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Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.28 19:40:00 - [1] Originally by: DubanFP Drake: A lot of people fly it for the OMG super-tank it can fit. That's good but it suffers from so many drawbacks as a result in the end there's much better choices. It can't fit the standard MWD/scram/web combo without completely screwing over the tank and even fitting one scram puts you at a disadvantage even if its slightly reasonable. Drake is the most powerful BC when looked at as single ship. It CAN fit mwd, web and scram, have better tank than any other gank BC and do very nice dps with hams and 3 bcus or alternatively do less dps but at good range with heavies, which is I guess more needed in 0.0 environments. It is the result of cookie cutter mentality that only knows how to look on forums for fits that everyone (not any more tbh, but up until very recently) didnt know how to fit anything but full rack of SPRs and 6 slot tank with heavies in high slots, creating one of the most useless yet for some reason popular ship fits I ever came upon. In my eyes most overestimated ship is Astarte. Even before the web nerf it was utter crap among command ships, especially in it's typical dual repping bufferless edition that all the cool kids use. Even in very small gangs when astarte becomes primary you better start locking something else soon because it will go pop very fast. Other than that, Nighthawk. While many people who know their thing are well aware of it's deficiencies and there are many topics springing up about them, it still seems to give countless caldari high sec bears the feeling of invincibility. They think it can tank or something. lol. Very similar issue to passive drake actually, with the added problem of very limited other options since with mwd/web/scram/haml sort of setup drake is actually better.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:22:00 - [2] Originally by: Embarcadero You obviously never participated system defenses when gate is bubbled and enemy fleet is jumping in... Go get some real experience next time before you post anything so ignorant... YEAH! GO GET SOME REAL EXPERIENCE LIKE GO TO 0.0 WHERE MISTER FLEET COMMANDER TELLS YOU WHO TO SHOOT AT BEFORE YOU POST!
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:32:00 - [3] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 28/01/2009 20:23:58 Originally by: Absolom Hues [Better hope you never meet a HAM Drake 1v1 with Fulmination Rage missels... that explosive hole is much bigger than the drakes thermal hole you describe. Rage missiles? Actually after QR they kick ass fyi.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.29 08:55:00 - [4] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: DubanFP Drake: A lot of people fly it for the OMG super-tank it can fit. That's good but it suffers from so many drawbacks as a result in the end there's much better choices. It can't fit the standard MWD/scram/web combo without completely screwing over the tank and even fitting one scram puts you at a disadvantage even if its slightly reasonable. While I like your post in general and share your un-relenting hatred for af's, this comment is quite incorrect. Proof: [Drake, Lol copy 1 copy 1] Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile [empty high slot] <--Overheating offline mod Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 While I dislike using combat drones over ecm drones, this thing gets near 600dps and 81k ehp :o Use 1 LSE and 2 invus, gives better ehp plus more stuff to overload to make it even better. Drop the RCU for 3rd BCU, change WD into scrambler. Needs awu5 or grid implant but the change is well worth it. Otherwise PDU instead of 1 BCU if you dont have awu5/grid implant to get some slight tank improvement. Tested this against slaved trimarked hurricane and won. Than again I'm not entirely sure about said hurricane's competence, but still I made no attempts to move away or something, was just a straightforward damage exchange. Gets about 670 dps with my skills, not exactly 850 of a hurricane or 800 of harb so it's probably slightly inferior for gang work when not shot at, but combined with way better tank and better mobility - not to mention no need to rep yourself after every fight - it should come out notably better overall.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.29 14:57:00 - [5] Originally by: ry ry i wish my ****ing hurricane did 850 DPS :( Train some skills. :P
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Vrabac on 29/01/2009 15:04:46 Originally by: fkingfurious EDIT: Where the ** is this 800+ dps figure coming from anyway? With LVL 5 skills (just for a laugh) Hobgoblin II's (as if) 425 II's (for further fail) 3 x Gyro's (so no tank) and RF EMP (crap for killing Drakes with btw) it does 627DPS. I think someone is making up. I'm not "making ** up". Lvl 5 skills are something easily beaten with a) actually traning them to lvl 5 b) using hardwirings There is also such ammo as Hail M (very useful no matter what people say on forums) and 2 slots for launchers. Have a peek
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:37:00 - [7] Originally by: fkingfurious Originally by: Vrabac Edited by: Vrabac on 29/01/2009 15:04:46 Originally by: fkingfurious EDIT: Where the ** is this 800+ dps figure coming from anyway? With LVL 5 skills (just for a laugh) Hobgoblin II's (as if) 425 II's (for further fail) 3 x Gyro's (so no tank) and RF EMP (crap for killing Drakes with btw) it does 627DPS. I think someone is making up. I'm not "making up". Lvl 5 skills are something easily beaten with a) actually traning them to lvl 5 b) using hardwirings There is also such ammo as Hail M (very useful no matter what people say on forums) and 2 slots for launchers. Have a peek Ah yes, the totally ing stupid absolutely maximum possible damage with overloading and a 150 odd mills worth of implants but still pretty **ing awful setup. Yes you could fit your ship like that, but you would lose. And look very very silly. Google some.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.29 18:06:00 - [8] Originally by: achoura Oh there are afew ppl using that very cane setup, with slaves ofc. Usually once ship no 3 explodes the rest run, it's very real and very lethal. Actually I'm not using slaves on that one since it needs 5% grid implant in slot 6. Would need to drop down to 220s in that case I'm afraid. It's still very effective although certainly not the best ballanced mix. Some people I know that use it with slaves use mixed guns, something I really hate doing. Or use 220s, 2 eanms and 2 gyros with rof + dmg rigs getting slightly less dps but considerably more tank since 2nd eanm with slaves easily beats 1 eanm with trimarks. But yeah I COULD fit like that but I WOULD lose because I dont really know what I'm talking about and I also look very very silly unlike mr civire alt over there.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.01.30 21:06:00 - [9] Edited by: Vrabac on 30/01/2009 21:08:20 Originally by: John McHauler I went toe to toe with a HAM drake and Won... sooo what does that tell you? I did too, but was his problem not mine. Also went toe to toe with a RF EMP using dual neut hurri in a harb and won... sooo etc The main issue behind using neuts for me is the fact that most targets will die way before they kick in. Cap boosterless absos or similar cases aside, I prefer just doing more damage since that's the main idea behind such fit. Not to say each approach hasn't got its good and bad sides and no doubt neuts are useful in a number of ways, especially now with web nerf and amount of ABing scraming assault frigs running about.

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