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3AKOHHO	Posted - 2009.01.27 23:54:00 - [1] Train the Archeology skills, bought Analyzer, went to ruins of a station in Forge and guess what - can't do that!!! Then run into this - Exploration So now I have to train more bozo skills, learn to use different types of scanners and hope I don't get podded in one of the low secs. Are there EVER going to be complete set of instructions for ANY of the crap CCP is putting in lately???
Helen Viper Squad	Posted - 2009.01.27 23:58:00 - [2] What like the instructions they have been putting out there for people to look at since the game was released....
3AKOHHO	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:05:00 - [3] So where exactly am I suppose to be - on the web looking for some illusive instructions or in the game actually playing? What happened to intuitive design CCP was so proud of? Any Analyzer or skills it needs comes with instructions WITHIN the game?
3AKOHHO	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:10:00 - [4] And try searching for "Archeology" on EVE-ONLINE.com and see for kind of crap comes up before anything remotely useful is found. Besides, where are these places that these instructions you speak reside at? Toilet paper?
Miranda Reactor	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:13:00 - [5] your better off playing something that come with direction tbh, how about a nice game of tic tac toe?
Mawusi	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:16:00 - [6] You mean like this section in the Player Guide ?? :- Quote: What Skills Do I Need for Exploration? Scanning utilizes a Scan Probe Launcher as well as Scan Probes that focus on a particular signature type (Gravimetric, Magnetometric, RADAR, LADAR). All of these require: Astrometrics I Science III Due to the amount of time needed to scan using the Scan Probe Launcher, the Signal Acquisition skill should be trained to Level 1 to prevent the probes from expiring in space; this would inhibit a successful scan. Additional skills to consider investing in: Astrometric Pinpointing Astrometric Triangulation Hacking (enables the use of Codebreaker modules to take full advantage of RADAR signatures) Salvaging (enables the use of Salvager modules to take advantage of Magnetometric signatures) Archaeology (enables the use of Analyzer modules to take advantage of Magnetometric signatures( Gas Cloud Harvesting (enables the use of Gas Cloud Harvester modules to take full advantage of LADAR signatures) Ive highlighted the relevant line, and the guide goes on to explain about different types of signatures. What else do you want ? :)
3AKOHHO	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Miranda Reactor ... how about a nice game of tic tac toe? Sound good. At least, that's a well designed game that doesn't make any attempts of ripping people off and forcing them to keep on paying by purposely messing with their expectations. A game is a game - not a lifestyle :)
3AKOHHO	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Mawusi Edited by: Mawusi on 28/01/2009 00:17:01 You mean like this section in the Player Guide ?? :- I have that link in the very first post. But I want that info in the game provided with the freaking equipment and skills. I don't like small print surprises.
Mawusi	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:23:00 - [9] Also, these forums are the biggest instruction manual you could ever want. Next time just ask about something you are unsure of instead of investing time training it, only to find out it doesnt do what you thought it did.
3AKOHHO	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Mawusi Also, these forums are the biggest instruction manual you could ever want. Next time just ask about something you are unsure of instead of investing time training it, only to find out it doesnt do what you thought it did. my experience with players help, is that here, just like in the game, shutting down a new-be a matter of honor for more experienced players. I got so much misleading info from in-game guys and got laughed at when followed it, that I stop beleaving any advice I get from anyone. Very interesting crowd is attracted to this game.

Mawusi	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:43:00 - [11] Guess you've been unlucky. Cant say I ever had any mis-information when I was starting out. I always used the Help chat channel in game and found out what I needed to. Or join a noob corp like Eve University....they'll be more than happy to show you the ropes...that's what they pride themselves on.
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:49:00 - [12] Posting in a fail thread.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:22:00 - [13] Jump off a bridge. (IG) You have your instructions...
