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Farouq Rizer
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:05:00 -
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Back during the missile nerf, CNR prices went down drasticly but went back up after a couple of days. Now, CNR prices are slowely going lower and lower, and it looks like it's not stopping anytime soon.
Why now? Is it the speculation that T3 ships might make CNR's useless?
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SexTrader
Amarr
Sex Trade
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:21:00 -
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One Word 'Chinese'
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Farouq Rizer
Back during the missile nerf, CNR prices went down drasticly but went back up after a couple of days. Now, CNR prices are slowely going lower and lower, and it looks like it's not stopping anytime soon.
Why now? Is it the speculation that T3 ships might make CNR's useless?
When you reach 9.9 faction standing you get a 2run bpc for CNR; at the cost of basically 30 diamond tags that are aworth about 1mil each?
So really the cnrs cost what a raven does + a little bit more.
Now the system basically lives and dies by how many cnrs are being destroyed.
Essentially speaking. 9.9 is pretty hard to achieve. Thusly depending on how long you've been doing caldari missions and how many you do per day. Eventually people reach the goal of 9.9 and builds those cnrs. Puts them on the market.
Eventually cnrs will reach cheap enough that pvpers could use them as well as they can with raven. Leading to increased destruction of the ships. That will basically be when the ships plateau. |
Ignition SemperFi
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:41:00 -
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They went up due to some market manipulation.
But mainly because of QR ppl had to train something else than the raven style hull. Their new BS skills have taken hold so they no longer need to fly caldari. |
BruisedMoon
Amarr
VICTIS-HONOR
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:50:00 -
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I thought it was because of marauders, they were almost the same price as a cnr or other navy bs, they were also a much better mission ship. Which decreased the supply of them and thus they fell.
Though I maybe wrong.... |
Julian Greenwood
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:51:00 -
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my guess: due to the Scourge Fury buff, a Nighthawk now performs as good as a CNR, beeing cheaper and cheaper to equip/tank |
AlexAllgood
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:53:00 -
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Less demand and a huge never ending supply from farmers. |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.27 21:42:00 -
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I would agree I think it's because people are getting out of their CNRs. More and more I hear missioners reply to mission threads with a non-CNR set up: Nighthawk, Golem, and Paladin being most prevalent.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.28 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Farouq Rizer
Back during the missile nerf, CNR prices went down drasticly but went back up after a couple of days. Now, CNR prices are slowely going lower and lower, and it looks like it's not stopping anytime soon.
Why now? Is it the speculation that T3 ships might make CNR's useless?
When you reach 9.9 faction standing you get a 2run bpc for CNR; at the cost of basically 30 diamond tags that are aworth about 1mil each?
stuff
Is that modified or base?
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.01.28 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: SexTrader
One Word 'Chinese'
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Iridescent Moon
Caldari
Iridescent Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.28 01:54:00 -
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WTS forum just had someone selling 27 CNR's....
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.28 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Farouq Rizer
Back during the missile nerf, CNR prices went down drasticly but went back up after a couple of days. Now, CNR prices are slowely going lower and lower, and it looks like it's not stopping anytime soon.
Why now? Is it the speculation that T3 ships might make CNR's useless?
When you reach 9.9 faction standing you get a 2run bpc for CNR; at the cost of basically 30 diamond tags that are aworth about 1mil each?
stuff
Is that modified or base?
I'm fairly certain it has to be base for the BPC offers. |
OffBeaT
Caldari
KaMiKaZes
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Posted - 2009.01.28 04:02:00 -
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naa.. ravens are a dead ship now.
i got one just cuse i can! its cheap enough to fight with now..
i wont a navy Rokh! now we are talking!  |
OMG ItsATrap
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Posted - 2009.01.28 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: SexTrader
One Word 'Chinese'
next word...
ryhmes with 'who here'
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SexTrader
Amarr
Sex Trade
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Posted - 2009.01.28 09:49:00 -
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Raven Navy Issue Just hit its lowest point selling at 240 mil when will it end!
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2009.01.28 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: SexTrader
Raven Navy Issue Just hit its lowest point selling at 240 mil when will it end!
3% below reprocess value |
Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:18:00 -
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If they continue to drop, then I bet they'll be used much more in small gang fights. They'll be pretty useless in fleet fights since ravens get primaried anyway.
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Astarte Nosferatu
Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
They'll be pretty useless in fleet fights since ravens get primaried anyway.
Who in their right mind uses a Raven in a fleet fight? And no experienced FC will primary a Raven unless there are no other ships around.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Tasko Pal
They'll be pretty useless in fleet fights since ravens get primaried anyway.
Who in their right mind uses a Raven in a fleet fight? And no experienced FC will primary a Raven unless there are no other ships around.
Faction BS will often get primaried simply because they're expensive.
Raven used to be a credible anti-support ship (A CNR would be 1/7th more credible), but with the cruise missile nerf, now not so much. |
Vlayde Riser
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:48:00 -
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Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp. |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Clair Bear on 28/01/2009 20:50:47
Except that L5s and macro courier missions are a firehose of LP. While people keep talking about 1000+ isk/LP that's for small time conversion. Good luck cashing out several hundred million LP a month with any other means.
To an ISK farming operation 250 isk/lp beats 0 isk/lp. Expect the prices to continue drifting down. A CNR is no longer a desirable PvP *or* PvE ship. Which means they're not being destroyed in numbers that matter in PvE or PvP. Just like the Fleet Tempest. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vlayde Riser
Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp.
Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP?
..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!? |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Vlayde Riser
Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp.
Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP?
..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!?
Gank bait. hehe Interesting character name.
If any noobs buy the box expansion, I would expect a slight surge in CNR demand. CNRs are still good all around mission ships for those who can't fly a Golem and don't want to use tracking weapons. |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: nether void
If any noobs buy the box expansion, I would expect a slight surge in CNR demand. CNRs are still good all around mission ships for those who can't fly a Golem and don't want to use tracking weapons.
Except a Drake with HAMs is better in almost every way for newbie L1-L4 mission running. Cheaper and easier to get into, way cheaper to fit, comprable if not better damage, waaaay better tank, etc etc.
CNRs are for people who already have Caldari BS V, Cruise & Torp spec IV and good support skills. Until that point that ship is very lackluster for any level mission running. And the experienced mission runner target demographic already has all the CNRs they need. Not to mention many of them have already trained Amarr BS V and Large Pulse Spec IV. =) |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: nether void on 28/01/2009 21:25:58
Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: nether void
If any noobs buy the box expansion, I would expect a slight surge in CNR demand. CNRs are still good all around mission ships for those who can't fly a Golem and don't want to use tracking weapons.
Except a Drake with HAMs is better in almost every way for newbie L1-L4 mission running. Cheaper and easier to get into, way cheaper to fit, comprable if not better damage, waaaay better tank, etc etc.
CNRs are for people who already have Caldari BS V, Cruise & Torp spec IV and good support skills. Until that point that ship is very lackluster for any level mission running. And the experienced mission runner target demographic already has all the CNRs they need. Not to mention many of them have already trained Amarr BS V and Large Pulse Spec IV. =)
Not arguing if a HAM drake is better, but from experience I had a heavy drake, and when I went to cruise missiles the time it took to pop a BS was cut more than in half. My skills aren't super high in mission stuff though. My skills are all spread out.
*edit* Not to mention the tankability. My CNR out-tanks my drake without a doubt. I like that, because it means I can look away from the monitor during a mission, hell even take a ****, without fear of popping. lol I've got a 450/650 tank on my CNR right now. The best drake tank fit I could get with my skills is like...450/450 I think. Maybe 500/500. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:25:00 -
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And here I am the freak, I mission in an assault ship. |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: nether void
Not arguing if a HAM drake is better, but from experience I had a heavy drake, and when I went to cruise missiles the time it took to pop a BS was cut more than in half. My skills aren't super high in mission stuff though. My skills are all spread out.
Did you have BC IV at least? Equivalent meta level weapons on both ships? Using the correct DPS implants for the weapon type?
And most importantly, was this pre or post 'speed' nerf? CNRs aren't what they used to be, you need a target painter to do full damage on most NPC battleships these days. Don't forget the Drake can fit a gang link just like a command ship.
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My CNR out-tanks my drake without a doubt. I like that, because it means I can look away from the monitor during a mission, hell even take a ****, without fear of popping. lol I've got a 450/650 tank on my CNR right now. The best drake tank fit I could get with my skills is like...450/450 I think. Maybe 500/500.
Shrug. My mission running alt has problems getting even 500 DPS permatank out of a CNR with a reasonable gank (see: need for target painter) whereas a properly skilled command ship alt has no problems with 800-1200 dps tanks from a Drake as mission requires. But then, I'm too cheap to use faction gear. Both are t2 fits with perfect fitting and tanking skills and appropriate implants. |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Bunch of side-topic stuff hehe
Well I think I could get a lot more out of a drake if I did have better skills. I stopped training BC at III to go after BS. I also stopped training heavy missiles at III to work on battleship level weapon skills (in this case BS guns for a Rokh set up). I ghost trained BS V last time I stopped playing EVE. I do fit a meta 4 painter. I do/did not have meta 4 launchers on all my drake slots mainly because they were 14m a piece while the ship itself is 33m? At the time I was running Lv 3s with mediocre skills and half a T2 tank, so I couldn't afford gear very well.
For newbs, it's still my opinion a CNR will be better for them than a drake or T2 ship right out of the gate, mainly due to skills and for the case of a nighthawk, ISK. I think they'll probably go for a Raven first though, due to lack of ISK. Lv 3s are not all that lucrative for low-skill pilots in comparison to lv 4s.
I'm not too convinced the box will draw in a noticeable amount of noobs, but if it does, I would expect the CNR to get back to <= 300m, mainly because the CNR is the most noob-friendly mission ship for Lv 4s, besides the standard Raven. |
Hel O'Ween
Biotronics Inc.
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ignition SemperFi
But mainly because of QR ppl had to train something else than the raven style hull. Their new BS skills have taken hold so they no longer need to fly caldari.
I don't think so, because the other's faction BS price dropped also.
They might have changed ship types (Nighhawk seems to do a better job in missions now).
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Vlayde Riser
Start investing in CNRs now. The price will be back to the 300mil range once the CNRs that are flooding the market get destroyed by ppl using them for pvp.
Who in their right mind uses a CNR for PvP?
..gank bait maybe but for just straight PvP?!?
+14% DPS and +50% more shield and armour hp for buffer tanking. That's actually pretty nice for PvP. Torp CNRs are hard to fit, but can provide devastating DPS.
When CNRs cost 1B? Not nice enough
When CNRs cost 240M? Well, yeah maybe... people pay 10x as much for a HAC as they do for a Battlecruiser (after insurance) for a smaller relative improvement than that.
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