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Haakelen
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:13:00 -
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I cba to care about games I don't play that other people do, and seem to enjoy. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon As it has to do with role playing in any format, you do not need the "fluff" that WOW provideds to emmerse yourself in RP. Any pen and paper vet knows that.
Slade
As i said, not about needing it, but about helping it.
I think the discussion has gone way too much into "eve has no rp" genre though and as such, people are defending it with zeal. |
WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:16:00 -
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Isn't it obvious?
Wow players play for PvE. In eve PvE is a grind fest.
EVE players play for PvP. In wow PvP is a grind fest. |
Ezael Whiteshadow
Caldari Divine Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Bohoba one thing to think on 11.5 mill subs VS 200k hummm and wow is bad ??
Lots of people buy Girls Aloud CDs. Doesn't mean that they're any good.
I blame Lord of the Rings for the popularity of WoW. (Yes, I know there is a Lord of the Rings MMO but WoW got the elves and dwarves brigade hooked first) |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ezael Whiteshadow I blame Lord of the Rings for the popularity of WoW. (Yes, I know there is a Lord of the Rings MMO but WoW got the elves and dwarves brigade hooked first)
I blame Warcraft for the popularity of WoW — nothing beats building on one of the most popular gaming IPs in history. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon As it has to do with role playing in any format, you do not need the "fluff" that WOW provideds to emmerse yourself in RP. Any pen and paper vet knows that.
PnP gives you total freedom with your imagination. In a videogame you can't just ignore what the developer puts on the screen. The more detail you add the more you limit where the players imagination can go. So that fluff can even become an obstacle to the RP, if it is implemented poorly or is conflicting.
@OP Taste it is, all the way. I don't think badly of anyone playing WOW, since it does what it tries to do very well. It just doesn't appeal to me and I expect more dept from an MMO than it offers. I'm glad that it exist, so that the people that find it appealing don't migrate here and ruin EVE by trying to change it into another WOW clone. |
Jay Marshall
Caldari Walks Forever Trade Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:39:00 -
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I play both EVE and Wow (also known as Warcrack amongst our guild lol), and I find both have thier appeal for me. I like EVE because of the more cerebral outlook to the game. Sure it has its combat section with the missions where you can cut loose and blast away, but I play it mostly to trade, build, mine and haul. Yeah yeah, carebear here, but meh. Just not confident enough with my pvp abilties to try to do full scale pvp. Now in Warcrack I play with a great group of people in guild that raids the high end locations on a regular basis. Its fun comraderie and teamwork. Like the OP noted, one is apples and the other is oranges, but I like to have bowl of slices of both. :)
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Ezael Whiteshadow
Caldari Divine Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jay Marshall I play both EVE and Wow
Get out of my house. |
Ezael Whiteshadow
Caldari Divine Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ezael Whiteshadow I blame Lord of the Rings for the popularity of WoW. (Yes, I know there is a Lord of the Rings MMO but WoW got the elves and dwarves brigade hooked first)
I blame Warcraft for the popularity of WoW ù nothing beats building on one of the most popular gaming IPs in history.
Thats a good point. I never played Warcraft, no appeal for me. |
Corwain
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:55:00 -
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My best friend isn't much of an MMO player, though he is a massive gamer. Recently I showed him some vids of the first legit titan loss, Shrike's Avatar. I mentioned that this ship was worth X amount of RL money and my friend started asking questions, like:
"So they captured his ship and now they have it?"
"No you can't do that unless the pilot abandons ship before it goes down. They destroyed the ship."
"What do you mean destroyed?"
"Destroyed, gone, boom."
"You can't repair it?"
He talks about the old days of 50 man raids like that's so many people and then mentions that recently blizzard brought the biggest raids down to 20 man raids.
Sorry if this sounds dogmatic but as a game WoW might be fun, but EVE is a lifestyle. The only thing massive about WoW is the playerbase, EVE puts the mass in massive. |
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Bohoba one thing to think on 11.5 mill subs VS 200k hummm and wow is bad ??
Lots of people buy Girls Aloud CDs. Doesn't mean that they're any good.
Was it really necessary to use such a foul analogy...? |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Bohoba one thing to think on 11.5 mill subs VS 200k hummm and wow is bad ??
Lots of people buy Girls Aloud CDs. Doesn't mean that they're any good.
Was it really necessary to use such a foul analogy...?
Changed just for you:
Lots of people buy Jeffrey Archer novels. It doesn't mean that he's Leo Tolstoy. |
Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.01.28 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 28/01/2009 16:29:35
Eve is only a grind if you choose to grind due to your own abilities (or lack of). The biggest thing about Eve is choice.