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:39:00 - [14] Evelopedia Exploration Guide and if you're afraid of lowsec you'll never be successful there. Eve is about managing risk, not avoiding it.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.28 03:31:00 - [15] Originally by: 3AKOHHO Originally by: Mawusi Also, these forums are the biggest instruction manual you could ever want. Next time just ask about something you are unsure of instead of investing time training it, only to find out it doesnt do what you thought it did. my experience with players help, is that here, just like in the game, shutting down a new-be a matter of honor for more experienced players. I got so much misleading info from in-game guys and got laughed at when followed it, that I stop beleaving any advice I get from anyone. Very interesting crowd is attracted to this game. the trolls can smell that certain something in an individual, and well this thread smells. when you take a proper approach to posting a topic people are very much helpful. however, wah wah! fix it for me ccp, and well you see what has happened so far.
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2009.01.28 03:44:00 - [16] the OP might need some cheese with his whine... but he does have a valid point when you set aside the whining. I have hopes that the new EVElopedia will grow to resolve some of these problems. I am happy to see that it is growing quickly. The exploration guide there looks pretty good.
3AKOHHO	Posted - 2009.01.28 05:00:00 - [17] Kessiaan and Mawusi, Thank you for the info. Obviously, what I value and what CCP has to offer are two different things. As for the rest of you, well, you guys deserve each other. My only regret is that you can't use live ammunition when you communicate :)
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.28 05:29:00 - [18] Quote: What Skills Do I Need for Exploration? Scanning utilizes a Scan Probe Launcher as well as Scan Probes that focus on a particular signature type (Gravimetric, Magnetometric, RADAR, LADAR). All of these require: Astrometrics I Science III Due to the amount of time needed to scan using the Scan Probe Launcher, the Signal Acquisition skill should be trained to Level 1 to prevent the probes from expiring in space; this would inhibit a successful scan. Additional skills to consider investing in: Astrometric Pinpointing Astrometric Triangulation Hacking (enables the use of Codebreaker modules to take full advantage of RADAR signatures) Salvaging (enables the use of Salvager modules to take advantage of Magnetometric signatures) Archaeology (enables the use of Analyzer modules to take advantage of Magnetometric signatures) Gas Cloud Harvesting (enables the use of Gas Cloud Harvester modules to take full advantage of LADAR signatures) I dont see what your so upset about... Astro Traingulation requries Astrometrics IV, so just get it to level 5 and be done with it. Then get everythijg else to Level 4 as a minimum. Then, if your read any posts about this sort of thing, you'll need recon or cov ops ships ot actuially get fast scan times, so you'll need to train for those. Then to fit the modules in you'll need good support skills. And whilst your sitting waiting for scans you'll want to mbe claoked so ensure you have Cloaking to 4 too. So basically, get everyhting to Level 4 as a minimum, then start using scanners. And you'll have to use it in every system in an entire region twice before you start complaining as everyone knows that you can hid a lot of nothing most of the time.... So why all the B*tching?
OMG ItsATrap	Posted - 2009.01.28 06:08:00 - [19] All the tutorials for the game you are looking for are here
Cess Poole Black Claw Exploratory	Posted - 2009.01.28 06:29:00 - [20] Perhaps ask in a more civil manner for more civil responses. As no one has broached the subject with you, Can I have your stuff?

Boomey Pootra	Posted - 2009.01.28 06:52:00 - [21] Originally by: 3AKOHHO I don't like small print surprises. Ctrl-Scroll up. Voila!
