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Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:11:00 - [1] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah There's a problem with the cops showing up if you board a ship, the check is only at undock/jump in, so he never gets any ships coming after him because he's using an alt to drop ships which he boards with his pod. No NPCs ever bother him, so the OP is right, the consequences to being -10 are easily avoided. CCP is aware of this and will hopefully fix it soon. what??? you dont know what your talking about. wise men keep quiet in these instances. Concord doesnt show until the criminal act is committed. the navvies show when u undock OR board a ship with bad sec pilots. and to the OP:hahahahahahahahhahahaah
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:33:00 - [2] btw> I know how this works, I know how long it takes to get into position and get the bombs off AFTER your "lagged" ass didnt Ewarp into systme like everyone does when its busy. your "lagged" ship was in system for a good 60 secs b4 de cloaking - and his hit time at best would be a few minutes after that..... admit it. you went afk and now have to buy some new toys
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Funk solitude High sec ganking someone, avoiding all penalties, and repeating again and again = not balanced that's my opinion. he risked 10m for a 50/50 30m loot drop.. seemed balanced to me
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.29 11:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Funk solitude Originally by: Hairy Sue pssst target does not deny he was lying about being active pssst i know as i war watching his ship pssst stay at the keyboard pilots ... you dont get blown up :) This has no bearing on the question asked in the OP, it is an attempt to nitpick the post to try and muddy the waters, for the record I was trying to jump out of jita, I was lagging badly at a gate so I went to the toilet when I came back I had stopped lagging and was in my pod, I never lied, I never said I wasn't afk. wether a pilot was afk or not means nothing, it is only a self justification from people that don't deserve to be in that part of new eden. To me the real problem with this scenario is not ppl afk momentarily at a gate. It is someone who has -10 security rating in high sec in a (combat) ship, killing people with no aggression flag. they should only be in these systems in a pod as they have voided their rights to be able to operate ships in high sec. This is intrinsic to the way the game is played: 0.0, low-sec and high-sec are there to keep people of differing security statuses from each other, if this wasn't the case no new players would ever play this game. these factors don't mean that a player shouldn't be able to unlawfully kill another player's ship or pod (suicide ganking), It does mean tho that you have to earn the right to be lawfully in high-sec in a ship, before you can unlawfully kill another player. So I hope soon CCP make changes to keep the outlaws from operating in high sec, and leave the suicide ganking to the people who deserve to be there. SO! you warped to Zero on theg ate and THEN went afk due to "lag" - he obvisuoly wasnt lagging, and bumped your ship off the gate and then (smartbombs cant fire within range of the gate) AND THEN killed you, podded you, stole your stuffs and lulled. LOL! He took the time to play the game and you took the time to take a dump. He then rolled a 50/50 drop chance and gambled 10m in the process - after putting the effort in. Personally i dont get outa the station for less than 150m But it seems balanced to me mate. my advice? Eat more prunes and cry less
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.29 17:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Funk solitude To be called a liar/noob and having a diminished brain is quite offensive, more so that non of them are true. The point I am trying to argue here is you are side stepping the sec status rules and their intended use, so stop flaming and get to the nitty gritty. we are at the nitty gritty - but how can we be expect to listen to you when you lie constantly fact of the matter is you went AFK and lost your stuff to a gank. Its harder to gank when -10 - ergo he's paying the price for being -10, hes dealing with the police who arent as ott as concord, if he wanted an easier gank he should rat. It shouldnt be impossible to gank and you agree. If you want to undock sit at the keyboard and dont AP to jita.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.29 23:37:00 - [6] Originally by: mishkof If a -10 flies to the gate from a safe spot after using an alt to cargo scan and is immediately attacked by the navy, and then attacked by concord after the aggresion but still gets the kill = balanced. Edit = insurance should be cancelled for concord kills. its like that. And if insurance stops being a game mechanic and begins to function like an insurance company I want to see it reomved for low sec, mission runners, 0.0 warfare zones
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.01.29 23:38:00 - [7] Originally by: hedfunk In a Geddon, anything over 20m is going to make you profit. ****s and giggles I tell thee! he'd be lucky to break even after loot drops, fits and thiefs..... 150m targets or I dont get outa bed
