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Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:35:00 - [1] I was doing my robe&wizard hat thing yesterday and this came on the chatboxy thingy: xxxx: "I kind of find it boring to go spend time to get stuff i need for my leatherworking." xxxx: "You can always buy the stuff of the auction house....(etc)" xxxx: "If you want boring, try EVE." xxxx: "LOL yeah, grindfest eh." xxxx: "Not that, but the !"#%% community is full of whining kids." Etc etc. In a nutshell, the same things said on these very forums and in game, are being said on the other side of the fence. This leads me to believe; taste, taste, taste. It's not about either of the MMOs being bad or good, it's about apples and oranges as much as it can be. In core, each game is the same. Not to mention i can make a ton of money transferring my market knowledge of EVE into WoW In any case, i just found it interesting how both sides of the fence use exactly the same insults and generalizations My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:37:00 - [2] obviously never tried 00 or low sec pvp then with the whole new wormhole sapce thing coming we are going to get a lot of wow players and carebear players stick around... expect 100k online at once this time next year
the Entity testicular Fortitude Sherwood Forest	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:37:00 - [3] aye, my bro plays wow, and every time we get together its a slanderfest , we've both trialed each others mmo, but im too intelligent for WOW and hes to dumb for eve i wonder if other games have such a profound hatred as ours Originally by: Acama Asante so clearly this thread is my punishment but what was my crime I wonder
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:38:00 - [4] I dont like wow because its a boring game with no risk
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:40:00 - [5] lol WoW players just don't like the idea of losing something you have worked for in combat. Eve players love it. Both are grindy as ****, but in Eve the grind is meant to be work to make the loss painful. In Wow it just fills your time.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:41:00 - [6] You guys are kind of proving my point here My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Yokoshima Kaizoku	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:42:00 - [7] Boring? Eve? What? Well according to a study by CCP in 2006, the average age of an EVE player is around 27. Explains a lot. Thank god this game is not a teen playground. I'd like to know what the average age of a WoW player is.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Sheriff Jones You guys are kind of proving my point here Its a war man! Stop sitting on the fence!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:43:00 - [9] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Sheriff Jones You guys are kind of proving my point here Its a war man! Stop sitting on the fence! I'm an opportunist and sell weapons to both sides My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Navtiqes Noob Mercs	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:43:00 - [10] Originally by: TimMc lol WoW players just don't like the idea of losing something you have worked for in combat. Eve players love it. Both are grindy as ****, but in Eve the grind is meant to be work to make the loss painful. In Wow it just fills your time. Well said. It's not the only difference, but it's one of the major ones. And WoW can be beat. You'll never finish EVE.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:48:00 - [11] Actually, not to take it too much towards the differences(been down that road) and AWAY from the topic; In EVE you lose ISK if you die, in WoW you lose gold to repair equipment. In EVE you lose time to get back to battle, in WoW you lose time to get your corpse. Both deaths use up time and if your pockets are deep enough, in EVE dying means nothing. But this topic is not about that. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:52:00 - [12] Originally by: the Entity aye, my bro plays wow, and every time we get together its a slanderfest , we've both trialed each others mmo, but im too intelligent for WOW and hes to dumb for eve i wonder if other games have such a profound hatred as ours It's been my experience from the MMORPG.com forums that it's not WoW fans per-se, but the themepark MMO style fans that rabidly hate EvE. And even then, they don't hate EvE, they hate what it represents. They do the same thing to Darkfall and rag on pre-CU/NGE SWG whenever the topic comes up. It's fun to ** with them though, you can usually spin them up so much they go ax crazy totally discredit themselves while you look like a reasonable human being trying to have an intelligent discussion All that said truly wise people see the situation for what it is - two games are about as far apart as can be while still being in the same genre. WoW is a great game (though, to be honest, the latest expansion isn't coming anywhere close to living up to the standards set by its predecessors). EvE is a great game. They're just not the same game. And for some reason a lot of people seem to think MMOs are some online version of the Highlander and go ape** when you break the news to them that not only can there be more than one, there can be more than one that's successful and more than one that's actually good.
Kaiser Sorano	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:55:00 - [13] I find "LOL yeah, grindfest eh." to be dripping with delicious irony, having come from a player of WoW
Element 22 Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Kessiaan And for some reason a lot of people seem to think MMOs are some online version of the Highlander and go ape**** when you break the news to them that not only can there be more than one, there can be more than one that's successful and more than one that's actually good. Oh god, please CCP art team, you NEED to draw a scene of a WoW fight and slowly zoom out until you see the an armada floating around the planet, then a black screen with the words "There can only be One!" and then raining fire down on the planet. I was going to suggest all of the WoW race's heads on pikes on the side of a ship, but I think seeing a scortched plaet will really get the message across: In the Grand Scheme of Things, WoW is mere kid stuff. You may capture a hill, we destroy planets/solar system. Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.
jam6549 Cold Blooded Killers	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:00:00 - [15] not official, but there you go: Linkage seems the average age in WoW is about 28 according to this guy? The one thing I have to agree with is that EVE is far deeper and complicated than WoW, but then again its apples and oranges and neither are better or worse.