Esamir	Posted - 2009.01.28 08:30:00 - [22] This is by design - finding and figuring things out is part of the enjoyment for many of us, and if you're not into that, then you have possibly picked up the wrong game. You can use player guides, read forums and talk to players in-game and you'll find what you need but if you're looking for explicit instructions about absolutely everything from CCP, you will be disappointed. The reason for what you've experienced in-game is your attitude. You think the problem is in other people, but it isn't. You may not realise this, but you're rude, agressive and more than a little angry, which means that a lot of people would rather tease you and see your reaction, than help you. I help a lot of new players but if I met you I'd just block you. Others delight in goading people like you into a rage. Drop the infantile 'I want' attitude, and stop making angry posts and demands. Try being less of a **** and you may see a change in people's reactions to you.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:30:00 - [23] So, basically, you bought a lawnmower and are now upset that you need to have a lawn and grow some grass on it for your new toy to be of any use? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:50:00 - [24] EVE is ever changing. So, the forums (and hopefully with some time the wiki) are the best way to learn about stuff. CCP does not tell you everything on purpose. They want the players to find out themselfes (wormholes will be fun). Don't ***** around only because you're lazy. And seeing your attitude it's no wonder people won't help you.
Hairy Blutac Amarr A Quest Millitia	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Esamir This is by design - finding and figuring things out is part of the enjoyment for many of us, and if you're not into that, then you have possibly picked up the wrong game. You can use player guides, read forums and talk to players in-game and you'll find what you need but if you're looking for explicit instructions about absolutely everything from CCP, you will be disappointed. The reason for what you've experienced in-game is your attitude. You think the problem is in other people, but it isn't. You may not realise this, but you're rude, agressive and more than a little angry, which means that a lot of people would rather tease you and see your reaction, than help you. I help a lot of new players but if I met you I'd just block you. Others delight in goading people like you into a rage. Drop the infantile 'I want' attitude, and stop making angry posts and demands. Try being less of a **** and you may see a change in people's reactions to you. Well said.... why oh why can't we all just get along.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Kuranta And seeing your attitude it's no wonder people won't help you. This tbh.
Echo Vector Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.28 12:28:00 - [27] This isn't "hold-your-hand" Hello Kitty Online. One of the most appealing things about this game is that it requires a certain level of critical thinking if you intend on being successful. Let me guess wildly here, just for a moment..........you got stuck trying to find a "Villard Wheel", didn't you? There are more than enough player-donated "walk-throughs" and "guides" and general "cheat sheets"..........but that also requires a certain level of intellectual acuity to find them on the Internets......... As for hoping to not get podded in lo-sec, WTF are you even playing the game for? Good grief, man. Your expectations are, in a word, unrealistic.
el caido School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.28 15:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Echo Vector Let me guess wildly here, just for a moment..........you got stuck trying to find a "Villard Wheel", didn't you? I lol'd ... but only because I hear that question a dozen times a day. To the OP: the first reality of EVE is that it has a learning curve that kills kittens ... daily. Some of us 'veterans' may be inconsiderate to your complaints, but that is merely because when many of us began, the game had less documentation and fansites than it does now. But, in reality, that doesn't matter. Other people in the game are your best resource. Make friends, read the forums if you dare, and don't be a kitten. Welcome to EVE.
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.28 15:47:00 - [29] As others have said, the difficulty of finding information is by design ... There are a lot of good infos in this thread already, but it boils down to one thing : if you want real, useful tips, be nice when asking for them ! When I started playing, back in 2004, there was absolutely nothing on Teh Intartubes, you had to try it yourself or find a corp of "newbie friendly" people to teach you the ropes (BTW, Eve University is a great bunch of people, very helpful, they helped me start my career). But, the learning curve is this game is harsh ... look at this picture, it's pretty acurate : <~ sig starts here My Skills
Typecell	Posted - 2009.01.28 16:06:00 - [30] Well you have to remember that everyone that is doing what you are doing is drawing from the same pool of resources as you. What is the benefit to them of telling you how to do things? Even so, the explorer community is actually very willing to inform new players and there is comparatively a large amount of information (in comparison to other ways of making isk) relating to exploration all over the web. You're really gonna have to do some of your own research as some things you will find almost no research done for you: trade routes, production, POS operation for example will require that you work on your own. Honestly though, it's way more rewarding to work on it yourself and just ask the occasional question than having it done for you.



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