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.01 14:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Funk solitude Originally by: Bomberlocks More on topic, if someone ganks you, they won't be playing in an expensive ship, which will make them much easier to kill, wouldn't it? If they do gank you, you could get your revenge, I think. Track them down. If they're doing it every half an hour, you should have a good opportunity to kill him just as often, because he would be doing what all the rTtards in this topic have been accusing the OP of being: lazy. If he gets upset and gets an expensive ship to kill you with, go away for a while and let him get frustrated. Then come back and kill him again when he switches to cheaper ships and ganking again. I have no idea if this is workable in practice, as I'm just a n00b myself, but it sounds easier than trying to post on the forum. He will be in a pod in a deep safe spot somewhere, the odds of locking onto a pod even with good scanning skills are very minimal, and to get him when he jumps into his ship, hehe well you'll have to beat concord, u'll definately beat the faction police tho they take over 1 minute 30 secs to finaly kill him. He is also in a NPC corp as they all would be, so war deccing is out of the question. I know i've tried all this cause I have his kill rights. You've tried nothing. your a a lazy whiner, thats why you lost your stuff while AFK. If you realy wanted to pod him, well hes flashy - so use a smart bomb if you probed is "deep" safe down. I do agree with you on the NPC corp thing tho - the war dec system is ineffective (corp hop and drop is all possible and legal), and the NPC corp system is borked (should be booted to a decable corp after 30 days or make wardecs to single people possible). But as the corp hopping war dec dodging bears hide in NPC corps and mine/mission all day without much risk then its balanaced that the pirates do it too. the NPC police will nuke his ship in under 90 secs too just for the record. We have been over this - its much more hassle to suicide gank while -10, and theres plenty of other hassels too boot.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.01 17:24:00 - [9] Edited by: Sorted on 01/02/2009 17:25:23 Originally by: Funk solitude Originally by: Sorted You've tried nothing. your a a lazy whiner, thats why you lost your stuff while AFK. pls mate, these personal attacks are wasting forum space Really? I thought it was an accurate discription. I should of added liar. as I have spoken to the ganker personaly, he has confirmed that you were indeed an arrival AFK (lazy afker) not someone he needed to bump off the gate. (lagged guy needing a dump) Originally by: Funk solitude Originally by: Sorted the NPC police will nuke his ship in under 90 secs too just for the record. I would think, that this player would like to have the gank done in 30secs otherwise concord will have him on toast if he goes any longer. At this stage the faction police "may" (35secs on sisi) have just have shown up and be locking him let alone shooting him. I would reckon this -10 has never had his ship nuked by the NPC Police, as he would already be dead from concord. This brings up the point I know the ganker has had his shipped nuked by the faction police - the reponce times you stated are inaccurate, spawn time is near instant. Concord reponcse is about 3 secs in jita. 14 secs in a 0.5 Summary: YOUR WRONG AGAIN, and still continue to speak on subjects you clearly have very little knowledge of. Originally by: Funk solitude Originally by: Sorted We have been over this - its much more hassle to suicide gank while -10, and theres plenty of other hassels too boot. Lol mate, you feel hard done by do ya. Ofcourse it should be harder for a -10 to suicide gank, I as a matter of fact think that it should be impossible for him to gank, as he's done his dash, by repeated criminal acts. Once he gets out and clears his name to the relevant NPC's (ratting etc) then he should be able to gank again. Current game mechanics are not balanced in my opinion. Your opinion is as worthless as mine mate - fact of the matter is its CCPs call - and they called it along time ago - hes already hamperd by being -10, ganks are tougher so is moving in empire. Stop whining you taking up valuable forum space
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.01 22:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Bomberlocks You really get off waving your epeen around and generally being offensive, don't you? Yes, oc, why else would I do it? Originally by: Bomberlocks Do you have RL issues or what exactly is your problem? I have many issues IRL, monataray, mentaly, socialy. But I still dont suffer fools gladly. The guy is a lying, whining, idiot. His entiliment to my civility went out the window with his OP. Originally by: Bomberlocks Is it so difficult to be civil in a post? Would it be such a problem for you to simply counter his arguments by stating your opinion instead of insulting him with every post you make? No of course not glue bag. I did counter his arguments - I also corrected his mis understanding of the mechanics of the "gank", "police" and "concord". I also made points to indicate the penalties suffered by a -10 ganker over a clean one, but he choses to have a selective reading dissorder and only responds to certain sections - completly ignoring many valid points - forcing the argument into an age old circular debate. Originally by: Bomberlocks The word "Whining" is really getting old. People are going to complain if they feel they have a problem. I know this comes as a shock to you, but it's a part of that thing we call life. Whining may be part of your life - but I generaly just get on with it, but feel free to sit in the corner and cry all you like.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.01 23:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Sorted Your opinion is as worthless as mine mate - fact of the matter is its CCPs call - and they called it along time ago Good thing then that CCP continues to reassess the mechanics and continually makes changes that modify or reverse old decisions. Old decisions, that were made under different circumstances. Again - thats you opinion. I persoanlly see the "dumming down" of EvE, the shirnking of the sandbox style game play, the overall "soft tones" and mainstream ideas to be a good money spinner for CCP but at the expense of EvEs integrity. But like we both say - its their game and they will do exactly what they like to it. Sony did the same thing, that went well didnt it... o wai...