Math'ra Hiede Amarr Quality Assurance Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:01:00 - [16] I played WoW for a month or two with my cousin and a few of his friends, my experience in EVE basicly mean't that I was doing a lot lot lot better than other people, the whole focus fire, work as a team, FC fights - generally I lvl'd about 3x as fast as the other guys, then I was like - Meh EVE calls and I am summoned. also the mentality is of such generaly poor quality, it is honestly degrading to play it where I get told off by a 5 year old for doing something slightly outside the box and being clever. In other words. It's good for a laugh, but EVE is much more serious and higher quality game made for people who want to think, not just sit there and hack at some monster for 10 hours
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:07:00 - [17] Edited by: Kessiaan on 28/01/2009 10:08:31 Originally by: Kaiser Sorano I find "LOL yeah, grindfest eh." to be dripping with delicious irony, having come from a player of WoW WoW rewards grinding with a near-constant stream of cookies. EvE rewards success and doesn't care how you get there. When people complain about the grind, they aren't complaining about the grind (even though they think they are), they're complaining they aren't being fed enough cookies. Now, in EvE you CAN grind your way to success but it's horribly inefficient (and thus you'll be hungry for cookies). But when someone comes here from WoW, a game where you can actually get banned for doing things other than the formally approved dev-way, to a game like EvE where they're dropped in a rookie ship and told to figure it out, they don't know that doing anything other than grinding is even possible, it's so ingrained into their brains. Same with pvp (you can blame nonstop the "I need XXX SPs" and "I can't ever catch up" misconceptions firmly on level-based MMOs). Hopefully the new player experience coming March 10 will help with this. I think a big part of EvE's infamous learning cliff is simply that it's so different that most people just can't figure it out. The game is so alien to anything they've played before that they literally have nowhere to start from and just quit out of frustration.
Souma12	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:09:00 - [18] well i play both, but i like to take a break from one to focus on another, both are good if u have a good alliance/guild and ofc both sux if all ur gonna do is mission *** or quest ***, personally i own 2 lvl 80 and one 70 (one of the 80 with full t6 and t7 gaunlets), and didnt played it for like 5 months until the last xpansion came out.... i just guess its a matter of tastes... u like oranges... but eventually ull get tired of eating all the time and switch to apples for awhile and so on...
Max Thorus	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:14:00 - [19] Edited by: Max Thorus on 28/01/2009 10:15:30 Originally by: Sheriff Jones but the !"#%% community is full of whining kids." Omg, WoW got more of those and if you look at their forums, 6 of 10 forum threads are whines. Just dont bother with those dumbasses and let em be happy with "hard earned Epixx". Edit: Almost forgot ....
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:24:00 - [20] Edited by: TimMc on 28/01/2009 10:24:07 Originally by: Souma12 well i play both, but i like to take a break from one to focus on another, both are good if u have a good alliance/guild and ofc both sux if all ur gonna do is mission *** or quest ***, personally i own 2 lvl 80 and one 70 (one of the 80 with full t6 and t7 gaunlets), and didnt played it for like 5 months until the last xpansion came out.... i just guess its a matter of tastes... u like oranges... but eventually ull get tired of eating all the time and switch to apples for awhile and so on... I knew you were a WoW player before I read your post. Just look at it... Edit: I would kick people out of my corp for typing like that.
Scytharin	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:25:00 - [21] I don't mind WoW. It reminds me very much of the sims, bright and colourful and initially addictive but ultimately lacking in any real depth, and it usually fails to hold my interest for longer than few days at a time at most. I have leveled a character all the way to 80 and started raiding but just got bored each time. Ultimately I find Eve a lot more immersive and the actual risk involved in combat and the fact scamming and betrayal are permitted and in some cases encouraged adds a dimension of emotion and paranoia and genuine investment in your actions that just doesn't exist in WoW. Even though I don't mind WoW I do have to say though that I get riled up if I see any WoWers criticising Eve. With WoW's more recent patches the game is getting more and more dumbed down and made so there's more reward for less effort and that's just very telling of the average WoW fans demands from an MMO. They can criticise Eve, but the truth is they're just too stupid to really "get" eve and too carebear to come in and try their so-called PvP skills in a match where there's genuine risk, or their PvE skills in a system where it isn't just a race to an end game where the story happens and you're just along for the ride as an observer not a participant. WoW-fans are the ones who logged into Eve, and found themselves totally alone in a vast cold universe without boundaries with no NPC's waiting helpfully to tell them what to do, no players with any vested interest in helping them and a learning curve which hits 90 degrees straight upwards the moment they hit undock, and they basically just couldn't hack it. Eve fans are the ones who logged into that same vast cold, lonely universe and decided to stop worrying and start focusing on how they could make it their ***** either through hard work and careful planning or by scamming and killing as many people as possible.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:28:00 - [22] I do not believe it is the games that are the same, it is the mentality of the communities of the two. It simply shows that a MMO gamer is a MMO gamer no matter what MMO he plays. Or in other words: there are always some that believe that the grass smell of poo on the other side of the fence. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Yokoshima Kaizoku Boring? Eve? What? Well according to a study by CCP in 2006, the average age of an EVE player is around 27. we just act like children ;)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:30:00 - [24] Thing about immersion though, have to again point out that in WoW there is RP in the MMORPG, where-as in EVE you have to REALLY dig to find and create the RP element. I mean REALLY dig. With a digger. In sahara. And the RP is a brown pin. Dipped in sand If i want spaceship fun, some technical stuff, satisfy the "nerd" in me, i play EVE. If i want fun and RP, i go to WoW. Both could use a bit of ideas from eachother. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Emanuelle Jasmine Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:52:00 - [25] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Thing about immersion though, have to again point out that in WoW there is RP in the MMORPG, where-as in EVE you have to REALLY dig to find and create the RP element. I mean REALLY dig. With a digger. In sahara. And the RP is a brown pin. Dipped in sand If i want spaceship fun, some technical stuff, satisfy the "nerd" in me, i play EVE. If i want fun and RP, i go to WoW. Both could use a bit of ideas from eachother. correct me if im wrong, but most RP evolves around the horde/alliance split in wow, and eve easily tops that with BoB/goon, hey CCP didnt even have to make them up, its the players that RP here, RP does not mean speaking in old language.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:55:00 - [26] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/01/2009 10:56:25 Originally by: Emanuelle Jasmine correct me if im wrong, but most RP evolves around the horde/alliance split in wow, and eve easily tops that with BoB/goon, hey CCP didnt even have to make them up, its the players that RP here, RP does not mean speaking in old language. I know old language isn't the thing, and i say it every time someone tries to set RP in that category, but in WoW you have a storyline, things to do, NPC giving actual meaning to what you do and all without any sign of repetition unless you take it down to the grind-core. For example on my latest character i just broke the 700 quests achievement and i'm not even halfway through the "level grind". Also, the setting, the players, all these are much mroe suitable for role-playing. The horde vs alliance is just the main setting for the world while, here's the correction, the RP in game revolves around individual lives, pasts, future, etc. For example, it's much easier to set up a personal rp thing to "hunt down that nasty wolf that killed my family", then it is in EVE, in a sense that it feels real. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:05:00 - [27] There is only one item in WoW that is true to its name, and this is it. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:05:00 - [28] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/01/2009 11:06:23 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/01/2009 11:05:48 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/01/2009 10:56:25 Originally by: Emanuelle Jasmine correct me if im wrong, but most RP evolves around the horde/alliance split in wow, and eve easily tops that with BoB/goon, hey CCP didnt even have to make them up, its the players that RP here, RP does not mean speaking in old language. I know old language isn't the thing, and i say it every time someone tries to set RP in that category, but in WoW you have a storyline, things to do, NPC giving actual meaning to what you do and all without any sign of repetition unless you take it down to the grind-core. For example on my latest character i just broke the 700 quests achievement and i'm not even halfway through the "level grind". Also, the setting, the players, all these are much mroe suitable for role-playing. The horde vs alliance is just the main setting for the world while, here's the correction, the RP in game revolves around individual lives, pasts, future, etc. For example, it's much easier to set up a personal rp thing to "hunt down that nasty wolf that killed my family", then it is in EVE, in a sense that it feels real. The problem with games like WoW is that every single character of a particular race and class will have done pretty much exactly the same quests (particularly at low level). This breaks a lot of immersion for me, as it leads to everyone having the same backgrounds. Age of Conan is particularly bad at this - every single player character in it has miraculously survived being shipwrecked, caused a volcano to erupt and gone on to kill a pirate chief. What are the odds of that happening? But in Eve, you graduate from flight school, and from then you're on your own. This is a big help to RP as it allows you to make your own unique story. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Emanuelle Jasmine Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/01/2009 10:56:25 I know old language isn't the thing, and i say it every time someone tries to set RP in that category, but in WoW you have a storyline, things to do, NPC giving actual meaning to what you do and all without any sign of repetition unless you take it down to the grind-core. ... in eve you have a history of alliances come to power and crumble which is completely player driven, i admit its a different kind of RP, but its RP nonetheless. and in case you didn't notice, eve has a pretty rich storyline and backstory. the difference is that a new podpilot in eve is not predestined to save the world like in wow. if you dont, no one cares. you might aswell try to destroy it and ally with the bad guys.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:11:00 - [30] Kind of missing the point there. I've said it before that there is little immersion RP wise when you're flying a ship, but when ambulation comes, EVE could very well trump WoW with it's sci-fi immersion, but for now the immersion is greater. Also "stupid" things like silly hats, outfits etc, bring a whole new level to your RP. By the way, in WoW you're actually told to e part of th war effort, not the single savior of the world. True, same quests for all, but that's limited due to the thing being a game. Even still, there's many different ways to go through the world and i doubt i've got one character that has the same exact path as the other. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

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