WoW you have no choice but to grind. |
Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Retreat Blade.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 16:57:00 -
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Has nothing to do with WoW or EVE, happens for every MMO (and other games as well). Some people have this innated need to defend their game of choice, like as if they have to justify to themselves spending so much time on it. You see the same idiocy with clubsport fans... |
Alana Mei
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Posted - 2009.01.28 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones I was doing my robe&wizard hat thing yesterday and this came on the chatboxy thingy:
xxxx: "I kind of find it boring to go spend time to get stuff i need for my leatherworking." xxxx: "You can always buy the stuff of the auction house....(etc)" xxxx: "If you want boring, try EVE." xxxx: "LOL yeah, grindfest eh." xxxx: "Not that, but the !"#%% community is full of whining kids."
Etc etc.
In a nutshell, the same things said on these very forums and in game, are being said on the other side of the fence.
This leads me to believe; taste, taste, taste. It's not about either of the MMOs being bad or good, it's about apples and oranges as much as it can be.
In core, each game is the same.
Not to mention i can make a ton of money transferring my market knowledge of EVE into WoW
In any case, i just found it interesting how both sides of the fence use exactly the same insults and generalizations
Thats the thing, both games have alot in common...including the forum whiners that make it sound like the majority of both games populations are 10 or under. Personally I think eve is better but I also think you can't judge anything based on what people post in forums about a game |
permion
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:01:00 -
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EvE is not designed for the normal MMO player. Nearly all of its design philosophies are take from webgames and in particular empire building genres.
If you come from a normal MMO EvE will be "difficult" to get your hands around. You'll commonly hear complaints about it being pure junk.
If you come from a webgame You'll pick up EvE like it's second nature. To be perfectly honest the first time I've joined the game I was laughing my behind off at people calling "difficult". |
Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 28/01/2009 18:07:28
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Thing about immersion though, have to again point out that in WoW there is RP in the MMORPG, where-as in EVE you have to REALLY dig to find and create the RP element.
I mean REALLY dig. With a digger. In sahara. And the RP is a brown pin. Dipped in sand
If i want spaceship fun, some technical stuff, satisfy the "nerd" in me, i play EVE. If i want fun and RP, i go to WoW.
Both could use a bit of ideas from eachother.
I 100% disagree. I think Eve facilitates role-playing more than WoW. How do you role-play people who just go and grind the same dungeon over and over?
In Eve, everything you do has some in-world in-character correspondence. If you want to play a pirate, you do what a pirate would do. If you want to be a trader, you do what a trader would do.
If you think of role-playing as just spending off-time sitting in pubs and talking funny, then you don't know what real role-playing is. Role-playing is doing what your character would do based on your character's personality. In Eve, you can actually do that. You can form power-blocks, fight against one faction or another, or just profit from all involved. You can explore (more so soon). You can even play a pacifist if you want to.
In WoW and most other traditional MMOs, you really have no option if you want to advance and succeed other than to play just another grind-monkey that goes and kills respawning bosses in the same dungeon over and over and then sit around and talk funny in taverns in your off time.
I've briefly played traditional MMOs like Age of Conan and Warhammer Online briefly and I couldn't see how anyone could call what they do role-playing. Everyone does the same exact things, but some talk funny and some don't and they call the former role-playing. "Role-playing" guilds may have rules about talking "in-character" in guild chat, but they do the same things as non-roleplaying guilds as far as their actual gameplay.
If you can't express your role-playing through actual gameplay, rather than in how you talk, the game does not facilitate role-playing. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/01/2009 18:14:31 Kyra, the RP you've seen in other MMOs, clearly from your brief encounter, is like pointing at a macrominer and going "that's an EVE RPer".
You can play WoW without grinding too by the way
The problem in discussion here is, as said by someone, "difference in rp term". In EVE i'm thinking it's more of "what you do" and in WoW it's more of "who you are". Not ultimatums, just more towards. |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:16:00 -
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I might get around to trying WOW one day. Until then, I will remain an elitist snob about EVE. |
SadisticSavior
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:52:00 -
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I played WoW for a few months because my friends played it. I didnt like the FOTM builds for everything, and I especially hated the cartoony-ass graphics. In the end, thats really why I quit the game. I got tired of playing a cartoon skeleton battling cartoon monsters. I made it to level 45 before I couldnt endure any more.
I've been playing EVE off and on since launch. I have quit several times because I got bored or distracted by another MMO, but I always end up crawling back to this game. There's just nothing else like it anywhere. Darkfall (once it comes out) will probably come closest.
