m So, it all just depends. My thesis was: with higher GTC prices people grind more. That just shows up in cheaper LP-cost-only goods dropping. Pirate LP is unaffected since there is no glut of supply there.
Waseem The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.29 17:40:00 - [35] I would think a "sledgehammer" group of torp CNR's could put out some serious hurt in a fleet fight. But everything seems to be at range lately.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.29 21:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Waseem I would think a "sledgehammer" group of torp CNR's could put out some serious hurt in a fleet fight. But everything seems to be at range lately. Sure, if we just EFTd at each other. Wanna see a plated & trimarked megathron speed tank torps, even double webbed? Get on sisi and I'll demonstrate. I may not be able to do anything back, but hey. Ravens are still OK for pos bashing or capship fights. But is being permaprimary worth it for the extra 17% DPS and 30% more EPH? I think not.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.29 21:53:00 - [37] Originally by: Clair Bear BTW, not all faction ships are dropping. I'm using the time frame of immediately before 'nano-nerf' to now. CNR - hit by 'nano' nerf. Not as desirable for PvE as before, down from 300M to 240m. Navy Mega - hit very badly by 'nano' nerf. Never the top choice for PvE ship, now also terrible for solo PvP. Down from 320M to 240m. Navy Apoc - mostly untouched by 'speed' nerf. Holding at 300m. Fleet Tempest - never desirable for any purpose. Holding at 240m Nightmare - highly desirable for PvE. Up from 800m to 900m Rattlesnake - still useful for level Vs. 900m So, it all just depends. My thesis was: with higher GTC prices people grind more. That just shows up in cheaper LP-cost-only goods dropping. Pirate LP is unaffected since there is no glut of supply there. don't forget the bhaalgorn! its what around a billion? also note which ones are from pirate factions, and which ones are from heavily farmed empire factions....
Waseem The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.30 02:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Clair Bear Originally by: Waseem I would think a "sledgehammer" group of torp CNR's could put out some serious hurt in a fleet fight. But everything seems to be at range lately. Sure, if we just EFTd at each other. Wanna see a plated & trimarked megathron speed tank torps, even double webbed? Get on sisi and I'll demonstrate. I may not be able to do anything back, but hey. Ravens are still OK for pos bashing or capship fights. But is being permaprimary worth it for the extra 17% DPS and 30% more EPH? I think not. Considering a sledgehammer group does not shoot at battleships(atleast none of the sledgehammer groups I have been in)...I don't know how to respond. You basically confirmed what I posted when you said they are still okay for capships. Last sledgehammer group I was in, was 25ish torp ravens being warped to dreads, not warped to megathrons. I didn't say they were optimal for it, regular ravens would put out a better performance to cost ratio, however people fly what they can afford to loose, and with a good enough group in a fleet engagement putting that extra 100m per ship on the line might be reason for additional bragging rights? By the way, suggesting I am a EFT warrior was amusing to say the least. I have flown in sledgehammer groups, and have seen that they can be effective if used correctly, and I understand their premise. I didn't even list numbers, I just said I thought they would put out some decent hurt in a fleet fight. You are the one coming back quoting percentages trying to show why they wouldn't be as good. I just looked it as hey if you wanna fly it, fly it. They get additional DPS and defense. So no, I don't want to see your plated and trimarked megathron speed tanking torps because its just plain stupid that you would even bring something like that to a fleet fight, at least any of the fleet fights I have been apart of. You might as well bring a noob ship and orbit your own carriers for all the good it would do your fleet.
SiJira	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:20:00 - [39] manipulation to get a lot of them for a low price Trashed sig, Shark was here
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2009.02.11 17:04:00 - [40] Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 11/02/2009 17:03:53 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Vlayde Riser Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp. Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP? ..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!? Burn Eden had some killer nano CNR's as well as cloaking/sniping CNR setups that would devastate entire alliances. Ive been on the end of em. They are definitely viable for out of the box thinkers and pvp.

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