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.02 15:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Funk solitude ----- Now you probably would know the current mechanics regarding -10's in hi-sec better than most (and me) I can get a pretty good idea of what the mechanics entail; and i found this, (ON SISI!) If the police are already where you want to board a ship well they take about 30 secs before they have you locked. if they aren't there, they could take from 0-30 secs to show up but the end result is they take 30 seconds to lock (if its 10 seconds to show then its 20 seconds to lock, if it's 30 seconds to show they lock on arrival). I am unsure of concord's response time but at a guess (wich i stated in my post --> (i would think)) he would have about thirty seconds, if it is quicker than this well my mistake, but it still doesn't detract from my point that he will be dead from concord long before the faction police start dispensing their justice. unless of course he starts in his safe spot where by the police will follow him, tho i still reckon that concord will pop him before the police will. ----- I will tell you ONE last time. your figures are wrong. Police responce is instant (so is the locking, frigs first, then BS's with points), concord is about 3 seconds. Bellum is bang on, the agility buff makes it possible to stab/istab the nutts off your ship and have a good chance of avoiding the police - but no where near every ship makes it to the target. The -10s are already suffering from being -10 ergo the system works. the end.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.02 15:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Funk solitude (I think the hi-seccers want some overlap taken away, as the privileges this other group (-10's) is being afforded, detracts from the integrity of the game) whats the diff when a clean sec guy suicides you? you still get the shaft and whine?
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.02 17:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Originally by: Sorted The -10s are already suffering from being -10 ergo the system works. Why are they suffering? They can still gank just fine, can still fly ships, can move around freely, dock on stations, etc... What did they lose, aside from flying ships through gates and perhaps mining in a belt? Mining, hauling, missioning. Its also much more of a pain to pull off a gank whle -10. you risk loosing the ship to police and other players, it takes longer to get into position (and your target then has more chance to become active), your limited on your styles (smartbombs only) which means no mission runner killing, no afk/active work on the trade pipes etc etc. You do get all the punch and pie at the party tho.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.02 19:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Funk solitude Where as you -10 gank alts don't get any of that for ganking me, you can do everything after, that you could do before, were is my justice goddamit couldnt you divert this whine into fixing the NPC corp immunity or War Dec impotence issues? (as is the intention when I use a -10 NPC alt to do what I can with a -10 Main! )
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.02 19:19:00 - [16] fact of the matter is DONT AFK.....
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.03 11:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind (Apart from getting your standing positive again, of course.) you nailed it. If it capped at -5 then there would be too many crying "WHAAAAAAAAAA its too easy to fix your sec, yu did the crime now do the time WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"!"!
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.04 15:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Funk solitude What we are discussing here is -10 outlaws abusing high sec ganking, without any cost or consequence. - No Cost to their wallet(or very negligible) or time (grinding to raise sec status) - No consequence to their sec status or their ability to "use" hi-sec. It is also important to remember that the faction police did KOS before the agility buff, wich indicates to me that ccp didn't want -10's to operate in hi-sec areas, but increased agilty has enabled -10s to avoid the spawn. We have discussed it, I have told you time and again what differences the -10 sec makes to highsec ganking, it does toughen it up and restricts the gank types availble, thereby lowering your target pool and increasing time spent look for a viable hit. being -10 has an effect, end of. All you want to hear is people saying "year your right funk, -10s shouldnt be allowed to undock/board ships in highsec" which is utter bollox imo. You dont want a discussion, havnent answerd or commented on any of the points we made about the restrictions you just want a bear-style-circle jerk for your OP.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Funk solitude And we have told you time and time again that your arguments don't hold water. THIS IS WRONG, WE WANT IT CHANGED. You have no other argument apart from this You have no other argument apart from this you see what i did there?
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:45:00 - [20] You went from an lagged out victim to a lazy afk whiner to someone that wants revenge but the current wardec and npc system doesnt allow it back to a lazy whiner. make your damned mind up You have no argument, and just want increased consequences, and like previous poster I am inclinded to agree that mission running doesnt get hard, neither does production or trade....... its already a different situation once you get below -5, you wont be happy until your whine gets a weapon/ship lock... WGHAAAHAHHAHAAHAHAA << caps makes me cool
Sorted Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2009.02.04 19:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Funk solitude there is grinding mechanics for negative sec players, it would be good to see them being used in this case. you grind for kills when limiting your target pool - only so many lazy idiots out there, you farm them too much and they take time to respawn....

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