In have no friends that play EVE...most of them are still playing WoW. But I would rather play with myself than play that grindy cartoony game again.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Not to mention i can make a ton of money transferring my market knowledge of EVE into WoW
200 gp in Warhammer on my first week. These are so noobish economic systems.
Buy everything, put at 1gp, ppl still buy.
Then I understood there was no meaning of being rich and to play that game. |
Mistress Evita
Caldari Booze and Hookers
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:17:00 -
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They are both good games in different ways for me. The only real difference I see in the two games is this (besides the multiple servers): if a corp/guild mate irritates me in some way I can cause their death in WoW or I can kill them myself in Eve.
The forums are the same for both games. It just seems there is more moaning and groaning on Wow cause there are more people playing that game. But they complain about the same thing. The DEVs changed something that someone didn't like and now the game is going downhill fast. |
Isebella Ahih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Actually, not to take it too much towards the differences(been down that road) and AWAY from the topic;
In EVE you lose ISK if you die, in WoW you lose gold to repair equipment. In EVE you lose time to get back to battle, in WoW you lose time to get your corpse.
Both deaths use up time and if your pockets are deep enough, in EVE dying means nothing.
But this topic is not about that.
In wow you lose a miniscule amount of gold you make back in minutes, In eve a loss takes a couple hour or more to recover.
In wow you lose 2-3 minutes to recover your corpse, In eve you lose 20 minutes if you're near a trade hub, an hour or more if you're not. |
mcnuggetlol
Amarr Cold Blooded Killers
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:57:00 -
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Both communities are ******ed in their own special little ways. |
Rhibhinn
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:58:00 -
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Although I have not played Wow I have played a couple of other MMORPGs (EQ2 and Vanguard) which are similar enough in concept, but not subscriber base
I would say I played (I am on ISK GTC funded break) EVE for more of an intellectual challenge while I figured things out. Now that I have figure out what I need to, can make billions of ISK with little effort - though a fair amount of boredom - it is really not the challenge it was. Oh, and this is not my billions of ISK character
I played the others for a more directed questing experience. Indeed just for a laugh I have gone back to EQ2, deleted my old characters and their cash and started again.
People wise I really like my corp here, and I really liked my guilds in the others. For both EVE and EQ2 they probably kept me actively playing for much longer than I otherwise would have.
The two are just different world views with different RP styles. I personally do not think one is better or more immersive than the other. They are both as immersive as you wish to make them. If you think in a 'human' perspective it can feel easier to be immersed when there is familiar scenery and landscape rather than looking at pretty much uniform space, planets and station interiors. That, though, is the only aspect of immersion that make any difference in my mind.
But, meh, it is my opinion. Anyone who states a categorical view of one is 'better' than another is falling into the usual trap.
I should really link a latest kills sig to show how l33t I am, but I guess I would need to kill something for that to work.
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Gimpb
Deathwatch Ltd
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:20:00 -
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As someone who plays both on and off, they both have their things they do well.
For example, the artistry of the WoW PvE content is very well done and the social aspect of MMOs is better supported.
On the other hand, EVE doesn't feel like some sort of pre-programmed tour. It's the big wide world of anything goes but everything matters.
Oh, and WoW simply by its nature does not have that laying it on the line feeling. |
mishkof
Caldari Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: mishkof on 28/01/2009 22:21:58
Originally by: Jowen Datloran I do not believe it is the games that are the same, it is the mentality of the communities of the two. It simply shows that a MMO gamer is a MMO gamer no matter what MMO he plays.
Or in other words: there are always some that believe that the grass smell of poo on the other side of the fence.
I dont agree with this quote, as well as the point of the OP. That is if you are saying that no members of either community can be objective with their opinions. That is wrong.
There are some things WoW is better for, and there are some things that Eve is better for. In my opinion those are the facts. Where you fall just depends on what you enjoy more.
It is my objective opinion that Wow is a mostly carebear grinding game that allows you to show off you experience with the cloths you wear that you get from grinding.
Eve is more cut throat and dry. You show off your experiance with your wallet and how many scalps (killmails) you have collected.
That is the single biggest difference. The two sources of e-peen extention, and the paths that allow you to get there.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Isebella Ahih
In wow you lose a miniscule amount of gold you make back in minutes, In eve a loss takes a couple hour or more to recover.
Gawd, you must be a terrible pilot if it takes you a couple of hours to go round your research agents.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:27:00 -
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Dunno but I roleplay a shipyard CEO pretty well. |
Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.28 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof In my opinion those are the facts.
Rotflmao. |
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